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Its starting

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-01-09/broccoli-lays-down-the-law-for-dojin/.97335

>The new free-trade agreement called the Trans-Pacific Partnership has prompted a review of Japanese copyright laws to bring them more in line with international standards.
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>have CR premium
>nothing to worry about

k
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>>135924241
And what about doujins?
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>>135924280
>have gf
>no need for doujins
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Remember to sage and report.
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I'm pretty sure they've been able to do this for years already. Most publishers just look the other way because they see dojinshi for what they are: free advertising.

Not to say that the TPP and TTIP won't be disgusting. OP's post was just fear mongering in the wrong direction.
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>>135924420
Wasn't TPP something about lawyers being able to sue for copyright infringement without the need for consent from the IP holders?
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>>135924320
>not reading doujins in front of your gf so she get ideas
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Finally, being born in this shit ass country that's part of the brics payed off
Go nuts china lads, kick america and japan right where it matter, the bank.
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>>135924420
>Most publishers just look the other way because they see dojinshi for what they are: free advertising.
They can't under TPP. Thats the worst problem.

>OP's post was just fear mongering in the wrong direction.
I wish that was true.
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>>135924019
FUCK THIS SHIT

FUCK THE MURICANS

FUCK YOU NIGGERS
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>>135924468
TPP is much MUCH bigger than that, but yes, it gives IP holders the right to do pretty much anything they want.
For a not so related exemple, this dude from a phama cartel managed to sue canada over 1b obamas using early TPP bs.
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>>135924019
So what you are saying is I need to go buy some large drives and archiving like a motherfucker.

Are WD Blues still the best bang for the buck?
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>>135924468
The TPP is full of horrible shit including incentives for ISPs to "in good faith" outright block access to sites based on perceived copyright infringement. But yes, it also involves being able to sue someone without owning the IP rights.

>>135924480
What I meant was he was implying that the TPP was the thing that allowed this. Dojinshi have been a grey area for a long time, mostly because the rights holders just turn a blind eye.
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>>135924019
>tfw can get sued for cosplaying
>tfw can get sued for discussing
>tfw get sued for thinking
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thanks Obama
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>>135924582
yep, grab as much you can right now
yes.
>>135924594
LONG LIVE THE PARTY
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>>135924619
Yes, this appears to be the culmination of his work in office. You can blame him (and our shitty congress for not overturning this and being bought and paid for old shits) for this.
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Fuck. I have so much shit to fap to. It can't end like this.
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>>135924592
>it also involves being able to sue someone without owning the IP rights.
Sorry I'm confused, do you mean A can sue B because B violated C's copyright while A and C are completely unrelated?
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Don't you just love the smell of FREEDOM in the morning?
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>>135924592
>What I meant was he was implying that the TPP was the thing that allowed this.
Its not about allowing. Its about enforcing, right now the IP owners can say "Don't do X" and then don't fucking bother to enforce it. But with TPP if they say "Don't do X" and then don't enforce it, then they loose the right to say "Don't do X". Eg. if they let doujins fly, they loose all IP rights used in those doujins.
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>>135924691
Exactly.
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>>135924682
Literally download Exhentai

If you take out all the western and 3DPD, I wonder just how much space is taken up on their drives?

Shit, If it means the master collection that is panda is going to go down, I wouldn't mind shelling out some cash right now to get a copy of their drives for future use.
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what is even the point of this TPP shit?

All it seems to do is butcher fan-creations, something I wouldn't have thought businesses would want
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>>135924748
Well above 20 TB. Exhentai is at least 40 TB now.
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>>135924723
But does A have to give C the money?
Like, I can't go sue my local coffee shop because they have a starbucks like logo and pocket the cash right?
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>>135924019

Anime studios won't touch Doujin artists or cosplayers. It'll be the likes of Nintendo and Square Enix throwing around the C&D threat letters.

Fan sub groups should be fine too, until a series gets picked up. But don't studios usually look to pirates to gauge interest as to whether or not spend the money localizing a series? It's more a symbiotic relationship than a parasitic one
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>>135924760
>I wouldn't have thought businesses would want
Depends on what kind of business. The ones pushing TPP have more than enough money to do their own advertisments and make their own merchandise. So anyone else doing it would be damaging.

Its the small ones who are hurt by TPP.
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>Burgers are not satisfied with ruining their own country they gotta do this
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>>135924799
This agreement is not about weebs, it's about the big boys. Otaku interests just get caught in the crossfire.
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>>135924760

Businesses want complete control.

It's more than just about chinese cartoons and video games, it's also about big medicine and big agriculture and corporate-owned intellectual properties whose Trademark will last 1000 years.
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>>135924828
Look up the TTIP. If you're living in EU you're gonna have to deal with this just as much as burgers do.
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>>135924760
Cigarette companies, drug makers, processed food, that type of shit.
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>>135924019
>Broccoli
Do they think people will listen to them?
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Time to kill Puchiko
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>>135924853
That's his point.
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>>135924760
America is ran by corporations and want more power and control. It's just that really
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>>135924769
Best bang for your buck on newegg for WD Blues are the 4TB at $32.50/TB ($130 each) So 20TB would cost you $650

That's not too terrible at all, how much would that be compressed? Bet you could knock off a good huck of the space if you deleted duplicates considering there quite a few on there.
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Two towers weren't enough.
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>>135924769
Not just for all the english/jp manga and doujin. Nowhere close to that.
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>>135925019
You're literally cutting out the majority of the site by volume if you stick to only English translated stuff. Why would you do that?
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>>135925009
Don't worry, they have more to crush your airplane on.
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>>135925061
I didn't say just english translated stuff. I said eng/jp. There are a few korean/chinkshit that don't have jp but that's worthless and picking through dupes would be a pain.
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>>135925061
>>135925019
Oops, my bad. I see you posted jp too. It's still a lot more than you'd think.
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>>135925009
They did it themselves
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Well one of the better things about this is all fanarts will be kill.
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>>135925009
I'm sure Return of The King filled that hole then
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>>135924505
Corporations don't have national allegiances.
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>All this blaming the US for international corps.
Ok
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>>135924760
quick and easy just for my dear anon
>japan is fighting china for oil on northen seas
>australia feels the economical heat from china
>they start pushing TPP big time, obama can't ignore anymore
>EU makes their own version of the bill
>everyone shits their pants because wikileaks does their thing and widespreed panic ensures across every country that isn't china russia or india.
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>>135924019
Fucking hell. It should be the other way round, the west needs to pull that stick out of it's ass and get rid of it's ridiculouly prude culture
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>>135925174
The TPP is Obama's son.
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Does /pol/ ever gets tired of being scared of everything and expecting the end of the world everyday? I don't understand how they can enjoy themselves when they seem afraid of any single thing.
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>>135925174
Who's the one who drafted the TPP?
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FUCK FUCK FUUUUUUCK
When is this shit going to take effect? I need to stockpile my anime.
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quick which orwellian nightmare has corps being in control
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It's sad to see this happening but I think this is a desperate attempt by the US to keep big companies from fleeing the country and leaving americans unemployed.
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>>135925106
It's ~140k or so. If you take out duplicates you're down to around 80k. That's completely manageable.

>>135925118
Having fanart killed is not a good thing, the fuck are you going on about? All the pictures on boorus and rule34 in general could be removed.
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>>135925231
Abaddon
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>>135924849

Businesses just want more money. Research has shown that data mining and tailoring highly specific advertising to the individual, along with milking/promoting brands, is the best way to make money.

Why is Force Awakens the highest grossing movie of all time? It success is really all about the Star Wars brand that has been built up over 16 years (not 30, sixteen).

I'm sure most corporations would want Anonymous dead. We not only not buy what they want, we try to actively sabotage their efforts at making money for our own amusement.
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So what will people who torrent anime do from now on, then?
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>>135925009
They should be given a taste of their own nukes
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Oh fuck this shit. Time to join a militia and fuck up these stingy ass corporations
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>>135925278
>All the pictures on boorus and rule34 in general could be removed.
But that's a good thing.
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Would TPP hurt torrenting, or streaming more? The purge will be interesting.
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>>135925231
Mecha Hitler
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>>135925320
Streaming definitely. Well the illegal ones anyways.
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>>135925307
Crunchy roll subscriptions or find a new hobby.
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>>135925319
How? You mean for the cringe worthy stuff?
That's fucking retarded. All the MLP shit being removed isn't worth removing fanart for everything other series.

Even non-sexual things and just randomly drawn pictures can be affected. How is this a good thing?
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>Despite the United States wanting to push to a resolution within the TPP last year, this bracketed text shows there is still huge opposition and disagreement throughout the text. At this critical moment the negotiations have now stalled, and developing countries are giving greater resistance.
LITERALLY SAVED BY THE POOR AND HUNGRY
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>tfw sensei notices you
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>>135925278
Well here's the big question, how exactly would you download it all if you had the space?
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>>135925231
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/05/11/elizabeth-warren-and-rosa-delauro-who-writing-tpp/2FQZAV6uz9GGQI6pe3cd0K/story.html
>The text has been classified and the public isn’t permitted to see it, but 28 trade advisory committees have been intimately involved in the negotiations. Of the 566 committee members, 480, or 85 percent, are senior corporate executives or representatives from industry lobbying groups. Many of the advisory committees are made up entirely of industry representatives.
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>>135925303
The Internet used to be a place where people could think for themselves. Now even though it's been diluted with all the Facebook retards, the big corporations still see it as a major threat. That's why they are ACTIVELY astroturfing. Even governments do it to spread disinformation.
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>>135925307
Keep on torrenting like before. Did you think what we did was legal?
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>>135925320
they'd hit torrent and streaming sites (they'd also love to hit private trackers), your isp would report your torrenting or drop your service
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>>135925320
Obviously streaming. Torrenting is for individual use. The people who own streaming websites are exposed to much more risk.
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>no more watching anime on streaming websites
that's it I've lost my last reason to live. For many people anime is the only source of happiness in this life, and with that taken away and locked up, nothing will be left to keep them from ending it all.
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>>135924019
Brocolli made me think this was a fake link. And fuck those fujoshits anyways
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>>135925307
Still torrent, albeit in a more risky setting. Fansubs and the like will be hit hard though.
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>>135925307
The exact same thing. I don't know if Sweden is inside of this agreement, but that's where Nyaa is hosted.
And if they are, I'm sure Nyaa will just move to a country that isn't much like piratebay does.
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Oh look at that, it's the 300th new law/bill/policy/whatever that's apparently going to kill anime as well as all freedom in general that will wind up doing absolutely nothing.

>No but this time really really for real really! I swear!

Yeah whatever.
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>>135925363
>how exactly would you download it all if you had the space?
Endless scrolling addon
Open all links addon
Copy all URLs addon
Use external program to download torrents or archive download all URLs
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>>135925236
> On 5 October 2015 Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper expected "signatures on the finalized text and deal early in the new year, and ratification over the next two years."[12] A version of the text of the treaty "Subject to Legal Review (...) for Accuracy, Clarity and Consistency"[13] was made public on 5 November 2015, the same day President Obama notified Congress that he intends to sign it.[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership

I'm assuming it won't go into action immediately. I'm also fairly certain it hasn't even been signed by Canada yet, so our only hope literally relies on the god damn canucks. It flew past both the House and Senate though, so there's no way the U.S. will overturn it.
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>>135925365
>The text has been classified and the public isn’t permitted to see it
Lol what, how are we to follow laws if we can't read the laws?
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>>135925423
E U has their own bill
every country that isn't russia is in.
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>>135925395
>your isp would report your torrenting or drop your service
Don't they do that already? Basically the TPP puts more pressure on ISPs that they'll actually do it?
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>>135925431
Sure. It hasn't yet, but it will eventually. Then it'll be too late to complain.
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>>135925431
Gotta keep people aware of what's going on or else one of these laws really will kill anime, and no one will know until it's too late.
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>>135925359
Of course developing countries would resist. They'd like to be great powers someday and have their own big evil companies.
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>>135925446
Our only hope lies on the BRICS
canada is already under the TPP, don't trust wikipedia
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>>135925423
Nyaa has its own tracker though. The Pirate Bay is just an index, which is much easier to handle. The entire site is just a bunch of magnet links and plaintext.
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>>135925476
Ok then /pol/, if you want to do your dance 1 more time after the last 299 times failed go ahead. I'll be busy not caring.
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>>135925431
TPP is a yes or no only decision, and since it's a literally about a shitload of things other than IP/copyright/internet rights it's something that could get passed and fuck up a shitload
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>>135925442
Thank you friend, it's always good to prepare for the worst.
At least now I know what I must do.

>Win the lotto and mail every anon their own copy of sadpanda.
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>>135925504
>I genuinely don't care, I just wanted to make you waste your time replying to bullshit
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>>135925460
Because they're not for the common man.

>A rigged process leads to a rigged outcome. For evidence of that tilt, look at a key TPP provision: Investor-State Dispute Settlement where big companies get the right to challenge laws they don’t like in front of industry-friendly arbitration panels that sit outside of any court system. Those panels can force taxpayers to write huge checks to big corporations — with no appeals. Workers, environmentalists, and human rights advocates don’t get that special right.
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>>135924777
Sue for false advertisement.
Your eyesight isn't perfect and their derivative logo made you think you were entering a trustworthy Starbucks.
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>>135925463
They will be more inclined to do it. If I remember correctly, one part of the TPP makes it so the ISP's are more at fault for their user activity
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>>135925504
I've never even been to /pol/ you shit. This isn't even /pol/ related at all, it's about knowing current events happening in the world around you that may or may not affect your hobbies. You're such a sheltered stupid cunt, holy fuck.
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>>135925460
They know the law is too dangerous to be revealed to the public before it's signed into law .And it's already too late to whine about it then. It just shows how capitalists do not care about transparency and democracy.
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Greed truly is the worst sin that ever plagued mankind
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>>135925504
If you are actually blind enough to see this bill is a legitimate threat, you deserve to have your hobby taken away from you.
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>>135925504
Anon, a lot of other things are /pol/, but this one hardly is
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>>135925504
Fuck off disinfo.
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>>135925551
the bill was leaked tho
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I can't wait to see the sales backlash. Nips aren't forgiving.
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It's treason then
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>>135925359
Yeah no shit. Those countries make a fortune bootlegging all the shit that the first world copyright holders own. Look at who owns the copyrights and who has the most lawyer firms and you see who really benefits from TPP: it ain't the developing world.
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Just host your shit in europe whats the problem?
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>>135925550
>>135925575
>>135925581
>>135925589
|0\ trolled
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>>135925504
If being politically aware in the slightest is a /pol/ thing, then maybe I should check that board out.
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>>135925617
Because EU has the same exact bill.
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>>135925245
Life.
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>>135925617
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership
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>>135925361
Dang that's really cool.
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>>135925617
Europe is affected too.
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>>135925617
Don't worry, there's a European version coming out.
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>>135925617
1. TTIP
2. How long are you going to keep running?
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>>135925590
That wasn't the final draft and wikileaks hasn't leaked anything about it recently
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>>135925617
EUROPE HAS THE SAME SHIT UNDER ANOTHER NAME
CHINA OR BURST NIGGA
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>>135925558
You realize you're the greedy one here for wanting to illegally view media for free that you're otherwise supposed to pay for right.

Or are you so entitled you expect the entire world to labor for your neet ass for free.
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>>135925657
>>135925656
>>135925651

Whelp, time to go back to xdcc guys :^ )
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>>135925361
what am looking at
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>mfw they said I was crazy for hoarding 6TB worth of animu and manga

Who's laughing now fags.
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>>135925617
Antarctica servers here we come
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They fight tooth and nail against illegal sport streams and they still haven't done jackshit, any time a stream goes down 2 more appear. And this is with sports, much more relevant and popular than anime.
So stop panicking, even if they tried as hard as they do for sports, the anime fanbase in the west has a much better infrastructure and organization than illegal sport streaming.

The only problem /a/ will have from TPP is fanart and that probably won't be a problem at all because they just have to turn a blind eye or find a loophole.
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>>135925558
Advertising should be illegal.
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>>135925687
The name of the TV, I'd assume. It's probably the name of a TL group or somesuch.
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>>135925118
So people now can't share their talents online.
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>>135925666
>>135925590
>>135925551
https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/about-us/who-we-are/treaty-making-process/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp/text-of-the-trans-pacific-partnership

It was RELEASED to the public a while ago. Stop living under a rock.
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>>135925677
i buy BDs and tankobons
your move anti freedom man
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>>135925677
There is nowhere I can download anime to view it while paying for it as well in my language. It's impossible otherwise.
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>>135925689
My collection isn't that big but it's got all my favorite shit plus about 20 or so backlogged shows to tide me over just in case my seasonal anime gets interrupted by this.
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>>135925689
I hope you have that shit backed up.

>>135925709
You're overly optimistic. TPB is going to get shut down any day now. Just look at how few options we have for transferring large (>10GB) files over the internet now.
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I can't even get Cruncyroll in Netherlands, if it isnt licensed here i'm not doing anything illegal guys.

Right?
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Why Obama did this? Just why??
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>>135925689
Me because 6tb isn't nearly enough unless you downloaded all 480p.
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>>135925677
>you are greedy for wanting to look at a bunch of data 1s and 0s
Get with the times, gramps
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>>135924700
Yes, but that doesn't have anything to do with the link OP provided or the topic at hand, holy shit. How autistic can you be?
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>>135925748
C H I N A
H Y P E
also, it was pushed by japan and prison island.
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>>135925672
>CHINA OR BURST NIGGA
I wish.
The TPP's main gimmick is to fight the growing economic power of China
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>>135925734
I can buy two seasons of One Piece in my language. That's it for me.
I'll have so much fun after this law comes into effect!
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Guess it's time to buy a few hundred 2TB drives and start downloading. It's the only way.
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>>135925689

You better find some old Pentium 3 computer off the grid, because with the shit in Windows 10 and PRISM, corporations will be able to find out you have bootlegged media.

Hell, it won't be long before drones with video cameras will spy on you through your windows from 10 miles away, and if you dare shoot one down, you go to prison.
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>>135925782
which is why they will fail, you literally can't beat china.
there's also the rest of brics, lets not forget them.
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>>135925221
>/pol/

/pol/ does not even give a fuck about the TPP. They are living in ignorance posting the same KEK KEK KEK NIGGER JEW shit over and over instead of looking at the most important things.

Proof: The day that the Senate was voting on TPP Fast Track, the only two boards that actually bothered to watch the livestream were /a/ and /pol/. And the /pol/ thread was fucking dead.

Yes, a thread about politics on the ANIME AND MANGA board managed to reach bump limit whereas the /pol/ thread was completely ignored so they could shitpost about x feminist celebrity and y jewish movie director instead. Fucking pathetic.
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>>135925155

This.

Though Americans are to blame for letting American corporations get so powerful. The right let them brainwash them during the red scare, and the left is more concerned with identity politics bullshit and fighting fake prejudice than regulating these fuckers.
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>>135925709
Don't bother. These stupid conspiracy theory /pol/fags see panicking over nothing as a hobby. No matter how rationally you point out that sometimes is not a threat they wont care because "OMG IT'S HAPPENING WHY DID YOU LET THIS HAPPEN" reaction is more fun for them. That's why they've been doing it for years at literally every one of these bills that comes along despite none of them ever doing anything.
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>people saying that the TPP is awful
Do people say that because they read the clip notes or have they read the entire 6000+ pages long document?
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>>135925816
>running windows
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>>135925828
>you literally can't beat china.
China's going into the shitter right now anon.
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>>135925816
>connecting your computer to the Internet
>having glass in your windows
Tbh you deserve it senpai
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Oh. Is it that time of the month again?
Thanks for the update /doommongerers/, I guess I'll check up on the news again later.
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>>135925854
This is some shit bait anon, try harder.
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>>135925677
It's the exact same thing as the piracy movement. I wouldn't watch anime anyways if I couldn't get it easily. These people aren't losing money.

Do you know why lobbyists try and get these laws put into place? Because human society as it stands favours sociopaths who talk big and who are willing to do immoral things. They're people who desire power, and they're corrupt from the moment they touch it. These people are egotistical, narcissistic, and uneducated (because they just had to talk big to get where they were).

End result? They're fucking idiots, so they don't know that what they're doing won't help, and even if they did know, they're too proud and self-centered to care. They want control, not people having free will.
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>>135925841
/a/ has always generally been really good at being a better /b/
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>>135925828
I would've agreed with you a few weeks ago but right now China looks like it's going to shit.
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>>135925816
Or run linux. I really dislike linux because I'm a lazy fuck and getting programs to work on it sounds like a pain. Some stuff simply doesn't. I also hate how it looks.

But I may make the switch. Some day. Just have to get out of my comfort zone.
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Worst case scenario I have to start torrenting exclusively through a VPN. Nothing I haven't done before.
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>not setting up servers running on custom made OS in antartica and greenland
who wants in, i also have a nuclear sub just in case
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>>135924959
And to think that Americans wants to put a man who is in charge of a large powerful corporation to rule their country.
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>>135925897
Instrumentality when?
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>>135925816
If you've updated Windows 7 at any point in the last year or so, you probably have the tracking shit from 10 on there as well.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/microsoft-accused-of-adding-spy-features-to-windows-7-8/

You can remove them though.

http://www.ghacks.net/2014/12/11/how-to-remove-installed-windows-updates-and-block-them-afterwards/
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>>135925922
The problem is your ISP will still know.
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>>135925741
>You're overly optimistic.
No, I just know how the internet works, I don't have the paranoia and fetish for the end of the world /pol/ has, and I deal with piracy for something that is much bigger than anime.
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>>135925946
But he's promising to get rid of the Jews!
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>>135925776
Intellectual property is worth money due to the time and effort that goes into designing it, not the electricity and bandwidth needed to send/duplicate it. It's probably hard for neets who have never spent any time or effort in their lives creating anything to understand.

I don't give a shit if you pirate (I do it all the time and have no intention of ever stopping) but don't be such an insecure little retard and try to make up bullshit to justify it.
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Holy shit I hate this world so God damn much.

I just want to enjoy my fucking guns, and watch stupid fucking chinese cartoons. Why won't they just leave me the hell alone?

Why is the world trying so hard to take away everything I enjoy? Are they trying to drive me into a hobby involving cryptograms? Because that's where it's headed.
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>>135925852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnC1mqyAXmw
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if only ipfs would take off
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>>135925946
Hilary will win, she's with the binderburg dudes
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>>135924019
What you linked is nothing new.
Since the internets commercial inception people have always tried to control content.
Countries have outright banned certain sites, content, etc.
However the failure in this ideology is that the internet as a whole is not controllable.
We have and will always find a way to bypass standards set by other companies.
It's the same process that created the first hackers/crackers and the response technicians who than were forced to create more complicated integrity and security protocols.
The hack/crack side evolved and now we see the future of warfare. A never ending battle for information.

Granted nothing we are talking about is potentially life threatening as other data could be. It doesn't change the fact there will always be a way. Even if it's scanners using forums and blog sites such as the one we are currently on or Tumblr to mass distribute.
Eventually they will be forced to comply to industry standard, however because of the Big 3 (Confidentiality, Integrity, Accessibility) the user fan base will be hurt as you can not have accessibility or confidentiality with too much integrity. Vice versa too much integrity to us the user will limit Confidentiality and Accessibility as governments try to limit us the user.
We will than leave said sites and stop using them, effectively shutting them down as millions of people leave their domains due to lack of being able to openly express themselves.
We will create new domains where our belief system is shared and those will be the ones that are viewed by our community.
So the battle continues on and on.
Now excuse me while I fuck this cactus.
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>>135925969
>I deal with piracy for something that is much bigger than anime.

You can't just say something like that and not elaborate.
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>>135925996
lol, you wasted your time, I win
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Pirating anime is already illegal and nobody gives a fuck. Making it "more" illegal still won't make anyone give a shit.
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>>135925988
I can't even imagine an internet where anime/manga becomes hard to enjoy.

Imagine /a/ if bakabt, nyaa, and AB were gone. It'd just be a bunch of crunchyroll shitters and a small handful of people who know where to go otherwise.

Till those sites get taken down too.
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>>135926035
Didn't mean to reply
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>>135926014
Fundamentally all of us rely on ISPs to transfer messages across the world. If the ISPs decided say fuck you one day there's nothing you can do even if you have Tor, i2p, whatever.
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>>135926035
>lol
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>>135926015
>elaborate
What do you mean, I said in the previous post: sport piracy is alive and well, and that's sports, much bigger than anime.
Fucking hell you can go to reddit and there are subreddits dedicate to streaming. Your anime is going nowhere.
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>>135925946
FYI he's anti-globalization. If anything he's almost a Hoover-era isolationist in terms of economic policy. Of course, that's also bad for the anime industry and for /a/ for entirely different reasons.
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>>135926058
You still replied to bullshit
Me: 1
You: 0
>>135926065
geg
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>>135924424
It's not going to be boring anymore when all your anime starts disappearing.
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>>135925996
Here's a better video.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GWHDPuDpay8
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>>135926051
I wish I could live with my head up my ass.
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What hobbies will you be moving on to once this bill takes affect and anime is kill?
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>>135926082
And what reason would that be?
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>tfw your isp is owned by some iraqui fuck that dosen't give an ass
bless be the oil barons
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>>135925446
I have two years to download tens of thousands of porn images and at least 2000 doujins by my estimation. Fucking hell.
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>>135926133

Guess I'll actually go back to /v/.
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>>135926133
fucking dumb sluts
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>>135926119
Anon you're so far up your ass it's bursting back out through your neck and you just haven't even noticed and think you're living normally.
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>>135926097
>i-it's ok nyaa will always be there!
I can't wait to the panic when it actually goes down for good. I'll be crying too but still.

>>135926133
Reading. I read already but it isn't my main hobby. I'll just have to make it my main hobby.
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>>135926051
It's already illegal only if it's available for purchase in your country legally.
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>>135924769
Well it should be smaller if you exclude the western vore porns.
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>>135925236
Well, I'll see you all on I2P!
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>>135926133
I hear suicide is nice.
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Why does this seem like the "current time to movie time" prologue that explains what happened of a dystopian action movie?
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>>135926064

As long as there's more than one provider, this isn't really a big threat, though. You can just switch, and they're fully aware of that.

The nice thing about even oligopolies is that even if they do make an agreement, someone is bound to betray in the name of making more money, and then the rest are forced to follow. It happens without fail.
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>>135926160

With or without sleep?
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>>135926133
Back to music i guess, filled with degenerates to the brim, but what can you do eh?
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>>135926133
Drawing.
Then animating.
Then animate my waifu.
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>>135926133
Get fit, join the Navy and get stationed in animeland.
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>>135926181
Well i've downloaded terabytes of anime illegally over all these years and nothings happened. So I think I'll just continue doing so and not giving a fuck about you stupid chicken littles.
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>>135926074
I'm not too familiar with sport streams but there are a bunch of fundamental differences.

I assume that you're talking about livestreaming sports, in that case of course it's harder to crack down on. But what this thread is discussing is the massive archival of anime that takes place on the big 3 anime trackers. Literally hundreds of TBs get transferred over them every day, which is many many times more than whatever sports stream you're talking about. Furthermore, it has the additional problem of being available 24/7/365 to a large number of people.

Anime streaming sites are out of the question as a means of archival. All of these sites compress the filesize of video files to lessen the enormous burden of streaming on the server.

This thread was never really about anime streaming in the first place.
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>>135926241
only join the navy if you are a woman.
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>>135926257
Why not men?
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>>135926133
Sneakernets and XDCC will be back in fashion again I think
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>>135926217
Music will be the same. All the websites like what.cd will get taken down for good. Plus I like music but it's hardly an actual hobby. It's something you do while doing other things.
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>>135926133
Well I split my time fairly evenly between /a/ and /k/
So I'll just dump more of my time/money into firearms. Then when they finally take away my guns I'll become a serial killer until I'm killed.
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>>135926064
>not building your own network
>not using other peoples network
>not using other mediums in general
You're very short sighted Anon.
There is always a way, the only way that a an ISP can completely eliminate the signal is to turn the signal off completely at the hub.
As long there is a single wifi connection or port open, as long as a single customer exist.
There will be someone using the connection.
It's no different than the guy who goes to, I don't know Starbucks and uses their free wifi to upload a movie onto a torrenting application or inverted downloading.
The Big 3 never changes, if the ISP does not allow enough user accessibility to the customer no one will use their product.
If the ISP allows too much accessibility the government will come and shut it down.
The corporations will not allow that to happen, therefore the connection still exist somewhere and that means there will be people using our information medium to break the law.
It's been this way since man first created technology in any form.
From the first humans to write (and therefore forge documents) to now.
If any system was 100% criminal proof we would have no crime.
Don't get me wrong I don't want to sound like I'm blowing you off, I get there possibly could be less crime much like if you remove all guns or blades from a country a noticeable decrease will happen, but it does still exist.
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>>135926271
faggot galore, try staying in a ship full of dudes.
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>>135926244
Well the thing is anime and manga make peanuts compared to western movies, TV series and music so the distributors in west simply don't bother legally haunting people like us.
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>>135925996
>>135926107

I'm not so keen in economy. From my understanding, the reason they are doing this because they want to take more money from people, right?
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>>135926280
Making music anon.
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>>135926301
Who cares? I'm on /a/ surrounded by faggots already.
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>>135926289
I don't think you get how networking protocols work.
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>>135926193

Because dystopian settings are often based on real world trends. Corporations won't stop until they're just as powerful and oppressive as any dictatorship with a greedy bastard sitting on the throne, and their entrenchment will make them just as difficult to remove as any government.
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>>135926330
It's always about the money.
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>>135925988
No one is trying to take away your guns, idiot. The only thing on that I've heard about is regulating the fucking things to make it so your average idiot doesn't get a hold of them and those who have their hands on them aren't stupid and don't do stupid things with them
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>>135926338
Not physically.
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>>135926055
Make it stop please.
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>>135926331
Oh have fun then.
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>>135926330
the reason tpp/the eu version is being pushed is china's economic might.
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>>135926330
Can never have too much money.
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>>135924760
There's just some people you can't win against.
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>>135926142
He wants to impose tariffs. Buyfags would suffer the worst immediate effects since the cost of importing would increase and would also become harder to find imports as businesses stop bothering to sell to the US due to the shrinking market.

I doubt the loss of the US market would have a major impact on the production of anime, but it would be enough that we might see a slight downscaling in the number of shows per season.
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>>135926330

>they want to take more money from people, right?

It's always the reason, it never stops. The bottom line is everything and everything else is just a means to get the former.
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>>135926357
>The only thing on that I've heard about is regulating the fucking things to make it so your average idiot doesn't get a hold of them and those who have their hands on them aren't stupid and don't do stupid things with them

ahahahhahahahahahahhaa
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>>135926338
its your butt anon, just don't blame me when you are taking more dicks on your ass than a pornstar
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>>135926349
Well they are in the process of weakening western nation states so that their grasp on us is as strong as over third world shit holes. Immigration and multiculti are perfect divide and conquer. All multicultural nations are highly divided and distrustful of their fellow citizens. Countries like that have weak governments controlled by multi-nationals.
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>>135926249
Do you think that sport streams aren't available to a large number of people? we are not talking about using shady sites, we are talking about a subreddit, and the same 2-3 sites everytime.

What do you think they can do? they failed to kill tpb, why can they kill Nyaa? or AB? Bakabt is the only one with a chance of being killed and s tuff can be reuploaded to AB or pirate bay.
What's stopping people from archiving anime by recoring or ripping streams?
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>>135925151
Is Trump Aragorn?
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>>135925009
I'm sorry, i can't hear you over my freedom.
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>>135925858
A bump in the road. From 2000 B.C. To around 1510 China has been the biggest, most powerful and advanced nation on earth (although they were pretty weak militarily quite a few times in that span of time).
They will retake their spot at the top, for better or worse.
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>>135926361
>>135926422
You don't actually think faggots just randomly come on to you because you have a penis, do you? Because they don't. It doesn't work that way.

Even if they say suggestive lines towards you it's not like you're going to die because some faggot called you cute.
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>>135926055
/a/ without piracy wouldn't exist. The western industry would be next to none existent without piracy and only the most mainstream of things would be localized. Piracy is the very thing that keeps the fucking thing alive in the west. Kinda ironic when you think about it
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>>135926357
>No one is trying to take away your guns, idiot.
This is what retards actually believe.

>http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/California-Gun-Law-Seize-Guns-Without/2015/12/30/id/707588/

Here's the newest of many, All it takes is some random asshole troll telling your local police that they "heard you making threats" or something else ambiguous, and they can take away your firearms.
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And nothing will happen.
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>>135926133
I will go >>>/out/ and explore the real world
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>>135926082
>If anything he's almost a Hoover-era isolationist in terms of economic policy.
To be honest that's what we need right now. TPP and shit like it is incredibly damaging to developed local markets which run well on their own with minimal or only very specific outside input. The US is a post-industrial nation which still has a very large industrial capacity and could stand to be a bit more independent. It would help too with diplomacy if we didn't have to rely so much on others. Just look how desperate the Saudis got when we started fracking large-scale in the Dakotas. Gas is now hovering around $1.75 a gallon.
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Let them shoot themselves in the foot

Without all the fan hype that comes from memes, doujinshi, cosplay, and even things considered piracy, they wont have anything to advertise their shows or IP, and will fail horribly.

If they're that stupid or arrogant to bite the hand that feeds them then they deserve their impending bankruptcy.
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>>135926466
It will exist but it'll be pretty dead, aside from CR shitters like I said. It'll be fucking awful.
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>>135924019
>implying this is a bad thing

Japan has even more voracious and destructive copy-right laws than the U.S. Fucking osumatsu had its first episode expunged from existence because of a parody.

Making fan-comics of official work is going to be protected by the same shit that let's people cover things--fair use for parody. As long as no one tries to make money off of it, doujins aren't going anywhere. It says essentially the same thing (distribution for non-financial and personal use is fine).

If you're mad that it's going to be harder to steal anime, of fucking well shit-bird.
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>>135926433
don't go full pol, they already control the white man for a long while now, this is they getting greedy.
and those shit holes will save your hide on delaying the bill.
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>>135924019
But what happens to FAKKU?
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>>135926456
>ponymusic has blocked this video in your country
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>>135926133
I'll keep illegally downloading my anime until I get put in jail. Then, when I'm in jail my 6'3" black cellmate will ask what I'm in for and I'll tell him and I'll end up discussing anime with him, because black people genetically love anime.
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>>135926502
I can't wait till this hurts the anime/manga industry because people who pirate stop buying figures and other merch.

>>135926522
>As long as no one tries to make money off of it, doujins aren't going anywhere
That's kind of the fucking point silly.
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>>135926449
It is not for you to deny the return of the king, Democrats.
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>>135926472
That law only allows them to take them for 3 weeks if they think you're going ballistic.
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>>135926465
no, they rape you first.
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>>135926504
>>135926466
Depends on the cost of licenses, I remember that back in the day anime was so cheap that here in Italy even regional tvs had them.
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So are we just going to start a black market exchanging digital copies on foot now? Who will be the brave souls that actually have to go outside?
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reminder that groups and individuals pay shills to come to this site and many others
here's one of them plugmarketing.com
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>>135926133
Video games and going out to finally explore the outside world.
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>>135926445
>Do you think that sport streams aren't available to a large number of people? we are not talking about using shady sites, we are talking about a subreddit, and the same 2-3 sites everytime.

The traffic is way less. Nowhere near hundreds of terabytes like any tracker (including sports trackers) like I mentioned.

Also I'm not too sure about where sports get their money from and I'm 100% sure different sports have different sources of revenue so the reason why streams haven't been cracked down on may be somewhere in there.

>What do you think they can do? they failed to kill tpb, why can they kill Nyaa? or AB? Bakabt is the only one with a chance of being killed and s tuff can be reuploaded to AB or pirate bay.

Once the TPP gets passed lawyers of the megacorporations will be able to bypass all the legal shit and shut public trackers down, starting with TPB. Out of the 3 AB is the least likely to be shut down because they follow the private tracker tradition of hiding behind >7 proxies but it only facilitates 18000 users maximum and is extremely restrictive.

>What's stopping people from archiving anime by recoring or ripping streams?

If you're talking about livestreams, it's because they're low quality and shit most of the time. Archival should be done with the highest quality source which is usually BD if possible then DVD.
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>>135926497
Yeah but it's not so great for anime fans. Since, you know, anime as a whole is something imported to the US from Japan. It's not like anime will vanish if we become less globalist, but it'll become more expensive to bring here, which will result in a smaller western scene. And currently that would be very bad for /a/ because 90% of fansubs are a ripped from official streams.
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>>135926590
No, we'll just share stuff in private together. But yeah we may be able to maid CDs to each other. Postage is pretty cheap and you can fit a lot on CDs now-a-days.

Maybe even USB sticks, that'd probably be better. I will seriously do this if need be.
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>>135926557
fucking kek
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>>135926472
>commiefornia
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>>135926629
>nd is extremely restrictive.
AB is babby's first private tracker. If you can't get into AB you clearly don't give a shit about torrenting in the first place and aren't missing anything anyway.
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>>135926181
Pirating anime has always been illegal, regardless of its legal distribution in your country. Copyright is international.
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>>135926571
O I see, so all it currently takes is someone suspecting I might be thinking of committing a crime based on hearsay of a family member that hates me to take away my firearm.

You're right, thought crime is 100% OK, what was I thinking being upset over that?
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I can't wait until this destroys anime and Japan gets fed up with America's bullshit, enough to cut ties with it and reinforce ties with EU and Asia.
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>>135926216
With. But sometimes I skip sleep when deep in a gelbooru dive. My gelbooru folder sits at 15,000 pictures right now
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KEK
i cant believe you losers actually believe that anything will actually happen like holy shit it like everysingle bill that has passed ever will harm your animes lmao

i bet this ttppt isnt even reals lol
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>>135926590
We'll hijack pizza delivery, with our insider men.
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>>135926347
I don't you do...
5 years 25B U.S. Army, having created networks using Satellite, Landline, Radio in multiple countries.
Four years as a junior administrator for a technology firm, Six years as an administrator.
DHCP is a double edged sword anon and frankly if the computer MAC address is untraceable because they never connect to their own hub and move around constantly. You will never find the person.

It's simple, take an old computer(CompA), put linux on it after wiping everything off, never connect said computer to your home network.
Move files via USB to CompA from CompB at home.
Go to different public wifi areas in a large enough radius to make you feel secure.
Add data from CompA to the interwebs.
Unless we live in such a BigBrother state where they video tape every single thing you do at every point you'll be fine.
Also at any given company there are thousands of unsecured ports and major security gaps.

I can go to MTSU and bypass any of there firewall settings in a few minutes, it doesn't help they have a guest account there which makes them unable to track who actually is the one doing it.
Was able to play WoW at one point for free, never even had to buy my own connection.

This is pretty simple stuff Anon, the only people who think the internet is a secure thing are politicians and civilians too ignorant to know better. Anyone who has a decent education in IT or CS can figure out a way.

This is also why crackers still exist and are leaking information as we speak every single day.
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>>135926522
>As long as no one tries to make money off of it
The amount of fan work in Japan is due to the fact its a way to make pocket change. No one is going to fucking print doujin for free when it goes shitons to make.
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>>135926692
>lol
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>>135926676
As much as I like AB this isn't the time to be elitist.

Putting all your eggs in one basket is NOT a good idea (see: madokami).
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Ok lets say hypothetically TPP comes into force.

All other president candidates of burgerclapcountry don't want this. They can just opt out?
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>>135926687
It won't destroy anime, it will destroy doujinshi and comiket, which will make the core demographic for anime madder than holy hell.
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ARE YOU GUYS FUCKING RETARDED
THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT DOUJIN FANWORKS NOT BEING SOLD, NOT ABOUT MUH ANIME PIRACY
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>>135926713
You got me.
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>>135926629
Worst thing happen and we go back to emule. That's it, that's the bottom line for anime archival.

It will be a pain in the ass, fine, but it won't be the first time and it won't be new.
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>>135926544
The jew has already removed all the illegal content after pushing the deadline back a few times. Which means the sites demise will rise
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>>135926696

Imagine the code words

>Calamari cheese pizza=Tentacle loli porn
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>>135926731
TPP can't get past Sir President God-Emperor of Mankind Trump the Unstumpable's Holy Wall
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>>135926755
That's what the article is about, but that's just the beginning.
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>>135926720
I'm not being elitist, I'm stating the truth. AB is the opposite of elitist and exclusive, they let in almost anybody who asks. You want elitist? Try getting into some of the private trackers for movies, they literally do not even consider you without being vetted by a long time user as a bare minimum.
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>>135926781
>Cheese has no toppings
>loli
Clever
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>>135925446
Well Stephan Harper did lose power pretty spectacularly. With the new prime minister there is actually a chance it won't be signed. He's a pretty big wild card and along with his party, has reservations about what the TPP demands people give for it.
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>>135925677
>Even though it's easy to get and limitless, y-you should still pay for oxygen! D-don't be greed, goys-, i-i mean guys!
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>>135925208

The central left needs to unite against the far left and throw them out on their asses.

The far left narrative is the epitome of hypocrisy. It's driven by bigotry against white people and men, fighting to silence those parties along with the inconvenient truths that they bring to the table (a common example: "You haven't lived through our suffering and you stand to lose something by letting us have our way, therefor, any points that you make against us are inherently invalid"). I don't believe that the number of leftists who realize this is small, even if some of them haven't put their finger on these exact words. They just know that there's something wrong with saying that a man enjoying a woman's body is sexist.

Once anti-rape zones are promptly shut down during protests and the organizers driven away with shouts of being man-hating bigots, the left can finally properly organize against the corruption of corporate America.
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>>135926731
It'll already be well into effect once they take office

Unless the bill meets some resistance before getting passed we're screwed.
Obama dedicated the rest of his time in office to the TPP
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>>135926794
A lot of people don't want to deal with ratio and seeding or simply can't.
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>>135925617
Because muslims don't know how to maintain servers worth shit.
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>>135926827
this man knows what is up
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>>135926846
>Dealing with the ratio in AB
Everything 1080p is freeleech and seeding is for a set amount of time, not a set amount of bits. So the bigger the download is the longer you have to seed.

Average time you'll have to seed is 2-5 days.
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>>135926751
>it will destroy doujinshi and comiket, which will make the core demographic for anime madder than holy hell
Which will bring boycott. If anime can fail for bullying cases (see the Kokoro Connect scandal), having Japanese publishers enforcing a "no to fan production" law is more than likely turn off said fans and have them boycott the works.
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>>135925495
According to a government of Canada webpage, it's still under review.

http://www.international.gc.ca/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/tpp-ptp/index.aspx?lang=eng
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>>135926846
Again: if you find AB's policies "restrictive" you wouldn't be able to get into a real private tracker anyway. AB is extremely noob friendly, I wasn't joking when I said it was babby's first private tracker. It's literally the first step many people take to get into the private scene. If you can become a power user on AB it opens doors to other, more selective trackers that take recommendations from AB staff.
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>>135926637
Personally, I wouldn't mind a smaller western scene since I'm one of those elitist pricks, but I'm spoiled at this point and would hate to only have access to the anime that our fansubbing overlords decide to sub rather than the huge volume of licensed shit we can rip from CR and Funi. Buying merchandise from local sellers is also nice when the prices are low enough that it's cheaper then using a proxy and/or international shipping. Tariffs aren't universal though. I haven't really looked into Trump's policy much, but is he in favor of increasing them on cultural imports? I'm sure he of all people understands that US already dominates the world in terms of cultural exports, so there is no significant internal market to be protected.
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How viable would it be to just move all trackers to i2p or Tor?
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TRUMP SAVING ANIME WHEN?
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>>135926875
>So the bigger the download is the longer you have to seed.
You only need to seed for a minimum of 3 days for all torrents
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>>135926885
see >>135926846

I don't know why you're telling me this. I already said that it's foolish to bank on just one tracker.
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I want off this ride.

Please /a/, Pull over and let me off.
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>>135926878
Anime/manga will be fucking screwed if it gets shut down like this.

I know Japs don't care about the west, but plenty of people here buy figures and other merch. I'm sure plenty in Japan pirate and buy merch as well.
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>>135926757
What's that thing they teach in sex ed?
Something about the only way you can't get an STD is by not having sex.
I guess that could roughly be said about information traveling, if the connection is never there. Your information could never be stolen or posted somewhere.
Not trying to be an ass, just hoping to educate.
Though I want to bring it up again, a lot of what Anons are talking about is right.
There will be a huge drop in scanners simply because they don't want to take the risk or simply do not know how to do the things i'm talking about without getting caught.

This will effectively eliminate most new scans sometime shortly in our future.
mfw there will be people who actually associate posting manga as a rebel cause.
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>>135926913
>You only need to seed for a minimum of 3 days for all torrents
Yeah, no. It's based on size.
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>>135924777
Late reply but the way this would probably work is C gets money but A (the government in this case) gets a cut. ADA and False Claims Act lawsuits work like this. Look up the related term "qui tam" (although it's the converse, with the private plaintiffs suing on behalf of the government).
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>>135926902
I love it how it has changed from libertarian Ron Pau to protectionist and maybe even fascist Donald Trump in 4 years.
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Just host the servers in Norway or Switzerland, both places are not part of the EU and as a consequence the TTIP does not apply to those nations.
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>>135926813
Kill yourself /pol/fag. That comparison makes literally no sense at all.
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>>135925682
Why did you ever stop using XDCC in the first place?
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>>135926838
Yeah but, how can another president now just say fuck it?
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>>135926886
He so far hasn't gone into specifics, it was more him outlining his general policy on how to bring jobs back to America. Considering anime isn't really in any direct competition with any job market in America, and in fact generates a lot of jobs here I think it might be spared from a tariff.
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>>135926809
Clever? It's fucking genius.
>>135926827
I'm a lefty through and through. But yeah, SJW's are fucking real man, they have some fuckied up opinions about life.
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>>135924019
I thought this shit wasn't law yet.
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>>135926985
trump is a meme because he says stuff the average polfag wants to hear
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>>135926880
At the very least we have a slightly better chance now.
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>>135926994
Won't work.
Norway and Switzerland will not risk potential economic crisis because they won't take down a few domains hosting illegal material.
TPB found this shit out fast.
They might not be part of The U.N. however they aren't stupid either.
There is only so much pushing of the bear before the bear wakes up pissed off.
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>>135926330
>because they want to take more money from people

Yes and?
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>>135927033
Sad panda can even bring guncrazed rednecks and bleeding heart liberals together.

Isn't 2D grand?
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>>135927013
For me, torrents are faster usually. Plus I can find torrents for stuff I can't find in xdcc.
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who cyka blayat and ching chonk here
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Japan probably wants this so that way all the otaku end up working themselves to death and kill doujins.

Japan shall finally be free from the otaku, but at the cost of social stability.

Riots shall break out. Fed up from society and business, the otaku shall rebel, causing businesses to fall, and the old men in charge shall be assassinated by being smothered with dakimakura.

The country shall then be ruled by the otaku, in a land where people all characters are public domain, and people will be too busy masturbating to fight and wage war.
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>>135926827
That's a weird definition for far left.
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>>135927015
Repealing a bill that's already in effect is harder than getting it into effect. You have to make a bill to get rid of a bill.
The TPP will either have a negative response from the public and in turn politicians will be forced to go against it and have it repealed after some time or no one will care about the TPP's restrictions and the new president won't dedicate their time in office to it.
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The thing about the TPP is that it actually has a lot of good points that'd help facilitate trade and free business.

But the businesses managed to hide bullshit copyright law in it.

And the fact that it has a lot of *good* things for trade in it is the most terrifying thing, because people can't see how wretched what you need to adhere in that document is when they're blinded by the gold.

Take for example, the TPP does a lot for protecting privacy and company source code. Prevents governments from creating taxes on digital goods. It includes improvements to labour laws, improvements to the free movements of goods and the prevention of nutty tariffs. It has transparency, commitments to protect the environment, fighting corruption, food quality.. the list goes on and on.

Then you get to the intellectual property part of the document and want to puke everywhere.
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>>135927086
I really doubt that hosting some internet sites will cause an economic crisis. I am pretty sure that nations would not want to risk losing Norwegian oil and gas imports just because of weeb shit.
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>>135927165
If only.

In reality they'll just fuck over the only thing Japan is known for.
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>>135927194
Why can't we make shit simple
goddamn you stemfags, that's why we are so fucked
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>>135927194
What's that about the environment and food quality? How the hell do you go from that to IP laws?
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>>135927239
Something about corporation privacy
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>>135927239
TPP is 400pages long nigga, the IP part is just that,a part
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>>135926051
When it is 'normal' illegal people would just use the small guns. When it is 'more' illegal people would try to use bigger guns.
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>>135927104
I mean, it's not that. It's just that SJW's are hateful. I'm a lefty because I'm a bleeding heart, like you said. I don't hate the white man, I'm just not for calling black people "dirty apes" and what not. Being straight is fine, there's nothing wrong; I'm as straight as can be but treating gay people like shit is pretty shitty. Calling black people niggers is a really really hurtful and deameaning thing, so I'm not for that.

And so on, and so forth. But SJW's are about getting back at the white man. But I like the white man, I like everybody, I'm just against hurtful dicks.
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>>135926133
Is work a hobby?
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>>135927295
>Calling black people niggers is a really really hurtful and deameaning thing
But I call white people niggers too. If that isn't equality, I don't know what is.
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>>135927180

Western social far left, not economic far left.

The furthest economic left that has any real influence in the west is a capitalist/socialist hybrid. Not many are interested in the state owning everything.
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>>135927327
like some anon told me
there's black people and niggers, and niggers can be from any place in the world
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>>135927239
The TPP is a document that covers a huge range of things. As for the environment it has provisions on preventing illegal hunting, fishing, ensuring biodiversity, climate change and all that huey.

In the food section its more about sanitary standards and food safety than anything else.
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>>135927210
>I really doubt that hosting some internet sites will cause an economic crisis. I am pretty sure that nations would not want to risk losing Norwegian oil and gas imports just because of weeb shit.
It's not just weeb shit, we are talking also FTP sites and other hosting sites that are storing illegal data of both corporations and government secrets. No different than the wikileaks incident.
Just because we don't have evidence, does not mean such domains do not exist.
In fact we are quite certain they do, we just sadly can not do anything until a leak is confirmed.
Taking away the weeb argument if U.N. told either country to take down a domain for a more plausible reason they would comply.
Sweden ended up giving TPB up because EU said so due to push from nearly all countries because of copyright infringement.

You guys need to stop thinking things are so impossible, weirder things have happened in our history.
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>>135927194
TPP will allow corps to get away with not labeling contents of food and other products, reduce environmental restrictions, and allow for easy outsourcing for some corps
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Neither Trump nor Hillary give a shit about the internet, FYI.
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>>135927381

Anyone who votes for either of these two should be shot.
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>>135927295
I hate everyone equally.
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>>135927363
Well, there's more hiding of bullshit in stuff that sounds valid.

The real thing that's holding the TPP back in Canada are the provisions regarding pharmaceuticals having trademarks for eternity. People don't like that one.
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>>135926557
>Discussing anime with black people

I hope you like dbz
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>>135927217
Man. Japan's trying too hard to be all serious. Take away the anime and you're left with ELECTRONIC LAND, WHERE ALL OF AMERICA'S APPLIANCES ARE CREATED.

I mean, it's part of their culture. There's far more pressing issues than anime. Birth rates aren't necessarily affected by it, that's the corporation's fault.
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>>135927381
Delusional. Trump wants nothing than to be able to censor everything on the internet.
He literally wanted to shut the internet down. He has no idea what hes talking about.

The only candidate that doesn't give a fuck about the internet is Sanders.
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>>135927381
Of course Trump doesn't care about the internet, he wants to destroy it during the sacrificial process to make anime real.
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>>135927194
Why the fuck does anybody think international free trade, especially that propagated by governments, is a good thing at all?
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>>135927194
>It has transparency, commitments to protect the environment, fighting corruption, food quality
Where did you get that from?

We can pretty much say good bye to renewable energy and nuclear energy. Food corporations have more over what they can do to the food the make. Cigarette companies get more freedom than ever. There's no transparency where it matters, and you can even get sued for trying to find out information on a corporation.
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>>135927422
>ELECTRONIC LAND, WHERE ALL OF AMERICA'S APPLIANCES ARE CREATED.
/a/non that's china.
With multiple economic crisis they couldn't control the industry anymore.
They do more speciality items now.
Casio is still really big with music equipment.
Sony has fallen quite a bit.
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Why isn't this thread bumping?
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>>135927381
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2015/12/08/donald-trump-thinks-he-can-call-bill-gates-to-shut-down-the-internet/
also those two are literally ran by corporations
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>>135927495
Gee I wonder.
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>>135927431
That's what I meant. I meant he can't be trusted to protect it at all, though no one with any chance of winning can.
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>>135927476
Man, is there a term for this? Fake transparency? Something that's seemingly clear, but is actually way more hazy?
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>>135927495
The bump limit is 500.
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>>135927495
It's off topic and mods are letting us post till it dies.

>>135927515
I misunderstood, my bad.
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>>135927444

In the future, when PC gaming has won and piracy is dead, do you still want to be allowed to play Japanese games that don't make it to western shores, or play the raw, uncensored version when it does?

In that scenario, you'd be happy as fuck if neither Steam, Atlus, nor the Japanese government could do a damn thing to stop you from getting on the Japanese Steam store and buying it.
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>>135927422
>>135927217
Are you serious? in what part of the world Japan is known only for anime?
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>>135927431
R A N D P A U L
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>>135927476
Ill be honest with you, the TPP *suggests* businesses to take on a culture of more transperency *suggests* sanitation standards and will *encourages* a business culture free of corruption. In reality, they put a whole lot of fucking fluff in the document to confuse people.
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>>135927552
Has literally 0 chance of winning. The only people in the running are /pol/, feminism, and socialism.
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>>135927549
Did you miss the part about region locking on the TPP?
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>>135927561
Just like the Emancipation Proclamation. Wonder who has to type it all up.
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>>135927400
I've jumped on the Cruzwagon because I want to kill myself every time I look at the Rand Paul shirt I bought, lying unwashed and as lonely as the one in 1% of polled responded in favor of of him. Hopefully Cruz or Rubio can manage to force their way through the cracks in Trump's massive personality.
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>>135927550
Everywhere. Anime and electronics, and their electronics aren't looking so hot.

They're known for food too, but that hardly counts. Everywhere has fucking food.
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>>135927578

I'm no friend to feminism, but Hilary isn't a feminist. She is, however, about as crooked and cold blooded as they come.
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>>135927495
Mods put it on auto-sage. It's offtopic, but there is really nothing harmful or bad about the thread and is clearly something /a/nons care about. There is no need to ban when it can just be put on auto-sage to let it run its course
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>>135927578
There's also Cruz. He actually has a decent shot if he wins in Iowa, and he's against TPP.
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>>135927587

I was talking about international free trade.

In a true free trade scenario that doesn't just serve to let suits rape you up the ass even more than they already do, that sort of thing would be stopped.
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>>135927526
Yes, and? We're still at 370
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>>135927600
They are known also for ninja and samurai, geisha, kimono, their weird alphabet, kimono, eletronics and videogames, maybe Kurosawa, sushi, and the weird porn.
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>>135927194
>transparency
A document to improve transparency on things while that document itself is anything but transparent? How fucking funny
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>>135927611
She likes to mention shes a woman at any given time. It's just really annoying and I was trying to come up with a word for her. Cunt? I guess that'd work.

>>135927631
Nah, no chance. Media is all over trump/hillary and mellienals are all over sanders. I don't really like any of them.
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>>135927549
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. If I want a Japanese game I can already buy it online or import it through a proxy buyer. It'll be a bit more expensive, but that's the cost of not living in that particular market.

Also Steam is garbage adware and you are garbage for using it.
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>>135927657
>They're also known for a bunch of outdated shit that has nothing to do with current events
Sure I guess. I think we're discussing what they're known for in the current day, or what they provide to the world.
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>>135927561
It's less fluff and more specifics. The more specific you are about something the more likely you are to find a way around it, or even have what's more important out of site from others. See how vague the first amendment is, and how it can be applied to almost anything? The more specific a bill is the less applicable it can be for corporations.
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>>135927669

Digital distribution is going to win out eventually, whether you like it or not.

When everything is distributed digitally, and if piracy has been successfully stopped, the only way that you could buy something is if they let you.
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>>135927552
Why do you /pol/tists type like this?
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>>135927657
You can't exactly export ninja though. Their videogames are mostly mobile Japan-exclusives nowadays, they've lost their old on the electronic market, and all everyone ever eats are California and Spicy Tuna rolls.

They need anime.
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>>135927664
That's not necessarily feminism as it is playing to her strengths. She could still be a feminist, but bringing up the fact that she's female is still good regardless.
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>>135927706
Digital distribution is fine. See GOG. And as long as the government doesn't force us to buy into the cloud storage meme and turn in all our dangerous hard drives or be shot there is no way to eliminate piracy.
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>>135927767
>but bringing up the fact that she's female is still good regardless.
It's literally her entire being. It's not good at all and it has nothing to do with anything.
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>>135927760
>You can't exactly export ninja though
What's the Jap equivalent of a CIA wet team?

Because that's basically their ninja export.
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>>135927706
digital distribution isn't an issue, drm is
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>>135927760
>You can't exactly export ninja though.
>implying
Just export more ninja warrior.
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>>135927706
Piracy can never die so long as the internet is still in place. They can potentially make it much harder and scarier to participate in digital piracy, but they will never, ever be able to stop it. There are simply too many transfer avenues, and digital goods are too easy to make copies of/distribute over those avenues.
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>>135927767
Ask a person why they support Hilary Clinton and watch the come up with a myriad of convoluted ways on how she is a woman.
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>>135927848
America made their own. It's not the same. They hired a naked guy to go through it.
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>>135927790
I meant good for her, sorry.
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>>135927114
Poo in the loo here
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>>135927848
Under TPP American game shows can be sued for ripping off and not sending royalties to the Emperor.
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This document is terribly vague for many things. In fact, this little provision is the one all about ISPs and intellectual property. I wouldn't want to be an ISP if this damn thing gets signed.
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>>135927404
Hello garou
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>>135927909
How does it feel to be a genetically superior people? We invented zero and chess and are richer than white people in their own countries.
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>>135927943
Specificity is the enemy of corporate lawyers. It's vague on purpose so it can be interpreted liberally.
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auto sage eh mods
better than deleting and proving hiroshima is in with the TPP
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>>135927909
>9
You think Modi will keep TPP out? As much as I support him, I think he will support corporate as much as they ask.
>>135927973
Don't start that here
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>>135928000
I thought this was what /trash/ was going to be for. They'd move threads over there instead of deleting.
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>>135925910
Something entry tier like Linux mint is really easy to learn assuming you're not a complete retard.
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>>135927993
What worries me the most is how vague the IP section is compared to the other parts of the TPP
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>>135928050
I'm not afraid to learn, I'm afraid of change.
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>>135927943
I'm not gonna read all that but I'm assuming it's the part about how they have to "remove access to" if they suspect copyright bullshit is going on. It's fucking terrifying, but it should be possible to get around through use of VPNs and proxies, correct?
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>>135924241
>>135924320
I like you, you really think and prepare ahead amongst all these fags on /a/, good for you
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>>135928071
No, the ISP can still tell since they are providing the internet for you to use those VPNs and proxies
As for torrents they can't tell directly what it is but large usages of data may cause them to investigate.
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>>135928204
That's not true.

If you're using an encrypted VPN your data should be unreadable by the ISP and going to and coming from a VPN. Nothing to suggest you'd be stealing protected materials.

Nothing in those provisions bans the use of VPNs.
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so this is why pururin move?and where too?
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>>135928259
what's a decent vpn in a country that respects privacy and rights?
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>>135928259
that's what they want you to think
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>>135928309
Don't you understand how unfeasible it is to do that? A provision like that would just get brushed under the rug.

Im going to murder this picture captcha shit.
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>>135928394
Legacy captcha was fixed brother man
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>>135925361
Is this real?
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>>135928259
This.

The ISP will probaby still be able to gauge at the data usage, but the VPN traffic is encrypted with a key shared by its parts, so (on paper) nobody is able to tamper or look into the data.

Usually ISPs won't look much into VPNs because it's not much about weebs torrenting their anime; pretty much any business with multiple offices have their own bunch of private connections which might handle extremely sensitive information, and ISP should guarantee their privacy unless there's a legal reason not to (which is another matter).
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