This is not even magical show anymore.
It was Fate/Notes rip off whole time.
Sakura is best no matter which Fate spinoff she is in.
It's too bad she somehow cracked after this. I'd like one universe where she didn't have to walk through shit in life, but what can you do?
Can't wait for Parvati Sakura in GO.
>Sakura is best no matter which Fate spinoff she is in.
Not really, but Prisma somehow managed make her actually sympathetic character.
>Servant system doesn't exist = No Saber
>Tohsakas are dead = No Rin
>Einzberns don't even exist = No Illya
Why is number of choices in this world so limited?
I really curious how much chapters this flashback arc will take. At this rate, Sixth or Seventh season of anime will not even need to be named "Prisma Illya" as will be completely just about Shirou's Heaven's Feel adventures.
Its the story about Ilya and friends.
Right now alternate universe Shirou is telling the story of how his world got fucked up and died.
The last time he saw his Kouhai, and tried to save his little sister.
Its the strongest hero of them all, and she's giving it to him.
>All this cheats and still loses to series' original imouto.
It's must suck being Sakura.
In other words, any human body can be used for card summoning. But you need strong magic resistance, otherwise your mind will be overwritten by mind of Heroic Spirit.
This probably also explain why Shinji's mind is already so hazy and he even forgot own name.
For me, the opposite. Fate/kaleid is just another interation of Nasu's mystical shounen powerlevels concept now. Series was fresh as a light-hearted and slightly tongue-in-cheek take on the Nasuverse, but the more "authentic" Hiroyama has tried to make it, the less it's distinguished itself from the other incarnations.
Love Hiroyama's illustration, kind of wish kaleid would end so he could do something else, but the gravy train seems to be unstoppable...
For this Shirou nothing, since there is no Illya in this universe.
Honestly dude, the Miyu universe is pretty fucking retarded.
I mean the entire origin of Shirou's character was changed for some retarded reason.
Arguably one of the most important and defining aspects of him, the fire where he was essentially reborn from, didn't happen to him. He just got trapped in some other nondescript disaster cause Hiroyama wanted to set the story Kerry and Shirou traveling around and finding Fuyuki for some reason.
It's these pointless and weird changes that makes me think the guy is just winging it, which is fine for a comedy, but he's trying to be more serious now.
Only those chosen for the grail war, can do it.
Its not really an actual value you could say, but if you are chosen, you can do it.
So in the end, its just the grail deciding sort of, probably.
Nasu describes him as a selfish dick but overall pretty cool guy that would fuck people up if they tried to take advantage of Shirou. I mean, he was Shirou's friend before they fell out, like he was kind to Sakura in his own way before he found out the truth.
He just doesn't get a chance to display all that.
Also Sakura loses her mind to the madness of Lancelot, after she's forced to install
Also Miyu almost loses her soul to Gilgamesh's raw power upon installing.
Intalling ain't easy, I guess.
Of course there are, but one of the fundamental things that makes Shirou Shirou is the fire. It's one of the first things that you see when you start up FSN; him reminiscing about the event.
You don't see extensively into his past before that, because that's really when Shirou was born. The kid before that died in that fire, and someone different came out of it.
It speaks volumes when Hiroyama changes such a core thing about him, while still trying to pretend that this is the same character.
She's the only potential love in the Shirou-bowl in this world.
However he gave up his justice for his sister and made a promise to his soul that he would save her, so saving Miyu has to come first.
However once Miyu is saved, Sakura is next on the list of people he wants to protect, and then finally Julian if he's into it.
Ideally he wants to save them all, but if he's forced into a corner, he still has to save Miyu primarily, since that's how HF works. She's the one he promised he'd save no matter what, and that means he has to see the commitment through.
Miyu is not a lover, she's not his potential GF or anything similar, there's no BTFO between values there, but she is the first most important person to him. He still is going to save Sakura who saved his ass in this chapter eventually as well, if its possible. It was already proven she's not really a villain, and was driven mad because Julian is a dick about things, and she did help him.
Its hard to tell what will happen with Julian though. If possible Shirou wants to get back all the pieces he's lost over the last few years.
And I don't think you understand quality writing. You can tell Hiroyama didn't put much thought into this, because he just haphazardly had Shirou get fucked up in another random event that mimicked the fire practically to a T, all so it could fit the narrative he was trying to weave at that moment.
That's a fucking hack move, right there.
The big joke is that Miyu Shirou is closer to the Shirou we like, but the core things that made his character were completely tossed around to suit this guy's fanfiction.
Yeah, the whole fucking god child thing, but you have to ask yourself why the guy choice to frame it in such a way. Why couldn't Shirou Shirou and Miyu's fates be directly intertwined? Instead there was just some other disaster, with Shirou for some reason living in another city (I guess fucked up shit just follows him), and then he meets Miyu while traveling with his dad.
>Silver Link announces 3rei anime
>it's an 8-part movie series
I can understand shit writing, and it's not hard to see considering this is a comedy manga featuring lewd lolis that, for some godawful reason is trying to take itself seriously now, while being all sorts of retarded if you actually think about what's going on in the story and the way it's progressed.
He was never cool, he just wasn't flat out evil early on, he was still prideful as shit and the same as ever in a sense even as a kid, its just that when he realized he was left out and she was being groomed as the heir, that his pride shattered and he developed an inferiority complex.
His backstories show where his problems developed, and it was before Sakura came into the picture in a sense. Its because he found out about this magus stuff and thought "Wow, I must be super duper special after all, surely I'm great, I'm the best super genius, far greater than those peons out there. Hah, a little sister, yeah I'll look after her as the great ore-sama that I am who is special" only the have his pride crumble.
His problems from the start started because he staked everything, his pride, identity, and self-respect on something he never had talent for in the first place.
Nasu said that Shinji can easily be happy and move on, if he just forgets about magic already, since he honestly is talented in some other areas.
>he doesn't want a perfect imouto or otouto for Miyu to play with and molest
A whole new kind of fag
>but you have to ask yourself why the guy choice to frame it in such a way.
Why? Because divergence point from main timeline is non-existence of Einzberns and their replacements with Ainsworths. And this was only way how keep Shirou's meeting with Kiritsugu and his influence by him.
When there are no Einzberns in Grail War, then even Kiritsugu can't be present in Forth Grail War, thus they must meet in different way.
>installing is akin to cherry popping and mind breaking.
All well and good, but why have Shirou's character be so superficially close to his original VN counterpart when there are these fundamental things about him that were changed?
Fuck, just from what little we know about how shit went down with Ilya-Shirou, he seems like he could fit closer to the original. I mean he even did the high jump.
No though, Hiroyama wrote Shirou as living in a different sitting that conveniently also had a massive disaster that warped Shirou's mind into being a sword.
He took the fucking easy route here, and rather than alter the character to accommodate these changes, he just acts like he's completely the same.
No, you are just not willing to put full effort into reading this manga, as you see it as silly fanservice manga, and now you can't accept that it was just foul play from author about actual story.
Who's to say Illya's Shirou wasn't also picked up by Kerry to carry on his super hero dream in secret instead of Illya but we just haven't had him get caught up in grail war shenanigans so far.
I've put more effort into talking about the faults in the story than most people who fucking like this.
Like dude, Miyu-Shirou is so badass, he does cool poses, and he uses black keys, and he picked the imouto. So best.
Give me a break. It's flash with weak substance.
We know Kerry was involved with the Einzberns, so right off the bat Ilya-Shirou and his family are already closer to the original just based off back story.
Really? You don't think the fire, which is shown at the opening of every route in the VN, isn't a core part of what made Shirou Shirou?
It's not the thing caused him to become who he is?
>All well and good, but why have Shirou's character be so superficially close to his original VN counterpart
Because that's rule of Nasuverse where something will happen regardless universe (See Waver in Apocrypha).
>It happens just cause
And you think this is acceptable and enjoyable writing?
Okay guys, I know Prisma is basically the only consistent Fate thing we get, with once a month chapters, but that doesn't mean it's good.
>Really? You don't think the fire, which is shown at the opening of every route in the VN, isn't a core part of what made Shirou Shirou?
>It's not the thing caused him to become who he is?
No, what was really important wasn't fire itself, but his meeting with Kiritsugu and handing over of his ideals to Shirou. Which happened here. It wasn't fire who made Shirou Shirou, it was Kiritsugu and fact that he saved him.
>And you think this is acceptable and enjoyable writing?
Well, it happens in all Fate works, not just Prisma. Maybe it's even reason why series is called "Fate".
>but that doesn't mean it's good.
But it's really good.
Oh, we're getting into this now?
Cause that's even better. Miyu-Shirou inherently didn't have the same imprinting of ideals onto him that FSN Shirou had, because from a child, he specifically saw the darker parts of what made Kerry Kerry.
He was like, a 12 year old, and didn't know shit about anything, other than that his dad was a hero, but was kind of creepy and weird, so when the time to pick killing the little kid or not happened, the answer was a foregone conclusion. Don't murder someone cause your dad says so.
There is no weight here. That's what makes the idea that this is "HF Shirou" a complete joke.
>Well, it happens in all Fate works, not just Prisma. Maybe it's even reason why series is called "Fate".
Fate and predestination (which are not inherent in FSN, mind you. Breaking Fate is a core theme in a lot of stories) still need to be based in logic, and a good story still needs to be a good story in the first place.
You can't go into an extensive flashback story arc elaborating on a character's past, and just hand-wave these concepts with ideas like "fate".
>But it's really good.
It's popcorn reading. Once a month you look at it to see what the guy's pulled out of his ass while writing.
>Point is just that that his final decision is similar to HF in base
In base only. That needs to be directly pointed out.
There's struggle in the choices he made in HF. Shirou had an ideal that was ingrained in him from his father, someone he saw as absolute perfection. He didn't learn that he was screwy, or a cold blooded murderer, he was a Hero of Justice, this drives Shirou so much, that in two routes, he goes on to follow in his dad's footsteps.
In HF though, he's faced with going against his ideals, and also learns some darker truths about his dad, and so there's a whole emotional bag of stuff going on, with him having to rethink life choices that he had for years, and think his thoughts on people he thought he knew.
This Shirou saw Kerry up front from basically the first time meeting him. He's not the peak of an ideal, he's a man with faults, so there's no way that would lead to the fervent belief in being a hero that FSN Shirou had, so when the time comes to pick between his ideals and the life of someone, the life of someone is obvious.
Doubly obvious when there's no immediate danger. That's another thing about HF. There's always a ticking clock, with news reports about people dying, and the danger ramping up. In Miyu's world, there's some vague threat that the world is dying, but it's not gonna happen for years.
>Fate and predestination (which are not inherent in FSN, mind you. Breaking Fate is a core theme in a lot of stories) still need to be based in logic
Nasuverse strongly operates butterfly effect and alternate realities. One change can make great difference (see various routes in FSN), but when some character exist, his origin is always same or at least similar in certain maner.
>and a good story still needs to be a good story in the first place
Fact that you don't like some story, it doesn't make bad.
>You can't go into an extensive flashback story arc elaborating on a character's past, and just hand-wave these concepts with ideas like "fate".
If it used in right way, then why not?
Its not vs
Both of them have their assigned role here; Sakura is the girlfriend potential, and Miyu is the little sister. Shirou hasn't ever thought of Miyu in that way.
However if he had to pick one and only one, he already promised he'd save Miyu no matter what, so she's the one he's gotta save. Its like in HF; Ilya still means a lot to Shirou, but Sakura was the one he promised to save, so he's gotta honor that promise to his soul.
However Miyu is still just his sister role, its not sexual. He has imagined his future with Sakura, and thought about dating, but Imouto saving has to come first here. Imouto always gotta come first here, but its not a competition where they're both after his dick or anything.
Now that he's saved his Imouto, he can maybe save the other person who he cared about and saved his life, or he can try to call his cards where he stands and move to the other dimension.
Either way really.
>when some character exist, his origin is always same or at least similar in certain maner
I've gone over the "similarities" between Shirou and Miyu-Shirou, and they come down to superficial at best. >>136143067
A changed origin due to the necessity of Hiroyama's current plot at hand, and a heavily reworked story arc that lacks any of the potential layers that came from the original character.
Passing it all off as "fate" is bullshit, it comes down to weakly plotted out narrative.
If you like it, hey, rock on, buddy, but don't act like these complaints of mine aren't thought out or baseless opinion.
>Doubly obvious when there's no immediate danger.
>There's always a ticking clock.
Here is also ticking clock in form of Miyu who is only one remaining miracle that can save that world, but she can lose her powers by any second once she reach sixth birthday. And thus everyone are going after her.
He was happy, but then Julian ruined it.
It was even confirmed that in this moment, he felt a genuine human happiness, for a brief bit.
In order to be happy in this world he just needed three things; his kouhai, his sister, and his friend. They were his ideal world, they were his happiness.
Yeah maybe you should read the last few chapters again.
Sakura giving a speech about how life is pretty good, accidentally caused Shirou to feel a genuine emotion.
Which even Julian admits was the first time he had seen Shirou like that.
But he already chose Miyu when he was a kid. Years past. He's settled his choice long ago.
HF was two weeks. Less than that, even. Miyu and Shirou mulled about for literal years. The ticking clock here is more like a ticking calendar, but with nothing to rush to, because the decision was already made.
>A changed origin due to the necessity of Hiroyama's current plot at hand
It's not really changed origin, but rather another possibility of same character.
>don't act like these complaints of mine aren't thought out or baseless opinion
Well, all I see is "They change it, now it suck" optinion.
Well thank you for your well thought out response.
I mention how there's significantly less weight in Shirou's ideal due to the way that he lived out his life, I mention how there's less drama in choosing between Miyu and his ideal as a result of things, I mention how there's less tension in general because the danger is far flung, and the story literally took a time skip in a flashback to years later, all so some things could start to happen.
If you actually read what I said, you'd know that it's a very different origin, one to the point of where I'd argue Ilya-Shirou actually has a closer background.
>But he already chose Miyu when he was a kid. Years past. He's settled his choice long ago.
No, he wasn't. You don't really read it, don't you.
>Person who was always there for him as a friend
>Tried to give him a card to give him a chance to fight to save his sister, but also tried to save his life telling him he could just run away from it all even though she already knew the answer, would be dead without her right now. Made him feel human emotions for the first time. When push came to shove, she tried to save him over everything.
>"Oh man how shit, I've gotta hate this character on principle and nothing else, because I've gotta keep this hatred alive forever"
Just let it go, don't be bringing your hatred from F/SN forever here. Just look at Prism as though its something independent. She hasn't even done anything to hate here. It was already proven that even when she was Lancelot she's being mind-fucked and controlled for now.
>like he was kind to Sakura in his own way before he found out the truth.
No he wasn't. He was less bad than he is now, but the narration plainly said he treated her like a servant to feed his ego until reality slapped him in the face and he hated her just for coming into the family.
There was no point he treated her well.
As long as it makes you salty, anon.
Rin's gonna win Ilya-Shirou, and Sakura will probably win Miyu-Shirou. I don't know why that flusters you so much.
I get it, you're probably one of those /u/ shippers who wants Rin to get with Luvia, but the fact is that nobody luvs Luvia.
Thank you for proving that you really don't really read anything. He is already adult here. There is no time skip after that. That was long before. Next scene after this scene happens exactly next morning, where he decides finally take her out of house after all these years. So in other words. Miyu was kidnaped just one day after he made his decision, and just due his own mistake, when he broke Kiritsugu's order about never let Miyu leave house.
Let's continue in this discussion after you REALLY read things. Until then it's pointless and I already need go to bed.
Okay yeah, I made a tiny mistake with that page, but it doesn't matter.
Shirou literally waited years living with Miyu. There was no gripping conflict, he already obviously chose her after his dad died. That page was just him reaching a conclusion he made long ago.
Again, this all comes back to how it's essentially a joke version of the choice he made in HF. Things were so safe that he was able to sit on his hands for years.
Really? Cause the only mistake I'm seeing here is that Shirou only verbally made his decision years later, but the conclusion was obvious, considering he raised her after Kerry died.
If you can point out any other errors, feel free, but you're not gonna get far by going "gotcha" on this.
>he treated her like a servant to feed his ego
Yes, that's being 'kind in his own way', which means 'the best you can get from him'. That's how he is.
Even Sakura missed that Shinji, don't be a bitch about it.
3rei is now basically Heaven's Feel done right. The reason i could never agree with HF Shirou is that he gives up every ideal he had to save someone with the personality of a especially boring doormat. Having him throw away his ideals to save Miyu is something i can see why he would do and it makes it a lot more interesting.
Wait. how does Sakura even have the GIl card, doesn't Angelica already have it at this point? She skewered the fuck out of Shirou a few chapters ago.
Did Sakura steal it? No way Jullian would just give it to her.
I just followed this conversation back, and its retarded as shit.
She's not dead, and she's not going to die. Its a magical girls series where Ilya saves everyone in the end, for kids.
As long as you're human, and not some monster of the week, you are saved, end of story, stop being delusional with "She's already dead".
Even Julian is going to be redeemed by the end of this shit somehow.
Miyu-Sakura and Shirou will finally have their moment together before both dying.
Miyu will be told during/right before said death to let him go and live a good life with her new family on the other side.
Miyu-world will be drestroyed in the end and almost everyone will die, sans Ilya-crew and maybe one or two friends like Tanaka and Ainsworth loli.
>2 shipping pages
The pages were building around stuff for Rin. Don't look at them in a bubble. They were all part of the Girls Situation chapters.
They're just part of the Girls Situation side chapters that Silver Link hasn't animated yet. They're pretty interesting chapters. I mean they even cover why this version of Rin went to London in the first place.
Zouken is noted to have literally tossed her in the pit on the first night for shits and giggles, despite his "plan" for the fifth or sixth war and using her. I suspect he was already decaying at that point, personally.
Imagine that. You arrive at your new home for the first time, and that very knight you are thrown into a pit with worms slithering all over you and inside you as well. That would be a massive nightmare. I'm glad they never animated that.
what the fuck this isn't lesbian lolis
Silver Link already knows what's end game.
Not only swords, he would get every single weapon that the gate has. People sometimes forget that Shirou isn't limited to just swords.
Rin's NTRing of Issei continues across multiple realities.
There's also older lesbians as well.
>But even if we must desist for this battle, there is a chance for the next one in 60 years. There is no doubt that an excellent user can be born from the daughter of the Tōsaka. I have high expectations for this as a good vessel."
>People sometimes forget that Shirou isn't limited to just swords.
>Q: What is the limit of replication in UBW? The highest level of NP (sword types) is probably Ea, but while it might be impossible for Shirou, could Archer make it? Also, under the meaning of weapons, to what extent can he make modern weapons? Must it be only blade types or can he make guns and mobile weapons?
>A: Divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur are non-replicable. There might be some degraded NPs with similar performance in stock though. Also, since sword is becoming his origin, the weapons that he has stored are fundamentally limited to close combat.
He's limited to it only being close range items; like swords or spears. Also no divine or demonic weapons either.
Now read FSN.
>That thing prepared as an experiment is so suitable you could call it perfect.
>It was planned to be disposable, but if it can be used, it should be.
>Either way, it is something that was planned to be disposed of.
>Even if it is destroyed in battle, it does not change the fact that it will be disposed.
By FSN he doesn't give a shit she is meant to just die.
He replicated "something", but it was too far degraded to be called Excalibur anymore, thus it can't be called it.
It was something too broken down and warped to go by that name, but it was "something". Only in CCC does he get it close enough that it can still be called Excalibur, even if degraded.
>- In EXTRA, the conditions for wrought iron are boosted so projection of holy-sword class weaponry is possible, though their performance is inferior.
>Okay truth is, I was surprised to find that the staff in charge of the 3D had made animation for Excalibur being projected while I was looking the other way.
>Well it is new animation after all and there’s no reason to reject it.
>So long as it's an inferior knockoff, I guess it's okay.
>- Sword F/SN Archer projects = "似たような性能の、型落ち宝具". (from CM3)
>Sword EXTRA Archer projects = "劣化品" (from EM)
Shirou is a sword.
Does that mean he could project himself?
IIRC this has been asked before and Nasu said something along the lines of "it's possible but it's also a very complicated projection meaning it would be difficult for Shirou to pull off."
>ONLY WAY TO HAVE SHIROU FOR MYSELF IS TO TAKE LANCELOT AND KILL HIM, THAT WAY HE WONT LOVE HIS SISTER ANYMORE
That and there were some others I think I'm missing. I've got, the VN's, Prisma's, Zero's, Fate's, UBW's, and a couple of Emiyas from the complete FSN soundtrack collection.
I remember that some months ago, an anon compiled a mega download of all the versions of Emiya available, but I can't recall what it had in it beyond the remix.
I wonder how compatible Caster would have been with Shirou. They seem like a perfect match, he's a great frontliner when combined with her enhancement, and he's the perfect waifu she always wanted.
Its no Rho Aias, rather its the world tree
The creation of worlds.
I can't say they even look too similar. People just go "Well this has petals, and that has petals...".
Visually it might look more like Robin Hood's Yew Bow attack.
She enhances Kuzuki with her magic to the point that he can stand up to Saber, however briefly, despite the fact that Kuzuki is effectively a normalfag.
Shirou with his projections is already on par with enhanced Kuzuki. Enhance him further with her magic, and he starts getting to be a respectable tank for Caster. Shirou hard counters Gil, so no need to worry about him, and Medea has all the down-low on Berserker, so that generally keeps him out of the way. Their biggest challenges would be Lancer, then Archer.
>Shirou with his projections is already on par with enhanced Kuzuki
Great logic there, considering Shirou got his face beaten in both times he tried to fight that guy, and wasn't on par.
No the anime isn't a proper source, but even in the anime he lost both times, and couldn't keep up with him, even though the anime tried to give him a slightly better showing.
At least we still have a Sakura in this spinoff. Foxtail on the other hand, is just killing Sakuras from left to right.
Not that guy, but in their first encounter, when Shirou first projected, it ended roughly in a draw no matter what the version. Kuzuki and Caster both had to back off because Shirou's actions enabled Saber to get back up.
He lost the second time yeah, though.
There's at least three more, and they're all good characters.
Kingprotea ain't dying so quickly, Kingprotea is strong.
Kingprotea has additional loli form, which gives her plot protection.
Nursery and Alice are lolis, and they still die. Also wasn't Meltlilith an insane moe yandere loli (tall spiky legs aside)? The fact that they have already kill two pretty much means that the rest will also go down eventually, unless the author decides to be unfair to the deceased ones.
Enkidu's Enuma Elish is backed up by the Counter Force and gets scaled to match the threat against the planet. It makes sense for it to be that big considering the upper limit of its power.
>unless the author decides to be unfair to the deceased ones.
Well yeah, no shit.
The author is using ideals that was discarded from the original CCC for this story. It was noted that one of the discarded ideas is that Violet survives and converts to the good side, possibly with Kazuradrop who is also good. Unless Kazuradrop is killed before then. However its noted she's not a battler, so the MC will not kill her, rather she just sells you things in the arena.
Melt and Passion were a bit too wild in that respect.
Hakuno seems to have already talked down Protea into a somewhat docile state, as she's helping on now a bit. However that's one powder keg that's probably still going to explode later.
Lilith was designed to be an older girl, despite how she's a week old.
Sorry for being new, I just started watching the Fate Series and I'm very confused on the world. I never played the games or read the manga,ln,etc.
I decided to start with the Fate/Zero route, since it would be a lot easier to access.
Do I need to the series and play the game to get a better understanding of the world? I feel like I'm missing out on it because of inexperience. Sorry for the blog shit. please no bully.
Some extend the age limit to 14 or 16 years old. Also Alice and Nursery's legs are not that short.
Well, you started off on the wrong foot by beginning with Fate/Zero.
The original Fate/stay night visual novel is the glue of the franchise. Once you read that, you can pretty much go anywhere.
Wasn't Meltlilith the most popular of the new Sakuras, japanese even made a poll to rank the most pouplar antagonists/villains and Meltlilith managed to beat BB. Speculation is that she won due to Hayamin's influence.
Many consider Kuro, Illya, and Miyu lolis, despite their legs not being that short. I suppose that it's a matter of perspective, but I always found Lilith's height to be the same one as Kuro's.
To other little girls is the point.
It might just be perspective because I know very few images of Lillith, but in the one I quoted certainly, she has very long legs and much more than you'd consider to be on very young girls. I don't think Kuro/Ilya's legs are very long, they're normal sized, looks like a bit less than half their body length, whereas in the photo of Lillith it's quite a bit past that.
Quick edit. It seems that their legs are almost the size, but take into consideration that Meltlilith's feet are pointing downwards and that she is standing than Kuro. I suppose that it depends on the artists style if some girls look loli-er than others.
If by bending you mean slightly leaning back sure, regardless it's in contrast to your own body size anyways, and a quick estimation of foot to hip on them both gives me a full head or so past Lillith and half a head for Kuro. You get the point.
Also that rule about heads is not something universally accepted to rank lolis. There is no easy way to determine the height limit for a loli, and let's not even talk about age limits, because half of the lolis in anime/manga are even more than a 100 years old.
I never mentioned ages besides what age they look like. I also wasn't talking about how many heads tall they were, just about how long their legs are in comparison to the rest of their body.
Again, not an universally accepted method to determine what is and what is not a loli. Even Illya doesn't look that much like a loli when you compare her to Erika, and when you realize that she is almost as tall as Rin. Point still stands, Meltlilith can be considered a loli under some parameters.
It really depends on the situation if Meltlilith gets to kill Hakuno fast. Her punishment reveals that she keeps herself from killing him constantly because she really want to be loved back as a girl. Not being a complete monster that melts and absorbs anyone instantly caused her demise in the long run. Believe me. she could have been such a great ally if Hakuno had really loved her back as girl and found a way to convince her of his feelings.
Well, at least the author of Fate/Meltlout found a clever way for that to happen, and for the Alter Egos to fight between each other.