>>137313403 a company that can actually distribute their product? the only thing yen press got going for them is the translation which isn't really that impressive. So any other company that can do digital versions and higher quality physical versions (another thing yen press can't do properly)
We're getting the final volume of Spice and Wolf in April. They started in April 2009. I think they're in this for the long haul, which is good. People who can't wait seven years for a story to complete need to learn patience.
But I do wish they'd announce licenses sooner. Like, the-anime-aired-last-season sooner and not two years later like with Oregairu or five years like with Durarara.
I'm more worried about pic related. They have the Shieldbro license, aren't owned by a larger publishing group, and put out weird fucking releases with exactly 25 lines per page that I receive a month ahead of the Amazon release date.
>>137315060 >People who can't wait seven years for a story to complete need to learn patience. They used more time translating/releasing it than the author spent on writing and releasing it himself. Despite always being plenty behind. If they hadn't changed their schedule from twice a year to three times a year some years back then we wouldn't have the last volume until 3 years from now, even THEY realized eventually that they were too fucking slow.
>>137315115 Spice and Wolf Japanese releases, taken from Wikipedia: 2006/2/10 2006/6/10 2006/10/10 2007/2/10 2007/8/10 2007/12/10 2008/2/10 2008/5/10 2008/9/10 2009/2/10 2009/5/10 2009/8/10 2009/11/10 2010/2/10 2010/9/10 2011/2/10 2011/7/10
In terms of gaps in months, that's 4, 4, 4, 6, 4, 2, 3, 4, 5, 3, 3, 3, 3, 7, 5, and 5 months. That comes to a median of 4 months and an average of a little less. While they were slow at first, Yen Press is now, at regular triennial releases, on par.
>should fucking licence Hakomari instead of generic fantasy fap bait garbage like overlord
So they can sell a few hundred copies to an unproven market?
Overlord anime created enormous interest for the LNs (that is why the anime was made in the first place and it worked. Sales literally tripled during the broadcast season). It already has a proven market in the west.
>>137312634 I find it hilarious those fucks who read machine translations get mad at them licencing shit. Gives me good humour but talking about them strictly i don't really like any of the series they pick up
>>137312634 They're good for series that were never going to have fast and/or halfway decent translations in the first place, though releases are still stupidly slow and questionable translations pop up every now and then.
Yen Press localizations are practically death sentences for the rare projects that are done well, though.
I wish they worked faster, they already make use of translations available on the internet, and even when they don't their translations are pretty much the same quality.
They license already hyped stuff so if they make fans wait 7 fucking years like they did with S&W just to get to the point of the story that already has translations available on the internet, they failed as a publishing company and they will simply lose sales.
>>137316637 Everyone gets mad at them, not just MTL readers, the reason being that whenever they pick up something, they take years to reach the point where fan translations are. They also end up fucking everyone outside America.
>>137317279 They buy the license to publish in the Unied States. People from all over the world are reading the fan translations. When they're licensed in the US, the fan translaters just quit. For readers outside the US, it simply takes away all access to the books.
>>137317279 >From what I've seen they release some series 3 or 4 times a year which is alright I guess. That's pretty slow for 200 page books that already have decent translations on the internet. And some series aren't even lucky enough to get those many releases.
>What do you mean they fuck over people outside US? They don't release their novels outside of the US, so people who rely on fan translations get fucked when they're DMCA'd I have to import LNs using Amazon now thanks to them, and I'm not the only one.
>series gets anime >anime gets slightly popular >yen press gets rights near the end of the anime or months after it finishes airing >first volume comes out the next year, in some cases longer >6-8 months between new volumes
>>137317421 Why would they rely on fan translations though? Also releasing volumes at a very fast rate would be a bad idea from a business perspective. >>137317404 >>137317421 >>137317456 Ehh but if I was to buy a LN now and I ain't even from the US i can just get one literally the next day from amazon, or is it just places like brazil or some shit?
Why don't fan translators use those shitty blog sites then?
>>137317942 >Why would they rely on fan translations though? Because that's what everyone relies on when something isn't officially translated or released in your country, unless you know moon.
>Also releasing volumes at a very fast rate would be a bad idea from a business perspective. It really depends. If it's series that has translations already, they're going to lose sales the more they take to release a volume, because people would have time to read the translations available on the internet, and only the most faithful fans would still buy the book.s If it's a new series without/few translations, it's better to release in a slower way. It doesn't mean it won't piss off the fans though.
>but if I was to buy a LN now and I ain't even from the US i can just get one literally the next day from amazon As I said, people from other countries have to import from Amazon, but it's a pain in the ass, because you have to pay extra for shipping, taxes and wait for the shipping to arrive.
Nevermind, I misunderstood this line: >Why would they rely on fan translations though?
Thinking you were asking about people outside the US.
The reason why YP would rely in fan translations is because their work isn't any better than a good fan translation, and in fact back then they actually used the fan translation of Haruhi to make their books (they hired the translator IIRC). I think they have used others too, but I'm not sure.
>Why don't fan translators use those shitty blog sites then? They still get DMCA'd I think, Sky got DMCA'd about Gifting even when it was hosted on his blog and not BT.
>>137319097 They're not released every 3-4 months just because that's how long it takes to write them. They're released at that pace because it maximizes sales. Releasing translations as fast as they can be edited would be completely retarded.
>>137318835 >Wouldn't they have professional translators hired though? So I'd assume they'd ignore it in most cases. As I said, they have actually paid for fan translations already (with Haruhi). They could probably do it again with actual good translations like Sky's.
>Don't most people who read books prefer it to have it psychically though? Obviously, but when they have read the PDF version already, most people don't want to spend their money on a book they already read.
>In all honesty they probably cater to those who only saw the anime a while ago anyways and not those who've been reading the LN fan translations already. Those two fanbases overlap a lot, most successful adaptations also have a huge LN fanbase behind them.
>You should just make an amazon prime account for free and get day 1 shipping. And pay even more money? No thanks, I'm fine waiting.
Anyway, I was just trying to explain how are the people outside the US fucked by them, not trying to say they're bad, I did say in my post that my biggest complaint is their speed.
>>137319097 >When you need the same amount of time to translate a book as it takes to write it, you're doing something wrong.
There could be more to it than that. The biggest fear for a small publisher is saturating a niche market. Over-producing is costlier than under-selling and it has led to other publishers going under in the past. This is because the publishing industry actually pays bookstores to return the unsold books at a huge cost.
Bookstores have limited shelf space and they know the consumers (especially young adults) do not have unlimited purchasing power.
The publishers also want to spread out their new releases so that they are not competing against their own titles. By spreading things out they have opportunities to slip in new titles and at the same time gives book stores more time to thin out their shelves.
It isn't just LNs that do this. All publishers try to spread out their releases a much as possible. That is just how the North American market works.
>>137319983 Maybe so, but LNs in the west are generally a secondary market to anime. The best selling series are the ones that have popular anime working for them, and by intentionally slowing the release schedule you're letting the interest in the series dissipate. What's even worse is that the first volumes will be a reiteration of what the fans have already seen in the anime, so that there's the risk of fans not wanting to read the same thing that they've seen, and spending years to catch up with the adaptation's material (like 3-4 years they'll need to reach the end of Index S2).
It's even more problematic when the novels were already fan translated, since many potential consumers have already caught up with Japan and they're not interested in waiting even longer for the official novels to reach that point. This problem could be avoided if the translations were significantly better than the fanmade ones, but usually the editing and QC are bad enough to make these people quit after the first volume.
>>137324327 >>137324366 very good. before it came out people were ready to bash it into the ground, but then once it came out, nobody did. also, the first print flew off shelves, and i'm pretty sure the second is too, so we'll probably get more of the series
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