New to the series here. Is this just a regular magical girl show? I never saw the original but the screens made it seem like it didn't take itself too seriously, where as first episode of the new show played itself 100% straight.
>>136217423 Just like how Nurse Witch is nothing like Soul Taker and people simply treat it as a humorous spinoff? It's the same thing, but done in reverse so I don't really get the 'it's not the same' complaint.
>>136217779 It's incredibly unpolished. The potential is there, but it's like they took every 80's cliché and just cram it into this show, including the art style. I mean, the story is sound, the characters are likeable, and holy shit, you feel incredibly sorry for the MC for all the shit he's been through, but there's just no focus, battles just spontaneously happen and the story makes no sense if you actually try to think it out. (Just turn your brain off and accept the plot as it presents itself to you.) You don't really need to watch it other than for completion's sake.
>>136220829 Expecting a Tatsunoko reboot to be the same as the original is retarded I mean, Gatchaman was an actual superhero show, not about politics I think, in a way, this is a better reboot than CROWDS. I mean, the characters and magical girl stuff is still there, even if it's no longer a parody. As good as it may be by itself, you have to admit CROWDS is a Gatchaman show in name only. The outfits aren't themed after birds There's no mention of the people of the original cast (just some totally different characters with the same names) How is CROWDS a Gatchaman show?
>>136223019 No anon you stop being a retard, this isn't some spin off, it's perfectly fair to compare it to the original.
I understand what you're getting at with trying to judge it by its own merits but if the show is trying to remake something that was done previously and fails obviously people are going to complain. All the spirit from this is gone, it's actually just a magical girl anime. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>136222952 >Call it Gatchaman Crowds >Stop trying to relatie it to Science Team Gatchaman >Call it Casshern Sins >Stop trying to relate it to Robot Hunter Casshern! >Call it Yatterman Night >Stop trying to relate it to Yatterman! If it could be done with all those shows, why not this?
The original OVA is one of my favorite anime of all time ever.
This? This is shit. And the worst part is that it became literally everything that the OVA was created to make fun of and it doesn't even have the original VAs in the right roles. They can cast Momoi but not as Mugi? Why the fuck not?
I knew from the moment it was announced it was going to be like this. It's bad enough that they pick popular shows that were good and then shit on them, now they're cherrypicking more obscure shows to rape them one last time. I'm pretty sure most of the people watching anime today don't even remember Komugi, it's not like there's any nostalgiabucks to be made.
What next? Are they going to take Nuku Nuku and revive it into some shit idol drama? Maybe they'll get Galaxy Angel, strip out the comedy and turn it into a serious magical girl show.
>>136223165 >>136223190 The original OVA had the same exact cast and their respective name of the original series. That is way more of a reason to complain about the original OVA than just only the similar title that this spinoff has. That's like saying Final Fantasy is crap beyond the original because it has the same fucking title. Again, stop being a retard.
>>136224421 Again, how is Final Fantasy example any different from this one? Why the hell are you so insistent that just because it borrows the name, that it has to be completely the same. Hell, if you want to nit-picky about it, then every Gundam series beyond the first would be a travesty as well. Fumufuu should be crap compared to the original FMP, and so forth. Again, stop being a retard.
>>136224166 >>136224421 I can understand being disappointed that it wasn't like the OVAs (its a Tatsunoko remake, you should have seen this coming a long time ago anyway) but calling it shit just because its different from what you are expecting is pretty retarded desu
>>136224534 You are allowed to compare anime, but saying something that shares a title isn't the same is a fault, that's what I had a problem is. Judge it on its own merit, saying 'it's not the same' is a very poor attempt at criticism, because that explains why it's different, not why it's bad.
>>136224727 I've replied to the other anon about your point as well. See here >>136224738 If you don't like it, then say you don't like it and why. Just saying 'it's not that same as the original' is a very shallow attempt at criticism.
>>136224852 Bullshit. Futari wa is unwatchable. A possible exception would be if it was your first introduction to the series since you wouldn't know any better. This show is watchable even if you haven't seen the OVAs.
So is Crowds bad because it's totally different to Gatchaman? Is Sins bad because it's totally different to Casshern? Is YnY bad because it's way darker than classic Yatterman? Is Tekkaman Blade bad because it's different from classic Tekkaman?
It is shit though. It's shit because it's generic, dull, unfunny. People are comparing it because the right VAs are in there, but badly casted. People compare it because the original was released at a similar point in anime history when we were oversaturated with the same old same old and it took a comedic stand against it; this doesn't. This has lots to build on, it has excellent potential to be a great parody series but completely fails.
Saying that you can't compare it because it only shares the same name is like saying you can't compare a sequel or prequel of something else. It's directly related to the franchise, of course we can compare it.
It's just like Kiddy Grade and Kiddy Girl-AND all over again. Why take a genuinely good franchise with genuinely good writing and genuinely good characters and then ruin them with generic, unfunny shit?
It's bad. Bad in comparison to the OVA and bad by its own merits. We wouldn't even be having this thread if the OVA didn't exist because it would have been thrown out even faster.
>>136225031 Welcome to Tatsunoko motherfucker They took Gatchaman and made a new show without any of the original characters (just some different characters having the names of characters from the original) , none of the characterisitic bird suits and way more social commentary. How is that Gatchaman beyond the fucking name? Yet ,you don't see anyone (except extreme autits from /m/) make such an espectacle of it
>>136225218 >It's shit because it's generic, dull, unfunny. That's just your opinion, in which you are obviously just biased because it wasn't a carbon copy of the OVAs. I've been enjoying this show more than any other show this season The art is great, the CG is actually really good, the jokes are not slide spitting, yet still amusing. Girls are extremely cute. I enjoy the new VAs. While there is no CGDCT this season, this show is giving me my fix of cute stuff and more.
>>136225306 Fair enough, but expecting some similarities other than just the main character is perfectly reasonable. And as >>136225218 said and as I've said earlier even on its own merit the show is nothing spectacular which only further disappoints. And so what we're left with is an anime without anything to discuss other than how it isn't the original. I'm all for magical girl anime but if you took out the name Komugi no one would even blink an eye at this.
Complainer-kun Why are you conveniently ignoring my posts about Casshern Sins, Yatterman Night, Gatchaman CROWDS and other Tatsunoko reboots? No counterarguments? Afraid to accept that you're wrong, retard?
>>136225187 Considering it is completely different from the original, how is it fair comparing the two, spinoff/remark moniker aside? Because that's just it, somehow being labeled a remake (despite it not being similar) instead of a spinoff is somehow justification to compare it to the original instead of on its own merit. Because do you have any idea just how many remakes there are in anime? Take a look at the post above yours for some example of why 'it's not the same' is a very bad form of criticism. Different != bad.
>>136225518 Well, read some of my posts to know what CROWDS did to Gatchaman None of the original characters Completely different superhero suits NOTHIG beyond the superheroes being named "Gatchamen" is related to the orignal It has social commentary out of nowhere Or Yatterman Night Original Yatterman: Funny show about two toy maker superheroes stopping the thief gang Doronbo (Who were the original team rocket) Yatterman Night Dark show about the far descendants of the original Doronbo living in exile and suffering while Yatterman rule the world like dictators
It is bad though, even when compared to its counterparts.
Komugi-chan as an OVA was good compared to other OVAs and stood out as a comedy, it was a standout anime of 2002-2003. This version doesn't stack against any of its contemporaries and certainly isn't going to take home any 'Best of 2016' awards.
>>136225673 I wouldn't say its not generic. Its not some original masterpiece that nobody has ever seen before. You can say its generic shit I like, in the same vein that people will love space politics Gundam version X just because its space politics Gundam despite it being pretty much the same thing we've seen plenty of times. The CG does its job. The idol segments are pretty enjoyable and leagues better than something like Love Live's CG dancing. I'd have to disagree that its worse than Etotama's. I'd say its around the same. They both fully utlitize CG's strength, camerawork and consistency (when it has a good FPS, that is). I'd love to have great animated 2D idol dancing but it would just look even worse due to scheduling.
>>136226003 I'm not even comparing it with the original when I say it's boring and mediocre. If I weren't comparing it to the OVA it's just mediocre trash. If I compare it with the OVA it's just straight up shit.
The point I'm making here is that if you're going to reboot something and change it at least make it watchable instead of what we've got. Remove the nametag on it and most people would not care at all about this and it'd be swept under the rug as an extremely generic magical girl show that doesn't try anything new and lacks any competency.
>>136225737 And that's the issue here. Why are you so adamant about comparing the two? It is nothing remotely similar other than the title, how is comparing a nonsensical gag anime with zero plot and cohesion to a magical girl/idol anime with an ongoing plot and cohesion between the episodes, a valid form of comparison? Spinoff/remake/reboot/whatever, if it's not even similar, why is it fair to compare the two?
>>136226151 >It is nothing remotely similar other than the title, how is comparing a nonsensical gag anime with zero plot and cohesion to a magical girl/idol anime with an ongoing plot and cohesion between the episodes
Well that confirms it, you haven't actually watched the original, have you?
Why is everyone pretending the poorly animated and condescending OVA based on a series no one cared about, was good? If you want to be internet cool by pretending to like an 00's show with references that all go over your head, pick PPD because it's actually good.
Ironic shitty flat jokes are still shitty flat jokes, by the way.
>>136226329 >popularity means something is good DB is also a show that was popular years after it aired. Does that make it good? Naruto is also pretty old and it also has lots of fanboys. Is Naruto good?
>>136226229 IT HAS NO PLOT! The magical girl/idol of the original was a way to poke fun at anime industry/internet subculture. There were giant transforming robots everywhere, to which they can't even say their name out loud since it's clear it came from another anime. One mecha exploded because the villain spontaneously sat on the self-destruct button. It's a gag anime, nothing more, nothing less.
Those are huge franchises built on the nostalgia of literally millions of people all over the world with original source material and entire marketing teams behind them. Komugi is an obscure OVA meant for a then-tiny otaku market and has still stuck around.
Why did it stick around? Because it's good, funny and the characters are great - in both design and personality. The VAs did a great job and the OPs and EDs are classics.
It does have a plot though, and just because it's a gag anime doesn't make it inferior. Galaxy Angel is better than 90% of what comes out every year and there are still threads about it on /a/ because it's great despite being a gag anime.
>>136224166 Nukunuku already got rebooted as a more serious series. Reboot Nukunuku didn't even have a cat brain, she was created from the daughter of her creator. On the flip side, the reboot had the best OP of all the iterations.
I was about to mention that. Akio's Poyoyon designs are god-tier. This remake was practically out for the count when they decided to stick with the generic 2010 style instead.
Also, I really feel like the new VA is trying hard to be Halko but can't quite hit the mark, it's like her voice literally struggles to hit the same tones.
How to improve the series:
-Give Halko her old role back -Get Akio's Poyoyon style back, including the character designs -Stop turning Komugi into a generic genki lead and keep her old personality quirks -Ramp up the parodies -Get the old sense of humor back -Don't waste time on the tired idol trope, keep Komugi as a wannabe cosplayer instead. -Momoi/ULTRA-PRISM collaboration for the OP, or just outright bring UNDER17 back to do the OP/ED
If they did this, it'd probably be the most exciting anime in years for me. A 10/10 watch.
>>136226665 I didn't say it was inferior, I said it had no plot. Just because it's a gag anime doesn't mean it's bad. I liked the original, but I'm also not retarded enough to compared that to this one. I never even said I liked this new version more than the old version, I have my own criticism of the show, but saying it's not the same as the original is, simply put, not a very fair form of comparison.
It does have a plot though. It literally has a plot, I don't know why you think it doesn't.
You can compare any anime to any anime. Hunter x Hunter and Naruto are completely different shows, but people still compare them. The whole point of discussion is comparison; when you say a show is good or bad you're making subconcious comparisons.
There's nothing unfair about comparing it at all and the comparisons people have made have all been valid - The VAs, the character designs, the character personalities, the OP/ED etc etc.
>>136227323 New Komugi isn't completely generic. She didn't want to be a magical girl initially and only became one after Usa-P took advantage of her, and this episode she wanted to eat her lunch before going to fight the monster. The Poyoyon thing is debatable due to the changes in Akio Watanabe's art style, but it still feels like his style. Hell, the outfit on the new antagonist in the OP is Poyoyon as fuck. It certainly would have been much better if he was directly doing the animation designs, though, Grisaia looked great and his Monogatari work is still top-tier. Etotama had the same issue, the designs were clearly Watanabe but due to the readaptation by another artist they weren't quite as good as they could have been.
>>136227553 It's less of the actual comparison I'm speaking against, it's the 'it's not the same' argument that I'm trying to dismiss. Something different doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. So, it's less reliant on gags and lambasting the anime/otaku, doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I judge things on its own merit, not on how different it is from its predecessor. It's not good, but it's really not as bad as people make it out to be.
And the plot is utterly meaningless whose sole purpose is to introduce virus monsters to lambast the industry and to combine transforming robots, which have absolutely nothing to do with being Nurse Witch. Seriously, it has no plot, it's a gag itself to provide scenarios for even more gags. Don't make Nurse Witch any deeper than what it actually is. A gag anime.
>>136228023 Well yeah. Original just laughed at the industry as a whole while this one just pokes fun at it as it does its own thing. Hence why I try not to compare the two too much, they were created for different purposes and audiences after all.
That's still a plot, just because you think it's silly doesn't mean it's not a plot.
Look at Soul Eater, that just used the manga's plot to set up something completely different. Doesn't mean it doesn't have a plot.
If you compare the individual elements of Komugi OVA to Komugi R the results are the same - the voice acting of the original is better. The character designs of the original are better. The music is better, the comedy is better.
>>136228860 >>'Usa-P' (Mugimaru) used Komugi in the original too. Well yeah, but how does that affect the point being made about new Komugi not being a fully "generic genki girl"? To be honest, it's been years since I last watched the OVAs. I really should get on that at some point, along with a rewatch of The SoulTaker.
As said before, the people defending R haven't actually watched the original, they're just pretending they do.
Remember when Kiddy Girl-AND came out? Most people who watched it had never seen Kiddy Grade and got all defensive when people who had watched Kiddy Grade were annoyed and disappointed. They didn't like the idea that someone was disliking something they liked.
A few months later, the series ended and everyone watched Kiddy Grade anyway. Quickly after the common zeitgeist on the boards became 'Wow Kiddy Girl-AND is a disappointment'.
It happens constantly every time a series gets remade. People who haven't watched the original get defensive that what they like could be inferior and pretend that they've seen the original without realizing they're making comments that prove how obvious it is that they haven't seen it at all.
>>136228860 And why exactly are you so insistent on comparing the two? If the comedy in the new one is bad, then just say so. As it had already been mentioned multiple times, the two aren't similar. The two are created for entirely different purpose and for entirely different audience. The original used the idol and magical girl 'plot' to laugh at it, the new one plays it straight. Treat it as a new entity that simply homages the old series, why is there even a need for comparison? Keep repeating that it's a remark/reboot/spinoff/whatever doesn't make it any less logical to keep comparing the two very noticeable different series.
>>136229622 I never did finish Girl-AND because it felt like it lost track of itself in the second half, but the only complaints I remember back when it was airing were regarding the lack of Eclair and Lumiere and the fact that Ascoeur's design was completely changed between the pilot video and the actual show (admittedly, her original design probably wouldn't have worked with her personality in the TV version, and she certainly was cute, but I still feel that her original design was superior). Did they ever reveal what happened to Eclipse? My intuition was that she'd been able to body-transfer and became D-air, but that was more of a random guess based on D-air's powers than anything else.
>>136230118 Wasn't she trying to make it as an idol? I distinctly remember all the other SoulTaker girls being part of an idol agency run by that one lady from SoulTaker who was trying to use the alien to pursue her own goals.
Komugi was already a cosplay idol, she had her own agency. The whole point is that she's struggling and hates otaku, that's kind of the funny twist that sets up the comedy for the rest of the episodes.
>>136230317 Did you just drop it in the first half? Sure, it started off as cute girls + shapeshifting Wakamoto and hijinks, but then Geacht'er started killing people with blood-sucking roses and it actually developed a plot.
This one is bad, there are still good magical girl series and there are still good magical girl parodies in the last few years.
The problem with Komugi-R is that it's trying to borrow too much from the original OVA while trying to make it marketable to the modern audience who don't quite understand parody shows and sharper humour.
It's failing for the same reason so many series fail - trying to hit too many targets instead of focusing on one thing and being good at it.
>>136230118 But why is there a need for comparison? If its bad on its own, then just say it's bad. Saying stuff like it wasn't as funny as the original or the original had better VA is an unfair comparison.
The original was created to laugh at the magical girl/idol/otaku subculture while the new one plays it straight. Kumugi and the rest of the other idol/actress constantly debase each other and their work while lambasting the worst side of Otakus. New version has them looking at idol as a genuinely respectful profession and has each other supporting each other. The old one a gag anime, with giant transforming combining robots, biker gangs, walking memes and the MC dying and resurrection as a gag, new one seems to be playing the magical girl stuff as straight as possible, with an actual plot progression. Original was made for the people who can laugh at themselves and idols, the new one is made for idol fans. Original is a gag anime, new one is an affectionate parody. Do you honestly think the anime fanbase has not change over the decade? Old fans laugh at the idols and their fanatic fans, the new ones are those said fans.
>Komugi wasn't an idol, she was a cosplayer. wut? I mean, seriously, did you miss all the scenes where her managers try to get her projects as an idol?
>>136230489 > the modern audience who don't quite understand parody shows and sharper humour. I don't quite see how audiences now are any less able to understand parody shows than audiences ten years ago. Humor hasn't changed significantly in that period of time, and there were plenty of shows from that period of time that were bad/had too many tired cliches/etc.
>>136230585 > cliched I don't remember many shows from that time period that used lesbian kisses for power-ups. Though you'd probably consider that part of the tryhard/forced aspect, meant to appeal to the yuri audience. I also thought showing the aftermath of the overthrowing of the rich/ruling elite on some of the planets that occurred in the first series was a nice touch. Anime that involves that sort of stuff doesn't often touch on what can happen to those not responsible for but related to the oppression once the oppression is removed or how such revolutions don't magically make everything better.
>>136230946 >why should I compare a latter series based off an original which was much better than what the latter turned into Are you just the dumbest motherfucker around? It's obviously going to be compared if it's not an original on it's own and based off an earlier series of the same name.
>>136231352 And that's why it's so retarded. It's trying to be its own thing but people kept saying how different it is from the original, when that's the whole point. It's not trying to be a gag anime that laughs at the otakus and the anime industry, it's an affectionate parody with magical girls and idols and plays it straight. It's suppose to be different with homages to its predecessor. If it's bad on its own, then it's bad on its own. There's no need to say it's not like the original when they were never aiming for that in the first place.
>>136231496 It's like trying to compare Casshern and Casshern Sins, or Gatchaman and Gatchaman Crowds, or Yatterman and Yoru no Yatterman though that last one was technically a far-future sequel to an AU where the Yatterman were eventually defeated by Dokurobey.
>>136231550 >implying no one ever botherd to compare those series Except comparisons were obviously made between those series. It's only natural because they're based off a previous work that people would compare them.
>>136231800 No one said it has to be exactly like the series it shares a name with. It's because the new formula is completely shit that they're saying it should've been exactly like the series it shares a name with. Get some reading comprehension you stupid fucking nigger.
>>136231768 No, not really. The plot was a mess and the later half relied too much on 'twist' and deus ex machina. Character designs are amazing and the setting is interesting, but it was like a series of one plot twist to another instead of a coherent story. Not saying it was bad, but it most certain wasn't the 'GOAT' anime as some fans like to make it out to be.
>>136231847 The new formula isn't completely shit, though. It's not doing anything that hasn't been done before, but it's also not terrible and does still have some potential while acknowledging the series it originated from without trying to be exactly the same. As it stands, I'll wait and see how the antagonist turns out before finalizing my opinion given the show is still in its introductory phase.
>>136231962 It's being compared to the predecessor precisely because it's trying to change the formula but all that results in is that it's inferior to it's predecessor. That's why it's being compared.
You can't expect people not to compare a new series to an old series when the new series is BASED OFF the old series.
It's exactly because it's related to the old series that isn't being compared.
This not only applies to anime but every fucking thing in general that is previously based off something else. There will ALWAYS be comparisons between new and old.
>>136232086 It is inferior to the old one so in relation, yes it's shit. The first episode of the original is already more entertaining than the first 2 episodes of the new one. It's not going to get better.
>>136232086 >I'll wait and see how the antagonist turns out Also, it only got better when they started copying magical maid koyori, which goes to prove that they should've stuck to the original formula.
>>136232089 Because they're trying to do its own thing. Other than the names and the background information, the new series is trying to not be the original. I understand why people want to compare the two, but when it is clear the new series is going to do something different, it's not a fair comparison. It's not as funny as a gag anime: ok, it was never trying to be. The VA aren't as good the old one: well no shit, it's not the same VA, you can't expect the same quality from two different people. And so forth. If I want to compare it to something, I'll compare it to another actual magical girl &/or idol show, not to something that just laughs at the premise of them. I know they share the same name, but other than that, there're nothing alike, so any attempts at comparison will automatically succeed, because, surprise surprise, they're two different shows.
>>136232338 >it's trying to be different so you're not allowed to compare it >despite it being based off a previous series of the same name This is the dumbest fucking shit I've ever read.
If you don't want it to be compared to the old series you shouldn't have based it off the old series. It doesn't matter if it's different or not, the fact that it has the same name and is based off the previous series is reason enough to compare it.
>>136232532 If it was trying to be the exact same thing as the old series, then you have a point. But they're not. They don't want a gag anime, they want a magical girl/idol anime. If the two series are almost nothing alike, then why am I trying so hard to compare the two? You can, but it would be a waste of time since it's obvious the two series are different from each other, since that's the point.
>>136232752 >If the two series are almost nothing alike, then why am I trying so hard to compare the two? Because it's based off the original. It's as simple as that. You just refuse to accept a comparison because you just can't accept the new series being shit compared to the old one.
It doesn't matter if they're aiming to be different series, you can still compare the parts that make them up. You can compare OPs from two completely different series, you can compare VAs from two completely different series.
You're using 'gag anime' like it's a genre. Komugi OVA might have been a parody, but that doesn't mean it wasn't still a mahou shoujo series. Comedy is comedy and both shows are trying to be comedic; one is failing and the other isn't.
>>136232640 Because that would have required Tatsunoko to pay a veteran voice actor for a main role with lots of lines every episode and this also allows them to advertise the new VAs in main roles. And can Ohtani even do her Koyori voice anymore?
>>136232640 Because they're not trying to recreate the original, they're trying to do its own thing. Hiring the old VA when they changed the character's design around and doing its own thing would be counter-productive to that goal.
>>136232704 And Evangelion and Gurren Lagann are both mecha shows, doesn't mean it's fair to compare the two. Made for a different purpose and different audience in mind. Original Kumugi is a gag anime, it's entire point is to make jokes and lambast the industry, the new Kumugi is an affectionate parody about magical idols and pokes fun at the industry. One can use transforming robots because the entire premise is absurd, the other one is trying to play the magical girl premise as straight as possible and will most likely not feature the Comiket building transforming into a giant robot. They're two different anime here, anon.
That's exactly what is happening. She's trying to imitate Haruko Momoi's voice and failing, yet Momoi herself is casted as Komugi's mother.
It's a complete failure in the VA department. They have Komugi's original VA in the cast yet have chosen someone else to do the job. Not only that, the person they have chosen is just trying and failing to imitate Momoi. It's ridiculous.
>>136232824 You can compare the two, but as I said already, what's the point. Of course the two are different, that's the whole point. It's not trying to be like the original OVA, so comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. No shit they're different.
>>136232914 One laughs at the concept of mahou shoujo, the other plays it straight. Yes, both features them, but they're doing completely different things with them.
>>136233091 >what's the point >hay guys why do people compare things ever? >what's the point of comparison guise? this is no longer about comparing the 2 series, this stupid mother fucker is asking what's the point of comparison in everything ever?
>>136233091 >comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges Apples and oranges are 2 completely different things. The latter and former has 0 relation to each other. Nurse witch komugi magikarte and nurse witch komugi R are not. The latter is based on the former, it means THEY'RE RELATED. See the difference you retard?
>Hiring the old VA when they changed the character's design around and doing its own thing would be counter-productive to that goal.
They did hire the old VA though.
>And Evangelion and Gurren Lagann are both mecha shows, doesn't mean it's fair to compare the two.
Yes it does, and people do it all the time. Do you shitpost in every Madoka/Eva thread too?
You can compare lots of things; the OSTs, the OP/EDs, the character depth, the character designs, plot execution, animation quality, comedy, character authenticity, mecha design, background artwork...there's plenty to compare.
>Original Kumugi is a gag anime, it's entire point is to make jokes and lambast the industry
Stop using 'gag anime' as though it's a genre. It's not. Komugi OVA was still a mahou shoujo. You can still be a mahou shoujo whilst parodying the genre, look at Moetan or Kaitou Tenshi Twin Angel.
>>136233171 >>136233251 Not sure how many times I said it already. Of course you can compare the two, but what's the point? It wasn't trying to be a 100% recreation of the original in the first place. It's more of a fair comparison to other magical girls &/or idols than to the original. Other than the name, it's just trying to do its own thing. Judge it to other anime of its peers is a more fair comparison than to its predecessor to which it has almost nothing in common with other than the name. Again, not saying you can't, but it's a waste of time.
>>136233131 And the original features giant transforming combining robot. That's kind of a huge difference between the two.
>>136233398 > Twin Angel That didn't really parody the genre, though. It wasn't a serious show and focused mostly on the comedic elements, but it still played out most of the tropes pretty straight. And with Moetan, it was more a matter of parodying the magical sidekicks rather than the genre as a whole.
>>136233398 But not in her original role. They're not trying to do the original Kumugi here.
And you can compare a lot of things, no one is saying you can't here. I'm saying it's more fair to compare two similar things. If you want to compare the new Kumugi to the old, then you can't. I'm not saying you can't. I'm saying it's more fair to the new series to compare it to other magical girl/idol series that plays it straight.
>>136233091 >comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges >implying apples and oranges have the same name Your analogy is completely wrong. Just because you can pull some nonsense out your ass doesn't mean it makes for a good argument.
I can agree that they're trying to do something different, but the problem here is that they didn't commit to it entirely and kept too many elements from the old series. In the end it comes out as a shitty continuation instead of something that can really stand on its own, like the other Tatsunoko reboots.
Also, the director has another show this season and the animation for both episodes was actually outsourced, so you can kind of tell how much they care.
>>136235715 He's just a dumbass nigger who doesn't want to admit his inferior series is shit. He doesn't even know the difference between comparing these 2 series and comparing apples and oranges and can only repeat his broken logic when so many people already proved him wrong.
>>136238674 Sure, you can say that. The comparison with the old show is however not an attribute of the show itself but it's a thing in the viewer. First lets take the show as it is without any knowledge about its heritage. It's a somehow okayish magical girl show, nothing special, nothing really horrible. Now you take the old OVA into account, the fact that this is a remake, and you compare. Now, without anything about the current show changing your opinion about the show worsens, you view the exact same thing under a much more negative light. So in the end it's a pure psychological effect, a mental filter, that makes you perceive a show worse than you would have perceived it without that knowledge and comparison. So by focusing on the comparison you lower your possible enjoyment of the show purely in your own mind. It's not that anything about the show itself changes that would make it less enjoyable to watch, it's really just in your head. There's nothing wrong in acknowledging that the show doesn't fare well if compared to the older show, but that's a purely relative assessment, and there is no need to focus on that. You could as well say "okay, I'll probably enjoy this more if I don't compare it to the old show all time" and then do exactly that. Of course it's all up to you how you view and watch your anime, just do us a favor and drop the show soon, so future threads don't have to deal with so much meta-discussion anymore.
>>136240359 >It's a somehow okayish magical girl show So far it compares poorly to every season of Precure except maybe Max Heart. And those aren't spectacularly high standards. Even the 3DCG is worse than modern Precure.
OVA is making fun of generic magical girls shows and idols. Reboot is exactly the thing old OVA was making fun off.
What could possibly go wrong?
Also I have watched R before OVA without any knowledge or bias towards it. On it's own it's just bad magical girl show. It tries to make fun off other MG shows like precure or CCS, but it's more annoying than funny. It's bad, bland and boring both on it's own and when compared to the OVA.
Honestly I don't remember the OVAs but so far this is a so so mahou shoujo. I know it's hard to make something in the genre these days but this is going to be one of those anime you forgot you watched.
>>136235715 >>136236129 Amazing, I haven't even said the new series is good, and everyone assumes I've defending it because I like it. I'm saying just because it's different from the original doesn't mean it's automatically shit. Different != bad. If it's bad, then it's bad. Not sure how many times i have to repeat this because everyone keeps jumping on the comparing part and not the other half of my argument where I said being different should not be a con. As for the VA, she's uneven in her execution but saying she doesn't sound the same as the original is not a con while saying her voice doesn't fits the role does. Because there's a clear difference between the two criticism. And seriously, I have been giving out examples throughout my posts, repeatedly, while you have not. At this point, you're the one that's more likely that hasn't watched the original and just trying to start a shitstorm. But if you want, one of the support cast was not originally part of the same idol agency that Komugi belongs to. She changed in a later episode.
>>136254948 Soultaker is even worse than this. At least in R, you can see what's happening No such luck with Soultaker 90% of the time When you watch Soultaker, 90% of the time it's no different than staring at your monitor when it's turned off
>>136225080 I watched Futari wa. It wasn't very good, but it wasn't THAT bad. The thing is it just wasn't Milky Holmes, like at all. I feel like it was worth watching so I could enjoy hem being the butt of so many jokes in that new season, which was actually much more Milky and even a bit Holmesy.
>>136260697 Not him but Futari Wa may as well be the worst anime I've ever watched thanks to that shitty looped piano OST that haunts you for the whole serie alone. Everything else was so bland and dull even an actually bad anime like a generic shonen is better because at least there you can laugh at the bad stuff. Futari wa is just dull and boring, staring at a gray wall for 2 hours would have been a better experience.
Don't get me started on that retarded and somehow still boring finale.
>>136266406 It's fucking obvious with monogatari (though he only does the anime designs, VOFAN does the originals). I didn't realize it for Pretty Rhythm until I saw pic related (though I don't really watch the show, so I probably would have noticed it earlier if I saw more of the art).
>>136268071 I probably wouldn't realize it with this one if I hadn't been primed to check the mouths, for whatever reason those seem to be one of the most recognizable features of his designs even when they've been adapted by others. The eyes here don't quite match up with his usual, and this sort of blush isn't unique to his style.
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