Why are japanese voice actors so fucking shit at speaking english?

>>137154716
Anime is for the japanese audience who mostly won't be able to spot the bad English.

>>137154716
From what I've heard Japanese are taught English with only the sounds used in Japanese. If they used actual correct pronounciation Japs wouldn't be able to understand them at all.

It's not their fault. They teach them the basics of english pronunciation wrong since school, pronouncing english words that end in consonant is too hard for them.

>>137154716
English includes several sounds that aren't part of the Japanese language. You would have great trouble as an adult if you had to read lines in some African click language for similar reasons.

>>137154716

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqb2Cee83no

Her English isn't even that bad

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>>137156689

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-AdVb1ijLk

Black Lagoon gets me every time

So how good is your Japanese, Mr. Hot Shit?

I don't see why for single line roles from "Americans" or other english speakers, they don't just find some gaijin and give them a couple bucks to do it.

It's one simple thing that ruins so much immersion.

>>137157368

Im not a voice actor, why would I know Japanese?
Why are you so mad?

>>137157368
Certainly better than yours.

>>137157612
How much Japanese do you think the average kids show voice actor knows, Mr. Deflection?

Sora No Woto had that german girl who actually spoke decently well german.

>>137157492
Why do they hire a seiyuu to go "wan wan wan!" or "nyan" instead of using live animal recordings?

>>137154716
how about you check these numbers?

>>137157757
多分それは無いと思うけど、あいつの日本語力がわからないと何も言えない。当然のことながら。

>>137157809

I don't think animal noises can have thick japanese accents.

Never heard a lion go "roaru"

>>137154716
>why are people who don't speak English bad at English

>>137154716

That stuff is so funny, I love it when the engrish shows up.

>>137154716
>b8 m8
You obviously didn't go to Japan if you think most of them can into english even a little bit.

And there's a reason for this : Their english classes are retard cancer /v level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKjaFG4YN6g

>>137154716
Kill yourself

>>137154716
>Why are japanese voice actors so fucking shit at speaking english?
Because katakana was a mistake.

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>>137157910
And a ching chong nip nong to you sir.

>>137154716
the way japanese phonetic works just doesn't mash well with english
it's incredibly hard for them to learn and pronounce and since they are so closed off as a culture the school curricula level isn't that high

>>137157910
>日本語力
Nice weeaboo japanese

>>137156792
Is it supposed to sound like someone who can't speak english is trying to fake a russian accent?

>>137158094
With native English spelling they'd still be using their native phonemes but also be struggling to make sense of the spelling. You only really learn pronunciation from hearing people actually using it. It's not like English speakers don't pronounce Japanese words the way Japanese people do, even when the spelling has all the information the kana spelling has.

>>137154716
>shit at speaking english
>I've been two Japan

>>137158414
>It's not like English speakers don't
That wasn't supposed to be a double negative

>>137158290
If that's the case it's not bad

>>137154716
>why isn't everything the way I want them to be boohoooo mom change my diapers boohooo

>>137157921

That's because they go "Gao" you uncultured swine!

English has a bunch of incorrectly pronounced Japanese words too, like KAIR-E-O-KI instead of KA-RA-O-KE.

You just happen to notice it more on the anime side because you know english 100%.

>>137158631
Don't forget YUH-KOO-ZUH

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>>137158830
>tfw I had a friend who kept correcting me by saying Madoka was pronounced MuhDOHka

tfw no dubs

>>137158631
You're comparing the mispronunciation of even basic English words to a word only used by drunk coworkers at happy hour. A lot of words from different languages get anglicized, and the same happens in reverse, but if you are trying to use English in the context of an English speaker, it should at least attempt correct pronunciation.

>>137159110
Why?

>>137158994
MEH-DO-KAH MEH-GOO-KAH

>>137157910
Did you google translate this? Its so shit.

>>137158830
It's that Yakuza or Youkosou?

>>137159152
Wye watt?

>>137158994
And how is it pronounced? I can't into English phonetics.

>>137159251
>if you are trying to use English in the context of an English speaker, it should at least attempt correct pronunciation.

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>this thread

>>137158994
I pronounced it this way before I watched it but you can clearly hear other characters addressing her as Mad-o-kah dozens of times throughout.

SAIBA! LANSA!

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>>137159334

>>137159255
It's pronounced まどか (ma-do-ka) with each syllable getting the exact same length, just like it is in Japanese. Even the English dub made sure to drill the actors with pronouncing the names as accurately as possible, a rare thing in dubs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laTRlKXrCXk

>>137159302
I'm specifically referring to long conversations. I don't mind single word or small word engrish when the characters obviously don't speak english. But if a spanish or french character spoke a broken version of their own language, it would bother me too.

>>137159202
Yakuza

Watching that episode of Archer was painful

>>137154716
The script they get have any 'english' lines written in a phonetic alphabet. Japan's phonetic alphabet isn't made to perfectly capture the nuanced pronunciation of foreign words like english, so the way an english word would be read in english, and the way it would be read in that alphabet are very very different.

So they're correctly pronouncing the word as it appears on the page, and that pronunciation is the one that would be most understandable and familiar to a japanese audience. The fact that the japanese spelling of an english word doesn't phoneticize the same as the english spelling means absolutely nothing to them, because they don't write in english. English-speakers aren't the target audience of animation produced in japan, in japanese, by japanese, for japanese-speaking japanese.

>>137159571
spotted the yakuza

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>tfw your native language has ~85% compatible pronounciation with nipspeak
It's honestly easier to speak than English.

If only I knew any grammar and had some actual vocabulary.

>>137159742
spic detected

>>137155216
>Japanese are taught English with only the sounds used in Japanese.

That is beyond fucking retarded.

>>137159465
Those voices - actually sound really good. Huh.

>>137157760
Enough to know not to speak it when doing voice overs

Why is it so hard for asians to pronounce L's?

>>137159776
No, I'm a mongol, it's even hinted in the goddamn picture.

>>137159814
Chinese and Korean both have "L" phonemes.

>>137159814
>asians

Not all asians are japs

>>137159814
English people can't pronounce the Japanese "r" either.

>>137159814
Why is it so hard for Anglos to pronounce ら?

>>137159968
Only retards that can't trill.

>>137159997
So... most americans?

>>137160057
All anglos pretty much.

can you really blame them for not speaking a foreign language 100% fluently?

>>137155065
It's about having pride in your profession. You should always strive for greatness instead of just doing the bare minimum.

>>137160133
No, just the professionals in speaking.

>>137158214
普通にある言葉なんだけど？英語力でググってこい

>>137159173
何一つ間違ってる部分を挙げないでそう言ってたら説得力ねえよバカです先輩

>>137160133
There's a big difference between 100% fluent and still needing subtitles for them trying to speak English.

I doubt anime seiyuu are even held up in such esteem that they would have language coaches. Yeah, they may be big to otaku, but to the rest of the society they are still just voice-acting in children's cartoons or toy commercials.

>>137160133

Did you even read the question? Its about the voice actors

>>137158433
I hear a lot more English speakers with close-to-native pronunciation of Japanese than the opposite. That's because English has most of the sounds in Japanese somewhere or another, and English speakers learn Japanese because they're weeaboo pigs and watching and listening to native speakers constantly.

>>137160254
I don't think you understand just how common hearing English is everywhere in the world.

>>137160254
An English speaker can gain close to native levels of pronunciation in Japanese after just a few hours of learning. Most nips will probably never be able to sound like a native English speaker

Thank god I'm not an Anglo and don't give a shit about that shit. They speak bad English? So do I, who cares?

>>137160341
They probably could if they were taught as kids. The education system failed them.

>>137157910
>using 多分 instead of たぶん to look more sophisticated

kys

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>>137160341
> An English speaker can gain close to native levels of pronunciation in Japanese after just a few hours of learning
That's what Anglos actually believe

>>137160382
Both looks like unintelligible moonrunes to me.

>>137160447
>he doesn't at least know Hiragana

You have no right to be on /a/.

>>137160441
this is what weeaboos actually believe

>>137160382
>kys
kiss?
I can't keep up with all this new teenage slang.

>>137160441
I remember watching one of these youtube videos about bizarre japanese TV shows. One of them there was a brazilian chick speaking in japanese. It looked alright, but they actually subbed what she was saying.

>>137160441
It's true though. You just have to figure out the r and a few other more subtle sounds, and listen to native speakers until you get the hang of the inflection. Japanese phonetics are incredibly simple, which is why they have so much trouble speaking any other language, they don't know how to make about half the sounds the human mouth can make.

>>137160382
>kys
>>>/out/

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>>137159814
Chinese/Koreans have Lee

Japanese are just tongue-twisted retards

>RURUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The latest episode of AssClass had really good english considering they got all of the L sounds down.

>>137159968

How is it pronounced?

In germany there's this running gag, that the typical asian person, can't pronounce the german r (er). Instead of saying for example “ruhe“ (silence) they pronounce it “luhe“. That's kinda odd because the german l is pronounced exactly like the english l (el) witch they can't seem to pronounce. Why is that?

>>137160637

Im pretty sure the american guy actually had an american voice actor. But the principals kid? Ye thats nippon english at its finest

>>137160441
A nip has to learn, from scratch, the following:
>an additional 7 vowel sounds
>an additional 8 consonant sounds that are completely unlike anything else in Japanese
>syllable-ending consonants and complex consonant clusters
>stress patterns
>intonation patterns that don't sound weird and forced as fuck

Meanwhile, an English speaker has to conquer
>5 vowel system that is just slight variations of what already exists in English
>consonants that are just slight variations from what already exists in English
>remembering not to apply stress patterns to everything
>...

>>137154716

>HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyyBAqxjUY

>>137160382
>文字をどう変換したのかという事に愚痴を言う
４ちゃんのキモい知ったかぶりおっさん以外にはありえないね。
心底　ど　う　で　も　い　い

What does an English speaker who speaks jap sound like to a jap?

engrish is a meme language anyway

>>137160830
like a weaboo

>>137159712
Saving this post for future reference

Domo fampai

>>137160830
probabry rike an engrish speaker speaking japanese

>>137155462

Pretty much this. There are a few sounds in Japanese that don't really exist in English either, most notably the difference between "tsu" and "su."

>>137155216
>>137155280
This. I work part time as nip highschools tour guide and most -if not all- of them can't differentiate words with similar phonetic structures in kana, eg:
Leaving and living, fast and first.
As a non-native english speaker who interacts regularly with highschoolers from dozens of other countries, I can say nips are the worst of the bunch when it comes to english.

The kana pronunciation is so retarded and yet I heard somewhere that nip government actually take pride on nip's english learning capabilities and students are improving.
Unless they burn the whole kana pronunciation thing and start learning properly like the rest of the world does, you won't see them getting better for the next few generations.

>>137160830
Like Simon from Durarara

>>137160680
I only heard those jokes as a kid about Chinese, not Asians in general. But I guess as kids every Asian language sounds Chinese.

But the Japanese have a sound that's somewhere between an L and an English R. It's nowhere near the German R. That is why there's often an argument about how to transcribe names into Latin characters, e.g. Holo vs Horo. If you've ever heard them say for example "sakura," it's actually closer to a short Russian R. I don't know the English word for it, but in German it's "gerolltes R."

>>137160508
Brazil actually has a large Japanese population so it might not be that weird in that context.

>>137160886
Yeah but hows the accent? Is it unintelligible, does it sound a little nice, is it extremely pronounced or not. All that sort of stuff.

>>137160890
>cats
>bats
>any word that ends with ts
A lot of Japanese sounds that seem unfamiliar are just hidden. The jap R is almost identical to the middle D in english, ie pudding and Eddy,

>>137160680
I'd say because the German r and the Japanese r are also different.

The English r is almost silent. There's a very slight difference between, say, robot and wobot, while the l is way harder.

The German r has a normal thrill.

The Japanese "r" on the other hand... it's somewhere in-between. It has a slight thrill, but a very weak one. It's noticeable compared to the silent English "r", but not so next to the hard German "r".

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Gomenasai, my name is Ken-Sama.

I’m a 27 year old American Otaku (Anime fan for you gaijins). I draw Anime and Manga on my tablet, and spend my days perfecting my art and playing superior Japanese games. (Disgaea, Final Fantasy, Persona series)

I train with my Katana every day, this superior weapon can cut clean through steel because it is folded over a thousand times, and is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth. I earned my sword license two years ago, and I have been getting better every day.

I speak Japanese fluently, both Kanji and the Osaka dialect, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Japanese history and their bushido code, which I follow 100%

When I get my Japanese visa, I am moving to Tokyo to attend a prestigious High School to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become an animator for Studio Ghibli or a game designer!

I own several kimonos, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to Japan, so I can fit in easier. I bow to my elders and seniors and speak Japanese as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

Wish me luck in Japan!

>>137161063
rip in piece etc etc

>>137161063
Did he ever make it?

Is there a particular reason why Spanish and Japanese share the same sounds (not all of course)?

What I mean is for example the "a" sound in Spanish is the same as the "a" sound in Japanese.

>>137161063

the game designer part always gets me

>>137160768
This. And as pointed out before in the thread >>137155462

there's a number of languages that would present a real problem for a native English speaker the way English does for native Japanese speakers.

>>137161108
Pure coincidence.

In spanish we call it a soft r, I guess that's essentially what it is.

>>137161108
ancient ayy lmaos

>>137161108
Jews.

>>137161095
He died in a tsunami

But his spirit lives on in us

>>137161108
Complete coincidence. Before you ask warashi and guarache are also a coincidence.

>>137161108
For some reason, Japanese maps to the Latin alphabet incredibly well.

Even their oddly pronounced "u", it has an equivalent in a Latin language: â in Romanian.

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>>137161144
>>137161233
I don't buy it, but I'll believe you because I have no way of proving otherwise.

Who knew learning weebsongs would be easier if I read the Romaji as if I was reading Spanish.

>>137161063
What the fuck is this bullshit?

saged for blogshit.

>>137161410
How... were you reading them until now?

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>>137161433

>>137161410
Is it really so unfeasible that two languages share a similar sounding phoneme?

>>137161615
Yes

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>>137161490
When I started getting into animu music I tried reading the lyrics with English sounds.

Took me a while to figure out reading them with Spanish sounds was easier.

Yes, I was an idiot, you can go ahead and call me that.

>>137161615
It's weird because neither language was influenced by the other unlike English and German.

>>137161696
It's just odd. If you knew Spanish, why not instinctually read them that way after hearing the spoken language? If you don't actually know Spanish, why Spanish? Why not, I don't know, Italian? Portuguese?

>>137161433
Good bait, I almost fell for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L7Qt7yMsqk

Why are English voice actors so shit at speaking Japanese?

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I bet OP can't even speak Japanese clearly while he laughs at others for struggling to speak English.

>>137161950
Jap is no Chinese, it's not that hard to speak.

>>137161886
>canada

>>137161950

Never stated I could so either, my job doesnt state that I need to. But a voice actor that acceps a voicing job where english is in the script, I thought they would practice it a lot more to make it sound good and not weird.

I wasnt aware that the sounds in the languages were so different, but now I do

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>>137161950
>lelouch

>>137160341
Wrong. I've never seen a english translator who doesn't sound like a retard trying to pronounce Japanese names.

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>>137160822
>４ちゃん
>not ４ｃｈ

>>137160138
They have low standards for Engrish

>>137162459
>he's never seen a raven cook pasta

>>137162132
>I thought they would practice it a lot more to make it sound good and not weird.
They probably think it's more important to focus on their acting over accurately pronouncing a language that 95% of the intended audience can't fully understand, let alone have any idea what proper English sounds like. They do not have an unlimited amount of time to practice, they've got shit to do.

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>>137162459
I've got photographic evidence that refutes that claim.

Honestly, I think that Japanese singing in english is pretty charming. However, I've to agree that it sounds pretty cringe when they try to speak english in actual conversations.

>>137162573
>he thinks penne is the same as spaghetti

>>137154716

Probably the same reason most English VAs are bad at speaking Japanese. That's just bias on your part that's affecting your judgement.

>>137160508
>>137161005
Can confirm. Brazilians and spics in general have a much less transparent accent than burgers and britcucks when trying to speak japanese.

It's not like Americans put any effort into speaking actual English either, and its their country's official language.

>>137162824
I'm pretty sure Mexican is their official language now.

>>137162922
hola senor

>>137162922
Not once we build a great wall to keep out the mong-, mexicans.

>>137162657
You're right, it's better.

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>watching Black Lagoon
>mfw the episodes in Japan when they sometimes randomly speak Engrish

Please make it stop.

>>137163285
>not watching Black Lagoon the way it's meant to be seen, in the author approved superior English Dub

>>137154716
Japanese doesn't care about english.
Japan's economy is mostly internal, so not many people have a need to learn proper english.

Anime voice actors are bottom of the barrel tier.

News at 11.

>>137162824
Americans don't have an official language

>>137163707
>mostly internal
Literally the 4th largest export nation in the world

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>>137163285
>Die Rückkehr des Adlers

>>137163781
They have a few companies that excel in exportations but by far the most amount of bussiness is directed to themselves.

>>137158631
>>137158830

WUHH-SAW-BEE
ARRR EE GOT TOE
also
>calling manga anime,
>calling anime manga,
>or mashing both of them together using only one of the terms.
"Gee, I sure love to read anime!"
If you've never been around that, consider yourself rucky.

Cringe.

>>137160941
It's k, your nip speak probably sounds terrible to them too

>>137154716
Voice actors necessarily bad at speaking english. Most likely, VAs are told to speak english with an heavy accent so the audience understands it more easily.

>>137154716
I'm so embarrassed. we nips can't even speak a human language. jokes aside, I want them to stop speaking English in shows.

>>137159786

You have to blame phonetics. Depending on how distantly related languages are, and how different its perceived units of speech are, just being able to understand "how a sound sounds" is extremely difficult. That's basically why so many people hear "thh" and have no clue how to recreate it.

>ctrl+f
>no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwIZLdclRws
One job.

>>137160215
In Charlotte when the redhead said something in engrish, I didn't even notice that it wasn't moonspeak until the MC commented on it. Had to back up the player and listen again to even tell that she was supposedly speaking English.

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>>137158105

>>137155216
>>137160941
>>137159786
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoneme

Japan doesn't care about EOPs.

>>137167879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSrs-ubY0jw#t=0m48s

>>137166675
Never understood why people struggle with "th" to be honest. It's pretty easy.

>>137161886
>she's voiced by a native speaker
>they had to pay a native nip to speak bad japanese
pretty kekworthy

>>137170663
That's not nearly as bad as her introductory scene. She asks some rando's for directions or something, and they laugh at her. It wasn't until the MC was like "she speaky english?!" that I realized she was, uh, speaking english.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs7AtqTE6n8

I couldn't tell he was speaking English when I first saw this.

Yuu Asakawa speaks good English and can easily talk with fans and whatnot
Sumipe can speak Russian and knows English and Chinese(?) (don't know how well she can speak it)
Nakata tries to speak decent English with fans and whatnot if you tweet to him

>>137154716
That's not how it works.

The Gaijins from AssClass were really good this week, even if this chapter was garbage.

>>137154716
they do it intentionally

>>137161016
> Cats
> Bats
I never knew about their phonetic similarities for つ. You sir have just done me a favour.

>>137173674
I wonder if they are aware of how bad they are