So guys. Listen to this shit for a bit.
Everyone is saying how SSJB Goku is the strongest transformation ever. And it's probably true.
BUT.. SSJ4 Goku at GT is A LOT stronger than both Whis and Beerus.
I mean if we say that Beerus is a 200 in power. And that Goku SSJ3 is a 1 (0.5% of Beerus) in comparison to him. Normal Goku in GT is as strong as SSJ3 Goku of Z. So if we put the multipliers Goku SSJ4 becomes a 4000 while Beerus is a 200.
SSJ4 is stronk guys.
Raw power means nothing compared to a God.
Becoming a God isn't just an increase in speed and strength, it's a literal physical upgrade. Your body grows slimmer and more streamlined, your senses are amplified to the very sounds of the universe, and your power becomes hidden. You become faster than what physical law allows.
It doesn't matter how strong SSJ4 is, SS4 Goku wouldn't be able to lay a finger on Beerus because he wouldn't be able to sense Beerus's deity level power.
To beat a God you need to BE a God. That's what makes Toriyama's canon continuation series so much better than GT's universe.
Except for Super. Super is shit.
Goku's god powers are only awakened when he transforms into Super Saiyan Blue. In Super, he was in his base form when the laser hit.
Retcons and inconsistencies aside, the laser is not longer an issue.
There is another inconsistency brought by super, he should have regenerated from that in the first place.
Beerus punched a hole through his chest when he was SSJGod and he recovered from it mid-battle.
His guard was up, his defense was at maximum, and he was powered up to God level.
Goku in the Frieza scene was literally in the same state he is when he's eating a bag of chips. Frieza was down for the count, Goku got cocky, and the laser didn't even kill him. It really isn't an issue.
came here to call you a faggot. your non canon furfag fetish of a form is shit and couldnt even stand toe to toe with SSJG let alone the GOD of DESTRUCTION, and Whis who is actually more masculine than Mr. Pink Fur, red eyeliner up there.
>SSJ1: Hair changes, eye color changes
Everybody likes it
>SSJ2: Hair changes slightly
Everybody's okay with it
>SSJ3: Hair changes, eye changes
Everybody likes it
>SSJG: Hair changes, eye color changes, body shape is altered slightly
''REEE FUCKING RECOLOR''
>SSJB: Hair changes, eye color changes
''REEEEE RECOLOR AGAIN FUCKING TORIYAMA''
That's because you're retarded. How can you not like the simplistic beauty of God mode. He's a god so the idea of him needing to being a hulked up ape man is pointless... and pretty fucking gay. Plus the aura is gorgeous.
You do realize that even if Goku SSJ3 is 0.1% of Beerus.. Goku SSJ4 is still stronger? Vegeta, with his angrer SSJ still managed to phase Beerus and forced him into 10%. He had nothing Godly about him at that point.
SSJ4 is such a ridiculous power up that he would mop over "gods". His power is on a completely different dimension. To the point of SSJ3 being puny and insignificant. SSJ4 along with the massive power up, provides eyesight that can spot objects from Earth to outer space with ease, insane level of adaptive powers (he was immune to electricity, heat that is as hot as the sun, and extreme frost after being hit once by them).
Also yeah. SSJB provides a far bigger multiplier. I don't deny that. But SSJ4 at GT was STILL stronger.
>SSJ4 is such a ridiculous power up that he would mop over "gods". His power is on a completely different dimension. To the point of SSJ3 being puny and insignificant. SSJ4 along with the massive power up, provides eyesight that can spot objects from Earth to outer space with ease, insane level of adaptive powers (he was immune to electricity, heat that is as hot as the sun, and extreme frost after being hit once by them).
Yeah Goku has always been a fucking idiot, he's so strong but he'll literally lower his power level enough after a fight to get backstabbed by some low ranking grunt's laser gun. Shit would never happen to Vegeta.
>people actually think this shit is cool
dbfags are a laughing stock
Anon, I might blow your mind here, but how about
no new transformation, and actually make the fights based on the characters outsmarting the enemy and cooperating using the absurdly high powers they already have? Oh, and certainly don't just completely reset half of them so they can't collaborate in any way whatsoever despite the fact that they could before.
And even then, hell, anything would be better than this. Super is seriously the lowest quality saga ever in DB.
The Vegeta example doesn't really work. Beerus clearly didn't expect Vegeta to attack from such close range. If Beerus had risen his guard before Vegeta attacked, it likely wouldn't have been so effective.
Dragon Ball isn't shit. It's fanbase may consist of cancerous mexicans, but It's one of the only shonen I've read that isn't dull, lifeless and predictable. I can't even pretend to hate Dragon Ball.
GT and Super are bad though.
What Dragon Ball Super should have been...
A "Super Charged" version of Dragon Ball, it inspired a tonne of manga and anime, many of which have exceeded Z in terms of action, it would have been nice to see Dragon Ball Super take from those that it influenced. Get rid of the inconsistencies and just tell a good, well constructed story without the shit, have some slice of life episodes, flesh out the characters and make it goofy, action packed and suspenseful.
The Super we got was just a massive let down, dunno what it is but it's just fucking bland.
>Faggots judging DBS before it has even started
>SSJ 4 Goku
>SSJ 4 Vegeta
stupid and contrived
>SSJ 4 Baby Vegeta
worst, most laughable design ever
why is Frieza strong again??????? th eliteral race of who's whos?? whatever.
Not really a good excuse.
Goku should have known there was another ki there, he's been training for long enough to pick up on shit like that. He also deflected Freeza's lasers with one hand, he was relaxed and remained unfazed, you didn't see any lasers going through his hands did you? Nope. Cause the guy had built himself up to be a shit brick-house.
It's just a shit show.
Make room for the strongest in the universe you fucking plebs.
>Goku should have known there was another ki there, he's been training for long enough to pick up on shit like that.
Stronger Than Goku Koala was hiding his Ki
>He also deflected Freeza's lasers with one hand, he was relaxed and remained unfazed, you didn't see any lasers going through his hands did you? Nope. Cause the guy had built himself up to be a shit brick-house.
His Ki was up at the time, dumb bitch
It's really not that hard to comprehend.
>Stronger Than Goku Koala was hiding his Ki
...then why use a scouter? ki control was something vegeta discovered on earth by goku. it was implied freeza's forces were strong but didn't possess much in the way of ki control.
>His Ki was up at the time, dumb bitch
sure thing... i remember seeing the aura and everything when he hit them away... oh wait, there was no aura so there was no increase in ki.
if a guy has god ki, then surely he can sense his surroundings, it's just poor writing on part of the show and stupid way to try and build suspense. its sad that people are defending this shit.
Anon, you're losing too much blood from all those periods
Shit's for people who can't detect Ki. It's like how wheelchairs are for people who can't walk.
>must mean Ki is on or off
no shit. so if freeza's squad are using them, they mustn't be able to control or sense ki. goku can, he doesn't have a scouter, he's been sensing ki for a long time now so surely he should have sensed everything in his surroundings.
So then, how did Goku sense Vegeta when Super Buu was infront of him with gohan absorbed? Vegeta was relaxed and by your logic, buu should have been a powerhouse of ki and vegeta by comparison, miniscule. it's just shit writing through and through.
> they mustn't be able to control or sense ki
Nice assumptions. Vegeta used a scouter too and he could control his Ki just fine.
>Vegeta was relaxed and by your logic
Relaxed =/= your ki is off. You have to consciously lower it. It's like breathing in a way.
fuck you want a compliment on your shitty gt so had? Ssj4 looked cooler than ssjg/b. But the idea and concept and execution and effect of it was a 200 in retardation (.5% of giru and pan)
Why are faggots still talking about Dragon Ball in general?...Super is fucking total shite, the new movies were total shite...Toriyama should of never came out of obscurity, and remained a distant memory...he can't write his fucking way out of a wet paper bag, a bunch of spick kids can remember more details about his creation than he can, hes a total fucking hack.
Normal Goku in GT is as strong as SSJ3 Goku in the Buu Saga.
Normal Goku in Super, after absorbing God Ki, is much stronger than Goku SSJ3 post-Buu Saga. He knocks out a big energy blast from Beerus, while the later holding back much more power defeated SSJ3 with a slap.
Basic SSJ is still a power up on top of that, and SSJGSS/SSJB is an even greater power.
>Goku should have known there was another ki there
The laser ring wouldn't have any ki since it's a weapon, not a living being. And the user of the ring wouldn't be able to damage even a relaxed Goku with his own power.
Syn shenron use a piece of sharp metal (the face of a clock) as weapon to take advantage of the fact Goku was blind after being slashed in the eyes by another dragon's long fingernails. Goku used his sharp sense or ear to avoid the attack.
So GT Goku is vulnerable to people with long fingernails, old clocks and and ice.
Meanwhile superman doest even blink when bullets bounce off of his eyes.
Vegeto is as strong as Super Saiyan 4 Goku.
Beerus is laughably stronger than Vegeto, not even Goku thought fusion would beat him.
Beerus is stronger than Super Saiyan 4.
Majin Pooh will win this. He's been through shit Goku could never dream of.
Have you WATCHED GT? I'll forgive you if you haven't, it's very hard to sit through, but if you need a refresher, Super Saiyan 4 Goku gives a downright awful performance several times.
Fighting Monkey Trouble Baby, he gets hurt when a building falls on him.
Super 17, he's EVEN DUMBER than in Super and RoF because he keeps spamming ki blasts against THE THING THAT ABSORBS KI.
Mole Shenron, has trouble lifting a city block.
GT a shit and for pedos.
>How can you not like the simplistic beauty of God mode
Because we're not simple minded idiots or 3rd graders.
SSJ blue is a pleb test, and guess what, you passed!
>literally a just gust of wind a pidgeot could do to power up
>worst, most laughable design ever
Do you seriously not remember the Super 17 fight? Where Goku, being the only one who is strong enough to stop him (because hurrdurr Goku Time), actually acts OUT OF CHARACTER and spams ki blasts nonstop (you know, like Vegeta) even though it's painfully clear they're doing jack shit?
To top it off the whole fight looks worse than Super's most QUALITY episodes.
>SSJ4 is literally what would happen if you asked a 10 year old to give Goku a new form
>not a simple minded idiot
I'm sorry, but you are. The best part of SSJG is that it's so simple, yet the actual finer details add a lot. He gets thinner, he becomes taller, his eyes light up, and the flame aura all create an extremely effective design. If you think a fucking gorilla in make-up not even designed by Toriyama is a good thing, then you're a delusional child.
All those 6 new character designs look so uninspired holy fuck
Literally something you'd except out of a fanfic game about dragonball
Also the power levels vary so much it's not even funny, Super Cyan Goku is worth like 10,000 Piccolos
>and he wasn't in his god form
holy shit, DBSfags
Spics came from Russian mongoloids, you retard.
>being a racist spic
When did I say otherwise you little daft fuck?
Reminder that Base Kid Goku has better feats and implied feats than SSJ3 Goku in Buu saga.
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I can't even stress how much 'everything' it has. Click the links at the top of the page and it even has cardass scans and vintage rips from video games including sprites and music. It has like 90% of printed dragon ball content that's published in a book format(that's a Dragon Ball based book) <- to say the least.
Maybe because all super saiyan transformations are just powered up versions of the same form, whereas super saiyan god is supposed an entirely new transformation, even using a different type of energy.
but his base power, without any ki usage at all, without any energy but his own muscles, can obliterate a solar syste, and cannot be pierced by anything. Back in the saiyan saga, when he was at one trillionth the power and completely incapacitated in a hospital, his skin was too tough to be pierced by extremely high grade needles.
Both forms are deviant art tier. One is a pink furry flaming faggot and the other is an epic recolor and completely unoriginal.
ITT pick your poison
This guy is the only one who gets it >>136201438
you got so much wrong. goku has been surpassing gods through training alone. he prides himself as just a normal saiyan, that through hard work and effort can surpass even a god. thats why ssjg was such a shit thing to bring into dbz. instead of working for his power hes given it through some lame ass ritual for free.
Training with gods. Not just training alone. He needs special couches to teach him.
Since Vegeta also trains but lacks god couches on his corner.
Also, Goku has not surpassed Beerus.