>>137362111 I don't know if that is right or not, but either way, on average the first season is better than the second, because the second season is when Oreimo devolves into harem shit.
>>137362032 For me, it is Kirino. She is a million dollar character, and I kept watching the show just to see her. If I didn't like her, I would have dropped Oreimo so fast, especially because it was my first anime in years and my first weird anime. You know what I mean by weird? Like, there is the stuff we are familiar with here in the US, and then there's . . . other stuff that's, like, totally different from the "safe" anime they showed us here.
>>137370899 The second half is better than the first half in the LNs, but the first season is better than the second for a couple reasons.
The most important reason is the anime staff's lack of awareness of what all the development was leading to, which caused emphasis to be misplaced. In some circumstances important scenes were completely removed. By the end the anime is so far off the intended path that they basically force it to become a harem so the story has some sort of structure. Then the specials come along and they realize they're no where near where they need to be. They hit the viewer with a truck of missed development and all the characters seem wrong.
They also completely fucked the pacing of the second season by making the first three episodes nonsensical filler. In an already drama-dense half of the series, wasting time on anime-only shit that basically only serves to reintroduce the characters set the whole season off. They had to cut actually entertaining scenes as well as developmental scenes to fit all the volume climaxes in.
Another issue is the anime actively forces the "WHO WILL WIN?" shit as a selling point as if it wasn't decided from the fucking title. In order to sustain this they had to cut Kyousuke's internal monologue which otherwise betrays the suspense. Wouldn't you know it, Kyousuke's internal monologue makes up 70% of the substance in Oreimo.
>>137371286 >The second season then loses anything and everything that differentiates it from more bullshit incest wish fulfillment. Now harem is a legitimate complaint, but saying season 2 is defined by incest is genuinely fucking retarded. Was it Ayase or Ruri that fractured your asshole so violently?
>>137371348 Neither. The core of the story was Kirino and Kyoske's stressed relationship as siblings and flipping around a season of development in that direction if fucking stupid and schizophrenic. "Who wins" doesn't matter when I no longer feel like I know the characters.
>>137362032 You are in fact degenerate trash. You liked it because you could fantasize about having a cute little sister that you could fuck. Your ideal world is one where girls like you and your 2D little sister won't object to you sticking your penis inside of he and creating a diseased branch on your family tree. You idealize and romanticize otaku culture because you know nothing else.
I couldn't finish it. I got to the episode where I was getting lectured for being annoyed that she was a marry sue. She had created a story that got turned into an anime and the board of directors or whatever didn't want to give her full control of the series or whatever.
I'm already supposed to like this stupid bitch, and she was a bitch mind you. She was some sort of super popular model and had friends and money and a stupid brother who covered for her and shit. And she was now an expert prodigy writer/author person.
And then the show had the gall to call me out for not liking their Sue. Well, fuck you show! I wouldn't take that shit from someone in real life let alone a cartoon. I binned that shit. I'll take Tomoko any day.
>>137376627 You have to complement it with the LN sadly, the anime butcher Kirino character, especially the part you mention in your previous post. http://desustorage.org/a/thread/137306297/#137312102 TLDR: Kirino is not a Mary Sue.
>>137375926 You are in fact degenerate trash. You liked it because you could fantasize about having a cute little sister that you could fuck. Your ideal world is one where girls like you and your 2D little sister won't object to you sticking your penis inside of he and creating a diseased branch on your family tree. You idealize and romanticize otaku culture because you know nothing else.
The pastebin response is better but too spoilery for someone who hasn't made it past the first season, in short:
>Part of the author's intention was to write Kirino as an unlikeable character at first, and then slowly make her more empathetic and likeable as the series goes on. This is also the case for Kyousuke in the LNs, who at the beginning of the series is rude and cynical, and genuinely doesn't care about Kirino. Part of the reason Kyousuke and Kirino are such a good match is that they're both shitty, flawed people who need each other's company and support in order to live their lives. Over the course of the series, as they reconcile and learn more about each other, they become better people, and both admit they've been terrible siblings to each other (hey, that's the premise of the series!).
The anime just does an overall shitty job and just makes her look spoiled and completely at fault. I think it's totally fair to duck out early if you don't think it's getting better, but in the LN her progression is more gradual and starts early. For example, this is volume 2 of 12.
>>137377106 I'll have to check out the light novel then, thanks for the heads up!
>>137376837 Since you've read the LN I can't really argue with anything you say, but from the first half of the first season the animators portray her as a person who lives the ideal, perfect life (with that dark secret!)
It is a big deal to accomplish any of the things she did, and any individual thing she did could have been an entire crux of a season. Not every pretty girl is a model, not every super uber jock is also really smart, stuff like that. It overshadowed other characters and it just wasn't needed. A cast of characters, in my opinion, should complement each other and that just wasn't happening in that first half of the season.
If she was going to be super athletic and a model, why couldn't the brother at least be smart? Or have some memorable characteristic whatsoever? Shit, he could have been a bigger Otoku nerd than what she was and at least get some amount of respect that way.
But, this wouldn't be the first time an adaptation failed to get a character's portrayal just right. And a lot of the implications I got from the show could have been just a pacing issue (if every other episode is about some new area in life she excels at and everyone else sucks at compared to her, it looks like a sue. If in the novels these events are spaced out more widely, it would look more like what you implicate in your post I would think.)
>>137377518 A huge part of the LN that was left out of the anime is that every part of Oreimo shared with us is told through Kyousuke's perspective. The storytelling is all subject to Kyousuke's biases and nuances and don't necessarily represent the truth. The story develops in a way where we the reader learn as Kyousuke better understands himself and the people around him.
The reason why this is so destructive in the anime is because Kyousuke's mental impression of Kirino was directly adapted as a factual description of her character. At first he thinks she's perfect and without fault, so the anime portrays her as perfect and without fault. In the LN we take his word for it, and then realize just as he does that his impressions of Kirino are wrong.
>A cast of characters, in my opinion, should complement each other and that just wasn't happening in that first half of the season. Kirino and Kyousuke compliment each other in an amazing way, but as with anything good it takes some time to develop.
season 1 was cringeworthy as fuck. It was so hard to finish it. Kirino was a huge bitch, i just dont understand why someone would like her. There was only one good episode (episode 6), but the rest of the show was horrible. 2/10, never touching another oreimo related thing again...
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