>MC with a plot plan, achieves plan in one chapter.
>Bored but doesn't want to annoy the reader so he decides to rape and play GTA
>30 year old Otaku Pervert in 12 year old body
>Fucks tomboy and then beats her to death after refusing to do his dirty work with a pipe
>Rapes girls in his school and never gets arrested or charged
>Causes the deaths of his friends and still never caught
>Rape, Rape, Rape, Rape is all he wants to do.
>Fucks tomboy and then beats her to death after refusing to do his dirty work with a pipe
Do you know what edge is?
No one in this manga is screaming "darkness" or doing much of anything edgy. Its just a guy wanting to enjoy his 2nd shot at life by doing whatever he wants.
I want Kazuya to rape his ghost rape baby.
>Killing a Tomboy slut was unforgivable.
I don't know about you, but I don't hold precious a girl who gave up her virginity over a bet on the day her fucking friend died.
>actually blaming a vulnerable 12 year old for being manipulated by a 32 year old pervert
I have to give him props for being taken out with style
>runs away once Izuru shows when he was about to rape Anna
>kills Ikumi just because "she doesn't know anything about him"
The MC didn't deserve to die though, had his bitch of a daughter let him rape Ann. Then he would have finally got over his obsession with her and lead a very productive life.
He wanted to have a good life in this 2nd world but after Ann showed he that he never had a chance with her even when they were kids, that would break down any man, especially if you loved her.
In this case, even though then MC did so much fucked up shit, I think everyone else deserved it.
So what if he's in the body of a 12 year old?
It's been shown multiple times that he behaves like his 32 year old self. He purposely exploits the children's weaknesses in a way no other child would do.
She could have told her mother, she could have let her friends know something was wrong with her friend. She legit said the first time he was about to fuck her that "He...he isn't Kazuya!" but still went along with it cause she liked him. It had nothing to do with him exploiting her weaknesses, she gave him love and he used it to his advantage. At any time she could have said no, of all the girls he raped, she wasn't even one cause she GAVE UP HER VIRGINITY OVER A BET.
All Kazuya wanted was to have a nice life with Ann, but she wouldn't let him have that.
She caused all this fucked up shit to happen. Honestly what kind of person Ann is to invite Kazuya to a diner with her husband, so they can BOTH tell him that they're expecting a baby and she's pregnant.
I think any real life man would flip their shit over that.
>she GAVE UP HER VIRGINITY OVER A BET.
Wasn't that because she liked him in the first place ever since the infirmary scene?
Also the dynamic of abusive relationships isn't that simple.
>couple tells the person that they considered their lifelong best friend that they're going to have child sonn
>Kazuya flips his shit
>obviously somehow people think Anna is at fault
You don't fucking do that, Ann is at fault because she and her husband were just preying on him.
He was a third-wheel with them everywhere, try having your friend with his girlfriend and you go with them everywhere. You would feel like you're a fucking loser.
They weren't friends, they were assholes. No one person feels comfortable with 2 other friends when they're a couple and they consider you a "best friend" when you're alone.
>anyone that doesn't love edgelord revenge power fantasies is a fujoshi
I guess this is what happens when your mother has nobody around her to tell her to knock off the booze when she's pregnant.
>Ann is at fault because she and her husband were just preying on him.
That's literally just what Kazuya thinks.
Do you really think he was objective when he relayed his thoughts to the audience?
Do you actually believe that Anna and Kyo acually noticed how Kazuya felt?
Why didn't Kazuya just talk to them? All his problems resulted from lack of communication.
>All his problems resulted from lack of communication.
All his problems were caused by her not fucking him, that's all he wanted. In the 3rd Universe, where he actually fucked her, he had a good life, he didn't obsess over her after his dicking on her. And became a well-off person, on the flip-side she became a NEET, who couldn't get over one fucking rape night and suicides because of it.
Who's the pussy now?
It's not the fujos it's the fags on /a/ who like tombois.
Now that I think about it, you're right. Basically guys who like another guy, which makes them fujos for their own selves. Yeah you're right, fucking manfujos.
The MC was a paranoid psychopath who thought the world was out to get him and that this meant he was entitled to rape, torture and murder at will. If you honestly think he was in the right you should probably visit a shrink.
All his problems were caused by her not fucking him
If you truly believe that it lies within her responsibility to give her body to a mentally damaged boy in order for him to overcome his own insecurities and fears, just because he wants it, then you're legitimately fucked in the head.
It was the 2nd universe where he successfully raped her.
She didn't need to be raped, all she had to do was show him some love. But she did nothing but friendzone him, that does a lot of damage to a man. Whether you believe it or not.
Probably another reason he didn't give two shit's about tomboy *pic related*
Exactly, this is all the fault of the BAITCH who led him on with the panties thing and the feelz.
Also the part where that asshole who bullied him and liked the tomboy dies via truck is great HAHAHAHA.
Holy fuck I love this.
It's edgy in a good way, and fucking funny because of it.
>If you truly believe that it lies within her responsibility to give her body to a mentally damaged boy in order for him to overcome his own insecurities and fears, just because he wants it, then you're legitimately fucked in the head.
All she had to do was just LOVE HIM, that's all he wanted. She treated him (someone who actually cared for her and tried to even woo her) nothing but ignoring. But gave that other dude her fucking love because of what? They never even ad a reason to like each other.
If you legitimately enjoyed this manga please consider killing yourself
this is literally not the same since women are property and dumb so their existence is incredibly lesser and thus their suffering is also diminuitive compared to men's
go make a simple program and instead of writing "Hello world" right "I hurt."
That's the same level of suffering women experiencing.
>Or, he deals with being rejected and gets over it, instead of becoming obsessed with raping her.
It must be fun agreeing with the majority opinion over how to cope with having your heart broke doesn't it? Just "grow up" man, "get over it" man. Yeah that doesn't work for everyone pal. There's no right answer to this fucking shit.
>So if a hideous 60 year-old hambeast asked you to be her lover, you'd say yes because rejecting her would hurt her feelings?
A better question is, do you care about other people's feelings?
>I've been friendzoned by girls I liked. I never thought I was entitled to their vagina or held a grudge over it though.
That's not all of it though, Kazuya was a third-wheel to his best friends, they kept him around and hung out with him MAKING him feel this way, they never kissed or anything when they were with him, treating him like someone they didn't trust. He even says in the manga, had they been more open with me. This shit would not have happened and he could have gotten over it. All he wanted was closure with Anna and she was too much of a bitch to give him that. They kept him as a "friend" or better yet pet. While he was hurting on the inside for failing to get the girl he loved.
>She treated him (someone who actually cared for her and tried to even woo her) nothing but ignoring.
She did care for him, because she considered him her friend.
But gave that other dude her fucking love because of what? They never even ad a reason to like each other.
So, where exactly would you see a reason for Kazuya and Anna liking each other? It's the same. Affection doesn't warrant a reason. and nobody is entitled to someone's affection.
>That's not all of it though, Kazuya was a third-wheel to his best friends, they kept him around and hung out with him MAKING him feel this way, they never kissed or anything when they were with him, treating him like someone they didn't trust. He even says in the manga, had they been more open with me. This shit would not have happened and he could have gotten over it. All he wanted was closure with Anna and she was too much of a bitch to give him that. They kept him as a "friend" or better yet pet. While he was hurting on the inside for failing to get the girl he loved.
The thing is, they didn't know how he felt, because he never opened his goddamn mouth and spoke up about it.
Typical heteronormative neurotypical individual that only thinks his mode of thinking is the only valid one. I want you to know that you are being ableist by saying he is twisted for raping women, have you ever considered that it is YOU who is psychopathic for not constantly targetting the fairer sex? didn't think so, think before you criticize rapists, bigot .
>being disgusted by a shallow cunt of a man getting his way when he deserves absolutely nothing is now tumblrism
No anon you are the tumblrite who tries to justify doing whatever based on petty reasons
Your friends should know automatically how you feel in this case. Same as they felt he wasn't the same person, they could have seen what they were doing to him.
He didn't resort to killing people (willingly) until is crazy bitch of a daughter tried to murder him. Before then he only accidentally killed that bully, and he was shocked that happened cause he didn't plan on it, he just wanted to scare the bitch bully but he died.
>You're a grown-ass woman fantasizing about faggot porn drawn by gooks who spends her days ruining an anime imageboard.
That's news to me.
I always thought that I'm a 20 year old male, but if it's you, you probably know me better.
>I can't tell if the fans of this manga are edgelords out to offend as many people as they can or genuine wannabe serial rapists and murderers.
Actually if you want to play this game, there's nothing wrong with being a murderer or rapist. Society trains you to hate those types of professions in general because they harm others. But at the core, literally there's nothing wrong with pleasing yourself and disregarding others.
If you accept what you're doing and ignore the rest then it ok. When you die, nobodies going to be in that ground but you. SO I say enjoy life as much as YOU want to rather than worry about what everyone else fucking thinks of you.
Life is about enjoyment, so do whatever you feel gives you that.
Get off your moral high-ground for 5 minutes before you open your mouth.
I laughed pretty hard there. I dropped it because he kills the cumdumpster slut but now that I think about it I'm missing out on the funposting ITT for not having read it when I had the chance.
>there's nothing wrong with being a murderer or rapist.
Screencaped for that autism.
There really isn't right or wrong though, it's just a social construct. A man who rapes a woman is simply using his power to attain what is his. This is how the universe works.
my god that is some stupid shit i'm reading in this thread. why the fuck would anybody read this drivel?
i'll remind you again that underage is not allowed here.
you're a mental midget, and i mean this.
go read some books.
The problem with people like you is that you think society is god and all morality is considered the law that's been on earth even before humanity. Its etched into you so deep.
People like you never question what's "right" and "wrong" because you just believe anything society tells you. Then you call those who do question it "edgelords".
Its funny, if people didn't think this way, history would be a lot different.
>This is how the universe works.
I'd rape all fem"anons" if I could.
>rapes a dumb tomboy, btfo's his faggot friends
>does what he wants
He was absolutely based, but a dumb landwhale whore who wastes her time on anime instead of actually getting a bf wouldn't understand.
Hello, you seem to have made a mistake!
You appear to be a female anime fan but have decided to post your garbage on /a/. Oooopss!
Luckily, this can be fixed easily, please go back to tumblr where your more than welcome to be a cancerous Fujoshit and never come back to /a/.
No one in this thread is actually defending that edgelord are they? It's just an elaborate ruse.
You sound extremely euphoric to me.
If only people could steal, rape and murder at will then society would certainly be different. A fan of the state of nature, to quote Hobbes?
Not hte guy you replied to but,
>The problem with people like you is that you think society is god and all morality is considered the law that's been on earth even before humanity.
>People like you never question what's "right" and "wrong"
I do question what's right and wrong, but that doesn't mean I consent to raping/murdering people.
I'm not joking you disgusting fucking landwhale.
Why haven't you killed yourself yet? You're a grown-ass woman fantasizing about faggot porn drawn by gooks who spends her days ruining an anime imageboard.
You're worthless. You're fucking scum. You have nothing to offer to a potential boyfriend.
Oh wait, you'll just keep deluding yourself that your crudely drawn faggots and your "husbando" are all you need. Well, newsflash you fat sack of shit, you're a pathetic waste of space who'll end up cold and alone in a shitty apartment full of cats.
This is your future fujoshit, remember this the next time you decide to shitpost on /a/.
Get raped you stupid fucking slut, that's all a femwhore like you is good for. Based Kazuya would put you in your place.
This thread reeks of /r9k/ faggotry and literal MRA redditors. Why do I even bother.
The manga is shit anyways, there are a lot of better mangas to read and waste your time with.
>Life is about enjoyment, so do whatever you feel gives you that.
Fuck off, libertine. Go suck De Sade's syphilis-ridden cock.
I'm asking a legit question, m80.
How is a twelve year old raping people, and why is he infatuated with some pregnant woman?
Not him, but even if they are social constructs, those social constructs are there for something. So "rape is evil" is not an objetive rule like "gravity", but it still has some worth.
One is free to be evil, tho, but should one be it?
Hell, i dont know.
It's perfectly natural to find this manga hilarious, that's why it's so edgy. It's when you start actually identifying with Kazuya that you have a problem.
>/r9k/ MRA boogieman
How to spot a tumblrite.
Fuck off, nobody wants you here.
You're just a butthurt slut because based Kazuya didn't give a fuck and took what he wanted instead of being a designated beta orbiter.
>thinks rape and murder are bad
>gets accused of being from tumblr
Oh, I forgot that you have to enjoy the concept of rape and murder to browse /a/, you certainly enlightened me there!
No dumbass, if people didn't question society and what's "right" or "wrong" the world wouldn't even be the way it is today. Damn sure the french revolution wouldn't have happened, nor America's creation or even more impacted events in history.
That's what I mean, you need to understand and not take for God every fucking thing society tells you is good or bad. But you're too far gone. I buess being a moralfag is true fucking bliss isn't it.?
I do find it funny that nerds who spend their time watching Chinese cartoons and posting about it on the internet wish that there were no laws and people could commit atrocities at will. I guess they honestly think they'd rise to the top of society in these conditions.
it only has worth just as money has worth. society agrees to think that way, you want to benefit from society, thus you agree with what society is thinking. but that's the thing, it's pure ideology at the whim of our minds, which can and will change depending on the environment.
It's better because it's not time travel bullshit.
It's still edgy bullshit and unlike this, I have no idea who it appeals to. Who is the target audience for "Girl gets raped and bullied a bunch so she gets revenge on her classmates."
Yes, and? Even if it changes, you still would be hurting a person if you rape. Its still evil.
Its not gonna change soon enough for it to dissapear.
>unironically defending cancerour female posters
Sounds like you need to take yourself back to >>>/r9k/fembotfeels
Women only PRETEND to like anime or watch homopandering garbage that's killing the industry.
i really don't know what to say. so you're saying you understand what i'm saying, but then you try to hold on to an ideological position and hold that it is purely objective?
well no, you're wrong. evil is also a construct of the mind.
Roasties getting seriously TOASTY ITT!
Pic related, average femanon fujoshits vagina.
Go back to /r9k/.
Now watch the whiteknight redditors jump to their defence!
>He was a retard, there's no denying that.
No he was not, he was a dude who just did whatever the fuck he wanted to do.
He tried being a normal kid and guess what happened? He was treated like shit. So now that he's raping and murdering people he's the one who's wrong? Fuck off.
Kazuya was one of the best MC's we had in a while. Original and based as fuck. Unless you enjoy MC's who do nothing but act goodie-twoshoes and turns down hot women.
No, please, dont put words in my mouth. I think evil is subjective as you say, but one still should strive to be good. Or at least, good enough for yourself. Even if good is decided by everyone and its still subjective, you have to find in that some values you can respect. A force of pure freedom its not a real fullfilling existence as much as a force of pure law isnt.
Ah, i dont know if what im saying makes sense for you. Probably not but oh well.
All those options at my disposal? What a time to be alive!
>Kazuya was one of the best MC's we had in a while. Original and based as fuck. Unless you enjoy MC's who do nothing but act goodie-twoshoes and turns down hot women.
Kazuya was based, for once an MC who doesn't take any shit from women, doesn't let them control him with their axe wound and instead just takes what he wants.
No wonder femanons hate him, see pic related
that aside, i don't think i've seen someone this genuinely retarded in quite a while.
look, from a writing perspective, i'll tell you what is wrong with kazuya: he's powertripping and he didn't deserve any of the power he got over that girl. any sensible human being would be disgusted with him.
in the real world people get to judge each other for what they're worth. a female who doesn't judge you as fuck worthy doesn't have to fuck you. people who judge you as incompatible (for example, if you can't speak up) don't have to befriend you.
do you understand? the originsl kazuya is a fucking loser and it's his own fault.
>everybody is a female
no we're not. face reality, you're a fucking mental midget. go read some real books.
Agreed about the Tomboy.
Who the fuck would want Anna when you already have somebody completely devoted to you, to the point where they even took the stab of a knife to save you?
Oh no, you're TOTALLY right anon. Men who are handsome and are on the girl's pecking order list. Don't need to resort to such "horrible" things as rape/murder.
Noooo, if you lived a day in a failing man's shoes you'd understand why people think that, you fucking normie. Understand that there are many men who can't get women and girls to like them.
Oh I bet you'd say they need to get better, become better men or look better? No I bet you'd say they can resort to buying sex from a whore or getting a animegirl-fleshlight right?
Men have pride, and this SOCIETY teaches men to have a woman to love and fuck and when a man can't get it and is looked down upon it does something to our minds and it hurts our pride. We're not all Gold, you fucking asshole. Rape and Murder is bad to YOU, not to many other men out there, so what makes your OPINION better than ours kid? Nothing, not a damn fucking thing. Sex is something all men crave and biologically want.
Rape and murder has only been outlawed for the passed 3-4 centuries.
>Unless you enjoy MC's who do nothing but act goodie-twoshoes and turns down hot women
This. The MC in Mujaki no Rakuen just the same as this. I also like Kazuya character better but he has a shit taste of picking over Anna instead of Tomboy. I know tomboy is acting out like a whore but damn she's loyal as fuck
I thought you were some kind of gone-far guy who lost all hope and was about to lead a life of hedonism, cruelty and self-destruction because of moral relativism.
It hits hard, i know that. But its also great. Devoid of all meaning, purpose, or duty, we, shall at long last, be free! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
>Rape and murder has only been outlawed for the passed 3-4 centuries.
>People like you never question what's "right" and "wrong" because you just believe anything society tells you.
I think raping and killing people is bad because I don't want to be raped or killed myself. How is this a difficult concept to understand?
And there is good deal of stuff that society says is right or wrong that I'm against, but directly hurting other humans is not included in that. Just going out and raping people because "lol fuck society" is being a contrarian.
It's a copypasta OP posting the same shit that was being posted a few weeks ago. The only one who's even remotely serious is that nihilist faggot. Retarded normalfags taking this bait have made it next to impossible to actually discuss this series.
they want to raped because they say "they don't want to be raped."
Literally any study regarding rape or female sexual fantasies.
Women want to be raped and women orgasm during rape.
Women don't want a beta faggot, they want an alpha who bends them over and fucks them hard without asking.
Fuck off to tumblr you transsexual landwhale whore. Stop pretending to be a part of the glorious male species. Women were created to be raped and enslaved.
How we men ended up working instead is ridiculous. Maybe I should shoot up some women in my state.
This thread is filled with
What a time to be alive, can I pull up a chair at the table to you all gentlemen? I'd love to put my thoughts on the table.
They "want" to get raped by that hot rich guy they've been crushing on, not just any random dude.
New flash, physical genital stimulation causes pleasure.
if it was desirable, why does nobody want it? why does he have to force his smelly shit onto her?
is it maybe because they could tell that he is a loser, an inferior male comared to efen the average?
Kazuya was mentally hurting from being treated like shit by his best friends. They made him feel like a loser. Imagine being with a couple all day, while they're having couple moments and enjoying themselves, you're in the back just rubbing your thumbs together realizing how much of a fucking loser you are.
I don't know about you, but that would severely damage my mental mindset, I'm someone who constantly bashes himself in my head. I don't have much confidence in myself after so many failures in my life and I'm only 23. I'm a beta and I know it for a fact. But If I went through what Kazuya did. I know for sure I would have killed someone or been a school shooter by now. That's just a fact.
This world really tries hard to never understand the victim of this kind of abuse. I can't blame Kazuya, he was in all honesty a victim. Good manga.
>This thread baffles me, I actually never thought some people could genuinely like something I didn't!
>I never thought people could genuinely put on their own shoes!
Fucking autism the post. Oh my fucking kek.
>All the Izuna apologists ITT
Pretty disgusted to be quite honest family.
but anon, she was like a kid tricked into eating candy.
and kazuya was so satisfied too, after conquering a little girl who didn't know anything. he may be able to compete with grade schoolers but can he compete with real men of the same age?
>Only outlawed for 3-4 centuries
>Old Testament - 2-3 millenia old => thou shalt not kill
>Lucretia => Roman Kingdom => Heroed from personal shame after getting raped, then giggled in the afterlife as the rapist was hacked to death with a sword in the blood-soaked mud
Clearly you're as historically illiterate as you are intellectually bankrupt.
Just because you want something doesn't mean that you're entitled to it. There's no ethical justification for that sort of raw idiocy short of the kind of worthless ethical nihilism even Stirner wouldn't bother touching. You want to put your dick in females without their consent? Fuck you, fag. You're just as entitled to do that as any dude is to anally violate you at will in the street. Presumably you'd be against that, eh? So what gives you the right to do that to anyone else? It's a basic function of all human morality that any action you take must first be held up as a potential universal rule. You rape? You get raped. Where the fuck is your stupid pride in a world like that?
I love how inconsistent your moronic ravings are, where you first whinge about how society teaches you to rail chicks and then promptly talk about how you reject all mainstream social teachings. You're not enlightened, anon, you're a dipshits.
Are we still putting up our nominee for best MC or are you guys still arguing about OP's pick?
That's the part that makes him Based.
>he'd never be able to do that to people his real age
Yeah because if you could fight someone your own age vs a kid. You'd fight someone your own age right? Fucking retard, enjoy getting your face introduced to the pavement
>It's a basic function of all human morality that any action you take must first be held up as a potential universal rule.
go to bed kant, your treatise of morality was the most autistic thing i read outside of 4chan
>People getting butthurt over a work of fiction
but anon, you know that's not what he meant.
he's saying that grown man kazuya can't compare to other males of his own age. nobody would efer pick him because he just isn't a good choice. he's a total loser after all
I actually would love him, that would make it better if he was doing it to people his own age. I think he could pull it off with these gullible jobbers. They think of him as a friend.
>MC spends his whole life trying to play it nice and follow the rules
>This leaves him alone, jobless and depressed
>Gets a second chance
>Decides to play GTA: IRL 2
>Gets an awesome life
>Stopped by his cunt daughter on the third itteration because she's salty that mommy doesn't love her.
>See the the thread.
>Revese google search
>Read the manga
>Come back and people disscussing about if rape is ok or not
anon you don't seem to be getting it. he is the jobber.
he was shocked to find his supposedly close friends going out and not just that, he was still shocked to see them get married and have kids!
forget about calling him a loser, he's just not very bright is he?
This, this so fucking much.
Kazuya was a great MC, truly someone I didn't get hate or got bored with. he kept the story fun and the reader in laughter and on the edge of their computer chairs.
>People taking a work of fiction this seriously
He was shocked because he was a dumb kid when it first happened, watching your life and reading a story are different, things that should be obvious aren't always. What shows that he's a retard is the way he accidentally killed that kid and how he acted at the festival.
/a/ is fucking retarded with its "muh edgy" meme.
Not all stories have to be happy and lighthearted, there is tragedy, there are anti-heroes who win and there are clearly psychotic MCs.
What matters if it's the story is entertaining.
Which this story was.
Any other stuff like this? Evil edgelord protagonists are something I always enjoy. Like you know he's gonna lose in the end but you still root for him anyway for the fun of it.
See, here's what I honestly don't understand about Kazuya.
Why, after becoming a child again, does he not attempt to get his life in order for real with the foreknowledge he's gathered as a 30 year old? He's already graduated school once - this is all review for him now, and this time he can just blow his studies out of the water and become a child prodigy now that he knows so much more about the world than any kid rightfully should. He could be skipping grades, if he wanted, and using his foreknowledge of the future to take advantage of events he already knows are going to happen (well, he actually does do this, but not in a broad sense - like remembering to invest in successful companies and shit when he's old enough).
Or he could take it easy and live life with all the advantages someone with +30 years of knowledge would have. He could improve his drawing skills as a child and use all of his free time to become actually talented. He could manipulate lolis into falling head over heals with him without even actually needing to rape them. He could eat healthier and exercise and maybe not grow up to be so fat. He could avoid all the mistakes that led him to his previously difficult and painful life. By the time he's 30 again, he'll have the knowledge of a 60 year old!
I just don't get why someone squanders a second childhood like that.
do you even social contract brosephine?
By being born into society, you give up your right to do certain things in order to gain protection from society/law. You gave up your right to rape a girl after she sees the neckbeard for the right to not get stabbed by some fuck on the street. And as long as you're on the wrong side of the hierarchy of force in a society, you're pretty much shit out of luck on changing that
tl;dr stick to your 2D NTR shit
>faggot MC, faggot OP, this entire thread.
Top kek /a/. Kazuya lost the game like the faggot he is and rather try again, he ragequits and tries something else only to be BTFO by daughter.
Not my problem he couldn't take his loss like a man and move on to better pursuits. A loser who gets hung up so badly over something so stupid deserves being BTFO. Once a faggot, always a faggot. Dont try to spin this as he is some sort of based alpha for he is anything but.
He was stupid, and he knew he was stupid, so despite the extreme advantage he was at he convinced himself there was no way he could properly use it to get rich or anything like that, so he just said fuck it and played GTA.
>I just don't get why someone squanders a second childhood like that.
>Being in a classroom learning shit you already know
I know ig I had a second childhood, I would most likely would have fucked girls more.
i happen to be reading a book on this, and that's not what tragedy is. tragedies are reserved for people who act better than this. this is more of a comedy, except that it isn't all that funny.
it's just a failure.
it's like SAO and mahouka, except with negative wish fullfillment instead of positive.
edgelords love this shit
I can't hate him, I feel on some level he really did nothing wrong considering how his second life went. Well besides his ghost rape baby having the same angst as him.
They're soulmates I tell you.
>Actually discusses manga not just characters
>Discussions on motivation and morality of characters not just best grill shit flinging
We should have Weekly Edgy Threads
The thing you're not getting is Kazuya wanted a better life. That better life doesn't involve whatever the fuck you people wanted or thought.
HIS better life was being in a loving relationship with Anna and she would never give him that. The moral of the story is "What happens when a girl tells you no".
He said FUCK IT, and played GTA like a boss because he didn't give a fuck about anything else. He just wanted Anna and then he could live a better life improving himself. The 3rd iteration where he fucked Anna and got over his obsession he has a better life, hell a great life.
Anna a the problem in this whole story. It revolved around her being raped and bringing him goodness or her staying unraped and his life being shit.
Kazuya decided to say FUCK BOTH THOSE OPTIONS and live life for enjoyment for himself and that's what we got out of this manga.
It teaches people that you decide what makes you happy and go with it. Fuck what everyone else says, cause at the end of the day unlike Kazuya, you don't get a second chance.
>tragedies are reserved for people who act better than this
I guess Macbeth isn't a tragedy then retard. This shit isn't a tragedy but it not being one has nothing to do with how justified Kazuya was.
Because that's the kind of depraved person he is. Think about how he even got to his adult state in the first place. Just giving him a second chance without any reason wouldn't accomplish anything. If he could have turned his life around he probably would have when he was still an adult.
ITT: Retards who never got the point of the manga
Kazuya was nothing but a vengeful spirit, a karmic punishment in the form of a man turned into a monster by his childhood, coming back to haunt those same children. However his actions in doing so also produced a vengeful spirit set on thwarting him, effectively canceling his actions out entirely.
In short, the story is about how absurd the idea of karma is, this is both shown in the content of the story with Kazuya getting away with increasingly fucked up actions, the fact he never truly receives retribution, and how the biggest fag of all (Kyou) gets away relatively unharmed in every single instance. Kazuya's narration also breaks the general ideal of children being innocent by showing how they were the ones to plant the seeds of destruction in his life, or be slaves to sexual desire such as in Ikumi's case.
Overall it was an excellent series. Very unique, very concise, and a take on the "second chance at life" type story that isn't just blatant wish-fulfillment fantasy. You're all gigantic fucking plebeians if you're too absorbed in celebrating or admonishing the protagonist's actions to appreciate the actual story content. It's fiction, faggots.
The moral of the story is about worthless neets who spend all their time wishing they could go back and make things better instead of actually trying to turn things around on their own, and how if they actually were given that chance they would squander it just like they squander every passing day they could have been spent bettering themselves.
Now whether or not they all would have become raping murderous cool guys like Kazuya is another thing but I'm sure there's plenty who would
but it was a power fantasy. kazuya could have done better in life if he wasn't such a loser. but he didn't. now the story sets this fat loser up to do everything he wanted to do, even though those things weren't meant for him.
and it's not like kyou did anything wrong. only idiots blame every mistake in their life onto other people
it doesn't fucking matter what kazuys wanted. sometimes you don't get the toy you want. you don't cry about it for all eternity
well i was going by a pretty ancient definition i guess.
>effectively canceling his actions out entirely
Except for the two dead kids.
>the story is about how absurd the idea of karma is
They put so much focus on Catholicism and the rapebaby had that diatribe about a sadistic god, if it's moral was about anything religious I doubt it was karma. Plus you're reading into an ending that was clearly made because the series was prematurely axed.
The vehement opposition to anything "edgy" has always been ridiculous. I blame the stupid edgy characters like Donte for inciting newfags to jump on the hate bandwagon and apply it to all edge everywhere
So are there any decent examples of evil protag stories where he actually gets what he wants in the end?
I get fully why it's almost never so and how it pretty much spoils any meaning the story might have but I'm curious to see if it's ever been done well.
oedipus wasn't a lowly person. his tragedy itself was that he killed his father and fucked his mother without knowing it.
maybe something similar can be said for macbeth, but i can't comment since i don't know the details.
but again, this is a pretty old definition. take it up with aristoteles, not me.
have you ever heared of naruto, kids? that's where this "edgy" meme stems from. now go to bed.
The thread title is "Name a better MC than Kazuya", the word "based" isn't even used. I'm just pointing out that, from a writing perspective, Kazuya is indeed a great MC.
OP might not realize it, but if it weren't for that he probably wouldn't be praising Kazuya right now even if he liked his actions on a fundamental level.
If you think that a miserable human being spiraling further into insanity as he's hunted by the spawn of his own actions is a power fantasy, then you're spending too much time on tumblr (which is to say, any whatsoever).
Frankly I'm disappointed to even hear the phrase "power fantasy" used unironically in a critical discussion on /a/ in the first place. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?
>They put so much focus on Catholicism and the rapebaby had that diatribe about a sadistic god, if it's moral was about anything religious I doubt it was karma.
Well it's not that unusual for a story that more or less runs on the message of "there is no justice in the world" to rail against religion. The general concept of karma is heavily associated with religion.
Also note when I say "karma" I'm not specifically referring to it in a religious context, I'm just referring to the generalized concept of universal accountability for ones actions administered on a supernatural basis.
>oedipus wasn't a lowly person
He killed a guy over what was basically road rage.
>but again, this is a pretty old definition
Then why were you using it in an argument when it's clearly dated?
>that's where this "edgy" meme comes from
You're retarded, the sarcastic usage of edgy like that existed long before Naruto.
Yes, and back then it was actually used properly.
Now every retard crossboarder uses it when a fictional character slightly offends his moral sensibilities and doesn't seem apologetic enough about it.
You probably don't even know why the term "moralfag" was used.
Nobody volunteers to join society, you're just taken into it. So if you want your rights back you can just act on them. People in society will hate you but does it really matter?
How many murders gave up that right? how many rapist? Do you think they honestly care about what YOU think? Many are dead or in jail and refuse to give a fuck.
Hope Tomo-chan also experience what this qt went through
W-what is this fine manga called?
How the heck do I not know of this already? I browse /a/ like 24/7.
>but does it really matter?
Yes it matters, as long as you want to live or not be in jail, anyway. It's not like they just happen to end up there regardless of their actions.
If you really want your rights back just get out of the society that's so clearly oppressing you.
The way he got that kid killed with the truck made no fucking sense at all. He sent a kid to a store, expecting the store to get hit by a truck, and somehow didn't think that it might kill the kid. I'm not saying it's a horrible story or anything, but there's some stupid shit in it and it's not as excellent as you make it sound.
reverse search the op, the name is long as fuck moonspeak
I never heard of it either until today and i found it no problem. The story started in 2015 so I'm guessing it's somewhat recent
the way i remember it happening, he sent instructions for him to just go to the area near the store. dumbass kid probably went into the store to buy some candy or an egg to bully kazuya with and had a fatal encounter with truck-kun
the popular widespread usage in these kind of circles came from it is what i'm saying. of course the word existed before then.
kazuya is edgy. his reasons for his extreme actions are dumb. his motivation is dumb as well. simply speaking, he has no place being the villain in any story, and yet here he is, full of negative emotions and we're supposed to care about that.
that's edgy. he's dark just for the sake of being dark (i.e. he has no justifiable reason for being this dark)
I noticed that too, I definitely assumed he purposely wanted to kill him because I could already tell what a bastard he was going to become, but it just seems like a kind of cliche you as a reader would definitely see coming, but not the retard protag who's retardation got him where he was to begin with
Oh man this manga turns my stomach. It's not one of the extremes of Japans light loli stuff or the sensationalized American idea of an evil pedophile. Kazuya acts like a real child abuser. The bitterness, the selfishness, the delusional thinking, and the whole process of escalation with the tomboy. He's really well written.
All you newfags weren't here when this was being translated, it was great.
That's what I meant. When he found out and was like "oh shit I just wanted to scare him" I was surprised because I thought he already went off the deep end and purposely wanted to kill him, but it doesn't matter too much because he still did immediately afterward
This is the same guy that, as a 32 year old man, found himself incapable of standing up to the 12 year old bully from his childhood. It's not unusual that the idea that he could seriously harm, let alone murder, that same bully wouldn't register to him mentally.
That moment was actually a huge turning point for Kazuya as a character, as his unintentional killing of the bully showed him that he actually COULD change his situation (whereas immediately prior he was trapped in a spiral of helplessness) and erased his inhibitions, allowing him to commit all the acts he does from that point forward, including raping Anna.
>it doesn't matter much
I'm saying it matters because the way it came about was forced, the MC may be a retard, but even for him that's ridiculous. To me it seemed like while he hated that kid beforehand, he wasn't exactly willing to kill people yet, and accidentally killing the kid is what brought him to the point of being willing to go full out and start raping and killing people.
It was kind of forced, but I feel like it had to be. Like >>136324840 said the story would never have really gone anywhere if it didn't happen, he would still be the same him he was before, and probably would have repeated his life the same way he first did. The accident was the critical event that changes him and allows him to realize the power he has and the way he can use it.
>the idea that he could seriously harm, let along murder, that same bully wouldn't register to him mentally
It's not like he just set that up without putting two and two together, he sent the bully there because he knew the truck would hit and wanted to scare him. He told him to stand in front of a store, knowing it would get hit by a truck, and expected this to scare him, never considering that it could harm or kill him. The MC is fucked up, and not exactly bright, but that kind of oversight is ridiculous to me.
idea of accidentally killing someone because of abusing his memories was good, but it would have done better as something less obvious, since anyone with a brain can conclude what will happen when a kid and a car accident are in the same place
You guys are overlooking some really blatant subtext here. He was literally despairing about being powerless to change his life THE PAGE BEFORE IKUMI FUCKING SHOWS UP AT HIS HOUSE TO MAKE THE BET.
>calling something "forced" when it flew right over your head and you needed it explained for you
>Actually if you want to play this game, there's nothing wrong with being a murderer or rapist. Society trains you to hate those types of professions in general because they harm others. But at the core, literally there's nothing wrong with pleasing yourself and disregarding others.
I hope you're not being serious you disgusting subhuman
But he's smarter and more experienced than everyone in his age set by a good 30 years. Even if he's pretty useless he's still ahead, so he could do better.
Sure, he has a retarded 12 year old brain, but he still has a fair amount of knowledge and experience.
>needed it explained for you
I didn't need it explained for me, I understand its significance to the story and its effect on Kazuya's mentality, the oversight is just retarded. He felt powerless to change his life, but if he felt powerless towards the bully then he wouldn't have made that plan specifically to fuck with the bully in the first place.
Actually he's right. There's no inherited "good" or "evil" in this world. The most popular opinion is turned into "Law" and that's how we base our society.
At the essence of it all, there is no meaning in any act we do unless you believe in religion. That's really the only thing that conflicts with the guys beliefs.
Society does teach people, in fact the joining into society is proven to be taught by the parents. You have no choice but to agree with certain beliefs like killing is wrong, etc, etc. You are taught this shit, it isn't your own opinion as you think it is.
Either way I don't care what you think but understand where it comes from. That's what he's trying to say.
I did a competition winning story where the protag was a rapist (it was very discrete and hidden in subtext and very hidden hints and allusions)) and picked out their target and then committed the crime while getting away while giving a story about the what led to the rape happening.
It was based off a true story.
I was the rape victim in the story (I'm a guy)..
"to make the bet" was just paraphrasing. Her visit that ended in making the bet occurred when he was in the middle of a despairing over the idea of never getting Anna and being forced to relive his entire failed lifetime again.
The kids don't have 30 years worth of emotional baggage, trauma, and anxiety issues weighing them down.
They were all more productive human beings as 12 year old children than Kazuya was as a fully grown adult.
Women who are raped deserves it on some level. Either they looked too pretty, they were somewhere they shouldn't have been, they were too stupid or something else. But there's always a percentage of the blame on the women when it comes to rape. Its not all the rapist fault.
>He's not a neckbeard like me so he must be from /b/
Go away r9k
Wow, this is exactly what I've just done
It was ok I guess
I give up, you can have this thread r9k
In what world are pranks considered to be life-changing events? Being powerless isn't the same thing as having no autonomy whatsoever, Kazuya was convinced that he would ultimately suffer the same fate he did previously, not that he would reenact his entire life in a loop.
That said, it's also possible that Ikumi's surprise visit gave him the initial spiteful impulse he needed to get started. Kazuya's shown to be extremely impulsive through the story, so it would fit.
I have a girl in real life who likes me, however she is ugly so I will never actually consider her more than a fucking cum dumbster. That's the only part I can relate to Kazuya with. Ikumi was just a whore from the start, she never made him work for her, she gave him all of her so quickly. Men like a challenge.
pranks created with your knowledge from another life backfiring to kill someone could be considered life changing, yes
it's the fact that it happened entirely because of him and his knowledge and his ability to manipulate Ikumi that made him realize how powerful he is over the rest of the children
>In what world are pranks considered to be life-changing events?
The prank was just the initial step, to me it seemed like he planned to fuck with him by getting with Ikumi like he feared, of course that's hard to say considering he died before it could progress.
>Being powerless isn't the same as having no autonomy whatsoever
Being unable to get back at a bully isn't the same as having no autonomy whatsoever either. I'm saying if he actually felt powerless towards the bully in particular, enough that he couldn't even imagine actually hurting him and to cause him to overlook the truck as potentially hurting him, why would he think he could fuck with him at all and make this plan to begin with?
>it's also possible that Ikumi's surprise visit gave him the initial spiteful impulse he needed to get started.
he gave up on anna after raping her too so most likely. Even if she did everything he wanted she was still just a tool and he would have discarded her once her usefulness ran out
Kazuya was crippled by anxiety and helplessness from the very beginning, but he always had a little bit of autonomy. It's what drove him to plan to confess to Anna at the festival, which ended horribly (and showed first-hand how the bullying he experienced as a child completely crushed his ability to function in life).
It was from a combination of that event and seeing Anna and Kyou together that caused him to hit rock bottom. He probably would have completely ceased functioning, snapped, or outright killed himself at that point if Ikumi didn't show up, which coincidentally only happened because of his initial steps to approach Anna (and the resulting bullying).
He received the new information that Shinya liked Ikumi, and that anger inspired him to create a prank against Shinya.
Kazuya probably didn't care about the prank itself, he just wanted to confirm that Shinya liked Ikumi for sure. This is why the condition of the bet was him having sex with Ikumi only if Shinya liked her, since Shinya destroyed his chances with Anna, he wanted to use Shinya's love for Ikumi for revenge.
And then, just like the steps he took to get Anna bore the unexpected result of Ikumi coming to visit him, the steps he took to get revenge against Shinya unexpectedly ended in Shinya being killed outright.
Also it probably wasn't specifically the act of getting Shinya killed that caused him to react the way he did, but the fact it was Shinya specifically who died.
All signs point to Shinya being the root of Kazuya's trauma, the central figure behind his helplessness. Shinya being killed (by Kazuya's actions no less) enabled him to finally make an attempt at changing his life, but he couldn't truly move on without getting Anna first.
>no doujinshi of tomboy getting dicked
>no doujinshi of anna being raped
>no doujinshi of fortuneteller being raped
>no doujinshi of izuru hatesex/rape
>no official doujinshi by the author like Mujaki
>never, ever going to get animated
Why even live?
>Actually he's right. There's no inherited "good" or "evil" in this world. The most popular opinion is turned into "Law" and that's how we base our society.
I fully comprehend that the concept of morality is a human thing, but it's a concept that was given birth to because humans evolved to have empathy. We needed empathy to make societies work. Humans aren't the only creatures that possess empathy, but we are the only creatures with this level of intelligence and self-awareness which is why we could come up with this system of morality which we call law.
>At the essence of it all, there is no meaning in any act we do unless you believe in religion. That's really the only thing that conflicts with the guys beliefs.
I disagree, the ultimate meaning of humanity may be mundane and boring, but that meaning is survival. The meaning of morality is being able to live as a society. If you reject your humanity, do not expect to be treated as a human.
>Society does teach people, in fact the joining into society is proven to be taught by the parents. You have no choice but to agree with certain beliefs like killing is wrong, etc, etc. You are taught this shit, it isn't your own opinion as you think it is.
You do have a choice, the poster you're defending is the very evidence. There's no doubt you inherit a lot of things as you are making your education as a child, things you can't question because you have barely if any experiences on the world to have any kind of judgment making skills, but as you become an adult you learn to form your own opinion on things. Opinions you share onto adulthood don't necessarily mean they aren't your own.
>Either way I don't care what you think but understand where it comes from. That's what he's trying to say
His post was nothing but pure dripping edge covered under the pretext of right and wrong being meaningless. Would the poster be okay with his person being tortured alive I wonder? Because with the philosophy behind his post he ought to be
>Saw this thread
>Decided to marathon
>mfw finished reading this
>Return to thread
What the fuck happened here lol
Nature programmed empathy in humans so they would be able to live as a society by instinctually avoiding things which destroy the order of society. The history of humanity is filled with bloodshed and rape so you can't say it did a perfect job but considering the quality of life we can enjoy these days you can't say it failed. What I'm trying to say is that law is something we came up with to protect the order of society, empathy was like nature's attempt of imposing a unwritten law onto us so that's where my link comes from.
Hold on. If she has stopped him from rape Nana in the gym storage at first that mean Nana wouldn't be pregnant and she shouldn't have never exist. Therefore, she should have disappear right there and then.
Why are you treating "society" as one nebulous whole that shares the exact same motivators and values?
Do you not realize that different societies can have completely different ethical, moral, and legal systems?
If you don't, why do you feel qualified to comment on the subject in the first place?
No, there were three timelines, changing one doesn't directly effect the others. She was from the second, the majority of the story took place in the third. There's another plothole there but it's not really a big deal.
who gives a shit what they think? Their lives are functionally over at that point, it's just a slow death versus an execution. All you've won is being stuck between 4 walls surrounded by men and cut off from that sex that you craved so much in the first place.
If that's your idea of success, you're more than welcome to it. But we all know that the anon talking shit on here are the same ones who would break down crying in the court room if they ever actually grew the balls to act on their internet fantasies
Kazuya was a person that didn't care about other people's opinions anymore after living a fucked up first life. No one can reason with someone who won't hear them.
That's why i like kazuya, he did what he wanted to and gave no shits how it impacted other people. He beat tomboy to death, like physically just beat her till she stopped breathing, even with her last words of "I love you". He dumped her body and ate pork chops and rice smiling and watching tv.
Kazuya was a boss
>be beta kill my self after i jacked off to a loli swimsuit.Comeback to stupid to become rich,so maybe I should be alpha.NOPE IM to much of a beta to do it so I will go to become a rapist killer.
would have been better if he tried to be alpha and maybe failed and then became gta
Basically, another restart where things happen differently, and at the end after killing each other through maybe two new timelines, a father/daughter incest end where everyone ends up more or less happy.
>He could manipulate lolis into falling head over heals with him without even actually needing to rape them
Isn't this that other manga about going back in time's plot? The one where the girls grew up to be an actress, air stewardess, etc
He figured, probably rightly, that he'd just be coasting and then coast into the same situation he was already in as a 30 year old.
>use all of his free time to become actually talented
If he was a diligent person, he wouldn't have this problem in the first place.
>He could manipulate lolis into falling head over heals with him without even actually needing to rape them.
I don't think the rape was a "need", I think it was a "want".
>I just don't get why someone squanders a second childhood like that.
Why squander the first one either? Some people live their lives in a way you don't consider productive. The ones who are dramatically unproductive often make for the best stories.
>almost as much
I would say moreso. He started out regretting things, and he had one goal that he was focused on. She was similar, but she had no regrets. She was the crazier of the two.
>Except for the two dead kids.
Three. Blonde slut, blonde who liked the slut, and silent fortune teller. Or five, if you count the two time travelers.
This is also a must read
It is kinda like Oyasumi Punpun
This little nigglet does everything that Kazuya does but without killing people and dying.
There's one about a business man who relives part of his childhood, specifically a month or so before his father leaves his life forever. It's pretty touching.
Jirou Taniguchi's pretty consistent at making quality works.
I was disappointed with a few parts of it.
If he had just gotten the girl to tell the police she was stabbed by that one chick then fucking bam, she's out of the picture.
The ending was also pretty boring, I wanted it to go on a roller coaster of darkness.
this thread is pathetic, /a/ used to write about shit like this ironically.
oh yeah you're a genuis. one day you'll show them.
i hate this meme. this is among the worst manga ever created. it's like the negative version of SAO. pure wish fullfillment fantasy.
you could tell that the author was a complete manchild.
>oh yeah you're a genuis. one day you'll show them.
Yea, I am considering how dumb the Millennials are. You know, the post you missed where I posted about how dumb millennials are.
In fact, why don't you take the test that the Millennials got and see how well you do?
Fuck this shit. Just spent the last few hours reading the whole thing. The tomboy was easily the best choice. So much conflict could've been avoided if he just stuck with her after their encounter at the nurses office. Fuck kazuya