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Remember when shojo manga could have love stories with middle school age and younger, particularly the magical girl shojo? It always felt like an easy and simple way to get a romance fix.

Now these days it feels like only shojo manga set in high school or later can have romance. If they're younger, it's a taboo subject to cover or only has a little bit of teasing.

Pic related. Also, who remembers Kodocha? I sure do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erh6DUUXsjA
JYUU-KU JI NO NEWSU
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>>137328634
Modern shoujo is mostly sucky, but there's some goodies like Akatsuki no Yona.
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It's been over ten years since I first watched it and Sana's still my favorite female character man
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>>137328952
Yeah that's okay but that also goes into what I'm saying about how only like older teen characters can have romance in their shojo manga these days

Like I was thinking about how Tutu the other day and how great the romances in that were done despite them looking like they were in middle school or something

Then I thought about Kodocha and thus made this thread
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That's mostly just a trend shift. Same shit happens with other mediums and demographics.
It's not taboo if they're both underage and it's a pure relationship. Which generally it always was (like Gakuen Alice, Fruit Basket, etc).
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>>137329225
Princess Tutu was daring enough to have zoophilia too.
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didn't they actually try to have sex in kodocha's manga?
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>>137329482
>That's mostly just a trend shift
It may be a trend shift but I don't like it! Harumph!
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The little girl anime these days pretty much solely became /u/ and friendship pandering.

I remember the other day I saw a few episodes of Tokyo Mew Mew and was surprised because it was an idol anime but there were like actual other boys in it and shit admittedly, certain aspects of the romance in that show kinda sucked
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>>137329662
>idol
*magical girl
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I think you'll like 12-sai, OP.
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>>137329662
This. Magical girl shows slowly stopped being for young girls and became for otaku, meaning the male love interest could be dropped for yuri.

For the best. The male love interest is for males to self-insert into and is always bland and boring, and you can't go wrong with pure love.
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>>137328634
I hear ya op.
Can't remember when I last found good romance in manga. I really liked the old shoujos with romance between younger teens or kids even, keeping it pure from the usual sex, peeping and perversion.
Nothing wrong with that, just that sometimes I'd like romance with focus on the feelings and relationship.
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>>137329811
But most the time the "yuri" is just implied and we get no real development.
So it's pretty much shit if you want any kind of actual romantic development.
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>>137328634
>Kodocha
You mean Kodomo no Omocha.
And I recall that whoever was releasing this on DVD fucked it up badly. So we got only a partial release.
Just like how Animeigo didn't bring us all of Yawara.
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>>137329812
Tons of shoujo still do that though. That's pretty much the entire demographic still, is romance.
If you want good romance though most the time Seinen does it right. Though a lot lead to sex so I guess you'd want to stay with shoujo where it's 50-50 if they'll go in the sex direction.
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>>137328634
You need to lurk more, OP.
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>>137329811
>For the best. The male love interest is for males to self-insert into and is always bland and boring, and you can't go wrong with pure love.
Not always. As a male I usually end up self-inserting into the girl, especially when the main guy is a dark, mysterious and troubled dude who is several heads taller than the girl. I feel like I really become the little girl during those moments. This even happens when I find the female MC very sexy and attractive (e.g. Yona, Amu).
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>>137330006
That guy's point is retarded anyways. /u/fags these days call any male character a self-insert.
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>>137329811
>The male love interest is for males to self-insert into and is always bland and boring
Only when it's poorly written

The works of Junichi Sato are much clearer evidence otherwise
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>>137330006
You sound like a faggot.
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>>137329971
Thing is that the standard shoujo is mired in tropes and delusions about romance so it does nothing for me. Much like shounenshit is to the regular eleven schoolgirl I imagine.
Seinen in contrast usually goes too real and even if I enjoy that too, it doesn't give me the same fix that 90s shoujo did.

I miss the feels from reading kodocha, kare kano, fruits basket and the like.
>and that super cute mango about little witches that were like 10.
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>>137330242
>and that super cute mango about little witches that were like 10.
Sugar Sugar Rune?
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>>137330242
Sugar Sugar Rune?
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>>137330309
Shit that's the name!
That one had surprisingly good content.
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>>137330242
What did you like about 90s shoujo romance? I liked a few of the bigger titles but aside from that most the art was god awful (a lot still is, don't get me wrong) and the romance felt pretty much the same except with a few that had younger romances.

Even then, it was almost always
>Light haired boy
>Dark haired boy
>One is nice/pushover, the other is badboy lonewolf prince
>Badboy almost always wins

Every damn time.
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>>137330408
Not that guy but to me it felt like those older shojo romances had really likable characters. Not all of them of course but compared to now
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>>137329807
I just googled this. How comes the OVAs were never translated and the manga is nowhere to be found?
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>>137330408
Well those are the tropes and I mostly liked the shoujo that didn't have them or at least made something new with it.
Can't remember them all but I read and likes a lot of them mainly kare kano that I still think is the best one. Sugar2 rune was localized so that one was nice to read in my native language.
>fruits basket
>hana yori dango
>w juliet
>kodocha
>love roma
>ashiteruze baby
>they where 11
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>>137330669
>hana yori dango
Hold on a second. This is shit.

This is like the Love Hina of shojo. Way too overrated for its genre and influenced shojo too much in a negative way
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>>137330006
>especially when the main guy is a dark, mysterious and troubled dude
Do you particularly like the taste of penis?
I bet you enjoyed Twilight.
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>>137330669
Love roma isn't shoujo. It was good though.
If you liked that you'd like other seinen romance. Same goes with todays shoujo, you just have to pick and choose.
You had to do the same thing back then. Tons of shit series.

As will always be for any medium ever.
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>>137330752
To be fair, it wasn't entirely the author's fault. She was pressured into making major changes because of reader and editor shit taste in men.
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>>137328634
Kodocha had that scene where the two MCs run away together and try to give sex a shot before they realize they have no idea what they're doing though.
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Anyone read parfait tic?
I remember it having all the usual clich├ęs but still being good. Also the artwork was gorgeous!
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>>137330752
HYD is not that bad. Far from perfect, yes, and way too long, but it gets a lot of bad publicity and a lot of it is undeserved, in my opinion.
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>>137329592
>>137330988
Wait, what the hell? I don't remember that from the anime.

I know Sana had a weirdly mature view of sex what with calling Rei her pimp, and Hayama kept feeling up her flat chest, but I didn't expect them to try having sex. I need details.
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>>137331803
>Not going to the source fore every anime you watch and enjoy
whats wrong with you
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Really mahou shojo took the biggest hit. There used to be classics and now it's pretty much dead in manga form and only Precure is the only one for little girls and that's definitely tuned down the romance for the better

I think the last one was Shugo Chara, now that's a manga I really miss
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>>137331847
I'm a slow reader and it was enough of a bitch finding subs for kodocha. It's a good thing I speak Japanese because 1/3 of the episodes were an incomprehensible mess. Had to ignore the subs.
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>>137332013
Pleiades was good. Not for little girls though
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>>137332116
Second part of my post was to include "Now mahou shojo is only for the otaku audience which loses some of the general innocence" somehow that got left out.
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>>137329482
Worth noting that lots of long running romances will have couples in the lower age range eventually, just to hit all the bases. It's just that high school is the most popular setting nowadays so most things are set there.
It's not like the ages of the characters are really relevant in a shoujo, anyway. It's all the same shit. Just like how in a shounen there's basically no difference between a 12 year old and an 18 year old, especially a battle manga.
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>>137332615
Exactly.
The biggest difference was how they were treated by other people outside their age range. Other than that, they still had all the same tropes. Bad boy/nice guy/cute MC who wants love etc.
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>>137328634
>Remember when shojo manga could have love stories with middle school age and younger

I don't. ;_;
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Is it true there's hetshit in Aikatsu now?
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>>137330005
Name?
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>>137329871
Yeah right. And how many het "romances" ever had a canon het ending?
Only the gender of the romantic interest changed. The storyline and character developments remained the same.
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>>137330810

Go back to facebook or 9fag.
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>>137333110
Most of them do. The fuck are you talking about
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>>137334072
>Most of them do
lel
I don't remember any kiss happening in Ouran, Chunibyou, Nozaki-kun, and Hyouka. Not even haremshit dares to have a kiss.

We have outright rape and NTR in magical lesbian bears though.
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>>137334418
>Chuunibyou

There was a kiss, between Mori Summer and Mjolnir Hammer. The only kiss and it was between two girls, who had more chemistry than the main couple.
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>>137328634
shit that OP makes me want to watch the show

they don't make 'em like that any more
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>>137328634
If you're posting the first op then I have to post the banjo flavoured ULTRA RELAX op 2
http://youtu.be/8Ez0zrDxwkY
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>>137334418
Oh I guess because some don't the majority dont.

God damn you're stupid. There are way less canon yuri shit than het shit stuff.
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>>137329490

Its not taboo when its based on popular western fairy tales. Japan adopted this weird mindset from the occupation that nudity and pedophilia is pure evil. But if it was done by anyone before the 1800s, its 'art'.
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>>137337428

She's waiting for you anon. All you gotta do is rewatch the show
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>>137337488

Ahiru's clumsy dancing is more beautiful than Rue's perfect dancing. Junichi Sato is a master at making you like the most awkward character in the show.
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>>137328634
>dat first episode tho
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I've been trying to remember kodocha for 3 years. I read it as a young impressionable teen
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>>137328634
>implying that didn't have a shitty ending
"FUCK YOU BOYFRIEND EVEN THOUGH THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN EACH OTHER IN YEARS I'M GOING TO BLOW YOU OFF TO GO DO MY TALK SHOW BECAUSE MY LISTENERS COME FIRST, BEFORE YOU!!!"
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>>137338537

I never got to the ending. Watched the first 30 episodes of the anime and loved it. Then it kind of tapered out. Didn't want to watch another 60 episodes that went nowhere.
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>>137338537
wasnt the girl planning on killing herself though?
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>>137329957
Not OP, yeah, it's Kodomo no Omocha, but it's also called "Kodocha" for short and it has been like that for years.

Same like "Furuba" for Fruits Basket and other examples.
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>>137328634
What about those boy who became a tomboy trap because he wants to persuade his twin sister?
I remember it was pretty good shoujo.
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>>137328634
Shojo is degenerate and stupid.
That's why we shouldn't give women's right.
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>>137330005
Holy fuck thanks for posting this. I had no idea there was a sequel.
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