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Admit it. Griffith did nothing wrong and you know it.

http://strawpoll.me/6484621
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He got caught fucking the princess
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He's a fucking selfish asshole who only cares about himself and his dream of being a great ruler, no matter how many people die because of him. He went off the deep end when he had Guts murder that guy.

Handsome, stoic Guts will be the end of him.
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>>135852352
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>>135852352
I wouldn't find him interesting or appealing if it weren't for his doing everything wrong. I'll have to disagree with you anon, but rest assured Griffith remains among my favourite characters.
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I still have no idea how this shit is supposed to end. The God Hand are pretty much indestructible it seems. We'll probably need another asspull for the umpteenth time to resolve everything.

I can't think of a single conflict in the Millennium Falcon arc that wasn't resolved with some kind of out of nowhere solution.
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>>135852926
Guts commits suicide, unable to handle Griffith's shittery.
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Does the rape scene arouse or horrify femanons? I heard that girls secretly enjoy being raped, in particular by attractive men.
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>>135853189
It was horrifying for me. The entire Eclipse actually gave me a migraine.
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>>135853189
>I heard that girls secretly enjoy being raped
Here's your reply.
But to answer your question, yes it did arouse me.
In the end, rape is just like girls for most of you in here. Appealing in 2D, repulsive in 3D.
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>>135853189
>Enjoy being raped
Anon, you can't be this stupid.
This must be bait.
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>>135853189
I saw it coming mostly because I knew about it for years before I actually read the manga then watched the old anime. I was expecting it.
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Anybody got any good Griffith wallpaper ?
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>>135854837
Fuck off, Griffith lover.
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>>135854477
You know whom else so it coming? Caska.
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>>135853514
Miura draws the best feets.
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>>135854412

Lmao butthurt femanon.

In either case it's pretty well established that women frequently become aroused during rape. Evolutionarily it makes sense because rapists often appear as strong and masculine.
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Unrelated, but I was rearranging some of the numbers in the url when I fount this:
>http://strawpoll.me/6289124/r
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>>135855864
How do you make a woman fall in love during rape tho? Do i really need to go a to a third world country and save a qt from being made a sex slave and train her for war during the rest of her life?
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>>135856168
That's a pretty dumb question. Any man would do this.
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>>135852352
He got too impatient
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>>135855864
>lmao
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>>135853514
I've come to the realization and acceptance that Casca will go the way of Peekaf by the time this arc ends. She won't die/commit suicide, she won't cuck Guts for some guy who may or may not be or son, she will become a dark elf. And it will be glorious.
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>>135856168
>http://strawpoll.me/666666/r
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>>135856586
Pretty obvious, anon. She will be half elf, which is great.

Do you think she will kill Griffith? I would like that.
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>>135857200
Guts will kill Griffith, but she might have the last laugh with Femto.
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>>135852352
you know, with griffith ressurection, and the seemingly becoming impossible to live in the rest of the world besides falconia, this just seems to me like the god hand are purposefuly gathering as much humans as possible for some kind of ecplipse, like lambs to a slaughter, that we are still waiting to be drawn

i just want Casca to return to normal so that guts RPG party finally has a woman fighter, it already has the tank, nimble sword user, thief, and 2 magic users
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>>135852352
Admit it, " -BLANK- did nothing wrong" is a shitty meme and you know it.
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>>135857190
>http://strawpoll.me/5981844/r
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>>135858275
http://strawpoll.me/6181845/r
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>>135858312
>http://strawpoll.me/1331545/r
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>>135858357
>http://strawpoll.me/6478900/r
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>>135853189
I felt really bad, though not really because of the rape. The entire eclipse event made me really uncomfortable, Judeau's death and the horsies slaughter got me harder than the rape scene.

I mean, sure being raped must suck, but it must surely be better than death.
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>>135858663
tell that to Tumblr.

Seriously, it's hilariously.
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>>135858518
>http://strawpoll.me/3999999/r
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>>135858741
>http://strawpoll.me/40000/r
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>>135852352
Memes aside, it's undeniable Griffith crossed the line during the Eclipse with the rape of Casca and thereby his explicit rejection of humanity, but I wouldn't consider him wholeheartedly evil, and I doubt Miura wrote him to be either.

A crucial point in Berserk is that there is very little good in universe. The world they live in is shit, and has been shit since forever. Pointless wars, hunger, disease, the rich exploiting and abusing the poor, endless suffering no hope for change. Hell, the world in Berserk is SO shitty the collective human consciousness created some "evil" abstract God to blame for all the shittiness.

Following that, there are very few genuinely GOOD people in Berserk either. Can Casca or Guts be considered good? not really, they were just mercenaries, just average people trying to survive and find a little peace. Think about it. Who could be considered "good" in Berserk? I dare you to name more than 3. Aside from a few minor side characters (Luca, Flora?) or children (Schierke) who are inherently innocent and don't count, everyone is an asshole.

If there are no good people, how could Griffith be bad? His dream at least was one of peace and change for the better. Griffith is not that more evil or selfish than say, Guts. The only different is one is the antagonist and the other the protagonist. They probably are fairly close on a spectrum of morality.
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>>135858791
>http://strawpoll.me/999999/r
>http://strawpoll.me/1000000/r
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>>135858837
>http://strawpoll.me/1111111/r
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>>135858887
>http://strawpoll.me/2222222/r
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>>135858995
http://strawpoll.me/666/r
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>>135859034
>http://strawpoll.me/911159/r
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>>135858833
The Elfs. The elvs are gonna save the day at the end.
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>>135859162
We're talking about human morality. Nobody give's a rat's ass if magical fairies are good natured beings, the point is, humans are shit. Griffith is no more of a shitty person than most people in Berserk.
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>>135859084
>http://strawpoll.me/3151511/r
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>>135859337
>http://strawpoll.me/66222/r
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>>135856170

It's not possible during rape but if you kidnap her and treat her well then stockholm syndrome should kick in.
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>>135853514
Seeing Griffith after he was tortured and the Eclipse gave me a migraine. Griffith makes me feel so conflicted. What a cunt.
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>>135859415
>http://strawpoll.me/6486279/r
This one was made very recently
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>>135859841
>http://strawpoll.me/6486300/r
This one was made just now. Vote for the poor guy.
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>>135859954
>http://strawpoll.me/6486320/r
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>>135860076
>http://strawpoll.me/6486336/r
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>>135860198
>http://strawpoll.me/611333/r
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>>135858518
Best one till now tbphfm
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I think Griffith is absolutely amazing. While he did something really terrible I can't at all blame him for it, I would definitely have done the same in the same situation.
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>>135852352
Fucking hell dude, if you're going to be a shitty troll, atleast don't go for the low hanging fruit that's so low it's on the ground rotting. 0/10
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>>135858833
>If there are no good people, how could Griffith be bad?
rape, torture and murder are still pretty bad, even if everyone else is doing it
what about Farneses mother or roderick, there's plenty of good in the berserk universe it's just the mai characters deal with demons/monsters all the time and rarely see it
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>>135860992
Roderick is gonna rape or beat the hell of Farnese when she tell him that she doesn't want to marry him.
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>>135861081
trying to get someone to become your wife so you can have sex is still better than most of what happens in berserk
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>>135860395
>http://strawpoll.me/64844/r
I choose eating my own dick.
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http://strawpoll.me/6486498

It's time to choose.
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When the eclipse happened, and Casca's mind body and soul were broken. I realised that Griffith had destroyed something truely beautiful. He destroyed a character and gave us no closure. Bad guys destroy things that the good guys love all the time, Griffith destroyed something the reader loved.

Casca was the ultimate Waifu. The Omni-Waifu. Her story didn't get to end in death. She exists but all that's left of her is a monument to Griffith's sacrilege, and Gut's inability to let go.
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>>135852352
Both Griffith's voice actors (TV and movie) are pretty handsome
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>>135861300
fuck dubs, that's hard.
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>>135857885
Every issue that continues with this fucking RPG nonsense kills me a little bit more inside. When are they all going to get eaten by apostles so Guts can got fucking murder Giffith alone. Giffith will at the lat moment realise what a Hitler level shit lord he's been and beg for forgiveness, Guts will laugh as he rapes Griffith to death.

No other ending to Berserk is acceptable.
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>>135852352
Yeah there is nothing wrong with rape
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>>135861370
>Sephiroth and Suzaku share the same voice as Griffih

I think about this a lot.
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>>135861300
Surely Farnese is the only real option here. She'd bloy your mind, and be excited to do it again tomorrow night.
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>>135861560
You people are the worst in this fanbase. You want to disregard years of development because "muh dark and edgy manga" Kill yourself.

But i admit i'm a sucker of the idea of Guts becoming alone again and killing Apostles and eventually Griffith...
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>>135861560
>Giffith will at the lat moment realise what a Hitler level shit lord he's been
He already did before the eclipse and decided that stopping before he achieved his goal would be the worst thing he could do
He knows he's terrible but he's committed everything to his dream
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>>135861682
Also, Roderick would pretty much have to watch, and be crying the whole time, which is great because that's really what I need to get my dick rock hard.
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>>135861370
The guy on the right does resemble Griffith a little. Just put a white wig on him.
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>>135861781
What development? Bolting on these stupid D&D characters to the story because the author has no idea how to end the manga isn't 'development'. What emotional arcs have happened in the manga to chill Guts out? At what point has he bonded with any of these manlets apart from being in the same fight scenes as them.

The plot hasn't developed since eclipse, that's why it's all we're talking about here. These so called side characters are just sort of 'there'.
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>>135861809
Fair point, I got carried away, I just want to see him beg and cry before the murder-fucking.

You know, for closure.
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>>135861347
Bro do you need a moment? If so fuck off.
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>>135862027
Guts accepted them because of Casca. He didn't trust himself alone with her after years of killing.

>At what point has he bonded with any of these manlets apart from being in the same fight scenes as them

Specially because of that. Fighting alonside others made him feel like The Band of the Hawk Raiders leader again. He value the brotherhood in battle. And they all help him in various way, not just battle. He had important moments with each one of them, but specially the loli the opened herself to him the most. Guts it's not just a hateful killing machine anymore, he starting to become more self aware of his own mortality and life as he have someone to protect now and there are more people who care about him...fuck why am i replying to you? You are clearly baiting or you are just an edgy teen. Go kill yourself.
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>>135863025
>the loli, that opened herself to him the most

Fix'd
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>>135861258
>http://strawpoll.me/10/r
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>>135861814
What the fuck nigga
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>>135863273
>http://strawpoll.me/93682/r
Another good one.
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>>135864231
>http://strawpoll.me/56516/r
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>>135863025
Ok sure buddy. I'm not sure who's baiting who here.

Did ny of this stuff actually happen, or were we just told it happened? Was there an actual arc, or did they just sort of show up on Guts' journey for some contrived reason, then join him in a fight, then followed by several pages of guts' monologing about how important it is to him to fight along side someone again?

Because that ain't shit. That's called bolting something on. That's the author being a hack because he's got no ideas. If we don't get to bond at the same speed as guts, they're nobodies. You can't just have people turn up and have the protagonist tell the audience how important they are now, and expect a vigilant reader to give a merry shit.

Right back at you bud, why the fuck am I explaing this to you? If you honestly believe everything you said, I don;t know what's wrong with your brain, if I started jingling my keys in front of your face would you be just as enthralled?
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>>135864577
Holy shit, did you read the whole manga or did you just jumped right of in the Sea God battle after the Eclipse?

Fucking Millenium Falcon, faggot. Go read it. Guts didn't fully trusted them at the beginning, the same goes for Serpico and Schierke about him. During the whole battle with the Trolls and the Kushan monsters he developed the relationship with them. And there was no monologue of Guts, you bullshitter, just that one on the boat, and it wasn't even a monologue.

Ah fuck it, i'm outta here.
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>>135853189
I thought it was retarded.
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>>135864478
>http://strawpoll.me/92929/r
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>>135864974
Well I think you're retarded.
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>>135861081
After seeing the monster in human skin she associates with? No way.
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>>135861347
>Bad guys destroy things that the good guys love all the time, Griffith destroyed something the reader loved
This is bullshit, hell, any villain who killed a beloved character counts. When Dio killed Jonathan
i cried my fucking eyes out
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>>135862027
>The plot hasn't developed since eclipse
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>>135866666
Checked
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>>135866789
Well, fuck, i guess i'm right then.
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>>135852352
Femto got his though
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>>135865252
>http://strawpoll.me/92225/r
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>>135858833
So why DID Griffith rape Casca? To humiliate her? To make Guts suffer?
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>>135867886
The latter.
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>>135852468
This is a great panel
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>>135867905
Only reason I can think of was because Guts left the Hawks, but that makes him seem like a butthurt baby.
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>>135868268
>but that makes him seem like a butthurt baby.
Sounds like Griffith alright
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>>135867886
When he became part of the godhand, he gained insight of the future. After raping her, he turns the child into some form of apostle so it can join with the egg apostle and become his new body, so he can come back to the world, so he can create the kingdom he desired. He was also jealous of guts and casca and probably wanted to strike back/show how he felt.
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>>135868268
Sounds exactly like him
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>>135852352
kill yourself
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>>135854837
I'm so glad that you asked.
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>>135868268
Isn't that kinda obvious? Guts leaving The Band of the Hawk was the first real loss he ever had and it totally broke him. He was spoiled, not in the sense that he got everything handed to him, but he couldn't stand the fact that there was something out of his reach.
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Hitler dindu nuffin either
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>>135870658
Thanks, anon.
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>read intermittently
>comfy knowing there will be a chapter or two waiting for me when I remember every other month
>guts is off the boat
>life is going well
>catch up on the last two chapters
>BERSERK WILL NOW BE PUBLISHED IRREGULARLY
>NEXT ISSUE SUMMER 2016
Please. I need to move on already. I can't keep checking every few months, get depressed, and be despondent.
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>>135853189
As a female obviously being raped (primal rough sex) by a hot guy is a great fantasy, but just like men we don't always want it even if they are sexy. As a berserk fan, the emotions and setting are what makes it horrific (still fapped to it). Griffith actually did seem to be trying to give her pleasure and out do guts. He had noticed their relationship and casca caring for guts and overheard their conversation. It was cruel and embarassing for her as she was going through a tramatic experience. Even if she did love griffith some how that only makes it worse for her especially knowing what he has done. This is the case where even if someone is aroused they did not want it.
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>>135853189
that's not really how that works; rape is a very common fantasy amongst women, and while it may often be physically pleasing it'll still damage the fuck out of them mentally. Like most fantasies/fetishes, it's only okay whilst in the realms of fantasy and roleplay, the second it becomes real it's just a fucked up situation
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>>135852352
It was destined to happen just as he was destined to be tortured he really didn't have much choice in the matter especiallt with how far he had come. I also do believe he crossed the line with the raping and corruption of casca child but I also believe that this was destined (for obvious reasosn) and he may have been taken over by demonic rage or what ever. I love griffith as a character but the truth is that he was the antagonist from the begining the Eclipse wasn't when he became "bad" it had to happen and he came so far.
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>>135853189
I didn't see your comment before. Heh, let me guess... A virgin, right? This is such a typical question in this place that its just boring now.
Oh well, yeah, it's the true. Everyone has weird fantasies, I bet you too, anon. I like biting for example, and this is not a joke or a fantasy. It's one of my fetish and it's not something that you may tell in a restaurant or a caffe, right? So, about rape... The fantasy is very simple, you just want to be in a position in which you can't do nothing and let your partner (someone that you may like, for example) do the job while he plays with you and tease you a little. It's not different to the typical dream in where your best friend enter for the window of your bedroom while you're sleeping and has sex with you in the darkness without knowing that is he. Of course, this is just that, a fantasy. Everyone can have fantasies like that, it belongs to our imagination and has no place in real life. There are no "good" or "bad" fantasies, but the possibility that this violation (mentally staging in an erotic way and excluding violence and trauma of a real rape) may come to pass is not really desired. On the contrary, it causes horror. Nobody wants to be in the place of the victim when these horrible things happen, unless you're a pervert or just a masochist. Not because we imagine killing someone that we hate in the most gruesome and inimaginable way we will unleash those impulses, right? The same goes for sexual fantasies. But to be honest, I don't really find it so hot. Do you understand now?
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Is Griffith a manchild on top of being a girl?
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>>135858833
Guts is clearly a good person though a bit rough after what happened to him
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>>135876145
His dreams about having his own reign are not so different of mine, when I was a child, playing with blocks to make a castle. Yes, I think he's very childish and he was selfish when he sacrificed all of his friends/family, just like a child.
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>>135852352
>Griffith did nothing wrong and you know it
It was heavily implied through out the story that there is no right or wrong.

Great picture, Griffith actually looks decent in it.
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>>135876466
>there's no right or wrong
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>>135876403
He acted like a girl on rebound when his mancrush left him and turned fairy tales into reality.
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>>135876466
Of course that it doesn't exist the "good" or the "evil", that its just something that we invented to protect ourselves for the things that may hurt us in our life's. What is good for you may be bad for me and vice versa, that's as clear as the skies. But Griffith/Femto is indisputably the antagonist of the story and the "big bad guy", and that's one of the more interesting things about him. Guts is not an angel, but Griffith is a traitor, and you know how Judas ended, anon. There's a special place in hell for traitors like him and I can't wait to see the final confrontation if I live to see it.
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How does it feel that despite being the most hated Berserk character he also far more interesting than almost everyone else? Face it /a/ you find him compelling. You don't want to, you want to have nothing to do with him, but you still give into him. You let him overpower you, So much until you start to enjoy it.

Griffith is raping you and you don't even know it.
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>>135877113
>traitor
Stayed true to his dream, was always honest about it.
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>>135877179
He's as hated as Char in Gundam.
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>>135877179
Nothing wrong with liking assholes. Griffith still deserves a horrible death
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>>135877245
So you agree he's selfish and doesn't give a shit about others to achieve his dream.
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>>135877245
He never told people he'd sacrifice them to demons (or at all). People said they could die for him but that means "die fighting on the battlefield in the context of their fucking job : being a mercenary". If he told everyone to kill themselves for his dream, no doubt they'd tell him to fuck off.

So yeah, he's honest about his dream but he didn't properly tell anyone what he'd do with their lives if he had to. He scammed these poor niggas
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>>135877318
>selfish
So first he was simply wrong, then he was a traitor and now he's selfish (probably something else as well along the way).

Does anon, fears Griffith by any chance?
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>>135877245
I don't hate Griffith, anon. I love the character, but I would also love to see him dead. I dont hate him I just want to see his end. That's the main point. I understand that you're a fangirl, or just a faggot, I'm a fangirl too. But he's just a character, I don't give a shit because he's not real and it's the fact that he's evil that makes me like him more. He's a fucking child, a selfish and narcissistic moron with a God complex (and a coward), so what? He's awesome.
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>>135877421
Nope. We simply tell the truth.
He was indeed wrong. He is a traitor. He is selfish.
That's why he's a villain with zero chances of redemption cause his sins lies heavy upon him.
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I wonder if Guts would be able to kill Griffith. He's practically immortal and has supernatural powers, how do you kill that?
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>>135852352
go away hawk.
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>>135879702
He needs to have a good brainstorming with Skull Knight and go full Batman
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>>135852926
Here's a couple of things I've noticed that not many people point out:

The Japanese have this belief that a sword gains power from the ones it slew. The Dragonslayer has killed several Apostles, Gosts, Demons, Trolls, a Sea God, and you can also make the argument that it also gained power when he stabbed Slan.

His armor allows him to not have pain bother him, so the brand should have little effect on him, especially when he's near the Godhand.

The fact that he's a sacrifice and survived the eclipse basically means that he can now interact with beings on both plains of existence, which should include the Godhand. This also means that his fate is unpredictable, and not even Griffith nor the Godhand can tell or manipulate his fate in any cheaty way. Otherwise, they would have done so a long time ago.

Arguably, Zodd is the strongest apostle and Gutts was shown to go toe to toe with him before he was even given the Berserk armor, and even if someone argued that Grunbeld was stronger, Gutts still bested him even after holding into account that he was already fucked up before the fight.

I'd say he stands a good chance at Griffith as is. The real question would be is his crew ready for it or not.
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>>135880396
The power of friendship is going to kill Femto and everyone is going to rage.
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>>135852352
Griffith is a shit.
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>>135852352
>Griffith did nothing wrong and you know it.
>post strawpoll
>winning vote is he did everything wrong

hahaha nice try fucking autistic faggot
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>>135877866
Why, though? From the start he stated that he was using the Band of the Hawk, Guts and Casca included, as tools for his ambition. He sent them into battle for his own ends to live or die by hteir own skills. That's what everyone with command over men and women and ambition does.

They and countles others were already sacrificed to his ambition long before the Eclipse, that was the whole point of the metaphor Ubik showed him. The Ceremony of the Coming Lord was just a little more direct.

As fro raping Casca, yeah, that was a shitty move but I don't think he did it just for the lols. If his master keikaku needed that demon child then it's simply another tool he used, and a corrupted abortion and a mentally damaged woman aren't much in the grand scheme of things.
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>>135858663
>I mean, sure being raped must suck, but it must surely be better than death.
Really, considering she literally lost her mind from the experience, probably at least in part from the pain of her mark hurting too... Yeah, it is, but only because Guts is here to save her.
If he wasn't there, it would be highly questionable. On the other hand, considering where the poor Band went after their deaths, maybe it actually is better overall.
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>>135866666
OK, Satan, you're the expert on this, after all.
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>>135877179
I do actually kinda sympathise with what he went through before the Eclipse and with the choice he made.
This doesn't mean he isn't or wasn't a horrible person. It's just that before the Eclipse he was ultimately human.
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I have a question for you, /a/.
Do you ultimately want Guts to win? Meaning, manage to both save Casca and get revenge on Griffith without compromising his morals. Would it even fit the manga, in your opinion? If not, what do you think would be more fitting?
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>>135884206
I want him to succeed at the expense of his own life
The manga is called Berserk after all
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Griffith is Stalin.

Meglomaniac, selfish, brutal, and also happened to have saved way more lives than he's thrown away.
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>>135884666
>implying the monsters aren't going to slaughter thousands of humans
Until now they were literally a deus ex machina, it's not gonna last long
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>>135884730
Likely, yes. But everything we do know about Griffith's motivations suggest that his intent is to rule, not to slaughter. I find it more likely that those monsters will start slaughtering people of their own volition rather than him ordering it, but it's even more likely that he'll give them a foreign nation to slaughter before that happens.
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>>135884955
Which means he wont have saved anyone.
Also, Griffith's accountable for what happened to the whole band of the falcon. That's 30 000 deaths he has on his hands, plus the ones he sacrified to the demons.
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>>135884206
we dont want anything to win, we want it to go on forever
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>>135885019
I wonder, when Guts finally puts the sword through his heart (assuming he still has one), what will the world see it as? Who will be remembered as, a hero or a villain?
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>>135885125
Really? You seriously want it to never have resolution?
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>>135885190
Optimally it would continue until the week before I die of old age, and end with a good resolution.
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>>135885190
if it ended i'd have nothing to read
i can bring myself to read like 10 complete mangas.
the rest manga is cringeworthy to me, berserk can continue forever pls
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>>135885135
Depends on when he does it.

Before Griffith shows his true colors, the people of Griffith's kingdom will die for him.
Afterwards they may already be dead.
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Does Guts have any lingering fondness for Griffith? What about Casca?
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I think Griffith is pretty compelling because of how he seems to be helping everyone now, and maybe his dream is to just have a nice, happy, peaceful kingdom. But I'm not sure if all the monsters are going to like that...

Plus, he did cuck Guts pretty hardcore so there's that
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