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>getting invaded by aliums
>better make giant robots

looking at you, Mub-Lub
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Name one situation where building a giant robot is the wrong course of action.
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>>136152867
Despite how great they are in fiction, they are entirely juvenile and impractical.
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>>136152996
noooo no making a super expensive base with 22 layers underground,and retractable skyscrapers is juvenile and impractical
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>>136153535
Conventional weapons in Eva showed to be ineffective against the angels.
It was either building giant mechs or humanity dying.
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>Zeon is running out of resources
>all fighting is done in space
>they still keep legs on all their mechs when space fighters or mobile armors would have been a better choice and would have cost less resources
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>Earth Federation developed effective anti-mech weapons
>standard tank is capable of taking out Zeon MS
>they still develop and mass produce mechs
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>>136153633
>>136153599
>no one builds drones
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>>136153535
And then they made robots to go with it.
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>>136153599
When have mobile armours been cheaper or more effective? The only good mobile armours are really expensive custom machines for crazy newtypes and cyber newtypes.
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>>136153571
>Eva
>mechs
Slow down son
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>>136153659
atleast the robot did something the base just got constantly fucked by angels and even soldier they might as well had filled it up with concrete cause there expensive defense did not do shit
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>>136153647
They actually had drones in Gundam X.
The concept of drones just wasn't around when 0079 was made.
>>136153717
Zeon actually had MA's in IGLOO but for some retarded reason they never mass produced them and only issued them as part of Zeon's Volkssturm.
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>>136153750
Do you mean the Oggos? They're about as much of an MA as a Ball is.
There's the Big Rang though, but the fucker is massive.
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>>136153814
yeah, mass producing Oggo's would have been better than keeping the costly Zaku's and other Zeon MS' in use.
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>>136153844
Reminder that the Ball had better sensor range than every Zeon MS until the Gelgoog and had really good acceleration. Unfortunately the writers kind of suck at actually realising Balls should be used as a second-line artillery barrage machines.
That fight between Oggos and Balls was pretty cool.
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>>136152789
more like

>I hope we get invaded by ayliums so we can build some giant robots
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>>136155257
I'm not a /k/omando but I'm pretty sure that a tank with dual barrel is impractical due to the large amount of space needed to make the gears fit.
So goes for the ammo and loading crew that just doubled.
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>>136155882
>not having autoloaders

Also double barrels is sexy as fuck.
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>>136152867
Curing cancer. You can't get giant robots to fight cancer.

Unless you could shrink them and inject them into someone's body.
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>>136155882
What if you just made the tank into a robot so it could do all that stuff itself? You could just ride on top and scream obscenities at the enemy while the tank does all the work.
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>Was just in the /k/ thread about muv luv
>MFW they made me realize that chemical, nuclear and thermobaric weapons alone would be enough to destroy the beta.

Especially chemical. You could make something that rightly kills the shit out of BETAs while being completely harmless to carbon based life. It's as simple as studying a BETA and finding out what chemicals stop it from living.
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>>136155991
They said the same thing about swords despite the fact that it is the most impractical and most expensive weapon ever made, history-wise
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>>136156140
You forgot: minefields and tunnels would annihilate the crawlers
While mirrors shards will render the laser aliens completely useless
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>>136156057
Fund it.
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>>136156140
They already chucked something worse than nukes and sunk the world on top of turning everything into salt plains and BETA just went deeper.
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>>136152789
The only fictional technology in anime that I see coming in the future are the long legged Spider Tanks from Sora no Woto.

No, I am aware that it is completely useless in the face of a Main Battle Tank. But you are using it wrong

Just imagine
>strip it off it's entire armor and put all power on the legs.
>let it climb mountains and skyscrapers
Voila.
You have a walking artillery that can fire 10 miles further than a normal tank and can easily jump from one building to the next.
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>>136156542
The problem is that it can't jump and climb like that irl.
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>>136156707
Jump is difficult due to the weight. But I'm pretty sure that climbing will be easy.
You just need strong legs and even stronger anchorage
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>>136156542
Or you could just mount rockets on pickups that could be fixed with easily available parts.
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>>136153599
MS also rely on AMBAC via their limbs to conserve on propellant
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>>136156808
Too immobile, man.
If your location was pin pointed, a dumb shell will take you out immediately, together with the building.
Soldiers need time to dismantle it and even more time to escape the premises.

Legs are priceless
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>>136156808
Also, pick-ups can't climb buildings
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To be fair to Muv-Luv they actually did a half-decent job at justifying their robots via stating that they exist to replace planes, not tanks, since the BETA's lasers make those all but worthless. Not perfect, but better than most settings with robots.

>>136156140

They sort of hand-wave that away by saying that BETA are really good at adapting to shit they don't initially know how to deal with (the lasers were developed because they couldn't fly.) Even if developing a weapon like that was possible, the probability that they'd adapt before you could use it to wipe out the BETA entirely is pretty high.

There's also the fact that any weapon that could kill one type of BETA would probably not work on any other, since the BETA don't necessarily share any sort of common biology. They're not a species that reproduces so much as a bunch of carbon-based robots.
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NUKE MIRRORS
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>>136152996
>complaining about fiction being unreal.
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>>136156542
thats even worse than a bipedual mech. look at all those fucking joints.
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>>136156931
>giant humanoid robots exist to replace planes
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>>136156993
Keyword: climb buildings
You don't use it to face MBTs toe to toe. But as a high range and highly mobile support unit.
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>>136156542

Or, you can make a helicopter.
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>>136156999
bombers still exist, but air superiority planes went the way of the dodo when the laser class was introduced.
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>>136157059
>high fuel consumption
>cannot hold ground
>even lesser armor
>costs more
Nah
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>>136156999
Read his post again, retard.
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>>136156999
Someone needs to keep corporations like Lockweed fed with contracts even after their planes got vaporised. You can't afford to lose the engineering expertise.
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>>136157090
>>136157103
I know man. But Jesus. If lasers are your only complain, then just make your plane shinny as hell

Or glue mirrors on your steel plates
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>>136156542
Those legs and joints will sunk into mud more easily than a tank. Maintaining would be a bitch too. Tanks stuck in mud or with broken tracks are already bitch. Those legs are just a nightmare
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>>136157205
Yeah, I realized that abit later. Limit em to urban combat, I guess
They are priceless in holding key cities especially when airfields are too far away
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>>136156169
There's nothing impracticable about a big blade that you can conveniently have at your side at all times. A sword is basically a pistol, not necessarily a offensive weapon, but a versatile one for personal defense on or off a battlefield. The principle reasons being that they are generally long, light, and do not require much force to be dangerous.

You lose your spear or polearm and have to defend yourself, most likely against people with spears and polearms. If you have a hatchet or knife you're in deep shit because they require you to be very close to hit something and they usually don't have anything substantial to catch an oncoming weapon on. If you have a sword you have a far higher chance of survival.

They were historically expensive at different times throughout history. For example, pre-Black Plague Europe only professional soldiers and nobility would carry them, and in many places (but not all, it was usually decided at the county level) laws permitted only the nobility to carry them off of a battlefield. Post-Black Plague, the intensification of toledo steel production and improved mercantilism resulted in almost every fucker having one.

There's also the basic and very important fact that if you want to get a sword you don't have to buy it at full price. Before they became affordable most people either got them through battlefield looting essentially for free, or bought one for a fraction of the price from a re-seller. Saying a sword is expensive is like saying a car is expensive. The average new car costs about $33,000 USD today, but a perfectly serviceable and reliable 20 year old car costs only $2000. Same rule applies to swords, so long as they are well maintained they can last a very long time. Even if they are not they can still be restored to a serviceable condition or recycled to make a new one.
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>>136152789
Makes more sense than GuP desu.
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>>136157638
Actually, an axe would be a better idea than a sword.

The main reason why swords are so cool is because they were used a symbol of authority and freedom.
Commanders used them to show their rank, and slaves are given swords to once they have earned their freedom
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>>136152867
fighting against guerrillas
stoping terrorist attacks
winning against John Cena in Wrestlemania for the WWE championship in a if John Cena lose he will be fired
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>>136156542
>jumping on buildings
>not just grapling on buildings

TA's are more practical than that jumbled mess.
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>>136158027
>holding onto a single area caused your entire weight to be concentrated on a small surface
>you are holding on a wall and not on a floor that was supported by foundations

More surface area = more weight distribution/less pressure
More legs = better grip

The low profile also gives the Spider Tank a better center of gravity which would allow more and heavier armanents than what a bipedal can carry
Basic math, man
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>>136157956
>fighting against guerrillas
You are supposed to use your giant robot to win hearts and minds of kids and sell toys.
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>>136157885
An axe:
>requires momentum to be dangerous, creating large openings
>is heaviest at the furthest end, meaning it is not balanced unless gripped at least midway up the shaft thus shortening the functional length of the weapon and requiring you to initially be closer to your opponent to make use of it.
>cannot have a cross-guard without inconveniencing the wielder
>cannot be carried in a scabbard or other convenient weatherproof container
>makes you look like a filthy fucking peasant
>is heavy, but generally does not have the advantages of a pole weapon
>an axe cannot be half-sworded
>an axe does not have a point

A pole-axe on the other hand is an entirely different kettle of fish, however if you could afford one of those you would probably be able to afford a sword as well.

Regardless, they do not exist in the same category. A sword is generally a side-arm, but an axe can only be a primary arm due to the inefficiency of attaching it to a human body that does not get in the way of movement and is immediately available. Which is why I said hatchet before, because it is an axe that can be a side arm.
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>want to discuss military hardware, weaponry and applications thereof on /a/
>post pic of anime girl in OP and complain about robots
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>>136158210
>More surface area = more weight distribution/less pressure
>More legs = better grip
that only applies if youre lugging aound heavy arnaments. which the take does in this case. But TAs only carry enlarged rpgs and machineguns lessening the need for both of your requirements.
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My only complaint about "real robots" is the designs are so predictable. Like character designs, it feels like they're mainly trying to have that recognizable anime look without being 100% derivative.

Why even try to justify the existence of mecha if they aren't having the design reflect the explanation? In Muv-Luv's case, why don't they look more like GERWALK VFs? The designs look like something from Armored Core which is not a 1HK scenario. And in Gundam, the designs of suits didn't change after beam weapons became standard issue.
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>>136158738
uhh...nope
First off, axe need no large swing. It's called "overswingging" and it was shunned upon by every martial artist
Second, battle axe and war axe exist. They are made to be lighter than the woodmans axe but no less the strength
Third, it does not need to half-sword when it can just hack it's way through. In fact, the falchion sword was designed to immitate the hacking power of the axe.
And lastly, axe can have points, mind you. Check out this 15th century German battle axe

Yes, axes can be as pricy as swords but axe are durable as hell and can withstand laborous torture from cutting down logs at ever season. It is so durable that it needs no scabarb

I understand why you love swords. Even I like it as it is the single most versatile weapon next to the stick and knife. But please don't say that it can be better than the axe when history showed otherwise

I'm going to sleep
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>>136158913
>TAs only carry enlarged rpgs and machinegun
Is this supposed to be an advantage?
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>>136156169
This is objectively wrong.
Check out some of the weapon designs from just the last century.
Swords were very effective in trained hands, though they were very expensive.

>>136157638
>>136158738
You're an idiot.
Swords are incredible difficult to use properly, and if you don't use it properly one of three things WILL happen:
1. You'll fuck the blade.
2. You'll fuck yourself up.
3. A trained combatant will fuck you up.

Axes and spears were by far the more common weapons for a few reasons, primarily cost and effectiveness.
Any peasant can pick up a spear and use it properly, and if he's at all skilled in maintaining distance it's pretty hard to get inside his threat range without getting skewered. Axes are less simple because over swing and alignment are still very important, but they have a lot of mass at the head of the axe, so even if the alignment is fucked or you fuck the cutting edge it's still serviceable as a mace.
Maces being another example of quality weapons that were simple to use and weren't severely hindered by the advent of plate armor and quality chain mail
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