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Is Jap education this fucking bad? Do they even know what the X, Y and Z axis are for?

Dont they understand sci-fi has to have SOME logic to it?

I stared in disbelief at this shit, then dropped it.

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Are all people from your family autistic? Taking anime seriously and making a post in 4chan to feel intellectually superior by making fun of chinese cartoons?

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>>135942309

Missing my point completely.

Why did the author needed to do this? When you can simply call W a parallel dimension and be done with it.

Why try to say something so retarded for no reason?

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>>135942187

Why don't you tell us what's so wrong with that representation, if you're so smart.

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>>135942437

Oh wow, sasuga /a/.

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>sci-fi has to have SOME logic to it?

Since when?

Retarded Sci-fi plots are pretty common.

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>>135942580

But you dont contradict what cant be contradicted, you are supposed to expand on what already exists and imagine the future.

Otherwise your audience just cant take you seriously.

Itd be like a story where is suddenly discovered that water is actually fire and that the number 3 is actually the number 6

I mean whats the point?

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>>135942664

The point is who gives a shit? Go get a graham cracker and a juice box and chill the fuck out.

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>>135942778

>who cares lol stop being such a nerd

Sounding like a casual normalfag there.

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>>135942187

huh?

x, y = 2d

x, y, z = 3d

x, y, z, w = t i m e

actually, anime should be missing z only

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>>135942370

>When you can simply call W a parallel dimension

I don't watch the show, and I doubt it's realistic (and I wouldn't care), but that makes less sense than saying an extra dimension was discovered (orthogonal, not parallel, to the normal 3 dimensions of space).

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>>135942843

>x, y, z, w = t i m e

Please tell me you are fucking joking

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The anime is shit anyways.

Stupid plot or not.

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>>135942843

>x, y, z, w = t i m e

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>>135942875

>he doesn't know about the T.I.M.E. axis

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>>135942460

>>135942875

We've yet to see proof of your superior intelligence, stop dodging already

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What's wrong with that though?

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>>135942664

Perhaps you should tell that to every sci-fi author ever (including Isaac Asimov) that uses FTL travel even though it is completely impossible.

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>>135942875

>someone has not been watching his morgan freeman

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>>135942957

>Perhaps you should tell that to every sci-fi author ever (including Isaac Asimov) that uses FTL travel even though it is completely impossible.

You can technically go FTL with Alcubierre Drives and still obey all the laws of the universe.

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The term OP is searching for is "HARD science-fiction", not "science-fiction".

Pay special attention to the word in all capital letters.

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any 4D point can be represented as directed line segments in 2D plane

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>>135942957

FTL travel is way more excusable than this, its almost a staple of sci-fi really, established way before it was known if it was really impossible

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>>135942843

Time is not a spatial dimension.

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>>135942957

>impossible

do you have any proof?

you know it is as stupid as saying it is possible

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>>135942187

Dude , there has always been four axis.

Length, Width, Depth and Height.

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>>135942843

spacetime*

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>>135942993

Except causality.

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>>135943058

this desu senpai

I'm surprised you didn't learn this in your Ameritard prison schools.

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>>135942993

that is not settled yet.

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>>135942957

B-but anon! Even though surpassing the speed of light completely SHATTERS the laws of physics, it isn't impossible because it hasn't occurred yet!!!

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>>135942187

>You thought there were only four dimensions? We have discovered a new, zeroth dimension, the w dimension, which exists in the form of a spiral, the ultimate form of evolution, and this new dimension is what powers dark holes.

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>>135943080

>>135943108

It's settled and it doesn't harm causality.

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>>135942664

Haven't you heard aboud soft and hard Sci-fi? Most authors don't give too much of a shit about actual science.

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>>135943058

Width, Depth, Height and Density

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>>135942187

Its called science fantasy. There are magical girls and magical boys. This is not sci-fi you dumb fuck.

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It's some kind of higher dimension, isn't it?

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>>135943056

If you travel close to the speed of light between two 'stationary' points, you will experience practically no time interval. Going faster than light makes no sense because you can't improve your travel time below zero. It doesn't make sense to talk about increasing your speed relative to the observers beyond the speed of light either, because that means you can travel around a closed loop in space-time, violating causality.

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>>135943156

Every sci-fi fag on /a/ is obsessed with realistic sci-fi and the idea that anything soft is just fantasy and not real sci-fi. It's ridiculous.

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>>135943249

quantum theory teleportation and wormholes

good luck proving or disproving any of it

we only have enough info for speculations based on speculations

claiming existence or non existence is equally retarded

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>this thread

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>>135943421

it is like quantum theory

no one understands but everyone talks about it

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>>135943279

>>135943156

The most funny thing that all those pseudo intellectuals copy/paste from this site http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/

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>>135943249

Tau Zero was a fun book.

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>>135943387

>quantum theory teleportation

This doesn't mean going faster than the speed of light.

>and wormholes

Neither does this, which is why Alcubierre Drives are viable.

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>>135943496

Even QM experts admit they don't truly understand QM.~~I understand and agree that there is a difference between QM experts discussing QM, and random anons ITT discussing QM.~~

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>>135943387

You do realise that 'quantum teleportation' necessarily needs a speed-of-light signal to decode the transmission and hence cannot communicate information faster than the speed of light?

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>>135943556

you are not thinking in portals

improve

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>>135943387

>tfw quantum entanglement was proven last year

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How accurate is the science in this?

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>>135943574

you can always invent a signal fatter than light

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>>135943249

What?

I thought you couldn't travel faster than light because the near infinite mass increase when accelerating. Or is it different now?

What about the idea of moving the universe around you, is that still a thing?

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>>135943659

>visible galaxies in the night sky

not at all.

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>>135942187

Fucking retards not even understanding that spacetime is a four-dimensional topological manifold with a smooth atlas carrying a torsion-free connection compatible with a Lorentzian metric and a time orientation satisfying the Einstein equations.

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>>135943659

as accurate as the density of prime number in R: The set of real numbers

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>>135943659

Theories. You can prove this shit you, know? Also play Remember11 if you want more

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>>135943697

http://www.youcanseethemilkyway.com/#

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ITT: college freshmen regurgitate articles they read on wikipedia to impress other college freshmen with $10 words

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>>135942187

Preemptively dropped. Will shitpost in the future threads though.

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>>135943697

You can see the milky way if you get off the urban areas, the light pollution prevents it.

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>>135943668

FTL travel is just a geometric impossibility in special relativity. GR complicates the definitions a lot but GR is only important in strong gravity or large scales.

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>>135943668

>I thought you couldn't travel faster than light because the near infinite mass increase when accelerating. Or is it different now?

The infinite mass thing is when you're travelling AT the speed of light. Travelling faster than the speed of light is just impossible.

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>>135942309

You sound like imbecile that blindly swallows every bit of tripe thrown at him without question.

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>>135943668

Not him but

>because the near infinite mass increase when accelerating

Photons have no mass. To travel FTL, you would need infinite energy. A physicist could explain this better. I recognize this is poor.

>What about the idea of moving the universe around you

That's the idea behind Alcubierre drives, yes.

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>>135943828

why is that

it is only theoretically impossible

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>>135943819

Are the two types of relativities two separate entities?

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>>135943844

upgrade your antimatter engines

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>>135942187

That's a drawing.

Two dimensions.

You can project 3 dimensions onto a 2D screen.

You can't project 4 dimensions on a 2D screen, you'd need a 3D screen.

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>>135943888

Special relativity is a 'special' case of GR that applies when the metric is diag(1, -1, -1, -1).

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>>135943844

>Photons have no mass

I believe this is only right in layman terms. Photons are affected by gravity, as is all mass.

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>>135942187

>OP still hasn't explained why this is wrong

Wow OP you are so intellectual and smart.

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>>135943828

I'm not an expert in physics so I might be asking something retarded here, but aren't you always travelling at the speed of light relative to something, eg light particles being reflected from yourself? What is the "infinite mass" relative to?

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>>135942187

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion

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>>135943874

>why is that

Because the speed of light is really the speed of information, it's the fastest speed information can propagate through space.

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>>135942187

>>135942843

You can move along the TIME axis even if your position on the XYZ axis does not change.

Checkmate

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>>135943659

Completely. I turned lesbian last week, and my hand became a cell phone the very next day.

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>>135943936

>You can't project 4 dimensions on a 2D screen

you are funny

you can project 3D to 1D

so you can project 4D to 2D

but none of them would be meaningful projections

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>>135943936

That's not the fucking point.

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>>135943943

No, it's just right generally, photons do not have any mass. But gravity affects the curvature of space and so photons can take different paths due to gravity.

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>>135943249

>If you travel close to the speed of light between two 'stationary' points, you will experience practically no time interval

Explain. Light is not instantaneous.

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>>135944011

also it is only theoretically the fastest

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>>135943915

We can't even currently harness antimatter to any effective scale due to technology levels.

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>>135943957

You aren't travelling at the speed of light relative to anything, since you have mass.

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>>135943943

>>135944046

Photons do have mass though. When they hit things they do impart an energy on them and push them.

Massless things can have mass, I don't really understand this much myself.

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>>135944039

>but none of them would be meaningful projections

That's what I meant, by "you can't"

Or maybe it's purely impossible to comprehend a fourth physical dimension.

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>>135944087

future doesn't care about your technical limitations

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>>135943279

>Every sci-fi fag on /a/ is obsessed with realistic sci-fi

And yet nobody knows shit about physics, math, or any science, they just complain because it doesn't sound realistic enough.

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>>135942580

>Since when?

Sense the name of the genera is Science Fiction

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>>135944075

>only theoretically the fastest

You keep saying this like it has meaning. It's the fastest you can move through regular space.

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>>135944091

That means they have a momentum and energy, not that they have an associated mass.

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>>135944138

Obviously. In the future, we can capture antimatter far more efficiently.

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the plot reminded me to an story where humans also discover a new dimension and start taking energy from there but later the inhabitants get annoyed and declare a war or something. I can't remember very well the name of it

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I want /sci/ to leave.

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How about we discuss how shitty the anime is?

>mega corporation that controls the world

>MC hates the energy source and is a superman

>random loli because why not

>MC will learn to like coils with time and also dismantle the evil shinra

So hard to be interested

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>>135943915

>>135944087

>>135944138

Anti-Matter engines aren't for travelling faster than light, they allow you to hit higher speeds that come closer and closer to the speed of light and get tasty time dilation.

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>>135943113

Black holes used to break physics.

We don't know the limits of technology yet.

Faster than light travel may be an impractical consideration now, but as we gain more insight a pathway may be found.

Even if the limit is absolute, if there is a way to practically act outside of the limitations, we will find and make use of it.

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>>135944091

>When they hit things they do impart an energy on them and push them.

They have energy and momentum, not mass.

Sometimes people make a distinction between "rest mass" and "relativistic mass," but physicists have moved away from this (sadly, not all textbooks.)

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We should just ask /sci/

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This thread is pure cancer.

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>>135944188

/sci/ would be much more cancerous than this thread.

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>>135944156

>That means they have a momentum and energy, not that they have an associated mass.

>That means they have a momentum and energy

So inertial mass.

>>135944192

>Black holes used to break physics.

They still do, at least beyond the event horizon. The cores of Neutron stars are also really weird.

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>>135944089

Does this mean light that is moving directly away from me is moving at below the speed of light relative to me?

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>>135942370

>parallel

That's not how dimensions work either.

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>>135944213

Not even sci can fix the lack of scientific education in this thread

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>>135944150

lets assume that it is the fastest

but how do you know the space is regular outside the observable zone

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>>135944066

Time dilation, forgot the (simple) maths because I'm retard.

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>>135944268

>but how do you know the space is regular outside the observable zone

Guess we'll find that out when we invent the spacetimebubbledrives.

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>>135944263

as sci can fix anything

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>>135944190

MC dancing in the OP was very stupid

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>>135944245

>>That means they have a momentum and energy

>So inertial mass.

No. If you're thinking p=mv or E=mc^2, think again.

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>>135944328

>No. If you're thinking p=mv or E=mc^2, think again.

See my image

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>>135944257

No, light (and any massless particle) is always moving at exactly the speed of light in your reference frame. You cannot Lorentz transform yourself into a frame that changes the speed of light because Lorentz transformations by definition preserve it.

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so light is not incestuous

so it explains while his D never reached the imouto

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>>135944066

It's not instantaneous in your reference frame, from the reference frame of light, the travel time is instantaneous.

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>>135944372

E^2 = p^2c^2 + m^2c^4

m = 0 for photons and thus E = pc, so their momentum is directly propertional to their energy.

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>>135944245

I hope field manipulation will become a thing, that it's possible. Create a vaccuum in the higgs field so all particles behave like they're massless.

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>>135942875

>>135942187

You can have a fourth axis t representing time, making what we call space-time with the xyzt coordinate. You're just ignorant.

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>>135943041

It is.

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>>135944087

there is no antimatter to harness in the first place. it's produced from energy, very inefficiently so.

think of it as energy storage, not an energy source.

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>>135944435

You have lost me.

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>>135944372

Well, see >>135944193

You could say "oh, if they have energy, they have an 'inertial mass' according to m=E/c^2," but that formula is only half the truth.

Actually, it is E^2=(pc)^2+(mc^2)^2, so for m=0, E=pc.

p is momentum, p=gamma*mv, v being velocity. Now for v=c, gamma is infinite, and with m=0, this is technically undefined, can be any finite value.

So, m=0 but E and p are not 0.

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if there is nothing faster than light how do you explain c-beams glittering in the dark near the tannhÃ¤user gate?

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>>135944284

Ah I remembered. For you to travel very close to the speed of light relative to the 'stationary' observers the space-time interval must be close to zero. Space-time interval is preserved in Lorentz transformations, hence in your own frame where you are stationary you experience very little time.

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>>135944245

Mass is just another form of energy, only made 'physical' by field excitations.

Things like quarks may even be one-dimensional points.

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amount of pseudo-science in this thread is reaching a critical state

and no one is talking about the anime

I assume it is utter crap beyond imagination

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>>135944638

Anime discussion is in another thread.

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>>135944595

>>135944533

Is all mass really just empty space given 'mass' only by the energy waves created between gluons/quarks and this sort of tension?

>>135944638

pseudo-science means fake-science though.

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I thought there were 10 or 11 spatial dimensions

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>>135944188

But I like coming here.

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>>135944595

>one-dimensional points

you'd need a continuum of them to get anything that has a non zero dimension

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>>135944688

Let's not bring string theory into this.

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>>135944638

We are talking about how OP is a retard, the anime has his own thread and is the best of the season by far

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>>135944688

You're thinking of the new plot development in Dragonball Super with the 11 alternate universes.

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>>135944552

likely cherenkov radiation, meaning the gate is not in a vacuum.

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>>135942437

The way they've both worded it and visually (attempted) to project there implies a 4th spacial dimension. Which is nonsensical and inherently different to talking about spacetime dimensions.

The way they've described it and shown it is divorced from convention in an unbelievable way.

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>>135944688

what makes you think there are finite number of dimensions? It might not even be countable

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ITT

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>>135944684

>Is all mass really just empty space given 'mass' only by the energy waves created between gluons/quarks and this sort of tension?

That is a deep question, more than you might realize. A proton consists of two up and one down quark, yet there is a huge discrepancy between the sum of the quark masses, and the proton's mass. In a way, yes, most of the mass "comes from" the field/gluons that bind them together.

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>>135944808

the heat sink is way too small

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>>135944245

Doesn't time slow down beyond an event horizon?

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>>135944808

Why is the Outer Space Treaty so fucking stupid? We could be using Orion style rockets to move our crap to Mars instead of shitty putt-putt chemical rockets.

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>>135944684

Yes.

https://youtu.be/X9otDixAtFw~~Yes I know, but the explanation is relatively without error.~~

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>>135944638

The anime is pretty shit yes.

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>>135944866

Time apparently doesn't exist past the event horizon, nothing does from our point of views and it apparently becomes another alternate time-line separate from this universe.

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>>135944866

This probably doesn't answer your question, but for an observer free-falling into a black hole it takes a finite time to reach the singularity at the center.

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>>135944684

Most of the mass of atoms is from the energy of the residual strong nuclear attraction between the quarks that make up the protons and neutrons, so yes. Most mass is just energy. Google the strong force for more information.

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>>135944868

the treaty does not prevent peaceful use of nuclear reactors.

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>>135942309

Must be Japanese.

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>>135944831

So I'm made of 2d waves in space-time.

I am anime.

thank you /a/

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>>135944582

That's what I'm saying. Time slows down because you speed up without realizing it.

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>>135944782

Have they've actually implied it's a spatial dimension that's supposed to work like the familiar 3? Introducing an extra dimension by trying to depict it as an extra axis in addition to the spatial ones isn't particularly nonsensical.

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>>135944912

do we even know time is relatively regular in the universe

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>>135944944

nuclear reactors != orion style rockets

I really don't understand the Treaty, it seems more to appease normalfaggots than actually do anything.

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>>135944714

They're field excitations, they don't have a physical structure as we commonly understand it, no sides, no size aside from that created by their field interactions.

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>>135944943

Hence the energy-mass conversion via E=mc^2.

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>>135944684

I think it's pretty much the opposite with the commonly accepted model today. "Empty space" is a thing derived from the existence of mass/energy (the two are interchangeable).

This also calls into question whether the 4th dimension referred to in the OP, time (which is a patently stupid thing to be shocked at the "discovery" of) actually exists intrinsically or is another derived quantity.

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if you go near light speeds you atoms will move slower and become heavier

do they move slower because they became heavier

or

do they get heavier because they move slower

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>>135944991

No, they haven't. Treating it like an 'extra' dimension is just convenient because you can rework everything in tensor notation.

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>>135944991

Lumping them together with typical x, y and z which all have fairly consistent meanings in this case.

Unless of course they're using the terms abstractly, but lets be honest they definitely aren't considering they're talking about it in terms of a 4th dimension. And the show's description on funi's website supports that.

basically fuck you, that isn't how we'd do it, we're way too into not having to change the way we do things to just lump it in like that.

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>>135944868

Jesus Fuckin Christ

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>>135945062

You're talking shit, friend. Not on purpose I think but your misunderstanding is notable.

>>135945090

They also experience length contraction. Try explaining that shit to anybody here.

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>>135945062

>actually exists intrinsically

Wait wasn't it proven to exist as the curvature of space? We just can't perceive it.

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People just throwing fist at each other because they can't say any better, Typical /a/.

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>>135944804

Ask string theory, not me.

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>>135945140

>I have this crazy idea. Let's explode nuclear BOMBS behind us to propel our spacecraft forwards!

>that's a stupid idea, it'll never work, totally inefficient and a waste of time.

>it actually turns out to be one of the best ideas ever and fucking works great

I love this universe.

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>>135945013

there are other nuclear rocket systems. e.g. those that heat and ionize gas by running it through a reactor

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>>135945151

if atoms get heavier they will get closer till they form a blackhole and disappear

Believe me I watched star-trek

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>>135945154

Misconceptions, both of you have them in droves

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>>135945151

>They also experience length contraction. Try explaining that shit to anybody here.

Not him but is that somehow related to how light seems to experience contraction? I'm only getting this idea because I remember in Gunbuster they had a spaceship approach the solar system at near-light speed and couldn't really see what it was without getting close.

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>>135942187

Personally I like to differentiate sci-fi with scientific fantasy.

To me sci-fi has to be has realistic as possible where as scientific fantasy can do whatever it damn well pleases through the power of magic.

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>>135942309

It's normal. /a/ don't know anything about Japan so they can always assume.

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>>135945283

What is the 4th dimension then? I always thought it was just like a 3d object except when going 90degrees from the corners you go 4th dimensionally (like when going from a square on a piece of paper to a cube).

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>>135945338

You're thinking of light blueshifting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_contraction

Length contraction is a different, more complicated ballgame

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>>135945349

OP still doesn't answer what's wrong.

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>>135945405

you can think of it as density~~doesn't make much sense but whatever~~

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>>135942187

This like my brother after he watched the Martian. The last science class he had was in highschool and it was environmental chem.

When I tried to explain the science he just wanted to argue with me. You fucker I didn't invent the science I just understand it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu4nt_J0D9s#t=5m25s

Thanks professor

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>>135945420

What I remember was stick being within the room while simultaneously being outside of the room depending on the velocity of the observer.

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Yeah that looks like it's just a negative x or y axis.

The 4'th dimension is Time.

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>>135945405

There is no 'the 4th dimension'

There is no 'the 3rd dimension' either

You can't just point to directions and number them as specific dimensions

If you have a pitcher of 3 cups of water, can you point to cup #2?

Time is like adding a cup of oil to the mix. It interacts with the other dimensions, but you can tell it's not quite the same in behavior.

There are 3 dimensions of space, and one of time.

A fourth spatial dimension is a mathematical concept that works take too long to get into , but here's a thing to help explain the concept: http://youtu.be/p4Gotl9vRGs

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>>135945427

Do you really not see from the OP what's wrong with it?

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How the fuck else are you supposed to represent a 4th axis in a coordinate system?

Projecting a 3 dimensional coordinate system into 2d doesn't really work, it just feels normal since our brains can understand 3d.

But now you are projecting 4d into 3d and that into 2d, how the fuck is that supposed to look right?

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>>135945704

It doesn't, that's why is mostly theoretical math.

Fucking Google higher dimensional geometry.

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>>135945657

given a 3 dimensional space you can choose an orthonormal basis

so there are 3 dimensions

as for the 4th dimension I can't say anything

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>>135942187

That illustration is wrong, but the 4th spacial dimension is real enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiWKq57uAlk

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>>135943659

All real theories.

Have to remember though that some of the interpretations the characters make are because they are in middle school and don't have the background to make more educated guesses. Tenjou lampshades it in chapter 7 iirc, "I'm in middle school, I don't understand this, I'm not an expert. But it's an explanation that makes sense."

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>>135944518

Here's a quick cite: http://www.economist.com/node/18802932

It obviously exists and has been observed but cannot be contained for any decent period of time as of yet.

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>>135945754

Saying 'the xth dimension' shows a gross misunderstanding of how dimensions work. There is no specific 'xth' dimension of space, there are simply x dimensions of space

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~~Dark matter doesn't exist. It's theoretical basis is shit and MOND provides a more compelling explanation, while also predicting undiscovered phenomena (galaxies) unlike dark matter.~~

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>>135945859

no I am saying 4th can depend on what you choose and won't make much sense

but you can choose a basis for 3D space

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>>135945902

https://youtu.be/QAa2O_8wBUQ

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Who /Revelation Space/ here

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>>135945820

You're an idiot with half-knowledge. Nay, fractional knowledge.

That's artificially generated antimatter. You see the word CERN there right in the headline? Does that ring a bell? If it doesn't: Particle accelerators.

I'm saying antimatter does not occur in nature in relevant quantities that would be harvestable as energy source. At best, and that requires significant breakthroughs, it could be used as a form of energy storage. You first have to put energy in to get antimatter (and matter) out.

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>>135946014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_Newtonian_dynamics

the tl;dr version is that dark matter never existed, we just misunderstood gravity.

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>people think space and time are on different axis

kek

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>>135946079

It was decent but not that good, I wish there was less bickering between characters and more descriptions of spaceships and events occuring kinda like Blame!.

That said i do have and inerest in the other books, Are they better?

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>>135945704

projections are shit in general

you can do 3D->2D because it is easier to imagine

but if you think the 4th as time and try 4D-2D it doesn't even make sense

after all what guarantees time is perpendicular to other 3

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>>135945902

>it is theoretical basis is shit

>galaxies are undiscovered phenomena

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>>135946127

Doesn't our current understanding fit too well though? And doesn't this MOND just try and shoe-horn in a fix that breaks everything else?

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>>135946191

What, the other books in the RS universe? I enjoyed nearly all of the novellas and short stories that I read. The Prefect was also enjoyable and I have not read Chasm City.

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>>135946127

newton please no matter how much you modify it, it is ancient

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>>135946239

No and no.

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>>135946289

If you don't know what you're talking about, I advise not talking.

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>>135946431

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_Newtonian_dynamics#Outstanding_problems_for_MOND

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>>135946473

Knew it was wank

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>>135946473

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_Newtonian_dynamics#Outstanding_problems_for_MOND

You do realise dark matter has a laundry list of problems and has failed to actually predict anything right? just because theories are incomplete doesn't discredit them. But the fact dark matter has failed to make a single prediction should have made it a joke years ago.

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>>135946645

>You do realise dark matter has a laundry list of problems

dark matter IS a laundry list of problems.

There's no such thing as Dark Matter, it's a pure placeholder term for the discrepancies we see.

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>>135946645

what is the difference they are equally joke

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>>135946645

>You do realise dark matter has a laundry list of problems and has failed to actually predict anything right?

two words: bullet cluster

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>>135946201

Nothing. Time isn't a spacial dimension anyways, not like x-y-z. Really, Time as the 4th dimension would be a lot easier to draw than a 4th spacial dimension (ie, not impossible) - just draw a person-tube.

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>>135946811

>spacial

it's spatial

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I don't understand how you would show a fourth dimension, but the reason the image is retarded is because it implies that there is a fourth spacial dimension that we simply aren't recognizing or aware of but works within physics as we know it.

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Gravity is merely a theory, by the way.

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>>135946765

Which Milgrom himself addressed?

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>>135946871

draw 3 dimensions on paper normally as you always do

write T=T0 below it

It is the cleanest way

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>>135946871

From just that pic, doesn't imply that. It seems kind of stupid to assume it does.

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>>135942580

Good sci-fi.

Like Asimov or Lem. Pretty much every good sci-fi author was a physican or mathematician.

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>>135942187

I've not seen this, but how does it relate to the plot? Especially considering that a fourth dimension does not and cannot exist?

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>>135946871

The fourth dimension would be represented by a collection of 3dimensional charts aligned left to right infinitely.

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>>135942937

Not him, but the thing is - you got three axis, each being an infinite line, aka continuing in the opposite direction beyond the O point. There is no space on that coordinate system for a fourth dimension, as it already covers all available ones that can be physically observed. If anything, a fourth dimension would be intertwined with all three axis.

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Time isn't a fucking dimension, it's just a concept.

fuck me lads

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>>135947814

>it's just a concept

Just like dimensions. Just like anything in our theories.

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>>135947814

Time is far more than a concept, but it is certainly not a dimension.

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It's not even wrong, having a "fourth spatial dimension" is mathematically possible, just read Flatland.

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>>135942937

Their "fourth" axis lies on the other half of one of the existing axes, therefore not a fourth axis.

The best way to visualize a fourth axis would be showing superimposed xyz-axes. It would still be "wrong" but atleast not this stupid.

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>>135948004

as we can observe it is an arrow

probably an N dimensional continuum

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Has nobody here done any research at all?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-dimensional_space

The concept of a fourth spatial dimension (as opposed to X,Y,Z, time) is nothing new and its been explored since Flatland was published in 1884

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>>135946871

the best way to represent it would be thus

show that a 2D plane is an infinite summation of 1D line

and a 3D space is an infinite summation of 2D planes

then a 4D space would be a summation of 3D spaces

(concept of dimensional analogy)

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>>135948230

Four dimensional space is nothing more than mathematical wankery.

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>>135948131

Time is not a dimension.

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>>135948004

>Minkowski space is thus a pseudo-Euclidean space with total dimension n = 4

It is a dimension.

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>>135948309

which makes it perfect for anime pseudoscience

>it makes sense because we can send shit back in time through the formation of kerr black holes

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>>135948356

>one mathematician's wankery is absolute, undeniable fact.

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>>135948309

>saying this about the simplest of simple cases

At least say that about infinite dimensional spaces or something like that.

Everything in physics is mathematical wankery, if we depict in our theories that space is a 4 dimensional thing, then it is.

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>>135948309

3 dimensional space is nothing more than mathematical wankery.

t. Hakase

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>>135942187

This thread along with the OP is beyond retarded.

You now must solve pic related to post anything related to math ITT

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>>135948694

3 dimensional space is a observation and description of our natural world, as is all of science. Anything that postulates about something that does not exist is wankery.

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>>135948473

>Everything in physics is mathematical wankery

Not at all. Physics describes the operation of the natural world. Anything beyond that is wankery. Nothing more than self pleasure using mathematical formulas.

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>>135942187

Just think of the stuff in your image as a new way to visualize the theory behind the new dimension. Mathematics and physics are full of crutches and freshly defined visualizations of stuff that's hard to imagine, so they can wrap their heads around it in an ordered manner. Just assume that it doesn't make sense to you, because no one here had the need so far to visualize dimension W yet and that the thing just looks like regular 3 axis system.

tl;dr don't strain your head over unnecessary stuff.

Or are you next gonna complain that you can't build a complete working template of a W coil from the schematics you saw?

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>>135949034

> this doesn't exist in real-life durr

> in my sci-fi anime

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>>135949092

> Physics describes the operation of the natural world

Wrong.

Physics makes models that best describe processes and predict things we see in the real world, the models themselves don't have to describe what actually happens in the real world, as it is impossible to know what really happens.

Hence physics is as much wankery as math.

There is no difference between noting that a projectile follows a parabola like trajectory or that space is a 4 dimensional space, because that is what see, hence it is what it is described at until a better model comes up, like new theories of mechanics, like relativity.

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Sorry if this has already been answered, but what show is this?

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>>135949421

That doesn't make any sense. Just because you cannot accurately describe the entire universe down to the most fundamental level doesn't mean that all of physics and science is wankery. Yes, physics is more or less an estimate of the workings of the universe, but it is a fairly accurate one. Physics has actual, real world applications. Imagining a fourth spacial dimension and writing up mathematical formulas does not, and is nothing more than shameless self pleasuring.

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>>135949421

>retard thinks he has a better idea of what reality is actually like than the experts

>contrarian idiot tries to reject the consensus of countless experts who holds infinitely higher education than him so that he can say "we cannot know nuffin" on a Cambodian dog racing bulletin board

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>>135949464

You couldn't just look up the subbed line in the OP?~~Hint: it gives the title.~~

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>>135949645

Except using said models with 4 dimensions we can make more predictions than before, hence it is useful in both physics and other real world applications.

In real world applications we use much more than simple 4 dimensional spaces, we even use infinite dimensional spaces in physics.

Because the bottom line is that dimensions aren't something special contrary to what you see in sci-fi, they're just a property of some mathematical structures.

When you identify such structures, you can use their properties.

You can view, for example, matrices as n by m dimensional spaces, and use properties of such spaces, which is something that is very useful in computing for example.

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>>135949778

You know why he does that?~~Because people like you respond to him and give him attention.~~

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>>135949778

>basic physics knowledge

>contrarian

Did you miss your scientific method explanation on your uni?

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>>135950130

I'm a programmer so I know exactly how useful n dimensional arrays are. That only describes how information relates to other information and has no relation to a fourth spacial dimension at all.

Name one practical application of an imagined fourth spacial dimension.

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>>135950170

Pretty sure it's the lack of attention since childhood. He spouts some retarded shit so that he'll receive any attention at all, negative or otherwise.

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>>135950474

Yes that can be one of many reasons but this occurs in nearly every thread all across the website. Shitposters will always exist in large quantities now.

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>>135943006

OP's anime isn't even soft sci-fi either when it attempts to explain something as dumb as that.

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>>135944268

Faggots keep saying FTL is going to be a thing, but honestly I doubt we'll even surpass light speed. Everything just gets so fucked up after that and we're nowhere even near figuring out how it actually works if it even does.

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>>135950381

>Name one practical application of an imagined fourth spacial dimension.

Anything involving eigenvalues or eigenvectors originates from such imagination.

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>>135942993

>Alcubierre Drive

Except the whole theory doesn't take into account of quantum mechanics and is therefore invalid.

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>>135950943

>Except the whole theory doesn't take into account of quantum mechanics and is therefore invalid.~~You don't know shit.~~

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>this thread

Why are non-STEM plebs allowed to exist on this pure Earth?

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>>135951367

Reminder that liberal arts graduates run the world

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This is what happens when liberal arts majors write science fiction.

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>>135952504

It's not the degree that empowers them, though. It's their social and leadership skills. If we assume a baseline level of autism, then STEM grads>>>>artsfags

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>>135943659

Impossible.

The conditions needed to see the night sky is:

1. Very good color vision

2. No light for several degrees of earth rotation

3. A completely clear night sky

The only good places left in Euroasiaafrica is what.... Siberia and North Korea?

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>>135952959

More like it happens when the writer is too lazy to investigate about the shit he's going to write, nothing to do with arts anything.

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i love all the autists this show has spawned in here.

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>>135954922

the sahara also offers low moisture levels

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>>135955398

The reflection from the sand will fuck any chance of good heaven gazing if the moon is reflecting.

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>>135955457

not all of it is sand

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>>135948113

I think that's worse.

For one thing part of what coordinate axes represent is that where they meet is the origin. And representing the extra dimension as visually additional sets of axes, rather than as another axis, seems to have more misleading implications.

There's no way of representing 4 axes all perpendicular such that a TV viewer would naturally understand, so a compromise where it would be interpreted as 3D with the 4th axis being perpendicular to at least of the other axes seems like a reasonable compromise.

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>>135949034

The same thing is what led to a 4 dimensional description of our world, it is how mechanics describe the world even before space time was a thing in relativity.

It is natural and fits neatly.

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>>135942187

Lol'd. Whoever made this illustration is retarded.

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>>135957491

Quite right, but a major difference is that in non-relativistic mechanics, time is treated as a parameter, while in relativity it's treated as a coordinate. Meaning you'll need another additional parameter to describe trajectories in relativistic mechanics.

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>>135942187

Never seen carl sagan's "Flatland' I see.

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>>135944782

>implies a 4th spacial dimension. Which is nonsensical

Prove it.

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