Remember when shojo manga could have love stories with middle school age and younger, particularly the magical girl shojo? It always felt like an easy and simple way to get a romance fix.
Now these days it feels like only shojo manga set in high school or later can have romance. If they're younger, it's a taboo subject to cover or only has a little bit of teasing.
Pic related. Also, who remembers Kodocha? I sure do
JYUU-KU JI NO NEWSU
It's been over ten years since I first watched it and Sana's still my favorite female character man
Yeah that's okay but that also goes into what I'm saying about how only like older teen characters can have romance in their shojo manga these days
Like I was thinking about how Tutu the other day and how great the romances in that were done despite them looking like they were in middle school or something
Then I thought about Kodocha and thus made this thread
That's mostly just a trend shift. Same shit happens with other mediums and demographics.
It's not taboo if they're both underage and it's a pure relationship. Which generally it always was (like Gakuen Alice, Fruit Basket, etc).
The little girl anime these days pretty much solely became /u/ and friendship pandering.
I remember the other day I saw a few episodes of Tokyo Mew Mew and was surprised because it was an idol anime but there were like actual other boys in it and shit
admittedly, certain aspects of the romance in that show kinda sucked
This. Magical girl shows slowly stopped being for young girls and became for otaku, meaning the male love interest could be dropped for yuri.
For the best. The male love interest is for males to self-insert into and is always bland and boring, and you can't go wrong with pure love.
I hear ya op.
Can't remember when I last found good romance in manga. I really liked the old shoujos with romance between younger teens or kids even, keeping it pure from the usual sex, peeping and perversion.
Nothing wrong with that, just that sometimes I'd like romance with focus on the feelings and relationship.
You mean Kodomo no Omocha.
And I recall that whoever was releasing this on DVD fucked it up badly. So we got only a partial release.
Just like how Animeigo didn't bring us all of Yawara.
Tons of shoujo still do that though. That's pretty much the entire demographic still, is romance.
If you want good romance though most the time Seinen does it right. Though a lot lead to sex so I guess you'd want to stay with shoujo where it's 50-50 if they'll go in the sex direction.
>For the best. The male love interest is for males to self-insert into and is always bland and boring, and you can't go wrong with pure love.
Not always. As a male I usually end up self-inserting into the girl, especially when the main guy is a dark, mysterious and troubled dude who is several heads taller than the girl. I feel like I really become the little girl during those moments. This even happens when I find the female MC very sexy and attractive (e.g. Yona, Amu).
>The male love interest is for males to self-insert into and is always bland and boring
Only when it's poorly written
The works of Junichi Sato are much clearer evidence otherwise
Thing is that the standard shoujo is mired in tropes and delusions about romance so it does nothing for me. Much like shounenshit is to the regular eleven schoolgirl I imagine.
Seinen in contrast usually goes too real and even if I enjoy that too, it doesn't give me the same fix that 90s shoujo did.
I miss the feels from reading kodocha, kare kano, fruits basket and the like.
>and that super cute mango about little witches that were like 10.
Shit that's the name!
That one had surprisingly good content.
What did you like about 90s shoujo romance? I liked a few of the bigger titles but aside from that most the art was god awful (a lot still is, don't get me wrong) and the romance felt pretty much the same except with a few that had younger romances.
Even then, it was almost always
>Light haired boy
>Dark haired boy
>One is nice/pushover, the other is badboy lonewolf prince
>Badboy almost always wins
Every damn time.
Well those are the tropes and I mostly liked the shoujo that didn't have them or at least made something new with it.
Can't remember them all but I read and likes a lot of them mainly kare kano that I still think is the best one. Sugar2 rune was localized so that one was nice to read in my native language.
>hana yori dango
>they where 11
Love roma isn't shoujo. It was good though.
If you liked that you'd like other seinen romance. Same goes with todays shoujo, you just have to pick and choose.
You had to do the same thing back then. Tons of shit series.
As will always be for any medium ever.
Anyone read parfait tic?
I remember it having all the usual clichés but still being good. Also the artwork was gorgeous!
Wait, what the hell? I don't remember that from the anime.
I know Sana had a weirdly mature view of sex what with calling Rei her pimp, and Hayama kept feeling up her flat chest, but I didn't expect them to try having sex. I need details.
Really mahou shojo took the biggest hit. There used to be classics and now it's pretty much dead in manga form and only Precure is the only one for little girls and that's definitely tuned down the romance
for the better
I think the last one was Shugo Chara, now that's a manga I really miss
I'm a slow reader and it was enough of a bitch finding subs for kodocha. It's a good thing I speak Japanese because 1/3 of the episodes were an incomprehensible mess. Had to ignore the subs.
Worth noting that lots of long running romances will have couples in the lower age range eventually, just to hit all the bases. It's just that high school is the most popular setting nowadays so most things are set there.
It's not like the ages of the characters are really relevant in a shoujo, anyway. It's all the same shit. Just like how in a shounen there's basically no difference between a 12 year old and an 18 year old, especially a battle manga.
The biggest difference was how they were treated by other people outside their age range. Other than that, they still had all the same tropes. Bad boy/nice guy/cute MC who wants love etc.
Yeah right. And how many het "romances" ever had a canon het ending?
Only the gender of the romantic interest changed. The storyline and character developments remained the same.
>Most of them do
I don't remember any kiss happening in Ouran, Chunibyou, Nozaki-kun, and Hyouka. Not even haremshit dares to have a kiss.
We have outright rape and NTR in magical lesbian bears though.
Its not taboo when its based on popular western fairy tales. Japan adopted this weird mindset from the occupation that nudity and pedophilia is pure evil. But if it was done by anyone before the 1800s, its 'art'.
I miss Ahiru.
She's waiting for you anon. All you gotta do is
rewatch the show
>implying that didn't have a shitty ending
"FUCK YOU BOYFRIEND EVEN THOUGH THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN EACH OTHER IN YEARS I'M GOING TO BLOW YOU OFF TO GO DO MY TALK SHOW BECAUSE MY LISTENERS COME FIRST, BEFORE YOU!!!"