>Feitan vs Kurapika >2 Chapters of squiggly doodle nonsense and narrator text box dumps where not much happens >Kurapika says "now when I fight the Ryodan, I become FIVE HUNDRED PERCENT more powerful. But only in this 1 fight" >Kurapika goes Super Siayan and kills feitan >/a/ praises the intelligent and complex battle as it waits 2 years for the next chapter
>>137177404 Yeah I really disliked the whole idea of Kurapika getting to be a specialist sometimes AND having increased power against Ryodan. But because of his hatsu, he's basically only stupid strong against those specific characters, and he's probably about average against everyone else (I'm assuming).
>>137176809 >>137177800 >>137177934 You are all literally retarded. Don't forget that Feitan knows about both Chain Jail and Judgement Chain (which Kurapika probably can't even use an a target not in zetsu, but I digress). Getting Feitan in Chain Jail in a straight up fight is going to be hell for Pika. Fetain will know to use Gyo already going into the fight rendering Pika's In useless. Pika couldn't even chain up Uvo without using In, so the odds of him chaining up Feitan are very low given that he's probably the most fast an agile Troupe member we've seen save for perhaps Chrollo himself. Feitan doesn't even need to use Rising Sun to beat Pika with the info he has on him.
Kurapika would murder him. He was clearly powerful in the York Shin arc, stronger than current Gon and Killua overall. A Big Bang Impact shits all over Gon's puny rock shit and it only broke his arm a little. Imagine how strong he's gotten since then.
>>137178255 > A Big Bang Impact shits all over Gon's puny rock shit and it only broke his arm a little
Read the manga dumbass. The reason it only broke his arm was because Kurapika was gearing to dodge it before it hit and he limited the damage. Uvo said that had he tried blocking it straight on, his spine would have broken.
>>137177800 I think all his hatsus have something to do with him taking damage. He did mention that if the bitch had damaged him more, she would have died quicker. Rather ambiguous if he was referring to Rising Sun's power or the rest he has.
>>137176634 This chinese achondroplasiac doesn't seem all that strong. He's fast, and that's all that he has going for him. I think Kurapika can work around that.
>>137177604 >sometimes More like, at will. Kurapika can self-induce his Crimson Eyes state.
And I think his strength lies in being smart more than anything. Kurapika isn't like Gon or Killua, in that he can just come out and face his opponent. He's gotta think ahead. Plus, he's headed to the DC, which supposedly has threats above anything that was faced in the CA arc. And we still have yet to discover what his index finger chain does.
>>137178306 And Kurapika couldn't even beat Uvo without chaining him up. Pika simply doesn't have what it takes to handle Feitan or any of the stronger members of the Troupe without the use of Chain Jail.
>>137178538 > Zazan isn't even the strongest squad leader Literally only one squad leader was stated to be definitively physically stronger, and Zazan is still the fastest one save for Cheetu. She's the most balanced and effective fighter out of all of the squad leaders if you look at feats, and this is not even including her transformation. > Nice headcanon Not headcanon if the feats speak for themselves anon. Give me one squad leader with better physical feats than transformed Zazan.
>>137178255 >stronger than current Gon and Killua overrall I like would like to think so too, but this is conjecture. I don't doubt he has gotten stronger, but being stronger than Killua right now is kind of a stretch. If I'd have to guess, I'd say Killua is currently the strongest of the main 4, with Kurapika next, followed by Leorio and Gon, respectively. >A Big Bang Impact shits all over Gon's puny rock shit Uvo didn't hit him as hard as he could, he was holding back because he wanted to have fun. Plus, Gon's jajanken was very strong by the time they invaded the palace.
>>137176809 >>137177404 I just fucking hate the concept that "it becomes more powerful because you can only use it on X". Okay, then every organization should have suicide nen users who just nuke everything because of their "conditions"
>>137178898 >every organization should have suicide nen users who just nuke everything because of their "conditions" Training suicide users for several years just to beat specific rivals is a waste of time and effort.
>>137178757 How does it contradict what I say? He's the only one with these kind of boosts, get it? Against other Nen users he has undeniable advantages. Especially considering that he has chains he can use against anyone like Judgment Chain, retard.
>>137178863 Here's the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NksByFsmxfU
There is no squad leader that can move as fast as Zazan aside from Cheetu, and Cheetu's physical feats are still garbage compared to Zazan's considering that Knuckle said his punches weren't shit. Literally the only other squad leader of merit was Leol and he never did shit without the ability that he stole from someone else. Once again, name ONE squad leader that was shown to be a better physical fighter than Zazan. You fucking can't.
>>137178984 You're overstating the significance of these boosts, probably because you don't even understand them. At most Emperor Time gives Kurapika enough of a boost to be on par with people naturally in other categories, but it doesn't do that shit automatically. Kurapika doesn't just activate Emperor Time and become a master enhancer or some shit. Kurapika still has to train just like everyone else and if he hasn't trained in anything then Emperor Time won't change much.
>>137176809 >>137178250 If Kurapika uses the chains on him, now that Feitan knows about it, can't he just say "hey, by the way, I'm not part of the Spider anymore" and watch as Kurapika is killed by his shit to the heart?
>>137179089 He beat Uvogin because of his In hidden chains. Uvo was perfectly fine dodging the chains he could see and Kurapika only had an advantage after he chained Uvogin up. Feitan knows about Chain Jail. He'll go into the fight with Gyo and never give Pika the opportunity to hide his chains. Feitan is more agile than Uvo, so if Uvo could dodge the chains he could see then Feitan sure as hell can.
>>137179081 >Kurapika doesn't just activate Emperor Time and become a master enhancer Where did I say that he does? This is simple, Kurapika is a Conjurer and Specialist, he can use Conjuration at 100%, with Emperor Time boosting his Enhancement his defensive capabilities are statistically much higher compared to any other Nen user who is not an Enhancer. Get it?
>>137179096 Feitan was involved in murdering his clan. He was a spider then, and he's still a spider now. He can never take that back, nor can he just say "hey i'm not a ryodan member anymore" so he's instantly exempt from Kurapika's chains. That's fucking retarded.
>>137179212 >as long as Kurapika doesn't genuinely believe it, it won't mean shit You are retarded. It won't work, Feitan right now is the leader of the band. He can't not be part of them unless he decides to leave. If he says he's not part just for fun, regardless of Kurapika's mind it won't do anything.
>>137179311 You really think focusing some nen on his eyes will render him helpless on the rest of his body. Gyo doesn't take up that much nen and it's possible to delegate just a little nen to one area while still keeping the majority of nen elsewhere. It's called Ryu, m'boy. Go back to nen 201.
>>137178898 If you put too many conditions on an ability it becomes literally unusable. IE "I can only use it on a rainy night, once per year, if I haven't eaten yet and only if my opponent is missing a tooth"
On the other hand, putting half-assed conditions won't power up the ability at all. This is why Kurapika's condition (and Gon's) are so powerful, "if I do this I'll die". The mayority of Nen users should aim for conditions that are in the middle term, so that you can use them against pretty much everyone but still having restrictions. The Bomber is a good example, fucking powerful ability but you have to explain it before using it.
>>137179256 That MIGHT work if Kurapika was a literal retard. Unfortunately for him he's quite rational and therefore won't just buy that everyone he gets told is in the Troupe is actually in the Troupe even if he pretends to believe it. You can't fool yourself that easily.
>>137179520 Ryu is Gyo. Ryu is real time usage of Gyo. It's like how a rectangle is a square. Also what do you mean does Feitan even know Ryu? Even fucking Genthru knew Ryu. It's pretty much necessary for any real nen combat.
>>137179239 Then why even bring up Emperor Time in the first place? Feitan is a trasmuter and as such he's got much highest proficiency in enhancement of any non enhancement class; equal with emitters. Feitan does not have run of the mill enhancement skills, and ET Pika doesn't have feats that would make him an enhancement god in comparison either.
>>137179614 Yes. He knows Ko which is the final progression of Gyo training. You can't learn Ko without knowing Ryu, and you can't learn Ryu without learning Gyo. That's the way it works. Also considering that he knows Shu as well it's ridiculous to assume he wouldn't know something as basic as Ryu.
>>137179579 >touch opponent while saying bomber >explain ability (typical shounen "let's talk mid-fight") >countdown starts >either escape or keep him at bay with Little Flower It's similar to Knucle's, they both have to stall for time and Genthru's is a sure kill.
In a fair fight, he can probably beat all of them. It sucks to admit it, but Kurapica is pretty strong and gets even stronger fighting Spiders.
In a handicap where Kurapica doesnt know his opponent's ability but the opponent knows his ability, then I can see Phinx, Feitan, maybe Franklin and MAYBE MAYBE Machii pulling out wins. Rest of them dont have the raw power to fight him. Auto Mode is pointless since we dont know how strong it actually is.
>>137179839 Feitan is fast enough to tag most people in HxH anyway. He doesnt need Pain Packer
>>137179914 Ryu is basic if you want to be a capable nen fighter. Again, even the Bomber knew Ryu and he was woefully average in the broad scheme of things. Considering that Gon and Killua both learned Ryu on Greed Island and were still just barely mid tier during the beginning of the CA arc, it can't be that advanced. What's truly advanced is nen loudness/softening, but that's a completely different thing entirely.
>>137179306 Yes and no. Chain Jail would work, it would put Meruem in a state of zetsu. But that's about it really. Meruem is physically strong enough to break Kurapika's enhanced chains, and resilient enough to withstand Judgment Chain.
>>137179772 >Easy Mode Shizuku Kalluto Korotopi >Normal Mode Shalnark Franklin Bonolenov Machi >Hard Nobunaga >Very Hard Phinx Feitan
>>137180255 >Ryu is basic if you want to be a capable nen fighter Again, it's an advanced level technique, not basic. Gon knew Ko before even knowing Ryu's existance, and Ko isn't exaxtly entry-level.
>even the Bomber knew Ryu and he was woefully average in the broad scheme of things Genthru canonically rivals Kite and Morel, so no, he is absolutely not average. In fact, Morel can one shot squad leaders effortlessly while Feitan struggles with them so Genthru might be even better than Feitan.
>>137180471 > Genthru canonically rivals Kite and Morel My sides > In fact, Morel can one shot squad leaders effortlessly Literally when? Morel beat both Cheetu and Leol with wit with no actual fisticuffs whatsoever. It wasn't even that hard in Cheetu's case because he's a complete dumbass.
>>137180728 Only fuel to the fire considering that Gon has not gotten close to beating Knuckle even once in a serious match. He's got more raw power than Knuckle, but that's it. The chart also puts Zepile in Zushi's tier as well, which is almost as ridiculous as putting Komugi in Zushi's tier.
>>137180773 Are you seriously trying to tell me that you think that Zushi is on the same tier as a BLIND girl? The feats simply don't add up anon. Either the data's wrong or the manga is wrong; take your pick.
>>137180655 Yes, we haven't seen his ability yet. But you keep saying "his circle." And I know what you mean, but I am going to correct you.
When Gon and Killua where locked up, he said that if they came within the range of his sword, he'd cut them done. And when he looked for them he started using En, which is "his circle." Nobunaga merely sets up his En in such a way that it covers the area where he can attack with his sword quickly. Kurapika doesn't need to get up close to defeat him.
>>137180852 Did you even read the chart? Zushi's numbers make him stronger than Komugi in combat, but Komugi is way more talented in her specialty. That's why she's above him. That's what happens when you read the rank but not the stats.
>>137180296 Every discount Kortopi as non-combat type due to a lack of physical strength but what if we are wrong? This thing took part in Requiem, has a crazy-big aura and, most importantly, confronted Phinx and Feitan without a doubt when they tried to stop Paku.
>>137180956 I am reading the ranks though. Zushi and Komugi both have 1's in skill, strength, and talent, despite the fact that Wing said that Zushi was a prodigy in his own right. The chart literally states that Zushi is as physically strong as Komugi despite the fact that he was one shotting guys 3x his size during Heaven's Arena The only stat that Zushi is higher in than Komugi is nen amount.
The comparison with Zepile is even worse though because Zushi beats him in literally nothing despite the fact that Zepile hasn't trained in nen a day in his life.
>>137181078 With only a stat range of 1-5, 1 in strength could easily encompass a wide variety of strength levels. Think of it, for example, as human-tier. Zushi is peak-human strength and Komigi is below average human strength, but they both are within the limitations of a normal human's strength, so they both get tier 1 strength. If we were to be more specific Komugi would probably be 0.X and Zushi 1, but the system only allows natural numbers.
>>137178321 >More like, at will. Kurapika can self-induce his Crimson Eyes state. dont matter, its basically a 1 trick phony, he was bed ridden for days after using the eyes for 1 night. and his jail chain still works only on the ryodan, he can kill 1 at best and then the rest will kill him unless he pulls a kill and run...
>>137181248 That would mean that the gaps between these numbers are ludicrously high given how big the difference between even a novice nen user and an average human being is. If what you're saying is true then why did Morel even bother fighting Cheetu and Leol. He should have just fucking one-shotted them and moved on. These numbers are so broad that it makes the chart hard to use for anything, since we can only guess as to which decimal place each person lies within their own tier.
>>137178321 >This chinese achondroplasiac doesn't seem all that strong. He's fast, and that's all that he has going for him. I think Kurapika can work around that. Ryodan member are selected too for their skills outside of combat Pakunoda, Feitan and Shalnak were the information gathering team
Shalnak are a hunter/ hacker/ wise man etc Pakunoda mind read nen Feitan torture (and is implied he can get intel out of corpses) and add Kalua to this
the front liners (guys only good for fight) were Uvoh, nobu, Phynx and maybe franklyn
Machi can patch em up.
Kurtopi and Shizuku are for steal, transportation of good, cleanse, etc
>>137181444 Maybe the scale is logarithmic. There could be a huge difference between 1 and 2 but not much between 4 and 5. Who knows? We can only work around what Togashi gave us. Sadly, anything else, is ultimately our headcanon.
>>137179866 >In a fair fight, he can probably beat all of them. It sucks to admit it, but Kurapica is pretty strong and gets even stronger fighting Spiders. uvoh only got under jail chain cause he was too distracted to Gyo to counter EN.
>>137181520 This vagueness is what makes the chart unreliable. Sure it shows data, but if we don't even have a proper scale or method of understanding said data, then it's practically worthless. It could mean whatever you want it to mean because what it says is almost entirely in the eyes of the beholder. In story feats and power scaling hold more reliability than that chart for this very reason.
>>137181345 >he was bed ridden for days after using the eyes for 1 night. But that's wrong. Him getting sick was due to a combination of things: Excessive use of emperor time, the pressure of not making any mistakes with his mission and nen restrictions, the stress of having his only friends kidnapped and potentially killed because he fucked up with the plan, trying to come up with a way to rescue them unharmed, etc. This all happened within the course of like, 3 days too.
>>137181710 The fact that you don't understand the author's thought processes doesn't mean the ranking is wrong or unreliable. Your own speculation will never outrank the author's word on his own series, that's the cold hard truth. The chart might not be reliable enough for specific match ups, because it doesn't factor in the nature of each character's abilities, but for overall power levels it's the current canon go-to reference.
>>137181921 But what does overall power levels even mean if it's THIS unreliable. How can we ever tell that the difference between a 3 and a 4 is like the difference between a 3.9 and a 4.1 as opposed to a 3.1 and a 4.9? How can we ever tell. It's not good enough even for general power levels.
>>137176634 >arguing power levels and who can beat who in fucking Hunter x Hunter It's down to situation, which basically means it's down to how Togashi and the plot say it should go. Arguing about a "straight fight" is retarded.
What I never could understand is why Chrollo didn't try to kill Kurapika without use of Nen when he took off the chain jail? There were plenty of chances.
He is incredibly fast and experienced (remember his hit to Neon's neck that even a skilled assassin barely considered) so that shouldn't be too difficult. And both Leorio and Senritsu clearly couldn't be this much problem after all.
Wasn't that the entire point of Kalluto's monologue? Phantom Troupe members are like weird fucking third-world country geniuses and Kalluto isn't even sure if he can can catch up, plus even if he becomes as strong as Feitan during the Zazan fight. Feitan might have been training and went further than his power level against Zazan anyways
Kalluto was shocked even though Silva told the entire family that fighting a Phantom Troupe member would be one of the most difficult things they could ever do, (one of the only things the current head of the most powerful assassination family in HxH world has ever complained about having to kill)
>>137182771 Why Kalluto joined them at all? Who decided that? He himself? Kikyo? Silva (as payment for the killing of previous №8?) Illumi? (as payment for the helping to Hisoka or for any other reason).
Wasn't it an absolute danchou's prerogative to choose new members? When he managed to approve Kalluto? Was it before hostages situation or after? Or Ryoudan accept new member themselves?
Could Kalluto have come to Yorkshin specially to join Ryodan from the beginning?
My theory is that Kalluto loves Killua but resents him for disrespecting the family and Killua in turn neglects Kalluto because he sees him as a pawn. So Kalluto has joined the Phantom Troupe because he thinks it will force Killua to acknowledge and respect him. Or maybe he thinks if he joins the troupe he can gain the power to defeat Killua and force him into the ideal family life he dreams of.
Or maybe Kalluto is just joined the troupe because he wants power? Maybe he has a more direct and nefarious motive that is yet to be revealed. I just have to assume that most of the Zoldyck's are there to advance Killua's storyline in some way. The relationship between Killua and all of his other siblings is pretty well established at this point, except for Kalluto, who's somewhat of an enigma.
This is why I think Killua and Kalluto are on a collision course with each other and chances are the Phantom Troupe has something to do with that.
>>137183706 Yes, it is pretty obvious that Kalluto's personal motives are relevant to Killua somehow. What interests me is did he have a familly approvement or not and was he chosen by Chrollo or by other spiders.
>>137177404 >frogposters are literally this retarded I bet you only watched the anime and missed the fact that emperor time doesn't actually make him much stronger, it just makes him stand a better chance against enhancers.
>>137187257 I see emperor time limits and that's why I can't understand how he managed so well against 100% masterful enchancer like Uvo. If he in emperor time mod showed fine level of enhancement vs, for example, emitter it would be understandably, but this?
>>137187486 Uvo was fucking around and he already fucked himself over by the time he started getting serious. Kurapika couldn't tank his hits once he fought at 100% and it's even said he would have gotten his spine crushed.
>>137178757 He has to train in it for it to be 100% When is it ever shown that Kurapika can't discipline himself to train?
>Training to 100% gives him 100% It'd be pretty impractical to train shit for no reason but there's still severe drawbacks for training in categories far from your own in Nen, almost every Nen user has to train their abilities to be good anyways
It's not hax but he objectively has more legit effective tools than most characters in the series as most could only train in one category to 100%, he could train in all of them and get 100% out of whatever he learns
>>137178615 Just for reference here, the ability gives him a 25% boost to the abilities closest to his natural, a 66% boost to the abilities beside those, and a 150% to the opposite one. This doesn't mean that his abilities become stronger than his natural, or even anyone else's natural for that matter, it just means that he doesn't have to worry about his other categories of attack being way weaker. This is along with the fact that he needs to learn an actual ability in one of those categories to make any use of his ability.
I mean, he has a pretty good shot, actually. Feitan is a slow starter. The fact that he fucks around and builds up to "fucking apocalypse" mode would see him getting snared, at which point he would be screwed.
He's fast of course, although I suspect Kurapika has also gotten faster during his time away from the "party".
That's the only thing that would save him.
I think generally, Kurapika might get his ass beaten by some of the Spiders because they've thought about how Uvogin could have possibly lost, and aligned their strategies to counter what they know. Which is a fair amount because Lucifer escaped and having personally experienced the power, has probably supposed a lot about it that is correct.
Honestly if the guy doesn't get some kind of "rebate" or find some way to refocus with great difficulty he really cut himself off at the knees by specializing on them in particular, even if he does kill them all eventually.
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