Humans must be eliminated /a/. Will you join Helck in his campaign?
In hope of summoning rello I guess.
Sage still. Let's try this again later, it's not like he would get up in the dead of night and start dumping for us or anything.
We're lacking virgin sacrifies for the ritual
Reminder that alternate future Vamirio killed Helck.
Anne from management will save him this time
>stranded on the Island like young Vamirio
>knows a lot about Helck and what he may become
>talks in a manner that has her already know potential future outcomes/or talks from experience
>looks exactly like Vamirio except older
You missed all the right clues that made people suspect to begin with
> smells like management girl according to Piuy
> has a bigger Piuy
> looks like management girl according to Helck
Welp, I thought it was Piuys mom or something.
No wonder it confused the fuck out of me how when she called him "Smaller Piuy"
I'm so conflicted, I want Helck to be with Vamirio but that would mean the archer girl will be left alone.
Why doesn't Azudora just make a contract that stops Helck from getting hurt from the winged soldiers?
Why could Helck beat up the bandit king guy in the orc country when he's under tournament contract and can't hurt outsiders?
But haven't you noticed?
Witch's hair isn't Vamirio's color, rather it's Alicia's. Hell even the facial structure is more similar to Alicia's. The chances that they combine to form the perfect waifu aren't nil.
Stop being racist, not all demons look alike.
Teleport gate accident causing time travel.
Helck and V...Anne are currently in the present, right? As in the same present as everybody else? Because if not... what if... it's not the witch who time traveled, but those two who are currently in the future?
Where Azudora seeing their indicator on the map move is a red herring. Because once time travel is involved, "the same time" can happen whenever.
Island witch is second to last form for her. She is shown to age since her flask back shows her as a loli.
You know Azudora managed to teleport shit to them right?
Unless you're saying any powerful mage can send things to the future openly and time travel, which is absolutely fucking retarded.
He pried open the existing gate just enough to dump a few trinkets through while nearly killing himself. So no, it's just your reading comprehension that's absolutely fucking retarded.
No King is Alicia from alternate future where Helck married Vamirio instead of her so she goes all out to destroy all demons since one of them stole her love away. No other way to explain the King's hate for demons.
Azudora seems like the kind of guy that an author makes you love and then is killed withour mercy. I can see him dying telling his subordinates to not hate humans and regreting not being able of being friends with them once again, with a sad flashback with his humans friends of the distant past and the two demons kings that were killed, after that all of them would receive him in the afterlife with a smile.
I can also see him giving away his life force to make a magic contract that would free the winged humans or at least saving them from dying once that the king/Rafaed/the mist magician is defeated. For dramatic effect all his plants would grow as trees with flowers all over the empire.
Shika means deer and sango means coral... like some kind of deer with coral antlers. And as you know, coral multiply by cloning, which could imply future clones of I got nothing.
But maybe the island ruins are familiar to Anne because the fate of the continent and the Empire are to be shattered and flooded, so the natives are all that are left of a greater civilization.
The deep end, or the REAL end?!
Dialing it back, I theorize the human king is based on Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven. Which is why he has a thematically appropriate army of angels. Not for a deep reason, just for the fun movie title referencing.
He used the same path the other gate did.
He still created a small gate.
If he were to create another gate by himself in another place, it would only lead to another location, it would still have the same qualities the larger one that teleported Helck and Anne had.
But sure, keep reading and you'll enjoy seeing your stupid theory go down.
So where does the whole time-travelling thing come?
>Dialing it back, I theorize the human king is based on Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven.
Now that's better.
But I seriously want to know who he is under that mask. Because lets face it, if you manage to live while still having a sword deep in your forehead, then you definitively are not human.
>So where does the whole time-travelling thing come?
From management girl and faraway island witch might be related, to they might be the same person, to other time travelling shenanigans
What if Rello was actually Rello from future, and thats how he was able to deliver all those translations so fast?
But he was really old when he finished his work, and died from old age yesterday? ;_;
Good god, you're dumb. Are you that same idiot who said
>Are you guys ignoring the fact that Vamirio is a demon and is old as fuck?
>How can the witch be the older her?
Because you have a problem grasping any logic that goes from point A to B.
Remember, it's not a working teleportation gate unless there's an exit to somewhere. The "path" is kind of an important component. If we go by your caveman semantics, it is technically the path that's being pried open with a new gate. But just because somebody can build an entrance doesn't mean they can freely build a tunnel to anywhere.
If that metaphor is too hard, let me try it in what's probably your native tongue: "Ook-ook, ugh ugh. Can make hole but not always go where want. Grok mad!"
Alright. I'll just spoil you now.
There's no time travel. Once Helck and Anne-chan (from Management) are located on Azudora's map, he sends a flying subordinate who meets up and joins them.
I'm not the one implying a teleportation magic can induce time travelling.
And the original gate was a failed try, it teleported them to a random location, Vamirio said so herself.
There you go for your stupid and pathetic theory.
I do not know why you all hope for time travel shenegaiens, they are usually the worst and rely on time travel paradoxes that never can be fully solved, this would mean always to end this story with lose ends.
If she somehow got thrown into the past and lived so many years on the island to wait for her on arrivel she could instead have gone with her poer to the kingdom and search out the brothers as kids and bring them to the empire or the island.
This would have saved everyone, but instead I am supposed to believe the most rational and intelligent character of the story sofar would simply waste time on the island after everything that happend.
Could be an inherited trait in the family.
What if she escaped to an alternative universe to escape Helck and save her Kingdom from ultimate destruction because she's the trigger to Helcks downfall.
The witch is at least as old as Azudora, if not older.
Maybe what she said about Helck is not due to time travel shenaningans but because she has dealt with Heroes before. Who may or may not have caused the destruction of the previous world, and she regconises Helck is a hero.
It could be entirely possible that Heroes in this world has a deeper root than simply being a power deep within each human, may even be evil.
The witch also insisted on Vermilio having Piuy. Considering that her name is a reference to the Vermilion Phoenix, perhaps Piuy is a phoenix and Vermilio's race, of which the witch is a part of has phoenix companions as a tradition.
It is unclear whether the Witch is blood related to Vermilio or not, we will just have to wait.
>look the same but older
>has an older birdie with her
Basically they turned back to their time when they went into the storm.
They clearly said they were going back to where they came from and just tought they were wrong.
Well Vamirio-chan is an elf and comparing her to other elfs of her kind she short and not developed as a women as all.
This indicates that she is still rather young for her elf race and from her physical state we could assume she might be in an early teen stage of her race.
You know that this>>136198431
and this >>136198407
mean all your little time travel theories sofar are baseless.
Considering her age you all also have to keep in mind there is a reason why a fairly young looking men like Azudora calls her name with chan.
Just like the guy that replied to you first said.
But led me add that you want to imply Shikango can navigate through timelines?
Smae looks can still be aggravated to race or family.
If I remember correctly the birdies even said they were brotehrs.
What? How isn't going the way they went bring them back to the main continent? The Coral Deer travels between the Island and the Continent, Helck and Anne just followed them.
The island is an actual place in the globe, because little Azudora pinpointed them, just not inside the map.
What are you even going on about anymore?
It's just unmapped territory.
So you are that idiot. And you don't even know what implying means. I'm fine with my theory for Helck being wrong, you confirmed my other one that you're an honest to god retard.
Your post makes no sense.
Something with their continent is wrong from the beginning friend.
Vamirio one of the leaders of the empire, seemingly the biggest force the last hundresds of years on the continent did not even know that there were other continents.
Hell it might be the fog is surrounding the entire continent and the storm is simply just a storm you encounter on the open sea and the whirlpool is simply a whirlpool that can happen in some coast regions.
Like mother like daughter!
Impossible for two seperate characters to exist in one story with the same character trades.
You guys are starting to either ignore all facts that speak against time travel or move your way around them in some really obscure ways.
>Impossible for two seperate characters to exist in one story with the same character trades.
>Grasping for straws this hard
What's the status on Azudoras power? Is it unique or is it a known power that other may have too?
There must be a relationship between Azudora and the King.
You know without sight it is really easy to lose direction on the ocean and even if you thought you were going straing you actually turned around.
My father is sailor so I know a bit about this.
You imply that time space shit must have happend because in your mind ABC must have been in one line for it to be without time travel and solely assume that they went perfectly straight before making a turn.
For you the turn implies that something with time space must have happend as since when ABC are in line and you make a 180° turn at B you would come out A and not C.
But let me tell you if you know shit about navigation and how easily you can lose your course on sea especially without sight you should be silent.
Essentially samefagging or not samefagging debate. It has something to do with time too.
Then there's me alone in a corner posting best boy
That's not the thing.
The problem is the water deer that went straight and then suddenly turned straight back the moment they ended up in the fog and then turned out to be in the continent.
So that's what you were talking about.
Shenaningans are definitely involved there. But Azudora's divination is still there and that shit can't work with time travel shits.
Idiot he would never fail, he went to the future to grab more chapters to Translate
>can't work with time travel shits
Why? I'm not saying time travel is all that plausible but that part is the least of the concerns involved in time travel.
It's entirely plausible for him to have still successfully found her location except in a different time.
>the most rational and intelligent character of the story sofar
So in that case how did Helck navigate through time, if we just say so that a that a coral deer is somehow able to traverse and navigate through time.
Helck even said they did not notice getting turned around, maybe that is related to their ship jumping around in a fight with a sea monster.
After all they are not seamen, losing course happens all the time on the sea.
Well how about this.
If what you said is true, then if he looked for her before Vamirio was even born or if he looked where she is after she died he would still always get a reaction, since she is always somewhere in time, hell the piece would not stand still at all as it would be jumping from position to position to all the different places she ever was in her life time.
Do you not get that the spell only work within 3 or rather two dimensions.
Well it is true is it not.
>Island of futuristic ruins where time gets weird surrounded by unnavigatable fog
You're crazy. Nobody would do that.
Guys guys. What if Helck is Vamirio who travelled to the past and possessed a male human baby but ended up losing her memories from the disaster that killed her human parents and thus eventually became the Helck that we know today?
Reminder: the island they ended up in is the future empire in ruin.
Hahaha, now you're just being silly. The elf chick reborn as human hero man through time travel never loses his parents.
People and wouldn´t be possible that the ruins belonged to an ancient civilization, then happened some major war or something like that and all his culture/technology was lost?
It´s makes more sense that the time travel thing, it would also explain wich kind of world are trying to recover the big enemies by killing all the demons. No, wait, maybe those guys were the ones that destroyed the old world and the demons are trying to cover the damage, that´s why they want them death, so the rest of the world will end as the demon world, full of poison and even with more monsters.
So now you start to claim the island is the remainder of the empire, which was positioned in the center of the continent and full of poison.
Let us also not forget that the Witch guarded her forest with a fog or some other spell and Vamirio seems to be limited to fire and not illusion and mental manipulation.
Also thanks to the witch we got implied there are more continents.
So time travel fans imply that after shit went down with Helck and Vamirio got thrown through time she instead of helping Helck and his brother as children went on a journey around the globe to know about all this continent and ruins shit all around the world.
Future empire or human kingdom. Its under the sea. No more poison and shit after the war and everything.
Witch is Anne who survive the war. She better learnt some tricks
They went to the future, not the Witch went to the past.
>weird. from what i heard there should be a village around here
>piuy! can you talk to birds?
>awesome! what are those birds saying?
>i dunno! you dunno!?
>I'm not a bird after all! then what were you doing just now!?
>don't pass it to them stupid!
>pi? oh sorry. go back to sleep.
>you were already awakened were you!
>pi!? oh sorry. it's okay. go back to sleep.
>mu, there are big eggs all over the place
>maybe there's something. let's be careful
>anne-chan look at me!
>I'm pretending to be a chick! pyun pyun! you're a bird aren't you!
>noooope! I'm not a birrrrrd!
>I'm piuuuuy! piuyyyyy!!!
My translations probably sound unnatural since English isn't my first language.
I hope they weren't translated already[\spoiler]
He's probably setting up for a big reveal like a lot of unexplained foreshadowing from earlier...
I'm thinking Vermilio will turn out to be have been disguised and following Helck the whole time. As Piuy.
Now let's forget the time travel bullshit and discuss some decent stuff:
1) Rafaed, why didn't snow fuck his shit up? Is he a hero?
2) Is Rafaed one of the bad guys or simply neutral?
3) Is Cless ability something unique to him or common to all heroes?
4) Can humans be saved?
5) Is the north threat related to human king's shenanigans?
6) Is Anne and Vamirio the same person?
How is this related to Helck? I know its the same Author/Artist but is it story related like a prequel/sequel or totally unrelated? The mentioning of Helck manga could be advertisement too.
>6) Is Anne and Vamirio the same person?
Am I missing something here?
It seems theres multiple types of awakenings. Hero awakening, King Awakening, Mage Awakening, and within those Awakenings theres a different ability for each person. Cless could empower allies, Helck could become Khorne if lost to rage, King can mind control and Mage can JUST AS PLANNED. Also the King guy could be just a puppet controlled by Rafaed, since Kings mind control seems to be Enforcement of Will and not brainwash, so if this was Tabletop RPG Rafaed could use his EoW on a wooden puppet and make it act as a proxy.
1) He is said to have been a great warrior, so probably he is a hero aldready.
2) He did call the archsage to check up Cless and he doesn't seem to oppose the idea of Awakening.
3) If Rafaed is a hero, he would have been the sacrifice, they also didn't try to capture Helck for more Hero fuel so it is probably unique to Cless.
4) Depends on whether the author is going to take your heart and shit on it or not.
5) Hard to say until we see what the North is, can do etc.
6) One has short hair and the other has long hair. You tell me.
>they also didn't try to capture Helck for more Hero fuel
The moment Mikaros learned of Helck's hero power he already decided Helck was too dangerous. He did try a tiny bit to persuade Helck to join them though.
Rafaed seems like he just doesn't want to harm Helck. He had expressed his suspicion and if he wanted to he could totally confirm Helck's power.
Yeah the rest is the general consensus right now I guess.
Oh, now that's interesting. I'm the guy who said
this. So can you tell me what chapter it was Helck said this? So I can examine if anything strange happened that I missed.
I had forgoten about Mikaros wanting Helck to help. I just find it weird that for an ability that is supposedly occurs once every 1000 years, there are 2 or maybe 3 of them prancing around right here.
24 or something.
Why do time travel fags want to believe that little bird = big bird? Why do they want to deprive that cute little guy (girl?) of others belonging to the same race? Why must the big one be his future counterpart and not his relative? DO THEY WANT IT TO SUFFER?
>I just find it weird that for an ability that is supposedly occurs once every 1000 years, there are 2 or maybe 3 of them prancing around right here
There must have been other human heroes in Azudora's lifetime too, given that humans and demons were still friendly when he was young and there were heroes attacking the demons before.
Most likely it's something unique to Cless in particular.
Time traveler fags are actually responsible for rello's disappearance
My guess is it has to do with the king, who acts as a set with the hero's powers. The king appeared earlier or the secrets behind a previous awakened king were uncovered. Rafaed and Mikaros have some degree of it applied to themselves. So they command heroes rather than become them.
This could simply mean that Azudora is well over a 1000 years old.
This could confirm they are a race of high elves with insanely long life spans, considering how young he still looks.
Means that even if Vamirio and Anne where 200 years old, they would still development wise be much younger than someone than Helck, they are practically children.
>Means that even if Vamirio and Anne where 200 years old, they would still development wise be much younger than someone than Helck, they are practically children.
Reminds me of the new as109's elf set.
And it was a hero who could revive due to his King's Magic.
It's not that uncommon to see japanese people depicting demons as humanoids with elvish ears and fangs.
That was how it worked in the ancient times, with the king reviving the hero with a condescending remark and sending him back out to get murdered until he gained some levels.
It was a dark and mysterious age... I believe historians today call it the '80s.
I like how humans are basically an army of players that just endlessly atempt to win a boss encounter through infinite retries and grinding. The manga shows how dreadful those fags would be in real life. It's good for demons that they can level up too.
Yes. The franchise where heroes could also come from having angelic blood awaken in them. Though they didn't grow the wings of their ancestors.
The tradition changed over the decades once the hero stopped being royalty himself. But this was the original archetype.
Remember they are not really demons, most of them are fantasy races, that got together and created the empire to help each other out, since you know poison and monsters and so on.
By the way the empire is basically protecting the entire continent from the monster, without most even knowing about it.
And if all the monsters, poisonous fog, curses that turn people into abominations, and the awakening process are somehow connected, then the Empire does the best at protecting its citizens from this stuff.
They'll marry and live happily ever after with their adorable demigod children, right?
what are you talking about?
The possibility exists since the Toosu tribe was able to recover their sanity after their king died, but there's no way of knowing what repercussions the addition of the resurrection spell could have.
the resurrection spell is what has me worried. With his curse dispelled, the dark warrior's formerly immortal body crumpled to dust. If that happened to Alicia I'd cry.
Some anons keep saying that the Emperor is a dragon(because of that other page) but he looks more like a pig in the Empire hierarchy chart.
Yeah, but that nose reminds me of that of a pig and that line above the eye looks like a part of the ear.
They might have some dragons as uber powerful pets or warriors. Or pet warriors.
with those claws he looks kinda like this guy
The demons sure smile a lot despite their harsh living condition.
Well they are good people mostly, after all they had to learn how to live and work together and tolerate or even accept each other for hundreds if not thousands of years.
If not they would have been wiped out.
> it doesn't look like the Emperor's silhouette either
Keep telling yourself that. It's E4 in the front, 2 cloaked dudes looking just like the empire guardians far behind and a butthuge dtragon behind them. All of a bigshots of the Greate Dragon empire in one panel.
Hierarchy chart shows a cloaked guy and a dragon-like head.
The other page shows a dragon and two cloaked guys.
Around chapter 30 or so, a guy referred to the demon empire as "the empire where the great dragon resides" or something like that.
Look at the page again: >>136205656
You see Vamirio and Azudora.
The two silhouettes right behind them are the two remaining kings.
Even further back you can see a huge dragon, that's the emperor.
And just below that dragon you can see two cloaked guys, they're the empire guardian kings.
Maybe the remains of the culture whose ruins were saw by Helck and Anne on the island, aside from the Demon Kings Castles, the other demon´s edifications looked far more advanced than the human´s ones
Dude, the Empire is named the Dragon Empire, and they show all the dudes and the dragon is right there as a prominent silhouette right at the back flanked by the Guardian Kings.
He's a Dragon.
>their harsh living condition
Actually, they have a pretty advanced society, which means they probably enjoy as high a standard of living as we do, and everyone have superpowers. Seems pretty nice to me.
It's only shit outside the cities' barriers.
Or they have mighty dragon warriors/pets.
Humans also had heat in the villages and that sounds pretty advanced for a medieval society.
Demons have a more advanced society. Probably because they managed to keep the empire going for hundreds of years, whilst the humans seem to have had their society destroyed at some point.
The only question is why don't they don't have guns. The speed demon guy would be dangerous if he had one.
Well considering that he didn't wage a war on humans and did literally nothing so far then either he doesn't see humans as a threat (at least for now) or he just doesn't give a fuck.
The Empire is technologically advanced compared to humans. It's a strange mix of modern and medieval.
anon you're being a big fucking baka right now ok
Dragon and his guards fend of the SSS threat in the north and thus protect the entire continent.
In the mean time the empire is divided into four parts which are ruled and taken care of by the four heavenly kings (Vermirio, Azudora and two others).
Witch-sama might be a guard of the past and she probably is above lvl90.
Now you're just in denial. You seriously think the most prominent figure in the shot that has all the major figures in the empire (4 Kings and above) has a gigantic Dragon as the most prominent figure right at the back because they 'have dragons as pets' (even though they don't). That the Empire is named the Dragon Empire, named such because it's where the great dragon is, just doesn't mean anything, because you don't think this >>136205521 is supposed to look like a Dragon, even though it clearly is?
Why are you so obsessed with the idea of it not being a Dragon?
Don't bully me, please.
Yes, I know of that picture, it could be a stylistic choice to have a dragon there and, like I said, I don't see that dragon in the Emperor's silhouette.
The only excuses you have is if you didn't read it yet or didn't read past the first 10 chapters.
I'm retarded I guess. I assumed it pointed to the territory near the border and the dragon lives there.
>Why are you so obsessed with the idea of it not being a Dragon?
Like I said, it doesn't matter, either of them will be a cool choice.
>Most prominent figure in the entire page
That would be the Four Heavenly Kings.
Actually it is you time travel fags that are denier, because you either ignored or did not really say anything against 90% of the things that were mentioned and point against time travel.
I sometimes wish this was a forum and the fags that could not shupt up would be publicaly executed once the truth is shown like you said.
Then we could all laugh together about them.
>>But I seriously want to know who he is under that mask. Because lets face it, if you manage to live while still having a sword deep in your forehead, then you definitively are not human.
Maybe he's just really really short and his mask is a large elaborate hat.
I did throw rocks at them.
Whoa, topical as fuck
Who drew that?
>unless you're blind, it's obvious witch looks just like vam
>same hairshade in grayscale
>piuy says witch and vam smell alike
>helck says witch and vam look alike
>i.e. it's fucking canon
>witch knows stuff she shouldn't know if she is not from the future
>portal wasn't made, it was merely reopened, so it could lead to the future without issue
>implying the marker doesn't indicate vamirio from her relative future, after she found out how to come back to the past after realizing she was in the future
Keep crying about it
the king is kinda spooky
with those empty eye sockets you never know where he's looking
the legitimate smile when he notices there are good people out there in the world.
No. Different color.
>piuy says witch and vam smell alike
>helck says witch and vam look alike
No. That's because they're from the same race.
>witch knows stuff she shouldn't know if she is not from the future
Like what? Helck having darkness in his heart? There are many mentor/helper characters who could have guessed that one right.
Where did Vamirio say those looked like human/Empire buildings?
>>implying the marker doesn't indicate vamirio from her relative future, after she found out how to come back to the past after realizing she was in the future
No, the island wasn't shown on the map therefore the figurine wasn't on it but some distance away from it. And the witch also hinted at the existence of other continents.
>portal wasn't made, it was merely reopened, so it could lead to the future without issue
What? Did Azudora say something about portal magic sending people and things through time? No, he didn't.
Are you even trying. Not the same anon but I won't cry from something like that.
>Helck is actually calm and cautious as helck
don't you have any shame?
Your heart is gonna burn when you see how helck's brother ends up now, due to for some freaking reason their noble childhood friend goes full wacko and tries to bring him back no matter what.
A few related trivias.
Dragon = emperor in chink mythology
The fire king bird ( not phoenix, but similar) = empress
Azudora represents the blue dragon and Vermillion the phoenix , 2 of the 4 myth beasts protecting china
The 2 Empire guardian kings will probably be Yin and Yang. Someone more well versed in mythology can probably find a more suitable beasts for them.
Odds are there can also be a fifth heavenly king. A Kirin, representing the center.
So the other two members left of the Four Kings would be the black turtle and the white tiger, right? In digimon 3 the digigods were based on the same legends.
Also Vamirio and Azudora powers are the same as the legends (Dragon-Wood, Phoenix-Fire) It´s the other two are the same, then the turtle´s one would have water based powers and the tiger´s one metal based.
>He's just suffering from a really bad disease, anon.
Since when someone with a disease is capable of functioning normally when they have a sword thrown at them and have their forehead deeply pierced?
I'm in EST so my day is still early. Probably few more after this dump.
How does it make you feel that during these circa few weeks you have released over 50 chapters, this manga got over hundreds of thousand page visits on different sites?
Like watching a seed you plant grow into a mighty tree.
An all-out war is kinda hard to win when you can't kill a single enemy soldier, nor such thing as war exhaustion exists in the enemy country because they are all mindless drones.