FINALLY OUR BOY RETURNS
IS THIS THE END OF IRRELEVANCY?
No but this confirms you're a faggot OP. Top kek
You think, Gohan? You fucking think?
Because one would think a smart boy like you would realize that being in a position as unique as yours with a power as great as yours would mean you also carry a great responisibility, especially after like the third time you've been too much of a bitch boy to protect your loved ones and your planet.
>be cocky alpha workaholic who goes on adventures, neglects his son and lets his mother raise him
>yfw the kid turns out to be an intergalactic fuccboi who got bent over by a wealthy real estate mogul
father of the year all years
>neglects his son and lets his mother raise him
Bitch all he wanted was to bond with his son but that harpy of a wife of his forbade him from teaching him anything about his greatest passion.
It's no wonder Gohan hates fighting, Chichi conditioned him that way by chimping out if Goku ever brought it up.
No shit he's still reluctant, you don't magically overturn an entire formative period by spending a year with the boy away from his mother. The damage was done.
You'll note however that one year in Goku's hands made Gohan by far the strongest Z-fighter. You'll also note that he made Pan a world-class fighter before she was five years old. Fucker's a trainer God, and Gohan wouldn't have been such a bitch boy if Goku had been allowed to teach him from the start.
He became a cape hero who turned criminals over to the justice system of Earth. Thats how much he didn't give a shit about fighting. He just wanted to live happily without killing ever again. And its fucking ridiculous, because if you count all the instances in DBZ alone prior to Buu the Earth was attacked by planet destroying entities and organizations like four times. They should have acknowledged that there are monstrosities out in the universe which can blow up the Earth with a flick of a finger, and they need to form a global organization devoted specifically to combating this threat.
But no, Gohan goes back to school and everyone else fucks off to their daily routines. Its quite ridiculous after how many supervillains, movies, and destroyed cities that they still do the same old shit pretending nothing bad will ever happen again.
Don't you see?
The guy was permanently damaged by his mother and later by the trauma of being kidnapped and forced to fight out of necessity.
As soon as he got his freedom, he ends up chasing common robbers so far below his punching class it may as well be bullying.
Basically, Gohan's heart is in the right place, but Chichi directly and indirectly fucked him up. He can't fight like normal menfolk of his race due to trauma but he still has his urges, so he goes on to fight in the safest environment possible.
I'll never get this overblown Gohan hype, he had his moment forever ago. He's not the main character no matter how much you cry about it.
>Future Gohan was the best.
This anon has taste
Reminder that Gohanfags don't even understand the character they're bitching about
Looking back on it Future Gohan is in the same spot that Gohan is now just on the other side of the spectrum. He spent years training and it got him no where.
Well, there is that whole mass murderer aspect that Vegeta has going....
I mean, I guess Piccolo got over it, but rewatching Z, Bulma still didn't like being around Piccolo into the end of the Frieza arc
Literally any other woman would constantly bitch at Goku to get a job or to make a fortune on Earth off his godlike powers. Like start Goku Airlines where he puts everyone on a train car and flies that fucker to its destination in 30 minutes or less. But ChiChi doesn't give a shit, so she gets to stay.
I'm enjoying DBZ Super so far, but this animation is terrible.
You'd think Toei would have written production a blank fucking check for the most popular anime franchise of all time but we get shit like this instead.
They're not interested in fighting its competitors for global dominance. They just want to maintain domestic market relevancy, and they can easily do that by cutting lowball checks for a cheap series every few years or so.
>"Okay" replies Toriyama
>Gohan turn's Super Saiyan Mystic God
>Functionally the same thing anyway
Don't ask the impossible, like for Toriyama to not make dumb looking transformations.
>Literally any other woman would constantly bitch at Goku to get a job or to make a fortune on Earth off his godlike powers.
Better than bitching at him for flying and forcing him to plow the fields on a tractor when the nigger could do it with his hands when he was like 9.
If all Chichi wanted was goku getting money, that would be damn easy to do, but she doesn't want him to get money. She wants him to be NORMAL, which is why he's terrified of having her see him flying in public or fighting and why she makes him tend the fields in a fucking tractor which has got to be literally the least efficient way Goku could ever get money.
He's quite the happy scholar.
Goku's strong and has a big dick.
That's literally the only reason she lets him get away with being a complete idiot who constantly endangers the welfare of their entire planet.
>>That's literally the only reason she lets him get away with being a complete idiot who constantly endangers the welfare of their entire planet.
You mean besides the whole "literally the only guy capable of saving it 9 times out of 10"?
And stop acting like she cares about the planet.
I'm starting to think that the people most satisfied with Super are Vegeta fans.
I knew it wasn't going to be GREAT, but I didn't think it'd be to the point where I'd be thinking that maybe GT isn't as bad as I thought.
I mean, that's the bar. Don't be as bad as GT. Was that too much to ask for?
>Faggots judging DBS before it has even started
>What's even the point of doing a re-telling?
Woah hold up
Are people really crapping on DBS animation? DBZ animation wasn't anything special, get off those nostalgia goggles. You'd get a differently drawn Vegeta every episode. Dragonball was the one consistently animated.
Nobody said DBZ had the best animation in anime, but it wasn't shit either. DBZ at least animated side and background characters. In DBS if somebody isn't in the foreground they have less detail than south park characters.
Just finished watching Resurrection F
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GO FROM DEFEATING CELL TO NOT EVEN BEING ABLE TO TAKE ON FRIEZA
THIS MOTHERFUCKER HAS GONE FULL CIRCLE FROM BEING USELESS TO BEING RAD TO BEING FUCKING USELESS AGAIN.
WHAT THE FUCK TORIYAMA
like wtf. I'm still watching this, but c'mon
Why does it look like Goku has on hipster glasses?
Nah it was the same shit. Just less noticeable because you were a kid.
I watched it, it just makes no fucking sense.
"I haven't trained hard for 7 years, welp, I better now be a complete piece of shit and lose all credibility". is not a valid fucking reason
Also because high definition wasn't a thing back then. Toei just doesn't get that technology marches on and those things aren't going to be a blurry mess in our screens but a clean and perfectly visible shitty doodle.
Gohan is in the inbetween place.
He fights really really good but get lazy and delevel even tho he can just exercise and do regular sparing once an hour or something. He does science alot but isn't like bulma or other super scientists in the setting.
His goal is to be a "Scholar."
Motherfucker. If he gonna multiclass, he might as well do something that you can benefit.
He can't even do the stupid high tier science bullshit humans can do in the DBZ setting. You do Absolutely nothing gohan.
he's spearheading the ki revolution for humans. he's not an inventor like bulma but rather a "scholar" who practices his theories.
it's not like he's useless, we just don't see the fruits of his work. he's videl's husband too so that should automatically net him a good position in the best university in the world.
>spearheading the ki revolution for humans
Got any source for that anon? I thought the z fighters would get their shit together after how much bullshit happened in their lifespans. When Galactic/universe rulers, super human sciencets creating cyborgs, robots and biological war machines that are stronger than galatic/universe rulers. super demons that threaten the whole universe, and a literal god of destruction that shits on everyone else comes to your planet, you need to get a reality check and plan for hell and worse.
Bleak future DBZ was DBZ in it's prime.
>semi dystopian world
>great dynamic between best Gohan and best Trunks
>no bull shit magic than brings people back to life, when you die you die and that's the end of it
>protaganists fight against impossible odds
>the finality of best Gohan's death is a major turning point for best Trunks and gives some much needed character devolopment
>After the cell saga when best Trunks returns to his time and kills the androids and cell is enjoyable as fuck
>I thought the z fighters would get their shit together
Their job is to NOT get their shit together.
A big moment is when Goku shows up as a Adult for the first time back in Dragonball, and it turns out they don't have the power needed to gank Piccolo.
And Roshi didn't teach anybody Mafuba.
No mention of him on the site for now
Guess the Champa arc will still not be Gohan time unless they surprise you
>mfw he gets a power-up and still gets destroyed in his next match
>Takes a full second to wind up a punch
>Smacks Frieza to the ground
>Not even a scratch on the rock
When did they get so weak? Is beamspam all they can do now? Fucking original Frieza fight was more interesting.
>29-30 years old on first appearance
>hasn't achieved SSJ
>took the entire 7 year Cell-Buu time skip to achieve SSJ2
>in that time Goku achieved SSJ2 & SSJ3
Compared to Goku. He didn't do much.
>everyone at some tournament that you know is going to get fucked mid way just like literally every other tournament in the series
>gohan off missing somewhere
Besides, don't forget the anime is going slightly different than the manga.
Did you guys forget the Multiversal Super Dragon Balls Toriyama said the main characters were going to have to fight for in the future? The Tournament isn't actually the big important arc, it's a set-up for the actual big arc. Like in Majin Buu.
It's because he is going to have his big hero moment after the tournament arc, which is a set-up for the larger arc.
>They’re fighting against their neighbors, Universe 6! They’ll yell at me if I give away too many spoilers, so I’ll keep the rest a secret, but they’re chasing after giant Super Dragon Balls.
See, that's the funny thing. Gohan's "Fans" hate him too, they're in love with this weird badass idealized version of him they formed in their heads during the Cell Tournament and decided he was the bestest most badass hero ever. Hence the salt when Toriyama shows him being consistent in character.
>The book quietly gains popularity and one of the articles, "Katchin Can Be Cut!", has an immense influence in the birth of the Swordsman class, as it leads to the creation of Trunks and Goten's Kikoukenjutsu Sword School in the year following the book's release.
How would HE know? He didn't cut it, he broke the sword.
Gohan is a piece of shit, if he was stronger he could take freeza by himself but he is too busy playing house with that satan hoe. I hope Gohan gets to Goku and Vegeta level, but training with Piccolo is kinda sad... I don't think he'll ever reach SSJ 3 or god super.
Hey guys! I decided to edit together both the fight between Vegeta and Freeza in Resurrection 'F' and the recreation of it in Dragon Ball Super. I'm pleased with the results and I'd like to see what you guys think of it.
The funny thing is if he wasn't such a shitter all he'd have to do to beat freeza was to have held hands with his saiyan family and that's it. Vegeta must've done it, he could have done it right then.
Hell, why didn't everyone? Free powerup!
He didn't translate it into scientific terms. He translated it into layman's terms, which is not exactly a massive accomplishment. Pretty much any master in Dragonball has done it.
>was surpassed and never caught up
false, he was stronger than goku when they first met, he was stronger than goku when krillin shot him through the chest while goku was recovering, he was goku's equal once he achieved super saiyan, he was goku's equal before toriyama pulled SSJ 3 out of his ass, he surpassed Goku in BoG, and now he s currently stronger than Goku by a little bit.
Goku was far stronger when he fought freezer. We don't know how close they were when they fought the androids, because Goku was dying. During the Cell Saga Goku became MUCH stronger again. During the Buu Saga vegeta was still a good deal behind, he probably couldn't even go SSJ2, which is why he accepted Babidi's control.
Sorry man, but Vegeta was surpassed in Namek and never caught up.
This has nothing to do with poorfags, you retard.
Also, the BDs hardly fix the bad animation.
>maybe fixing the mess of a story Toei made in the movies.
This didn't fix shit, it barely even tried to justify the bad writing.
At this point I highly doubt Goku bothers to pass much time with Pan. In the manga, unlike the anime, Goku didn't bother to say goodbye to Pan and Goten.
Piccolo spend quality time with Gohan and his family and now he trains Gohan, I could bet he trains Pan as well.
Because toriyama retconned dragonball's ending. Now given how shit Super has been I'd say the original's still canon regardless, but right now Pan is a very small baby. Not even Goku can train a baby. Yet.
In the series Gohan has never complain about muh bad childhood. He is quite happy, and has a pure heart which means he doesn't have any resentment.
Gohan doesn't train because;
Daddy is always there to fix everything.
When Gohan told Piccolo why he wanted to train he spoke about realizing how weak he is to protect his love ones, Goku isn't going to be there forever. And he was quite happy to get to train with Piccolo.
The ending of Dragonball.
I'm not watching the Super garbage, but I'm not surprised he's complaining. He was dropped as a baby and you expect him to babysit? Fuck at least let the girl walk before Goku begins teaching her how to fight.
Are you an anime-only-fag?
Because that doesn't happen in the manga. In the manga Goku only told everyone about Pan's participing in the tournament. After that Goku never speaks with Pan again. He only sai goodbye to Gohan and Chi Chi. And fuck Pan and Goten, hell when Goten sees Goku leaving with Uub he has a desinterested face. Pan never cries about muh grandpa Goku.
I own the manga, stupid, and in the manga we see Goku training pan and pan being happy with it. She can fly around the world at age 4. It is therefore implied that goku regularly spends time with her, even if it's for training it's how they bond.
Why would anyone be sad Goku was leaving? Nigger can teleport, distance means nothing to him.
The only thing we see is Goku training Goten and Pan for the tournament. Nothing more. The anime isn't canon to Toriyama, so the only ones that Goku bothers to say goodbye are Gohan and Chi Chi.
In Super, Goku never bothers to have any kind of interaction with Pan.
Yeah sure anon, he trained Pan "for the tournament" so at age 4 she could fly around the world.
If it was just "for the tournament" when the fuck would he have had the time to train Pan to this extent?
Are telling me Goku is the only interested in training the youth? Piccolo is training Gohan, Piccolo spend time with baby Pan, Piccolo has dinner every night with Gohan's family, Piccolo is showed with a soft side for Pan, Gohan said he would want Pan to be interested in martial arts, Nr. Satan wants Pan to be trained.
In the other hand Goku is only showed training with Goten and Pan for the tournament, after that he doesn't mind them. And in Super he never pays any mind to Pan in EVERY scene they have together.
>In the other hand Goku is only showed training with Goten and Pan for the tournament, after that he doesn't mind them
Because we only see them RIGHT before the tournament, anon. It's foolish to say he only trained Pan for the tournament, given the fact she's 4 and already trained well enough to fly around the world by herself in presumably a short while.
After that it's the tournament proper, what's he gonna do? Toriyama was ending the series, he didn't exactly drag the thing.
The thing is we don't. We see what happened in the tournament: Goku doesn't bother to say goodbye to anyone except for Chi Chi and Gohan. We see in Super there are many persons interested in Pan's future interest in martial arts but Goku. We see how zero interest Goku has for anyone training except for his own.
>The thing is we don't. We see what happened in the tournament: Goku doesn't bother to say goodbye to anyone except for Chi Chi and Gohan.
Again, Goku can teleport. Distance is meaningless. We do see that Goku trained Pan to be very strong at age 4. You wouldn't get a child that strong if you only cared about some tournament.
>We see in Super there are many persons interested in Pan's future interest in martial arts but Goku. We see how zero interest Goku has for anyone training except for his own.
Super is Garbage.
Nah he probably wore a condom after gohan turned out such a failure, and when he knew he would die at the end of the cell games, he just said fuck it and let chichi get prego.
let's be honest of you were the strongest person in the galaxy and your son turned out to be a crybay coward, you'd be pretty discouraged from having any more kids.
Are replacing the canon with your headcanon?
Gohan and/or Piccolo can train Pan, Gohan only needed one year to be able to fly with easy in Namek. In Super Gohan wants Pan to be a fighter, he and Mr. Satan play fake fights with Pan, in Super Piccolo trains Gohan, how hard would for them if Pan join them in the future?
Goku didn't give Pan any special treatment that he gave Goten, he acts with them in the same way. Now unless you are telling me Goku trains Goten regularly, when in Super he doesn't give any shits about Goten's training, even though he and Trunks are excited with the prospective of fighting as showed in RoF.
Of course Gohan didn't finish Buu, Toriyama was aiming for that ending but changed his mind. If we go by this then Krillin in the Namek saga was irelevant as fuck because he could had killed Frieza with his Kienzan.
Sometimes I wonder If DB and Akira's mind is too complex to understand with this kind of comments.
>What is literally the first thing that happened in the Buu Saga
/a/ is full of Gohan-hating faggots because he's one of the few well-written characters in DBZ. He isn't some one-dimensional, Le badass all the time, Goku 2.0 and people hate that. He's the best character in the show, only rivaled by Future Trunks and possibly Vegeta as far as writing goes.
I'm hopeful for him. I don't want to get too ahead of myself, but I am hopeful for my favorite character in any anime.
Also, this gave me some feels.
Best seen in all the Dragon Ball franchise.
It's funny because it's a perfect continuation to the series. Any real English speaking fan and all the Japanese fans think so. Only edgy toonamibabies and mexican GTfags think it's bad.
You're completely full of shit. I read the threads on 2ch every week. They love it.
Go ahead and show me where anyone calls it a soulless cashgrab. I'll wait.
>Toonamibabies and mexicans think anyone gives a shit what they think
I do wonder seeing how Towa and Mira are quite prominent in the games now if they might make an appearance in Super.
Would not mind it.
What's that? You're completely full of shit and can't back up what you claimed?
>Moonies said Super was just nostalgia pandering
Was your claim. Don't backpedal, don't change the subject. Defend what you said or fuck off.
>real fans of Dragon Ball actually like Super.
Then you're an idiot too, because the people in those thread are the real fans. I have personal friends in their 30's who grew up on Dragonball, and they love Super. You retards pretending it's universally hated because of a few mexican shitposters here are retarded.
I don't care what retards on /a/ think. I don't see how anyone who's actually read the manga could tolerate Super's bullshit. Do you not realize how absurd it is for Frieza to be wished back to life, beat up Gohan in his first form and kill Piccolo in one hit? Do you want me to explain to you all the things wrong with that?
>I don't care what retards on /a/ think.
That's good, because I'm talking about the fanbase who grew up on the manga as opposed to some shitty "localized" dub.
>wished back to life
How fucking stupid are you?
>beat up Gohan in his first form and kill Piccolo in one hit?
Oh you're on the edgy Gohanfags who want him to be SSJ2 teen badass again.
>Do you want me to explain to you all the things wrong with that?
You can try, but you'll be wrong. Training and making their base forms stronger has been extremely common throughout the series. It was the principle behind leveling up base SSJ instead of powering up in the Cell saga, and during the Buu saga, Vegeta held off Kid Buu in his untransformed state. But I'm sure you remember all that.
Maybe if you lurk more in the Internet you would see them complaining; about quality, characters and Toriyama. I would post images but I am in a mobile. And don't act like moons in 2ch are happy with Super, they complain, they called Super a nostalgia pandering with Toriyama and Toei don't caring anymore.
Show me mexicans hating it, then because everywhere I go in the web they are fapping to it. And if you speak about Super's defects they call you a piece of shit.
>And don't act like moons in 2ch are happy with Super, they complain, they called Super a nostalgia pandering with Toriyama and Toei don't caring anymore.
There was an anti-DB thread made by a buttmad Korean that got shit on constantly. Stop pretending you read moon, mexican-kun.
>Maybe if you lurk more in the Internet
Try wandering outside of your Naruto and GT forums. The show is loved by everyone except for you salty mexicans.
I guess you do want me to explain to you all the things wrong with that. Don't worry, I've actually read the manga so this will be easy.
Evil people in Dragon Ball don't get an afterlife. They briefly go to hell, where their memories are erased and their soul is purified. Then they're reincarnated. Enma had to make a special exception for Vegeta, who had only been dead for like two days. Frieza's soul would not still be intact after 16 years.
Piccolo dying in one hit is just absurd. You may not be aware of this, but Piccolo is really hard to kill. In the Buu Saga he was utterly destroyed by Trunks and he still recovered instantly. The idea that he could be killed by a mere hole in the chest is just disgusting.
I'm not going to explain why Gohan being weaker than Frieza is stupid. You already know why unless you're completely unfamiliar with the scale of power levels in Dragon Ball.
>Vegeta held off Kid Buu in his untransformed state. But I'm sure you remember all that.
I remember Vegeta getting the shit beat out of him. He only managed to throw one punch, and he missed.
Base Goku couldn't even carry 40 tons in the Buu Saga, so his base form couldn't have improved much since Namek. I don't think this is all that relevant to saying why Super is stupid though.
You know, it's funny that Old Kaioshin didn't mention Beerus or Whis on this page. It would have been pretty relevant, I think.
I guess I should point out that Gohan shouldn't be able to turn into a Super Saiyan anymore. It's sort of an overdone complain but that doesn't make it any less valid. What exactly can't Toei comprehend about this?
Future Gohan is what Gohan should've been if it wasn't for the end of his constant hardships post-saiyans/namek/Cell. Maybe if there was _some_ threat, Gohan wouldn't have thrown in the towel. Vegeta should've slapped some sense into him.
The next three years are going to be really rough ones I bet. Marron is going to have one hell of a growth spurt. Bra's is going to be even worse though.
>Piccolo dying in one hit is just absurd
the enemy was using magic hax, not a normal attack
>I'm not going to explain why Gohan being weaker than Frieza is stupid.
but freeza trained for 4 months
Holy shit, you sure are a fanboy. The fucking Internet writes essays about how bad Super is. Official animators shit on it in twitter. In blog fans write essays how dissapointing Super is.
>Here are the real fans.
Do you mean shitposter's threads that are full of fucking memes shitting on Super?
Grow some balls. Ironically you act the same way mexicana do when someone tells them Super has bad animarion, storytelling.
how the fuck is bulma getting sexier with age.
When she is on screen my mind and dick starts to wander, then I wonder how the fuck is Vegeta not at home crushing this nonstop
>Freiza wouldn't have special punishment for all he did
Piccolo has regeneration, but he isn't Buu. Remember when one every blast from Nappa killed him? Of course you don't, you're an idiot.
>Frieza getting stronger over 4 months is bullshit
Just like Goku doing pushups for a week and going from being weaker than Vegeta to stronger than the entire Ginyu force?
And yet all those hits didn't kill him. It's almost like base forms aren't as weak as you're pretending they are, hence base Goku fighting transformed Freiza.
Are you done embarrassing yourself yet?
>Let his mother raise him.
No, he let his second dad raise him.
>The fucking Internet writes essays about how bad Super is.
No one cares what idiots on MAL on in mexico think. The Japs who grew up on the actual manga love it.
>Official animators shit on it in twitter
Yes, the animation is bad for the most part. No one claimed otherwise.
>In blog fans write essays how dissapointing Super is.
Again, no one cares what toonamibabies think. They are not nor have they ever been the target audience.
>Do you mean shitposter's threads that are full of fucking memes shitting on Super?
No, I mean 2ch threads.
>Grow some balls.
What the fuck are you talking about? No one cares what a bunch of whiny mexicans and toonamibabies think. Show me these mystical Japanese fans who actually read the manga who hate the series or fuck off.
Gohan is just the embodiment of wasted potential. Kind of like me irl. I had so many opportunities to be great but I just couldn't be bothered and did my own thing. Now I'm nothing but an embarrassment to myself and my family.
>keep forgetting Super is currently airing
>haven't watched an episode since ep 8
really should go back and catch up.
was Roshi awesome in the frieza arc? thats all i care about. tired of him being nothing but a pervert. I miss mentor Roshi.
>was Roshi awesome in the frieza arc? thats all i care about. tired of him being nothing but a pervert. I miss mentor Roshi.
He gets a pretty good scene in the grunt battle episode, but after that he's basically just another Z warrior being beaten up and then standing on the sidelines making comments. He isn't comic relief for once though, and is treated mostly seriously up to the ending.
>MAL this, mexicans this
Can't you stop being salty because the world doesn't like muh animu? You are more mexican than the fucking mexicans The fact that your whole arguments are based on b-but mexicans hate Super, because that's the only way I can make me look good, it's fucking retarded.
Pic related is your fanboyish power level.
I always just rationalized that if he bled out before he could regenerate then he'd die. Like that Freeza shot him through the heart. I know Cell blew off an entire side of him and he recovered. What happened with him as a statue... Even though that was for comedy, it didn't make much sense.
I think people are forgetting that ChiChi has become purely a joke character. "muh asian mom stereotypes" is the only thing she even does. You can't analyze the motivations and personality of a joke character, they don't exist.
In Super she's even worse, she can't be around any member of her family without shouting.
I've always loved Saint Seiya more than DBZ and after Inferno, LC, Omega and LoS, I can't hate Super
>the world doesn't like muh animu
But Japan loves it, and the ratings are great. Why do you think that anyone cares what some Mexican GTfags and toonamibabbies think? You idiots literally don't matter.
As everyone is busy I want to congratulate the anon who said Mr. Buu was going to fail the test. After everyone bullied him now he can laugh.
>Why do you think that anyone cares what some Mexican GTfags and toonamibabbies think?
I don't know, but apparently you care what you think they think to make you look less retarded. Congratulations this is a new level of delusion.
>It must suck for the voice actors to do the same scenes over and over and over and over again
>the same scenes over and over and over and over again
>over and over and over and over again
Its less the high definition and more that everyone and their dog keeps taking screenshots of between frames and zoomed out shots just to feel smart. Those look like shit because they don't need to look good.
>but apparently you care what you think they think
I've told you several times I don't. Are you just shitposting blindly now because you realise how fucking stupid you were in pretending the series is disliked?
It's ok, I just hoped you learned something today. Next time, stay on your home board.
That's the sad part, anon. It wasn't 7 years.
It's only been around 1-2 years since he was Mystic Gohan. Toriyama just lost track of time in his own story. Beerus/Whis show up 6 months after Buu is killed (this is stated both in the movie and DBS). Pan reveals that she's been pregnant at this time. Less than 9 months later Pan is born. Freeza is revived within a few months of Pan's birth, and goes to train for 4 months.
So yeah, less than 2 years for Gohan to go from Mystic to what we now see in Super.
I think Toriyama legitimately forgot about his Mystic form. I'm doubting we will see it again, since like you said, nips seem to like super saiyan better so it's unlikely someone will remind him about Mystic Gohan.
Sorry retarded that I call your autism. But if you weren't a delusional fag and the archive were alive I would tell you to revise the archive where mexicans split their love for the series because Goku with cool powers.
Also the series is in pretty much danger of getting cancelled if Toei keeps with the shit quality this is an internacional true, nips know, we gajins know. GT also.had good raitings and was cancelled.
The series is disliked here and in nipland. If you want to label everyone that doesn't like it and isn't delusional to its defects maybe you should stop browsing the Internet.
Nip twitter, the famous fan artists of DB, are dissapointed, nip blogs are dissapointed and stop making goos fan art of it
>--Piccolo says Frost's presence doesn't feel violent.
>--Cabba's clothes are what Saiyans wore before the annexation by Freeza.
>--Cabba doesn't seem to recognize the name Freeza.
>--Cabba is from Planet Salad.
>--In Universe 7, Salad was the Saiyan homeworld as well, before it was destroyed by "internal discord". Once destroyed, the U7 Saiyans stole another planet and named it "Planet Vegeta".
>--Universe 6 Saiyans have lost their tails via the evolution process.
>--Universe 6 Saiyans are still a warrior race, but they don’t steal planets. They are actually employed to take down evil beings.
>--Vegeta wants to visit planet Salad and Cabba says okay since they don't steal planets anymore.
>--Test has 10 questions, anything above 50% is passing.
>--Buu fails everything and didn't even write his name right.
>--Goku barely passed with a 50%.
>--Order is determined by Janken: Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta. Beerus demanded Monaka was last.
>--There's a "Space-tional Anthem"..."SPACE IS VAAAAASTTTT!"
>--Botamo is Champa's first fighter, so Goku vs. Botamo.
>--Goku runs around like a fool because he ate too much and needs to work it off before he can fight properly.
>--Champa admits he underestimated Beerus' Saiyans, but suggests Botamo has his own surprises.
Botamo is actually Baseball champ, that's his surprise.
>Magetta looks like a robot, but is in fact a species of alien known as a "Metal Man" (and assures that he is not a dentist)
>Piccolo's mad at Boo because he spells his name wrong on the test. Boo yells that he's never done anything like this before.
>Despite appearances, Botamo is actually hairless, with slick skin.
>Frost is apparently the emperor of U6, and appears to be hiding something. It's hinted what we see is just his first form
for some one who has only ever watched the animated series would like to ask is it worth reading the manga from the very beginning of Dragonball and if so how long would it take to catch up?
>Bandai Namco is working on a new Dragon Ball RPG for 3DS called Dragon Ball: Project Fusion, the latest issue of V Jump reveals. It’s due out in Japan in 2016 for an unannounced price.
>Little information about the game has leaked, other than that it promises entirely new enjoyment and features a fusion between Goku and Broly. We’re assuming, given the title, that fusions will be a core part of the game.
Gohan skipped the first part of the tournament so he could go to the hyperbolic time chamber for the day.
Get fucking hardcore trained up. Hit Double Mystic or some shit and fucking transcend all kinds of shit.
Then shows up at the tournament and tags in for Buu or Piccolo. He goes into the ring in his blues and reds, classic Gohan...
And fucking BLOWS HIS OPPONENT THE FUCK OUT LIKE HOLY SHIT
BEERUS CRAPS HIS PANTS
VEGETA STARTS CRYING 'CAUSE HE GOT SURPASSED AGAIN
VIDEL IS LIKE 'DAMN SON'
PAN IS LIKE 'BABAWAGOOGOO'
RETURN OF THE PRODIGAL SON
A man can dream.
Are you 14, an ESLfag, retarded, or some combination of the three? You literally haven't made a single point and are just talking in circles.
>Also the series is in pretty much danger of getting cancelled
Objectively false. Provide actual proof or fuck off.
>The series is disliked here and in nipland.
Objectively false again. ESLfags and toonamibabies from offboard shitpost here, and the rest love it. And again, I linked the fucking 2ch thread in this very thread, the nips love it.
>If you want to label everyone that doesn't like it and isn't delusional to its defects maybe you should stop browsing the Internet.
Or maybe you should stop pulling bullshit out of your ass and stating it as fact.
>Nip twitter, the famous fan artists of DB, are dissapointed
The animation is bad most of the time, yes. No one is pretending it isn't.
>nip blogs are dissapointed and stop making goos fan art of it
You're right, that's why pieces like this
literally got posted today.
Are you done talking out of your ass, you stupid subhuman?
Your anal rage sure is strongh.
You are the one talking in circles. You dissmised every thing with "the mexicans and the toonamifags" when they are exactly like you. Why do I know this? Because they come here and split their love for Super.
And please I visit every day nip twitter, pivix, nip blogs to get art. And there are weeks without a single good pic. The only thing you get is hentai, fujo pics and bad recolors. Before the start of RoF artists actually drew pics based on the episodes, now they just draw random pics based on Z.
One of those artist even wrote how much dissapointed she was with Super.
>Your anal rage sure is strongh.
I'm cool as a cucumber. Your spelling is pretty weak, though.
>You are the one talking in circles. You dissmised every thing with "the mexicans and the toonamifags
No, I dismissed what you said by linking the 2ch thread and posting art. One of us is talking out of their ass. It's not me.
>And please I visit every day nip twitter, pivix, nip blogs to get art.
Clearly you don't, because you're completely wrong about everything that actually happens.
>One of those artist even wrote how much dissapointed she was with Super.
You clearly can't read Japanese, so I'm curious as to how you reached that conclusion.
You going to post any of these well respected blogs, or links to articles about cancellations, or links to bad ratings? Of course you're not, you're just an idiot.
>Gohan's next opponent is SSGSS Golden Cell
>Cell enters with a team of SSGSS Golden Cell Jrs
>Perfect Team stomps everyone in the tournament
>blues and reds
Personally I'm hoping for a return of Gohan wearing Piccolo's outfit. That shit was great.
I say this having not watched a single episode of Super, so he might for all I know.
Piccolo outfit is shit. Blues and reds are best.
I will also accept purple and blue.
>>Monaka: The greatest war potencial of the 7th Universe!? A hero with a name meaning "The Great Ponta (Nipple)". A powerful person that gives Beers-sama a hard time but will we see what he's worth!?
>Frost: If you thought "Hm!? This looks like...!!", then you're absolutely right. This is the emperor of the 6th Universe, hiding something!! Which means, is this his 1st form!?
>Magetta: He has smoke coming out of his head and has something burning in his body!! He seems like a robot but, actually, he's an alien from a species called "Metalman". What techniques does he use!?
Lul DBZ characters are physically weak as shit.
Did you forget the 40 tons? it's always ki shit and waves shit.
>Botamo: From Botamo, at first glance, we can see he looks like a bear and is very proud of his strength!! What is currently known about him is that all his body is glossy and hairless!!
>Did you forget the 40 tons?
Goku was carrying thousands of tons of water on his back in Super like it was nothing. He could throw King Piccolo as a teen like he was nothing (and given his size, he weight a lot more than 40 tons).
Toriyama just has no sense of how much things weigh.
>Cabba/Kyabe/Cabe: There are Saiyajin in the 6th Universe as well. Cabba is one of them!! It seems their battle suit/armor is vastly different from the ones Vegeta and the Saiyajin of the 7th Universe have. So, what is "his" true strength?
><- They don't use gender pronouns when talking about Cabba.
>Hit: With his cool outfit, which looks like he's wearing a long coat, there's no doubt he's a warrior!! There's a dangerous feel to the name "Hit"...
>If there isn't a number or a magic power counting machine to tell me exactly what's happening, I'm literally too stupid to look at the screen to see what's happening
Oh hey there /co/, how's the tumblr invasion going?
So, I finally decided to catch up on all of Super of the last few days. A few things.
What's up with King Kais VA? It really doesn't match at all.
And speaking of VAs, I can only hear Gokus Old Grandmas power up yell so often.
Bulma and Videl and 18 got hot.
And lastly, how come Pilaf and crew are all still young or chibi? Aren't they old villains? I feel bad for those guys.
Holy shit want
>What's up with King Kais VA? It really doesn't match at all.
He's old as fuck and ended up getting replaced by Oolong's VA when he was hospitalized.
>And speaking of VAs, I can only hear Gokus Old Grandmas power up yell so often.
Granny Goku actually sounds okay when not yelling and screaming.
>Bulma and Videl and 18 got hot.
>implying they weren't
>And lastly, how come Pilaf and crew are all still young or chibi? Aren't they old villains? I feel bad for those guys.
Dragon Balls, they wanted to be young again because they got too old. Ended up too young.
King Kai VA is 84 years old, he actually got sick during super and was reemplaced after episode 13
Pilaf and crew became kids with the dragon balls, they explain it in the movie but is ommitedd from the anime to not conffuse the children that only startedd watching at Kai, so they will believe they are new characters.
Seriously Goten is better, he barely got raised by Goku he also was ignored by Chichi, with out a cool Namekian uncle, probably wishing that Vegeta was his dad and he got to Super Saiyan 1 at three.
Why can't you look at pictures, and why do you need numbers from a guy who included a number system of power ranking in one arc specifically to show how fucking stupid it was?
>I'll never get this overblown Gohan hype, he had his moment forever ago. He's not the main character no matter how much you cry about it.
>NOBODY BUT GOKU AND VEGETA SHOULD DO ANYTHING
>GT IS BAD, BUT SUPER IS GREA
Apparently in the manga Gohan lost forever his orange suit, I hope this means he starts using his purple gi again, also pic related.
Water weighs 8 pounds per gallon. Goku easy carries a silo that makes an Olympic swimming pool look like a juice cup. That's a lot more than 40 tons. Goku also threw King Piccolo as a child, and given his size, he also weighed more than that. Vegeta did one armed pushups on 3 fingers at 400x gravity. That means Vegeta was pushing roughly 60 tons on 3 of his fingers.
How does Goku only being able to carry 40 tons make a shred of sense?
Your reasoningproves to be correct and you convince me. Dunno about the anon you were arguing but you convince me. Just for curiosity, wich would you think would be Goku's power limit in tons?
>Just for curiosity, wich would you think would be Goku's power limit in tons?
I have literally no idea. I'm not one of those idiots who pulls "stats" out of their asses for versus battle arguments and makes grand jumps of logic, I only look at what actually happens in the series. Goku and Vegeta move heavy shit all the time, and they can nuke galaxies with ease now, but I'd be lying if I said I could guess their maximum bench press or how much they can squat.
easy don't be mad I am just curious. Now you mention, dbfags and /co/ have that in common: they love to pull stats and I like to do stats too but I fucking hate versus battles. Everybody is butthurt after a versus.
>easy don't be mad I am just curious
What? I'm not mad at all. I just answered your question.
>dbfags and /co/ have that in common: they love to pull stats
The problem is that Japanese manga isn't like western capeshit where they go out of their way to quantify literally every aspect of a hero's power, so most comparisons fall flat.
>The problem is that Japanese manga isn't like western capeshit where they go out of their way to quantify literally every aspect of a hero's power, so most comparisons fall flat.
True, that's why I hate versus battles and fags who do it
How long will it take just for Gohan to get back to his Cell fight power level?
He has no motivation other than "guys there might be danger eventually" which isn't much of a motivation.
>literally no apparent threats to your family
>stronger than all except maybe a handful of people in the universe
>wife is stronger than nearly the entire human population and can fucking fly
>oh boy I better train to Super Cyan levels to protect my family
I just don't see it. The only reason to seek out that absurd amount of power is if you love fighting like Goku and Vegeta.
Gohan could've decisively ended Frieza if he had kept up on his training. No damage, no giant earth explosion, no bullshit.
Instead he has to rely on his fair weather father and some angry midget. Its a very powerless feeling when it falls to others to do something that you did and should be able to do.
Try and humanize the characters a lick, dude.
I once met a fag who posted a versus battle between Goku and Supes
>idiot was barking how powerful was Goku and that the video proved that Goku could easily beat/kill Supes
>idiot didn't watched the video because Goku died at the end
man I hate those fuckers
Why would he keep training though? There was no reason to.
They already defeated the bane of universe. It's like killing Satan. After that you just stop caring because there shouldn't be anything else that can threaten you.
To tell the truth I mostly have the opposite
>Supes is stronger
>Supes is this etc etc
I just start breaking all their arguments with comic knowledge. The funny thing is that they don't accept it even when I try to be reaaally simple about it. I just stop talking about it. It would've been better if they made better research about their videos as well because in some episodes like the aforementioned one have so many holes.
>Gohan could've decisively ended Frieza if he had kept up on his training
No he couldn't have, you faggot. Golden Freeza was even stronger than Super Cyan Goku/Vegeta. Super Cyan is also leagues stronger than ANY normal Super Saiyan form. Keeping his training up or not, Gohan would have still gotten wrecked by Freeza.
You're sucking Gohan's dick a little too much.
I still feel bad seeing 18 die
I mean yeah Future 18 is still evil but muh waifu
Piccolo for skill, Goku for strength. She will become the strongest
and end up starting her own martial arts school, taking over grandpa Mark "Hercule" Satan's dojo and ushering in a wave of new fighters across the world. This is actually canon, it's in Dragon Ball Online's backstory.
FFS.. Goku's strongest form was SSJ3 which was outclassed by Mystic right out the gate. If Gohan had remained consistent after Buu he would've been stronger than Goku by leaps and bounds. He got tapped out at SSJ3 against Beerus as it was.
Put Gohan in that position instead of Goku. Mystic SSJ God. Mollywhops Beerus, brings Frieza down with likely less training.
Its all subjective but naturally I'm slobbing because I'm not on the Goku/Vegeta bandwagon.
>6 year old Gohan on Namek held up better against Frieza
>6 year old Gohan on Namek held up better against Frieza
Please don't tell me that you're saying that seriously.
Tell that to him. He already wants to get more and more powerful.
Okay, time to clear some things up.
"Mystic" is a dub term. And not even an actual DUB dub term. It's more properly called "Unlocked Potential"/"Elder Kai's Unlocked Potential." It was never a permanent transformation, nor was it intended to be. It was also never Gohan at his actual limit; it was Gohan EXCEEDING his limits of strength at that point. It is also a transformation, LIKE Super Saiyan but far more efficient and with a greater boost. Gohan has to power up into the state and does have slight differences (hairstyle looks more like Super Saiyan 2, eyes are sharper), but can power down back to normal.
Finally, you wouldn't get anything major by combining it with God Ki; Super Cyan is just God power filtered through Super Saiyan (this is stated several times by different sources, most bluntly by Goku in the movie). The Blueper power of the form is not a multiplier, but something that adds on to the strength of the Super Saiyan form. To compare, say Super Saiyan God Goku is a 6, and Beerus is a 10. Gohan with God Ki would clock in at around a 6 as well. Maybe a 6.5 at best. All that transformation would do for him is turn that 6.5 into a 6.5001.
He could defeat Frisbee, maybe, but he'd still not be The Strongest.
The problem with gohan is that he didnt want it bad enough and his character probably never will. Goku wasnt and isnt always the strongest, but, he had more heart and an iron will that hardly ever broke. Gohan will never have that and quite frankly its the reason why he'll never fully be loved by his father or secondary father Piccolo. Goku wanted to raise a man instead he got a sissy boi...
Situation changes when you have a kid and you can't depend on anyone but yourself.
Gohan now wants it bad enough because if he doesn't step up his wife and his child will die to the next God of Destruction or villain with a revenge trip and that's the simple truth.
>Literally any other woman would constantly bitch at Goku to get a job or to make a fortune on Earth off his godlike powers
Not Bulma. She has a fortune by herself and she can even incentive Goku to get stronger to test shit like her gravity chambers. If she doesn't bitch at Vegeta, she wouldn't bitch at Goku either.
In fact, Goku and Bulma would make a better couple. Bulma could manipulate Goku when the situation calls for it, and even if Goku isn't the best father, he's still warmer to his sons than Vegeta. Neither Bulma or Goku deserve to be married to such assholes.
>he'll never fully be loved by h secondary father Piccolo
If not loving is have dinner every fucking night, babysit his kid, sacrifice the life for him, give a death glare to the powerful alien that dared to hurt him, then, yes, Piccolo doesn't love Gohan.
>you wouldn't get anything major by combining it with God Ki
Except that Vegeta has to release his power in base form (like Ultimate) and forget about SSJ (like Ultimate).
I would say Super Cyan is a step above Ultimate and to achieve the Saiyan has to release his full power in base form.
Japanese version of the anime, and the manga. "Ultimate Gohan" is a transformation, accessed LIKE Super Saiyan but with nearly zero drawbacks. It's not a replacement for Super Saiyan nor is it replacing his normal state. It's a power-up. The "LIMITS" that Elder Kai were talking about was his actual limits at the time; it's stronger than Super Saiyan 2, and demonstrably stronger than Super Saiyan 3. You could argue that's closer to the power of Super Saiyan 4 than any other transformation, depending on how you take GT's random-ass power scaling (Super 17 saga especially).
It's never said to be "permanent" either. Him losing it is possible if he slacks off too much (Goten and Trunks have trouble going Super Saiyan for a bit in the Tarble special because they're so rusty, for example). While it's still kind of bullshit that he slacked off THAT much in the 4 years between Buu and Frieza 2: Electrum Boogaloo, it's not impossible.
Gohan could still probably be ONE OF the strongest, but unless he puts in at least as much training as Goku and Vegeta are doing, he wouldn't beat Beerus.
OTP is Goku/Suno.
Reminder that Suno tried to stop King Piccolo on her own. Best girl.
Sorry but the anime or manga never addressed if Ultimate was permanent or not. Elder Kai only said he was going to release his potential, nothing more, nothing less.
And Tarble's special is just Toei's pandering, next time you are going to say is OP and DB's OVA has to be taking as canon when it comes to power levels.
Because in Super Trunks and Goten don't have any problems going SSJ.
Gohan only has to get back the power he has in the Ultimate form, then from there he could go Super Cyam or some form similar to the Super Cyan.
Vegeta didn't look bad in this scene at all. It's like the entire episode's budget went towards him
Goten and child Trunks was the byproduct of terrible writing, anon. No one wants to see some happy go lucky kids who can beat up bad guys without any struggle or maturity to their actions.
There are good scenes in the Greek dub. But when you have 5 actors dubbing like the entirety of everything, it's getting irritating.
>Dat electronic Vegeta voice
Holy shit that is shitty.
You have to be at relatively the same power level.
Broly's Super Sayian god is a transformation that has an ever increasing power level that is essentially the Hulk.
Everyone else is at a fixed power level
This is pretty autistic
>>No one wants to see some happy go lucky kids who can beat up bad guys without any struggle or maturity to their actions.
You're being ironic on purpose, right?
The thing about the Greek dub is that it tries its fucking hardest with the little it has available to it.
The French dub on the other hand is responsible for shit like "Space Super Warriors" and "Detector" and other terrible things.
Broly doesn't have that, doesn't work like that, and no they aren't.
Nigga, pot, kettle, since you're the one getting mad at a thing that we know literally nothing about besides it being a game and having that pic.
I don't really care much for Teen Gohan, I mostly preferred Gohan when he was in highschool. I could care less about powerlevels.
Greek dub is a gamble. The new "dub team" is terrible. There are a few shows that are good. Like world of quest, tThe dub was excellent. But when you have 10 shit to 1 good, it's terrible. The older ones are just amazing. On older shows like Igano Kabamaru, this has a cult following here. The translation is on some cases terrible, like saying the same line two times with a small pause to fill the mouth movements, or translating the line from English to Greek EXACTLY (like bat for example, they will actually say bat as an animal, and not the baseball bat)
For Dragonball a few things are good. Unfortunately the good things were here and there. Most were weird and bad
I don't think she's ever been unattractive
She hasn't been unattractive but she'll never be as good as she was during her prime.
I much prefer Videl honestly. She managed to get more mature while retaining all of her charm and beauty.
In Super Gohan is actually capable of stomping a guy that was just as strong as him at his prime(he says so).
Which means he's way stronger than when he was mystic Gohan.
Why didn't Supreme Kai give Ultimate to Goku instead? That way he could still use Kaioken and vigintuple his power.
Gohan is stronger than everyone and their mothers together, he always was and he will always be. It's pretty much his character.
>inb4 he's not
Toriyama made some powerlevels chart and Goku was 98 or so while Gohan was 100
Vegeta was 90 by the way.
The thing about Gohan is that he's very situational because of that, you can't have him shitting on everyone, so he gets that whole anger boost and his years of
>I didn't train sorry
I don't actually watch Super. I just remember her brief appearance in battle of gods.
If Toriyama really decided to butcher her character then I have even more reason to not watch Super.
>Gohan not the main character, hasn't done anything relevant since Cell
>Humans are forever fodder, how are they all even still alive?
>Piccolo always shown as the strongest non-saiyan, but still get sidelined hard
I'm fucking tired of saiyans. REALLY fucking tired of saiyans. I was hoping Toriyama would take this opportunity to expand on his universe of races, but it's looking to be another saiyan hair styling fest once again.
When Gohan went mystic and achieved ridiculous strength without the aid of his saiyan heritage, it got me hyped as fuck, but of course he got beat the shit out of not too long after.
MAKE PICCOLO FUCKING STRONG AGAIN HOLY SHIT
Chichi has always been pretty but she just gets overlooked because she has the same type of outfit every time you see her, compared to Bulma who typically has a different outfit every time you see her.
>Chichi has always been pretty
wow I was just about to post that
You're looking at best Dragon Ball right here
I prefer Android 18. She's more down to earth you know?
seriously are you me? you're posting the exact pictures I was about to post
>Sabat as Vegeta
Disgusting. Ocean dub is best dub until after the Freeza saga.
Chi chi beats bulma here
It's not really an argument. Drummond is the better villain Vegeta. It's pretty much a universal opinion.
He probably will. He's always been able to keep up with them before he became a pussy ass bitch. but I'm still not particularly fond of the God form. I've gotten used to it, but not only do I not like that it's just a color swap, but so far they've only used it with SSJ1.
Daily Reminder that Piccolo is a god and the choosen one of the Nameks
fucking choked on my food on the greek one