>>135968680 I really like the characters, they interact relativity realistically. There's a lot of small details like the main character's hair growing out after the initial haircut, and cutting it after the apology scene. Also it looks really nice.
guys! guys! I'm a paid shill but I need to detoxify right now what shit other than the ones below should I add for my shitpost catalog for this show? >its garbage because nothing happened >pfft, grown men crying? chasing his dream? he should grow up! bwahaha! >it isn't moe, this'll sell bad, not even Fractale levels >where are the manly explosions? >I tip my fedora to this show, I like it! *Nod* towards some general direction >talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk >I can't self insert into any of the characters. this is crap >no loli, no fanservice. shit show >what's comedic about that? this isn't funny... >this is a good show to watch so I can fall asleep >wheres the pantsu? >if I wanted to watch a mature show for mature people like myself, I'll watch South Pork >0/10, didn't even need to watch a second of it
I literally had absolutely no idea what this was going to be about when I found it by randomly browsing through the new simulcasts on Crunchyroll (It didn't even come with a description of the show, and that caught my interest), so from the very start I was in for a ride.
I gotta say, this was some different stuff than the usual batch. I actually found myself enjoying it a lot. I can't believe this is done by DEEN. I shall follow this.
I legitimately liked MC and found the burglar story funny. I am ready to accept my fate /a/
When you were a kid, you likely had an uncle who visited you every so often. He would act erratic and seem completely odd to you, but he was entertaining and fun to be with. He'd talk about nonsense and you'd eagerly listen. When his stories ended, you wanted more.
>>135968680 The character dynamics and sense of history between them seem well-established. The period setting is well utilized for thematic purposes, some good stuff here about the process of creating art. Etc etc.
>lovely characters >interesting drama waiting to be expanded upon >qt as fuck tomboy >meaningful interaction >comfy, unique setting >gorgeous OST >neat premise, is a story about storytelling I can't really think of anything this show outright does wrong. I hope the rest of the season can match this quality without being an OVA
>>135982246 I just asked a question. Some people are ashamed of their homosexuality and it comes out as hatred against those who are comfortable expressing their desires. Vast majority of homophobic people are emotionally immature, though, hence the latter option.
>>135982731 I have no need to enable or disable them, for me gay people are like any other type of people. I'm merely interested in individuals motives for saying and doing stuff. Especially when they do it anonymously.
>>135982894 >all drama and playing victim That's a decent point actually. Some of them tend to be a little bit too bitchy about "discrimination". It's the same with black people. They don't have it so bad anymore so they should just be happy about that and do something actually constructive to further their cause.
>>135967964 A decent show that's going to get circle jerked to hell and back by a very vocal fanbase who wants to pretend they're mature and sophisticated for watching a show with an older cast and a more matte color palette. Get ready for lots of claims that it has the most realistic, mature and interesting characters ever, despite the characters being nothing special outside of great voice acting.
They're the same idiots that spammed Ping Pong as AOTY because they think "all anime is garbage, but this one is truly different and engaging." They're idiots.
>>135978392 >>135980466 She's cute. MC ends up with her, right? This is a show about a guy trying to pick up an honest living inspired by Rakugo, not dumb NTR romance garbage, right?? If I wanted trashy romance I'd subject my self to Seo Kouji.
>>135983626 You're probably right anon, my AOTY 2014 was ping pong, 2015 was shirobako, and 2016 might end up being this, I watched all three with a big smile on my face the whole time, and I can't wait for more. Although I think the "all anime is shit now" mindset is full of shit, I just really like character heavy shows.
>>135967964 Kyouji, in prison after taking the blow for his yakuza senior, watches Yakumo, the “last grand master of Shouwa rakugo”, perform the “Shinigami” (Death) story. He’s drawn in by the old man’s dynamism. The master’s hands move like they’re possessed by the characters he’s playing; his eyes contort with such comic exaggeration that Kyouji can’t help but laugh. The ex-yakuza decides: once he gets out of prison, he’s going to learn rakugo; and from Yakumo himself.
That’s the premise Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu (lit. The Lover’s Suicide of Mid-Showa Rakugo) begins with. Currently, only the first OAD has been released, with a second coming in August, after which the TV anime series is set to begin. Shinichi Omata (alias Mamoru Hatakeyama) holds the directorial position for both works. It’ll be the third work of which he’s taken a directorship, after Rozen Maiden — Zurückspulen and Sankarea. From the first OAD alone, it looks promising.
>>135985682 Rakugo Shinjuu noticeably departs, both in aesthetic and narrative detail, from the material one might expect from a manga adaptation. Over the course of its forty-three minute running time, the narrative complexifies in dramatic bounds. Yakumo accepts Kyouji as his apprentice, granting him the nickname Youtarou (“dim-witted man”), only for the latter to find out that the master has no intention of passing on his craft; he plans instead on taking the art with him to the grave in a “lover’s suicide”. Konatsu, a young lady in Yakumo’s care after the death of her father—another rakugo performer—and who wants desperately to practice the male-dominated art, accuses Yakumo of “killing” her father. Youtarou and Konatsu form a teacher-student relationship as the latter reluctantly agrees to teach the apprentice what she learned from her father. And one of Youtarou’s old yakuza pals (the same one he took the blow for) comes around to try and rope him back into crime. Some number of developments later, the episode reaches its climax with Youtarou’s first successful performance: “Dekigokoro” (passing fancy).
It presents all of this with a kind of subdued, almost unnoticeable deliberateness. Shots rarely take on dramatic angles, the majority of them are medium shots with characters blocked into the center of the shot. Jarring contrasts, abstractions and juxtapositions are exclusively reserved for Yakumo’s performances, and even they’re rather tame. The OAD’s depiction of the rakugo stage is clean and symmetrical, free of any heavy shadows or major points of visual attention save for the actor.
But this unpretentiousness serves a purpose. It separates the world of the performance—characterized in Yakumo’s performances by stark contrasts, in the comic material by simple archetypes, and in other performances like these by simple lighting—from the messier real world, which is marked with heavy, dramatic shadows and high degrees of visual clutter.
>>135985704 Equally impressively, the camerawork accentuates both Youtarou’s and Yakumo’s performative strengths. When Youtarou tries to practice Yakumo’s “Shinigami” routine, Konatsu walks in and tells him, “The shinigami persona doesn’t fit you. That kind of dark Death personality only works because the old man does it.” (A statement which, satisfyingly, is also informed by Konatsu’s intense dislike of Yakumo.) Accordingly, Yakumo’s performance constantly draws attention to his frail frame, with his thin hands and aged, sexy eyes. The camera acts differently for Youtarou during his (twelve minute long!) “Dekigokoro” routine: his silly, expressive face is constantly in view, and as he warms up to his routine, the camera begins to take on more dynamic angles.
Thematically, perhaps it’s too early to speak. There are ideas, in their nascent stages, here and there. The influence of one’s life on their art—Youtarou picks the “Dekigokoro” story because it involves an ineffective thief, reminding him of his own time as a petty gangster. There’s the idea of the “right role”—Konatsu’s comment about Youtarou’s “Shinigami”; Konatsu’s inability to break into rakugo because she’s a woman. It just remains to be seen whether these seeds, and a couple of unmentioned others, sprout into anything worthwhile.
I think Rakugo Shinjuu is worth giving a try, when it airs in the fall. Or whenever this OAD gets subtitled.
>>135987901 Idk man I think he is spot on, The only reason I enjoyed ping pong was because it felt different and kinda original, but I still couldn't visit /a/ due to its absolute circle jerk because it made me feel bad about watching it. this show is following the same trend .
>>135992028 >This is the most accurate post I've read in a long time >But I don't want to admit to being a hipster faggot, so I'll pretend the other guy is wrong. Go ahead. Explain why this show is phenomenal without citing anything related to it being different than all other anime which you perceive to be shit.
>>135992105 The WRITING maybe? After watching so many anime with the absolute lowest level of writing(which doesn't mean I don't enjoy them) something like Rakugo which very clearly is trying to tell a meaningful story deeply tied into its characters and plot to deliver an enjoyable watching experience is like a gift from god.
>>135992105 there are almost certainly people watching it for not being as blatantly cliche ridden as other shows, but you can hardly apply that to everyone watching, and it's in no way a criticism of the show itself I'm not sure what the point of all your shit even is, for every show ever there are people watching it for the image, and people watching it for itself
if you want to tell me the show is bad, then go ahead - but I'm gonna want tangible evidence to go along with whatever arguments you come up with
>>135994306 The pacing is too fast. It's trying to fit too much into too little time. This leads to overdone and overdramatic acting for emotional scenes, which given that the character drama is the cornerstone of the show, is a problem.
The other big thing the show has going for it is rakugo and Japanese cultural references, and I'm willing to bet that no one in this thread even speaks a word of the language.
Yes, saying "I like it because I think it's different" is stupid, because it's a childish mindset that shows your too eager to distinguish yourself over literally nothing. The show isn't bad by any stretch, but it's not great.
>>135994517 >the pacing is too fast I don't think the pacing was too fast at all. At which points did you feel like it was hard for you to follow? >overdone and overdramatic acting Examples of which are..? Your comment surprises me; the acting (both character and voice) seems to be the one thing everyone agrees is excellent. I can run around through the episode and screenshot instances of great character acting if you need. I was really impressed by the attention to body language and facial movements throughout. >rakugo and Japanese cultural references I only speak the tiniest bit of Japanese and I sure as hell can't understand what's going on without slowly looking everything up. That being said, nothing ever felt lost on me, and the fact that I and many others are praising the show points to it being enjoyable despite your perceived "untranslatability" (far from it, if there are things only native speakers would understand I don't think our missing them detracts from the experience in any substantial way). >"I like it because it's different" is stupid Not that its "differences" are why I like it, but in defense of others: why is difference not a likable quality? Should we not praise that which is creative, unique or outstanding? I'll give an example for myself - last year's Yuri Kuma Arashi was riddled with flaws but despite them I recognize the effort that was there, the honest attempt at trying something the average TV show wouldn't dare to do. I really appreciated it for that, and although I can't look past its problems I think that alone is good enough grounds for watching and justifying your enjoyment.
>>135995092 >I don't think the pacing was too fast at all It is very much too fast. They tried to fit way too much into 40 minutes, and by doing that the audience finds less room to sympathize with the characters.
>At which points did you feel like it was hard for you to follow? Yeah we're done here. I'm not going to waste my time if that's the kind of pathetic strawman you're going to resort to. Enjoy your hipster anime.
>>135995226 >less room to sympathize with the characters Who, exactly? Yotaro and the girl are I think the ones most needing sympathy and I felt they were quite well done. Loads of people have been commenting on feeling second hand pain for Yotaro's failure of an opening act and falling asleep, and while that's recognizably bad I don't think it's hard to keep rooting for him. The girl too, is framed as a strong character but she has striking moments of weakness. The one where she accuses the master of killing her father was pretty powerful. >strawman Isn't that literally the definition of fast pacing though? Information being given out faster than one can take in?
>>135995516 >backdown >Idiot uses an actual strawman >backdown Backdown against what? Him making things up?
>>135995552 >Who, exactly? Literally all of them. They went through introductions, backstories, training, trials and tribulations, failure and redemption in a single episode. If you don't think that's too fast then you don't know what pacing is.
>Isn't that literally the definition of fast pacing though? No, you idiot.
>>135995679 Buddy I'm not trying to strawman you, if I made a mistake then correct me without throwing a fit. Let's go with "I don't know what pacing is" then. What's your definition of pacing then? I think it's fine to have a lot happen in an episode so long as it's all appropriately taken in by the viewer. Hell I'd argue the pacing was great, the fact that so much happened lends a lot to the show. I've seen a lot of people use flowery words like "captivated" as a testament to how absorbed they were in what was going on.
>>135995904 >if I made a mistake then correct me without throwing a fit. If you can't define one of the most basic facets of storytelling (define, not articulate on or critique, where we stand you don't even know what the word means) then why would I take anything you have to say on the topic of discussing the merits of a story seriously?
>>135996075 Why are you hiding your definition then? Not to accuse you of avoiding the actual argument but I legitimately want you to address this. I'm 100% open to you being right and me being wrong, but you're doing an awful job of convincing me. I don't think my definition of what constitutes fast pacing is wrong, but if you can give me a better one I'll gladly argue with that in mind.
>>135996346 I don't particularly care who I'm talking too, hell if more people wanna jump in with their own experiences that'd be great. Curious as to how everyone here found the pacing of the show, however ambiguous the term apparently is.
>>135996283 >your "correct" definition >Implying the definition of pacing is subjective and you didn't just use a word completely incorrectly You can make pathetic grabs at reverse psychology all you want, it's not going to stop you from being wrong.
>>135996494 >your definition then? See above. It's not "my" definition. It's "the" definition. Nothing's stopping you from educating yourself on what constitutes pacing in a story and then coming back to try to discuss the show. Remember, "I liked the show so the pacing is good" doesn't define the pacing either.
>I don't think my definition of what constitutes fast pacing is wrong That's cool, but that won't change what the concept of pacing in story telling actually is. Trying googling some combination of the words "pacing" and "storytelling" and then do a bit of reading before you post again.
>>135996682 >That's cool, but that won't change what the concept of pacing in story telling actually is. >you don't think you're wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that you're wrong Alright, you guys, this argument has reached the stopping point. Just don't respond to each other, please.
>>135996682 Not letting you run away from this. From what I understand, and from literally every definition I've found on google, "pacing" refers to the rhythm and tempo at which a story is set. Good pacing keeps the viewer engaged, while bad pacing either causes boredom or moves faster than the viewer can digest.
Is that acceptable? The original argument was that the pacing was too quick. The closest thing to an explanation I've heard was: >They went through introductions, backstories, training, trials and tribulations, failure and redemption in a single episode. From any definition that's not an indication of bad pacing. I think more often than not people weren't bored by the show, and I don't think impact was lost at the density of events per unit of time either. Keep in mind it's an hour long special, too. It's certainly more packed than your average shounen episode but I don't think that's in any way a bad thing.
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