>tfw when a friend tries to recommend Helck to me.
Start of Chapter 57a
I don't think we'll get that. She wasn't
looking rightnear the end there.
Maybe, and Rafaed did let Helck go without much of a drama about him as well as explain that killing the King would doom humanity, but something feels off. Like she may be needed for something.
Or maybe she, like Rafaed and Miklos, had already been awakened (or something else that negates it) long ago.
Might explain why she was the first to notice Helck and Cless.
And she never leveled up because sheltered noble daughter.
From the beginning Rafaed has shown himself to be the apologetic villain type.
He's either going to be a reluctant traitor and help save humanity, or a reluctant enemy and try to kill helck, but he's going to have to roll in some direction when the time comes.
Can someone put "Thank you rello" on the banner?
Why there's so many best girls in this manga?
How many chapters do you guys think Helck should go on before it's over?
I can see it ending at around 100 chapters easily if we're already in the latter end of the middle of the story. I can't see it going over 150 chapters and still retaining its enormously high quality.
Where 60 chapters in and we haven't even begun to scratch the surface of what's going on. We will even know what's going on in the north at all.
I think the human arc won't last that long. And then the the North arc will probably be the important one after they free the humans
I think you're estimating this too lowly.
If it ends at 100 there's no way we'll see things like the northern border or the demon king or anything else, it'll literally turn into a race to the end. Remember that the last fifty chapters of any manga with fighting as a focus are spent nearly entirely on panels with no dialogue showing attacks.
If we expect the mangaka to show us all there is to be shown and do so at a leisurely pace then it could end with 200 chapters and not feel the slightest bit forced. Maybe even more if we take a few trips and see a few character arcs unrelated to the main story.
But at the lowest it needs to be 200 accounting for unexplored story points and the last fifty chapters of boss fighting and wrapping things up.
Someone asked how humans can have photos in a medieval kingdom. I think we just got our answer: all their technology is out of place.
Humans have out of place artifacts because their country is built around them without knowing it.
I wouldn't say we've barely scratched the surface of what's going on. We've already gotten hints as to the motivations of the King and his posse, and while there may be mysteries beyond their mysteries as to why they're acting in certain ways, I would say they're fairly entrenched in the puzzle that is the plot's narrative and going too far beyond them is asking for trouble, since besides the New World Organisms, there's not much more being foreshadowed to that degree. That said, however...
You all are right. I was focusing too much on the human arc of the equation without considering the mystery of what's going on in the North. Given that, I too agree that my estimation was too small and it probably will be around 200 chapters.
>people now asking if their friends are secretly rello
Thanks as always rello
Of course. And while all fantasy stories have an advanced ruined civilization, given all the Greek myth refs in this one complete with Greek orcs, all the underwater ones might tie into Atlantis.
I agree with the number 200, and I can tell a lot off people are going to start complaining once we catch up. Not that I mean that it's going to get bad but Helck as a manga moves pretty slowly.
>there are mangos in a box
>there are mangos among your socks
>there are mangos on a drum
>there are even mangos in your bum!
But realistically speaking what's way out of order for their technology at this current state?
People seriously think they can't have cameras? They were invented in the 1830s...
And we see that locomotive trains exist which was around the same time period, albeit earlier in the 1800s.
What makes photography stand out?
>People seriously think they can't have cameras? They were invented in the 1830s...
We've been aware of the mechanism behind photography for a very long time, with the earliest writings of the camera obscura dating around 470 to 390 BC. We just didn't harness it into anything automatic until the late 1820s. In a setting with magic, I would suspect that a camera obscura mechanism could be developed, though it'd be somewhat anachronistic.
Because it's a far more modern style compact camera that takes things in a flash. Also the train doesn't belong to the humans... it belongs to the people who can identify a water heater and tell it's out of place.
I think I like the King better as his own character we don't know shit about yet, although... It would leave room for Mikaros to step in as the "real" main antagonist, given he's been singled out as an especially big bastard throughout his appearances.
You take that back, Rafaed would never experiment on trusting children like a Catholic scoutmaster. He locked her away off from all civilization forever to do her a favor, not because it's the best way to protect a trump card.
I get the impression that the human king is a kind of totem that's been possessed by an Aku figure or something. It's hard to justify him being human nobility and having incomparably great magical strength at the same time.
I've been wondering what is the New World? Is it like a different planet that connected to this one or like the distinct difference between the human world and the demon world even though they're on the same planet.
Like maybe the new world in one piece. Or maybe how America was called the new world in the past.
This is a very interesting theory, because the fact that the human king's neck cascades into a bizarre cylinder and he has no visible arms has always stuck out like a sore thumb to me. An Aku/Shendu-esque entity possessing an inanimate figure would be very appropriate and would explain why Hero-Killer did absolutely nothing to him when it struck... Granted, chronologically speaking, his mask does get replaced, or at least repaired, so that's notable.
>It's hard to justify him being human nobility and having incomparably great magical strength at the same time.
As a bit of a gay /tg/ reference, my friends and I were actually joking about how he and Mikaros are basically D&D 3e full casters with all the broken bullshit that entails, while Helck is a Solar Exalted.
>"Oh, is your Will save more than +25? No? Literally kill yourselves, lesser beings."
>"Kill ourselves? As if we'd list- FFFFUUUU"
>"Looks like you took the wrong class levels, cunts."
And here I thought this game would be forever forgotten.
Helck remembers a lot of things.
Does anyone have a list of all the RPG references that Helck makes? Because it's, like... a lot. From the King reviving Heroes like in Dragon Quest to the names (and even plots) of certain characters. Maybe we should start drafting up a list?
Helck's backstory is pretty much a not-as-despairing-or-malicious take on Orstead's backstory from >>136327553
And in that game, Orstead is so wrought with despair from losing everything and being betrayed that he becomes a demon king spanning across multiple time periods as he tries to destroy the entire world. Which you, the player, can fulfill as an alternate bad ending by killing all the player characters yourself.
have rafaed and the king ever shown up at the same time
mikaros was there when everyone was trying to rescue cless, but i can't remember rafaed showing up at the same time, he seemed to be absent and only showed up before at the demon stoning and after as the snow fell
After two weeks of ignoring these threads, I finally decided to read this today. Took a few hours to catch up, but fuck am I glad I did. Helck had a hard life.
I wonder if an anime is foreseeable in the future, though honestly if there is best bet would be 2017. I doubt we'd be so lucky as to suddenly get this translated and love it right on the cusp of an anime announcement. But it seems possible, I hear its a pretty popular webmanga.
They're only the current antagonists, and part of a much larger problem that even the Demons are having problems with to the north.
Not all humans are evil, but they're going to have hell to pay before they even hope to get better.
Is there going to be some elder god/ancient technology madness going on in the background? There's the talk of seals releasing bad shit, the Atlantis-esque ruined civilization, the endless monsters and more.
I'm also really curious why the demon area is filled with poison yet self-contained and how compartmentalized each nation seems to be despite the levels of technology.
Humans are cocks, but it's probably because they've been infiltrated by a Lich or some shit who is fucking culture to kingdom come.
Hey guys, don't you think that at the end Helck will be able to revive his brother since he's allied with the demons and they might have extract some of Helcks unlimited healing and inject it to his bro and he'll be able to come back?
It just came to me when I saw he's poor body again..
What if the reason rafaeds daughter isn't turned is actually because cless
got her pregnant and the baby is already awokenIts possible because it has only been around 2 months since the happening occurred.
But what if the king is
Rafaed said that the snow could not be stopped by any material, it even went through Helck. So no one, included those in their houses, should be able to scape.
There are two options:
She was in a room designed to stop the snow by Mikaros.
She is a awaken human of some sort, there are is the Hero and King awakening, maybe there could be more
Orsted is one of several protagonists
and is the main antagonistin Live-A-Live. You are better off reading his story here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_A_Live#King_of_Demons
The author's definitely playing with the possibility, where Oersted also became
fueled by a pitch black power of hatred that could mutate him into a boss monster and keep him alive after his body gave out. That summary's a bit off on Alicia, though. She was manipulated and turned against Oersted, which is technically closer to what's happening in Helck. Kind of like how Uranus sacrificed himself so he could escape while attacked by humans. And it comes down to Oersted trying to rescue Alicia alone and being too late. And how Hash was a big, beefy, older, stronger hero who came to resent humanity.
It's chock full of homages but the events and characters aren't playing out the same.
Based rello delivers.
Also, what happens if Sharuami sees what happened to Cless, to humanity and what kind of things they are doing, Helck being hurt by her father and the human race?
>wonder if an anime is foreseeable in the future
I hope not, last time i loved a manga this much and it got an anime we got that abomination of an anime of Jitsu wa Watashi wa.
I honestly don't understand what his character is for. Is he an enemy? Is he just neutral and going with the flow? I mean the other dude is clearly a bad guy but I don't understand this particular guy.
Isn't it just that they're not that especially good? They just stand on look out. They're pretty much just dolls. They see something, they attack. Otherwise, their lack of ability to make their own judgements would mean they wouldn't check something suspicious out, like movement right outside of their line of vision.
I can see an adaption going both ways. It just needs to capture both the comedy, atmosphere, and tragedy correctly without skimping out on the animation budget. Or it can fuck all of them up.
We'll probably know more about him in the next couple of chapters. His daughter is bound to spill some of his juicy secrets.
He's that guy who's mysterious until you learn more.
He doesn't act like a villain so he could have an understandable motive or lack of choice. But he's used that seemingly not-evil appearance to manipulate children and betray friends. He's designed to go either way and catch you off guard. The mystery is there so you don't see it coming when it happens.
It seems that the author wanted to work in just one work, when Helck started she was still making new Acaria chapters, maybe when Helck ends the series will have more chapters
The action scenes could be a smidge less repetitive and have a more variety in attack patterns and expressions. They're not the highlight so I don't want them to go full shounen battle genre; just enough to be more interesting.
The artist is gaining levels, though, so that's a change happening as we speak.
I wonder, who's the one that made that barrier to protect his card castle?
Barrierguy needs more time to set one up, and it doesn't look like browngirl. Kenros is the second one (Helck first) to finish it afterwards, and apparently the only one who realised your castle could be toppled by others, but I don't think he has any powers besides his speed and his friendliness.
You can't just speak about it like that and not offer one or two examples.
The heros were said to be similar to the monsters in the north right?
then maybe hero killer was actually created by the demons to fight the monsters and one of them somehow I ended up in human hands..
If my theory is correct then the Empire has a lot of those hero klling weapons.
Then the humans are totally screwed in a real fight.
But this is just a theory.
>The artist is gaining levels
Looking at the first few chapters, they didn't convey motion as well as now. Most notably Kenros chasing Helck.
>more variety in attack patterns and expressions
On one hand I like how the fights are not too drawn out, on the other hand I want the action to be better.
>The heros were said to be similar to the monsters in the north right?
In strength only, otherwise not at all.
Hoping that he won't kill the awakened humans.
summons ridiculously powerful roots that completely immobilize them and pull deep underground so that they won't commit suicide or get killed, only to make sure that they'll experience a truly scary fate.
Seems like that's the kind of thing that would be reserved for Mikaeros and the professional killer/criminal. Maybe the young mage too, although probably not. Only Mikaeros and the criminal are actually "evil".
>I'm not sure, but people seem to think that it is going to end after the thing with the humans.
There's no way it'll end with humans. This whole awakening is a global scale crisis originated from an reemerging ancient clusterfuck.
>Helck isn't going to be that dark
It's like you haven't actually read Helck at all. Potential disturbing shits foreshadowed everywhere. ACTUAL disturbing shits happened everywhere.
Not my fault that guy didn't deliver when I asked, but what I was thinking of at the time was Maoyuu Maou Yuusha, which doesn't exactly fit the bill since humans are only one part of the sickness that infests the politics and economy of that world and it's not like they're doing wrong by choice. Another example I thought -might- fit, but was totally unsure about since I've never actually watched it, was GATE, although I've also heard a ton of bad shit about that series since it's basically Japanese conservative propaganda.
In a /v/ example, Undertale is a great game if you can get past the occasional example of Tumblr pandering (excluding Alphys, who is just an awful, gross character). None of the monsters in that game are really fuckable, though, and the humans are mostly out of the equation.
Otherwise, I was asking that Anon exactly so he could provide better examples than I had myself. I'm disappointed he didn't reply.
I just made a mistake, Anon. Chill out. It was a detail that didn't really affect the veracity of the view I was espousing as a whole anyway.
What happened was I read past what movements Cless made too quickly and didn't see exactly what happened the first time. I should have realized that the statement was erroneous, because Helck carries the sword's broken blade + hilt with him and the blade that stabbed the King still had its hilt. It's a shame, too, since I think that entire encounter is fucking awesome and it's one of my favorite scenes thus far.
Then the world might not be so fucked if the humans weren't so enamored with fucking the demons up rather than banding together to fight the ancient threat.
>if the humans weren't so enamored with fucking the demons up
It's implied everywhere the Empire is what is holding up the status quo. And not just in the obvious ways like containing the toxin and the monsters or being in the middle keeping the other forces of the continents from clashing and fucking everything up together.
And here we have Mikaros and Rafaed who want to fuck the status quo up and have been manipulating the people in the shadow for who know how long (Rafaed's family was already there when the kingdom formed).
We've had other characters, particularly Demons, have classes and levels. Asuta is a high level Spy, for instance. I recall earlier characters had their classes pointed out as well.
Ah, it´s true, but I was thinking about a awakened classes for humans, like hero and king. Any human can be a king, but not every king can awaken as one and achieve magic powers that exceed those of the demons.
Things like a awakened human priest or a magician, but maybe the king has all the support qualities in a single being and resurrection is only one of them.
They're demons, not elves. Look at Anne, she's cleary a demon.
We like it.
Personally I enjoy it's ability to mix the whimsical with serious moments.
>I know nothing about how languages or translation works. Please put me out of my misery.
The story is well executed. Getting more world building and a conflicting goal with well fleshed out characters.
Not the guy you're replying to, but there is nothing wrong with some liberties in translation. English is a pretty nuanced language, more than Japanese in some ways. What Commie does sometimes is fucking retarded, though.
Most scanlators are pretty fucking shit at English and consider proper sentence flow, vocabulary and the like to be an afterthought. Translatorfag dropped some good advice in a Monmusu thread a little while back.
It is a bit of a conundrum, isn't it?
"Ma" (魔) implies both magic as a whole (as in mahou, majutsu) and also "demons" (majin, mazoku, kyouma, youma, but only akuma has a strict "devil" connotation). Magic and "demons" are, in certain fashions, just as intertwined in Japanese culture as they are in the west, but in the west, "demon" tends to have the connotation of fallen angels who are extremely hostile to humanity by default. In Japan, no such direct assumption exists, although the aesthetic of a winged, horned, spade-tailed person is often used.
Just look at Chrono Trigger: Magus is called Maou (Demon King, obviously) in Japanese. The race he leads against humanity are Mazoku ("Magic Race"), which were translated as "Mystics" by Woolsey and "Fiends" in the newer translation, with Magus becoming "Fiendlord" (although he's also still called Magus due to nostalgia). The Mazoku are clearly not demons, exactly - they're just innately magical, so the "Mystics" translation actually fit.
Der Erlkönig, the Alder King, a poem by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, was translated as "Maou" in Japanese even though it's not a song about a demon or devil, but very clearly about an elf/faerie in the traditional folkloric sense: the sort of pointy-eared fuck that kidnaps children for kicks and will break your neck if you spill salt in front of him and forget to throw some over your shoulder.
So yeah, depending on the kanji, majin could be "magic people" or "magic god," and often designates a race more akin to the Fair Folk as the west understands it rather than outright fallen angel demons.
Of course, if you ask King James VI of Scotland, fairies and demons are essentially the same shit, both are satans and are not to be trusted. Christfags gonna christ.
I guess one could say that Helckamania is running wild on /a/?
I don't have the raws, so I can't check what word is used originally, but I find how in Mahoutsukai no Yome they use the word 'Neighbor' for faeries. Avoids using the confusing terms and uses something that calls back to Totoro still giving an eastern context, but better categorizing the sort of creature being dealt with.
The same could be said of every language, but yes.
By the same token, fairies as a particular entity have their own term: yousei (妖精). Further, mazoku/majin is still used for beings of a more demonic persuasion, most notably in Shin Megami Tensei, where -everything- from Angels to mythological Gods to the demons of the Ars Goetia are called "akuma" regardless of their persuasion, mostly because getting involved with any of these beings, even the benevolent ones, generally leads to unpleasant outcomes. MegaTen still categorizes demons into different species and races, however, with the "maou" (usually translated as Tyrant) race getting thrown into the mazoku (usually translated as Demonic) species.
It's all very interesting stuff to study. Japanese is a fun language because of all the fucking easy to read nerd shit absolutely flooded with katakana (IE: loanwords you already know the meaning of) everywhere.
And I hope we won't get such threads anymore.
Seriously, a Character X vs Saitama Thread is stupid. Especially since One said that Saitama is as powerful as the situation demands (aka: he can go infinite force if he has to).
If one should do a Character X vs Helck thread, then only with someone that doesn't kill everything with one punch no matter how OPPLSNERF tier bullshit it is.
It's pretty neat to study how various works are translated into Japanese and vice versa.
Japanese loanwords are interesting, since so many of the common ones are false friends. That's something a lot of scanlators get wrong, too.
Just curious; do you know Japanese or are you just interested in it?
If you do, would you be interested in scanlating something?
I love these exaggerated reactions.
Reminder that we still didn't see how sturdy Piuy is.
Fixed this page for you.
But Bird's reaction becomes less funny that way.
>Japanese loanwords are interesting, since so many of the common ones are false friends. That's something a lot of scanlators get wrong, too.
Oh yes, that's definitely something you have to look out for. The one that jumps immediately to my mind is actually "bitch," funnily enough. Bitch in English has the connotation of just a really disagreeable and whiny person who gets on your ass about stupid shit, but in Japanese, it's more that you're a slut and is not really distinguishable in its usage from やりまん.
It's probably a bad thing that's the first example that came to mind and says more about the garbage I read than anything.
>Just curious; do you know Japanese or are you just interested in it?
I can read Japanese to a decent degree, though if I were to write it, I'd be very obviously JSL, the equivalent of some retarded BR in English. I am not particularly good and I don't practice kanji as often as I should. My girlfriend has surpassed me considerably these days. I can translate commendably if given a lot of time, though.
If you do, would you be interested in scanlating something? I'm currently helping to translate the tabletop game Nechronica with aforementioned girlfriend, which received its first update in two years just last month. If I ever got the considerable willpower and time necessarily to translate something more hugely significant, I'd use it to bring Kusarihime ~euthenasia~ to an English speaking audience. I have never thought of scanlating anything other than ero-doujinshi.
So many best girls and best boys. It's been so long since I've felt something like this towards a manga or anime.
>i can tell if something's off as soon it enters my mouth.
>It's gross but cute
the fuck did you say
>hey anon, you're not looking good, are you sick?
>let me taste your cum, I can tell if something's off as soon it enters my mouth
Personally, I think the translation of 'demon' aids the series. Most people connection the world 'demon' with 'evil' while 'Fae' or 'Fair Folk' are much more neutral terms. A lot of the humor and misdirection of the first few sections relies on us not knowing who to root for: on one hand, Vamirio is a ruler trying to save her kingdom from being overrun by an overpowered stranger, and on the other she is a 'bad guy', since she is a 'demon', stopping the hero. Because we may assume that the demons are evil, the switch in sympathy we get from seeing how ravaged their kingdom is works quite well.
I'm not sure if this was an intentional thought by rello, but it was a good choice, imo.
As the person who went over why mazoku doesn't automatically mean "demon," I agree with this assessment overall. The connotation of the term being used in Japanese is still as such that "adversaries of the human race" wouldn't be a strange trait for them to be associated with - it depends on the setting.
>'Fae' or 'Fair Folk' are much more neutral terms.
The good folk will fuck you up something good and proper, though. In that sense, demon is actually more appropriate here than "Fair Folk." Demon in English also has a more general meaning beyond "fallen angel" - just a general term for malicious spirits works. Even then, the etymology of the word "demon" isn't that sinister to begin with.
>Personally, I think the translation of 'demon' aids the series.
No shit. When there is an actual fucking human with the title of Hero, and a plotline which involves a hero going to a castle to defeat a boss, translating mazoku to demon is mandatory.
I won't disagree that the traditional meanings of 'Fae' and 'Fair Folk' have a harsher stories, many associate 'Fair Folk' with Tolkien elves than with images like Titania. I was mostly talking about popular associations to the word, rather than historical. That said, I think we essentially both agree on each others points.
It's amazing how much old stories have been whitewashed by that company. Can you imagine what the world would be like if the Grimm ending of Cinderella was popular, or if the Little Mermaid actually turned to seafoam at the end? I'm sure kids would probably be far less idealistic about life.
>I'm sure kids would probably be far less idealistic about life.
Seeing that fairytales were supposed to be allegorical life lessons, it would be kind of the point.
Again I blame Disney for shifting priority from preparing kids for adult life to sheltering them from it.
Dragons can do this too.
I think thats the joke.
It started with the whole maou vs yuusha thing so it is definitely right for us to assume that they are demonic race.
It is not until Witch-sama appearance that we start to think that maybe she is just a cute loli elf.
Thing is the Hero and King are non-standard, exclusive classes most people can't get. And there are plenty of chances of them playing more with that possibility.
In DQ, there is one other class that has the same teleporting resurrection ability as the king, and that's the pastor in a church. Given the angel theme of the badguys, them being a plot-relevant class is not out of the question.
I forget, did the demons actually call themselves demons in this series? They say humans call them that but I can't remember if they had a word for themselves besides the imperials.
Here's my picks from a previous thread
Kenros- Nobuhiko Okamoto
Cless- Mamoru Miyano
Alicia- Chiwa Saito
Human king-Akio Ootsuka
Piuy- some kid (like the kid in Usagi Drop)
They call themselves collectively the Empire, usually, and generally refer to themselves as their actual race (vampire, immortal, etc.). They at least acknowledge the usage of the term demon by humans. I think it's more a matter of not generalizing all of the people in the Empire, really.
However, while they do not generally refer to themselves as demons, they do refer to their leaders as things like "maou," which means "demon king." Technically, it could mean "magic king," but the term "maou" is almost exclusively used to distinguish someone who is "the king of the mazoku/majin," or, in cases like Sengoku Basara Nobunaga, someone who us just an enormous fucking asshole (although his title is actually a reference to the Buddhist figure of Mara, who is in the context of Buddhism an enormous fucking asshole).
You know what would be really funny? If there were humans in the Empire too.
Like two or three human countries in the 15 countries Empire.
It would be even funnier if the Emperor was a human.
Or maybe the word I'm looking for is ironic.
the empire is a collective of fifteen nations, are the most prominent races the ones ruling? Can we assume the other two kings are elves? And are all the nations located in the poison mist?
I assume some of the kingdoms are a collective of different races, because there's seemingly a lot of different types
and how does the management for these nations work? Is the demon king of each stronghold ruler of a country?
Presumably, their central-most bodies run off a merit-based system if the Demon King contest and Vamirio/Azudora's direct subordinates are any indication, while others seem to have monarchies in place.
This manga makes me wanna go on a train trip.
Trains are awesome.
who do you think is gonna localize Helck?
Meanwhile, post cute helck girls
you have to believe anon
you are probably right. but what are gonna do, learn moon so you can read chinese comics?
Depends what you compare them to?
the viz translation of the last hxh chapters are great compared to garbagestream shit translation, but how faithful they are to moon language? Who knows
NO FUCK THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY
THESE ARE NOT THE EMOTIONS I WAS PROMISED
They're very unfaithful. There's worse, but it's still very bad
OH I DON'T KNOW MAYBE PEOPLE WHO READ THE MOON NO NO WAY THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE
Viz's largest problem is that they drop what they start to localize 1-2 volume in and nobody is hence allowed to pick up because they're the ones with the rights.
chill, I was talking from the perspective of someone who doesn't speak japanese
I don't know much about english publishers, but manga you find here is usually in german, italian or french, but I always go for english since I refuse to learn french, don't speak italian and german seems pretty bad, I could be wrong about that
You bet they fucking are.
Nearly any time something cool like a manga or a visual novel gets an anime adaptation, barring examples where no one but fans of the original care, the discourse surrounding it almost immediately deteriorates into shit. I've seen it happen too many times for it to be coincidental. The threads become populated by shitposters and assorted cancerous idiots who reduce the collective IQ of the entire thread to abysmal levels.
This is doubly true for anything that gets localized and marketed as a regular product. This brings preteens and weeaboos into the community, and they provide little to nothing of value. There is a chance that they will one day grow the fuck up and contribute something of worth to the conversation, but too often they stay vapid weeaboos who take root on the garbage end of Tumblr and occasionally leave to shit up everywhere else.
The more exposure something gets, the more ignorant, obnoxious idiots get involved. All this on top of how discussion speeds up to an eclectic pace where no one has anything meaningful to say and you have a veritable maelstrom of ruinous bullshit. General threads are especially vulnerable to this because their ongoing nature leads to a sense of cabin fever during the extended dull periods between major updates and other happenings. The constant presence of certain interested people in theses threads gives rise to cancer such as tripfags (who don't realize the function doesn't exist for attention whoring, but to single out specific people delivering and reporting on actual content they're creating) and similar personalities.
I wish the "secret club" and other elitist mentalities didn't have to exist, because they give a lot of faggots a misplaced sense of superiority for the wrong reasons when they are just as awful and cancerous, but it's the only way to maintain a standard. Granted, that mentality isn't as meaningful anymore considering how well-known 4chan has become.