Give me ONE reason to like the violent, generic tsundere other than "she looks cute".
If you like the tsundere best you're retarded in 90% of the cases.
They just make for the cheapest drama due to their misunderstandy nature which is just a pain in the ass to watch, not to forget they are almost all exactly the same personality wise.
Shitty mary sue plot devices
I think this for tsundere in general. Kirino is just prime shitpost material.
There isn't any. There are virtually no redeeming factors about them 90% of the time. Even if they do become more dere later on, other girls are usually still better.
>Kirino is just prime shitpost material.
Man, she sure is.
Meh, Kirino best girl and a good tsundere. Why the hell are there so many threads with her as the OP lately? Like at least half a dozen this week, stop shitposting with her.
Don't bombard me with legit points like that anon, it's too much.
Struggling with her feelings is cute.
Overpossessiveness is cute.
Girls with bite to them are more interesting than just plain deredere - you probably bitch all the time about how no one would like an MC just because he's kind, so I hope you'd understand this.
And because only idiots take comedic violence as a serious offence. Did you want Dokuro-chan to get arrested or something? And no, putting quotes around "comedy" doesn't make it not comedic violence.
>Girls with bite to them are more interesting than just plain deredere - you probably bitch all the time about how no one would like an MC just because he's kind, so I hope you'd understand this.
You should have a reason for liking someone beyond them being nice, but being a violent bitch is a reason to dislike someone, a reason they shouldn't win.
It can't be gap moe if the inherent traits that define that personality type are like that. For it to be gap moe it needs distinctly different than what's to be expected or is inherent.
Agreed. That's why I personally can't enjoy any tsunderes or tsuntsuns. I'm just not a fan of abuse in romance. Even if "it's not what she's really like/wants to do/how she shows her love".
Yeah, it never made sense to me that people would only like an archetype if they stopped being that archetype later on. That's not liking the tsundere, that's liking the dere and putting up with the tsun because you want to sound more reasonable and compromising when you tell people your opinion.
If you don't want Louise to violate you then you are GAY
The archetype is the process that involves development. There's an obvious appeal in the progression of a relationship and that's what tsunderes capture.
There's also appeal in a girl being lively/opinionated/confident which usually accompanies tsunderes. In contrast, outright dere characters are generally complacent and easygoing, which is boring to some.
The only setting in which I think tsundere makes sense is one where the girl was broken in a way (like asuka) and where every other person might be a potential threat to her.
basically, a post-apocalyptic world where the tsundere love interest was raped prior to meeting the MC.
That's one of the main things the anime fucked up, it cut most of her dere scenes and development, that's why it seems like she doesn't progress at all and just suddenly acts all tsun again.
Eri is the only tsundere I like and the only one who isn't a generic tsundere. I mean Harima is basically the reason she act this way: he lecture her about love, then he confess to her, then the best scene ever,...
>mfw it occurs to me that I act tsundere around people I like.
The tsun part is supposed to be a flaw in my opinion. Not a strong character point.
It's supposed to be a flaw that a character gradually grows out of.
If they fail to do so... I would not give you anyway reason to like that character. Unless they are the villain I guess.
Which may be the case with Kirino perhaps... and we didn't know it.
But here... have a mildly violent tsundere done right.
The pastebin answers most of the usual questions, it would take a lot of time to explain everything anew every single time.
tl;dr It is worth it and Kirino had minor and major dere scenes cut in pretty much every volume
Submissive guys like Tsun girls I suppose