English scans are finally out. I'll dump
Hm nothing new I see, Alibaba being the MOST BASED character of Magi is something normal.
>Duplicate file exists here
Kek. That explains it.
God bless Alibaba. God bless America.
It's his approach, dude. He's talked shit about Sinbad and didn't really give him any real incentives on why he should delay the deadline for the loan or whatever it is that fucked up Kou.
Normally, he'd just get shut down. I'd assume Kougyoku and Reformed Edgelord tried the same thing minus the shitlalk previously and it didn't work so well.
But we as the readers know how Sinbad is and how Alibaba will treat him, if you expect Alibaba to beg Sinbad then you're dumb.
What I mean is that the whole thing is supposed to be hilarious for the readers and while it's quite funny it's still weird because we know Sinbad likes Alibaba.
>I'd assume Kougyoku and Reformed Edgelord tried the same thing
I'd assume they didn't considering they're all stiff with a stick up their asses and they fucking hate Sinbad. Also Sinbad likes Alibaba while he would definetely try to fuck over Hakuryuu and Kogyuoku.
Also, the people reacting aren't the readers. They're used to Supreme Jew Sinbad working in the most efficient manner possible as that is what he's been doing for three years straight. Watching him back down was a shock to them.
>I'm the son of your mentor
>give me special treatment as if I were your son too
Ha, it actually worked. Hakuryuu already pointed out that Alibaba takes what is important to a person, rips it out whether they like it or not and uses it to his advantage so it's to be expected.
Didn't expect Sinbad's weakness to be something like this but thinking about it, Sinbad always did take care of Alibaba, trained him and assured him that he'll always think of Baba as an ally. Maybe he was acting like a substitute father all along since Rashid is dead and Alibaba knew exactly how to take advantage of it.
>Hakuryuu already pointed out that Alibaba takes what is important to a person, rips it out whether they like it or not and uses it to his advantage
That's true. Although the confusing thing is at the time, even Alibaba didn't know what Hakuryuu was talking about. Was he just doing it subconsciously without realizing it back then, whereas now he's aware of it and is using it for his benefit?
>Amusing that Sin is so worried about his age, but also happy to be compared to a father figure.
I'm now half expecting that it'll get revealed in SnB that he actually wanted to have a child with
Serendine before she most likely died in the fall of Sinbad's first country.
Sinbad's reaction seems kinda off, Alibaba final argument didn't seem that convincing. I get Alibaba's trying to use the my dad helped you so you should help me, but how does it go from a my dad helped me -> you must behave the same way towards my father's son -> give me special treatment as if i were your son too.
It just seems disjointed and doesn't mesh well together.
>Ja'far's face when Sinbad cares more about Alibaba than him
Now that's true suffering.
It's alright anon. He's using that power for the sake of fish princess. We can forgive him.
>inb4 Alibaba proceeds to take everything from Sinbad piece by piece by abusing the shit of his power of persuasion.
The idea is that he's appealing to some deeper desires of Sinbad's. The logic he uses to arrive at "treat me like your son" is irrelevant, as long as he gets the line out there, he's tugged the right heartstrings.
How? He seems pretty savvy to me.
I shouldn't think so. It's only the debt that got held off by a year. I doubt that means we'll see what Alibaba comes up with a year later.
Maybe it's the duty sort of thing you usually see in fiction. If your beloved mentor died leaving a son, people usually make it their obligation to take care of that child in place of their mentor. As we've noticed, Sinbad has taken care of Alibaba starting from an early point in the manga and gives him preferential treatment.
Alibaba straight up said he's going against Sinbad but Sinbad just said he'll always think of Alibaba as an ally. He passed on the important dagger Rashid gave him. Makes me think Sinbad always subconsciously thought of Alibaba like his son and now Alibaba's just taking emotional advantage of Sinbad using that connection since he's an emotional manipulator.
>tfw Hakuryuu's right
>Sinbad you're bullying children
>You're really incredible, so you're especially capable of mercy towards those weaker than you
>My dad treated you like a son, now return the favor by treating me like a son
Alibaba's conversation in a nutshell. Two appeals towards a father/older-mentor instinct, one appeal towards his ego.
Alibaba don't give a shit. This isn't the first time we've seen him ask for something outrageous, then appeal through other channels to convince the person to agree.
>He talked like a trader who's been running an international business for years
No wonder Kougyoku failed at managing her country's economics. She couldn't even distinguish between a businessman's persuasion and a spoiled brat's illogical ranting speech.
If anything, it just confirmed Hakuryuu's accusation when they're fighting that Alibaba is a cruel manipulative bastard who has no problem with toying other's feeling for his own gain was true. He used that ability unconsciously before, but actively uses it now.
Manipulative, yes. But he's only occasionally cruel or ruthless about it. This is the same manipulative skill he uses to cheer people up when they're close to falling into depravity.
>How? He seems pretty savvy to me
He knows jack shit. What he said was just the tip of the iceberg. The nigga demanded Sinbad to be "kinder" to Kou, implied Kou's economic crisis was Sinbad's fault, not because of their own incompetence. He completely doesn't understand it's a cost for the establishment of a better world.
>He completely doesn't understand it's a cost for the establishment of a better world.
I don't think you understand the methods Alibaba's employing here. The political or economic situations are irrelevant, he's convincing Sinbad to do something illogical based on a strong emotional appeal. He even pointed out that Sinbad has the luxury of being lax about this before he made his request.
If that is indeed the case, then this chapter highlights two things to me:
1) Just how manipulative Alibaba truly is, going into a negotiation without the necessary knowledge to assist him, and still coming out on top
2) How softhearted Sinbad really is when push comes to shove, allowing a concession to be made that serves no benefit to him, based on an appeal to emotion.
aside from that he did shaft them.
he knew this would all break down like this.
the plan,the new regime, the money based economy, the new immigration policy.
he stuck his dick in them good.
You know what so disturbing about Alibaba? He himself doesn't even realize how cruel it is to manipulate of others' feeling, so he can do it with joy and feel nothing bad about his, actually, he even feels good doing so because he thinks he's helping people. I wonder how long he can continue this behavior before facing consequence.
>Lolno. He's the reason Kou is in this mess.
You mean Kouen right? Hakuryuu hastened Kou's downfall but he did it in attempt to turn things around. Kouen's decisions were idiotic as it became apparent he had no real countermeasure against Sinbad or Gyokuen.
The 2nd point is an inherent basis of the 1st point. Alibaba knows about Sinbad's easy to sway emotions and used it for his agenda. Although considering he's not using this for his own benefit but to help other people, it's really not a bad thing.
Anon pls. There is nothing wrong with what Alibaba is doing. This is just your standard power of persuasion that all shounen heroes has. Naruto has his talk no jutsu, One Piece as the power of nakama, and so forth. Alibaba is just one of the exceedingly few individuals who acknowledges this unseen power and weaponizes it.
Don't you see? Sinbad is evil because he didn't bail his enemy out of the consequences of their decision. So what if they decided to focus on the military and conquer the world through war. That's all in the past.
I understand how Alibaba convinced Sinbad. What I'm saying is he doesn't understand how the world is currently working, or too spoiled to accept it. He accused Sinbad created an unequal world but I bet no way Alibaba can come up with something better. He can't accept that the dissolve of the warmongering Kou is necessary prize to create a free world without constant wars and is trying to delay a living corpse's inevitable death.
>I understand how Alibaba convinced Sinbad. What I'm saying is he doesn't understand how the world is currently working, or too spoiled to accept it. He accused Sinbad created an unequal world but I bet no way Alibaba can come up with something better. He can't accept that the dissolve of the warmongering Kou is necessary prize to create a free world without constant wars and is trying to delay a living corpse's inevitable death.
Go back to mangahelpers.
Normally, I agree. But it's true that Sinbad has a soft spot for Baba's dad. The japanese are big on respecting the elders that taught them stuff and trying to repay them, so it works for a japanese mind-created character.
Not him but I think Alibaba realizes it. He also acknowledged that Sinbad is amazing for changing the world into one without war.
All he's saying is that Sinbad should give preferential treatment to Kou because they're ill-equipped for the new world and Sinbad can afford to do so. From one point of view, Sinbad does treat things equally by treating everything with contracts and being businessman like. Alibaba doesn't think that's real equality though. Something like pic related is what he wants.
This. If I was Fish Empress I'd start thinking of ways of keeping this person whom I actually like and that seems to be actually competent by my side, in any way possible. I mean, she's fond of the guy already.
You really think that kind of stupid shounen speech is something good or even acceptable? All of those retards basically just say "I know you are right and your method is correct, but because of some retard reasons I just can't accept it thus bring it on, faggot". Then after they win the fight by bullshit power, the author magically help them solve all conflicts with asspull logic.
This. We need at least 10 heirs pronto. And 'Baba is royalty, even if destituted, and he's pretty handsome. And she actually likes the guy, c'mon Fish Empress, don't fuck this up!
What? But Alibaba isn't saying anything like that. He told Sinbad that his method is only correct in certain places of the world, like Parthevia and Reim, but is clearly flawed in other places, like Kou. Looking at it from Kou's perspective, he's absolutely right.
No, I'm saying Alibaba knows he is naturally persuasive and actively uses it. Shounen heroes are supposedly that (depends on writer) but just blurts out what's on their mind. And again, depending on the writer, might have the other person respond why that is wrong. Here, in Magi, everyone is a manipulative mastermind that has routinely crushes the arguments used against them. In a clash of ideals where no one is fully right, Alibaba has to actively use his self-acknowledged charms tongive him the slight edge to win over his opponent's arguments. This is debating 101. Even if you're right, if you can't persuade everyone else that you are, then you might as well not be.
Can Alibaba just stop time to think about the next reply? He's so fucking fun to follow right now, may be my favorite Magi character.
I think the second point must also be related to how Alibaba is one of the few people who knows the current situation with Grillmaster David. Sinbad could be pretty eager to prove he's still capable of kindness.
>Sinbad could be pretty eager to prove he's still capable of kindness.
I don't think it's an act on Sinbad's part. He was shown not realizing why he accepted to Alibaba's illogical demand just when Alibaba brought out the "treat me like your son" thing.
>tfw Sinbad secretly wants to be a father
I hope there's fanart.
Me too. Baba-centric chapters always give us the best reaction faces.
This chapter is nice. It just reinforces the fact that fish princess is still the same after all these years, and didn't go full edge. Damn shame she's going to be mindjacked by yandere mom/sister.
This is one of the most hilarious Magi chapters i've seen.
Alright, theories on how Alibaba is going to turn things around for the Kou Empire in a year? And remember to keep in mind Kou is essentially bankrupt, so try to keep things 'realistic'.
>What I'm saying is he doesn't understand how the world is currently working, or too spoiled to accept it.
Half the comments he made about the world's state in that conversation were just repeating what Budel told him (a bluff), and the other half was deliberate sophism for the sake of persuading Sinbad. The chapter ends with him saying he's going to go find out more about the country, because he just acknowledged that he doesn't know much about it.
Create as many new jobs as possible.
Open up the few areas that aren't culturally generic (like the palace) for tourism.
Make deals with all this old Sindria friends who are probably ruling countries themselves.
Eh, with his time ability, Alibaba would be a better candidate for slutting his body out for money. With it, he would know the optimal method to get a mass of people off in the quickest time possible. He can became the greatest male prostitute the world will ever know. Still somehow can't get laid though.
My idea is to lease off a quarter of the Kou Empire land to foreign businesses to build their factories and have them sign a contract to hire the local workers (Kou citizens), then use the huge influx of money to fix up the cultural places/marketing for a tourism, while using rest of the money to restart their raw material industry for export money. After they pay off the loan with the combined money from tourism and raw material exports, they will use the excess money to buy the factories after the lease to the land has expired. This essentially covers, short term (cash from exports), middle term (tourism) and long term (nationalizing the foreign business factories and skilled Kou Empire workers) goals.
Then did he provide any better methods to help Sinbad fix those "flaws"? If he can't do things better, he has no right to criticize other's work. Kou paid for what they did in the past. They had no real economy, they basically just robbed other countries' money and resources by forces. As soon as wars stops, their collapse is inevitable. The right thing to do now is letting it dissolve into smaller countries since improving a small country's economy is easier than a gigantic empire's.
>Then did he provide any better methods to help Sinbad fix those "flaws"?
No, but that wasn't the objective of his conversation. The objective was only to buy enough time for himself and Kou so that they can figure out a remedy to these flaws. You don't necessarily need to know the solution to a problem to know that there's a problem.
Like how Lenin did in Russia after the October revolution? He will have to somehow create a competent bureaucracy who actually know about economic to help him manage the whole empire then, one man alone can't do that.
Hence the shellphones. He'll just have everyone call him up for any major decisions until they are properly trained to be self-reliant. That or he will actually do it all by himself. He's got his time-hax, he can do everything at once now.
>mfw all his powerups is for him to became the greatest politician ever
>mfw alibaba saves kou while haku watches from the sidelines.
What, you guys can't think of constructive reply so have to resort to using memes, huh? Can you argue that the current world is in anyway worse than the warring world before? If he indeed created an utopia, his methods are justified then.
He's Alibaba. This is quite literally nothing compared to his normal suffering. I mean, Hakuryuu tried to kill him once and he's now the prime minister of the Kou Empire. I cannot imagine what would happen if they tried that a second time.
They will. After he solves Kou's problems, Hakuryuu will come back and start another civil war to reclaim his throne. Sinbad will support him again since Alibaba is too dangerous for his new world order. Maybe Alibaba will see Kougyoku dying in his hands this time.
Again, the last time they purposely try to make Alibaba suffer/dead, he ended up being the prime minister of Kou. What the hell do you think will happen if they tries this shit again?
>All hail emperor Alibaba!
Now that he get the mobile phone too, its time for alibaba economic advisor arc.
I don't give a shit about this, where the sinbad chapters at? They usually come out same time as magi.
What he did this time is no different than the time he told Kouen being bowed to was an insult. It's basically just a monkey show of words.
Beside, he has no real idea what economy is, how the hell is he going to help anyone like that?
Now Alibaba can outsmart Sinbad, what the fuck?
This nigger was just lost in a fucking weird ass planet for xx time and now he has insight and some bullshit power?
What a fucking hack man, the author pulled this out of his ass, and still there no signs of Judar, what the fuck.
If Alibaba got stronger by being there for a few years, imagine judar, did he also get that bullshit power alibaba has? He'll be a monster.
>the author pulled this out of his ass
That means he wants everyone to have equal income, equal possession, equal capital regardless of their own effort, and those who're too incompetent should be given special right to become "equal" to others? Guess the author really wants to show us every social system in history.
>This nigger was just lost in a fucking weird ass planet for xx time and now he has insight and some bullshit power?
did you fucking just look at the pages without reading you speed reader?
Those things he learned has no use in Sinbad's world. In this chapter he accepted he just repeated what the fat merchant told him, he himself has no real understanding about them.
It's pretty obvious Alibaba will end up with Morgiana if the author decides to follow the folk story, like she's done so far.
>In the story, Ali Baba is a poor woodcutter who discovers the secret of a thieves' den, entered with the phrase "Open Sesame". The thieves learn this and try to kill Ali Baba, but Ali Baba's faithful slave-girl foils their plots. Ali Baba gives his son to her in marriage and keeps the secret of the treasure.
>Those things he learned has no use in Sinbad's world.
But Rashid is the one who taught Sinbad about economy and showed him the ropes. They both learned the same thing from the same person. If what Alibaba knows is useless in Sinbad's world, then the same would apply to Sinbad, which wouldn't make any sense.
No, in the original story Morgiana is Cassim's slave. Ali Baba lets Morgiana marry into his family through his son as a reward for saving him from the forty thieves he stole the treasure in the cave from.
Sounds more like he wants people to have equal chance
No matter how much effort Kou citizens put in they were fucked from the starting line because they don't have the education or background
>Sinbad is such a shitty guy in the main story
>Hur dur he screwed over my waifu, what a scumbag
Because having a side agenda with magi's biggest cancer really doesn't make you evil. Hue..
This is the face of a truly sane and morally good ally, am i rite gaiz
>Implying ancient Greek mathematicians can solve today's math problems right away. You see, Sinbad has a few dozens of years to practice and further develop economic knowledge Rashid taught him, he may even has access to David's millennium knowledge, so expecting Alibaba to completely understand all those things overnight is ridiculous. With time, maybe he can learn, but they're in a pinch now.
That's not it, the one who has no chance is Kou government, not the citizens, who can easily go to other countries with a real economy. And Kou government brought it upon themselves for giving no care about economy all those years. They just ripped what they sowed.
Edgebro's arc was better than this political snoozefest
>Alibaba will make Kou into a great nation of commerce
>Alibaba is the biggest trading company in China IRL
He has practically infinite time to think out a response to sinbad.
I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled out his World a few times in that one call alone to think out what he needed to say and what strings to pull.
That would explain his suffering
Heh, the previous world was not suited for Alibaba in the first place with all the powerlevel bullshit, Sinbad just made the world work just for Alibaba like fish in the water as a previous ruler of trader country
I just marathoned and caught up with Magi and what the fuck was up with the wizards arc?
Like the final half of it just threw pace out the window, was it in danger of getting cancelled or something?
>They had no real economy, they basically just robbed other countries' money and resources by forces
Kou had an economy, what it didn't have was a free trading market. I suggest you looking up what an "economy" is.
>was it in danger of getting cancelled or something?
Probably not that bad, but the editor likely told Ohtaka to hurry it up and get back to the plot at hand because fans were losing patience.
Kou had essentially what Germany had during WW2. It was an economy based on perpetual warfare and taking other people's resources. Once the war had stopped, they had no other way to sustain their economy.
>It was an economy based on perpetual warfare and taking other people's resources
Caught the speedreader. They had slaves to produce everything and the army to enforce absolute order.
But that's wrong. Germany even back then still had companies and businesses conjuring up ideas and making use of modern technology and resources to sustain its economy. Look at the Volkswagen, for example.
One thing I wonder. Who is the owner of Kou's debt? Is it Sindria or Sinbad himself? And did Sindria's property are Sinbad's personal possession like a country's wealth belongs to a king, or is he just the president in the sense of our world?
Is more about being sad for Alibaba losing his innocence. Is funny how Ja'far is the character most preoccupied in the entire series about these kind of things when he was a kid assassin
A majority of Germany's resources was tied into its warmachine. Employment was high and economy was growing because the industry was constantly churning out a huge amount of stuff and people were getting paid, which filtered down into its civilian sectors. It was the same thing that make the US break out of the great depression. Wars are a very profitable business.
We have no idea what kind of situation Sindria is in right now. He stepped down as its King, and his eight Generals went over to their own respective countries to rule, while their previous rulers are on the council of the IA. Nobody knows what the fuck Sindria is like or who the fuck is looking after it. That said, Kou's debt is to the IA and Sinbad.
Well, Haku is understandable since he had tried and failed. He probably doesn't feel like he has the right to show up at Kou anymore. Aladdin is probably out saving the world or something. I would not be surprised if he's currently fighting some eldritch abomination during the time-skip.
That's likely the very reason he's so melancholic about these kinds of things. He's wrong about Alibaba, though. As has been mentioned, we've seen him use his charisma and understanding of other character's mentalities in negotiations before. But it's only now that he's aware of this and doing it deliberately.
I can imagine that Alibaba will invent something like the assembly line and get all the simple minded people of Kou working.
Considering the sky pirates that attacked him and his history as being a bandit, it seems pretty clear to me he is going to make a bunch of mercenary companies to protect civilian trade caravans and transportation.
Plus it works out since they have all these former soldiers and warriors who don't have jack shit else to do with their lives.
Sinbad needs Aladdin to access the Holy palace, so chances are Aladdin figured that much and has been hiding from Sinbad. Hakuryuu went along because he was a salty loser who couldn't hold his own throne and there's Mor of course.
What do you expect? These are the people who are voting for Berine "let's spend everyone else's hard earned money" Sanders. Thank god, if it comes down to him or Trump, Trump will win it.
Yeah, no. You are completely fucked. Overpopulation, in addition to trying to shift from an industrial economy to a service one, with a massive energy crisis, industries and rural residents still producing fuck-huge pollution, the government still massively corrupt, an overinflated stock market, and alienating your neighbors with territorial claims without the actual power to do so. You are so fucked, fatalpulse feels sorry for you.
>Mfw I won $900,000,000 the other day
Way ahead of you, faggot.
The funny thing about this post is that someone in America became a billionaire overnight just this week through the lottery, and is now worth more than everyone on /a/ combined could earn in 5 lifetimes.
>This isn't the first time we've seen him ask for something outrageous, then appeal through other channels to convince the person to agree.
This is the first time we've seen him do it successfully , though.
There is enough content for an additional season, hell even more, but why doesn't a studio picks magi up?
Like literally they could end the next season with the edge arc and fucking boost the sale to infinity since secondaries love that shit.
Still baffles me that there's not another season after how good the magic academy arc was..
Anime only friends will think this is canon..
I can confidentiality say the manga is worth reading if you liked the anime.
Actually the anime would be better than the manga if they just ignore the Solomon back in time stupid arc in the next season
>No worries, I don't care about that.
Now that is interesting. Before he died, Baba was ways muh Balbadd this and muh Balbadd that. Is he saying that he doesn't care about Balbadd anymore?
Because there's too much thinking involved. The average shounen-fag doesn't care too much about political or philosophical matters, which is what most of Magi is comprised of, nor do they want a butt-monkey as a MC. They just want big flashy fights with SI MC that gets all the bitches wet. It just won't sell if they tried a straight adaptation but they can't deviate from the source material lest you get shit like TG.
She's too pure for your cheese-covered dick, anon.
What happened to the world Sinbad no Bouken promised us?
>implying he didn't also steal their cherries
He asked to freeze the interest. So does that mean he wanted Sinbad to cancel the interest in that one year (he would only pay the original debt) or just delay it and he would pay both the original debt and the interest later?
>everything has to be accurate to the real world
Niggers are gross.
Nigga, In case Sinbad really tried, even if the faggot begged in his knees, crying his big daddy's name, nothing could help them. What you should praise is Sinbad's good nature for taking pity on those illiterate warmongers.
Hey hey, fuck off. I loved the edgebros arc but this final arc is turning out wonderfully.
He will have two children, one boy and one girl, who hate his guts and will start a rebel against him to destroy the world he create. They will be also into incest but the boy will cheat on the girl and turn her into an insane yandere.
When will we get some more true Alibaba suffering? The boat ride was two years ago
Come to think of it, Judar and Baba spent quit a lot of time together in Fanalis land, I would think the manipulative bastard has already got simple minded Judar in the guts.
Baba swaying tsundere Judar to raise a dungeon for the sake of Kou's economy revival when
>Reboot by Layduce when?
>Stupid Shonenshits thinking all problems will be solved through fighting
Are you stupid? I said nothing about fighting. A war is the last thing Sinbad want. He can easily destroy Kou's economy, make the citizens rebel against the royal family and divide Kou into many tiny states. No thing Alibaba can do to prevent it. Hell, the faggot failed at saving his own country and now wants to save another? Don't make me laugh.
>make the citizens rebel against the royal family
>Not a form of fighting
I know you people have shit for brains, but this is ridiculous
>Baba learns all recipes in a second after stopping a time in his own mind
>quickly becomes the cooking prodigy