Could the Tokyo police have won if they hadn't had JSDF support? Remember that they do have real SWAT teams, not just riot cops.
No, SWAT teams are for special operations, that are too dangerous for normal policemen. They are trained to assault small groups of hostiles, like terrorists.
They are not line infantry.
>Could the Tokyo police have won if they hadn't had JSDF support?
The issue isn't training or hardware, but numbers. Tokyo Police is NOT meant to deal with full size military invasions in the thousands.They would have lost due to sheer overwhelming numbers.
On the other hand, after the JSDF broke up the invasion force into pockets of smaller groups, the riot police were in fact ABLE to tackle and capture alive something like 1/3rd of the invaders. So basically, you need the attackers to be divided first.
Well of course the armored cars wouldn't operate unsupported, they would have long riflemen on the rooftops putting high powered bullets between the eyes of ogres before they can get near the armored cars.
Yes, should be in another just over three hours.
The thing I find most hilarious about automatic weapons is that Dr. Gatling thought that they would make war less bloody because you would now only need one soldier to do what was formerly the work of a hundred.
>The thing I find most hilarious about automatic weapons is that Dr. Gatling thought that they would make war less bloody because you would now only need one soldier to do what was formerly the work of a hundred.
He isn't wrong, in the sense that wars now no longer use conscript soldiers as meatshields. That was what he likely meant by being less bloody; hell, America had been in at least two wars at the same time for years now, and yet the citizens barely notices it.
>Tokyo Police is NOT meant to deal with full size military invasions in the thousands.They would have lost due to sheer overwhelming numbers.
But doesn't Tokyo have shit tons of cops since there's like 20-25 million people in greater Tokyo area?
Yeah, but with the MG, trench warfare was so fucking bad that people decided to stop doing it.
He was right; but it was more of one of those 'it'll get worse before it gets better' things.
Even if that's the case, there is only so much police force on duty in Ginza, even despite Comiket happening on that particular day.
For sure, they would be able to hold the line for a fairly long time against the invading force and protect the civilians hiding within the Imperial Palace grounds. But it would be too much to expect the police alone to push back the enemy before the attrition of enemy numbers becomes a problem.
Come on, the setting is interesting but it is all niponese power wankery. They cannot beat real countries in the real world so they have to please themselves in their little children's books
When you are prepared and ready for them. After they are already inside your base killing your doods it is too late for a single machinegun to hold down anything.
Also, barefoot savages are easier to shoot than mounted charging savages.
SAT isn't equipped for a war. You need arty, machine guns and armor to stop thousands of men at one go.
Even the Tokyo PD forces needed water cannon and tear gas support as well as a massive numbers advantage to capture them alive.
Indonesia is nothing on the sea and in the air, but on the land JSDF does not really stand a chance against them.
1)Only 200k or so strong
2)Equipment specialized for home land defense
3)Not used to jungle
Shitholes are generally pretty tough to conquer, US always made it look easy, but let any other nation try doing the same thing and you will go LoL.
Basically tanks were useless in the jungle, but the IJA were more motivated and used bikes to move quickly.
They conquered the Malayan Peninsula in 55 days and took Singapore not long after. They beat 150'000 Brit troops after over 2 months of fighting their way through enemy territory and running low on supplies.
That was the last war US had the strategies on land based warfare right:
1) Kill civilians first
2) Kill supplies first
3) Starve the enemy then clean
Not to fight on equal grounds is the best solution.
Why is Japan even bothering to negotiate with these assholes.
They don't need bunny rapists to help them find oil wells.
An intact Empire has literally nothing of value to offer them
it's not like the Middle East where the collapse of the regime would somehow inconvenience them.
Since firstly it's incredibly easy to stop a mass wave of refugee migrants through the Gate.
And secondly the Special Region inhabitants don't have easy access to explosives and firearms with which to trouble the Japanese.
Just bomb the Imperial Capital to take out the trash, and while the Empire disintegrates they can simply move in and grab whatever land they like.
>They would have lost due to sheer overwhelming numbers
Based on this logic, Spain colonialists could have never conquered the Aztec empire, since it's always hundreds of them facing ten of thousands of those locals.
1) Too few men
2) Fear of foreign intervention
3) Preparing ruling strategies and personals
For a weak nation, what other powerful nations claims is all that matters. Proof? Fact? Straight into the garbage bin.
Send troops carelessly and you will be accused of massacre and can get invaded in the name of humanitarianism. Even if you could conquer the !romans, there would be no gain if you could not control them too.
>Just bomb the Imperial Capital to take out the trash, and while the Empire disintegrates they can simply move in and grab whatever land they like.
The Empire also runs the equivalent of police force. And there are multiple former kingdoms who want to become independent again. Destroying the Empire would just created an Iraq that is the size of Asia with everyone killing everyone else. And Japan doesn't have the physical resources or manpower to hold an entire continent many times bigger than Japan.
>And Japan doesn't have the physical resources or manpower to hold an entire continent many times bigger than Japan.
Theoretically, they don't really have to hold the whole continent, they just need to hold the oil fields and roads between oil fields and Alnus, which savages with sticks could hardly threaten if patrolled by mechanized infantry.
The bigger issue is that they could only really pull it off with American help because they need the American propaganda machine behind them to spin the inhabitants of the Special Region as a threat to the free world somehow, with some mention of slavery and genocide and dictatorship. You know, like Reagan did for the Russians with his Evil Empire speech.
>After they are already inside your base killing your doods it is too late for a single machinegun to hold down anything
They already retreated inside the Imperial Palace and used it as a fortress, having a machine gun there with sizable ammunition is enough to make those savage suffer great damage and lose eventually.
Japan never fought in the Vietnam War or the War on Terror, so culturally they can still pretend that war can be cool and clean and that they can get what they want without turning into fucking assholes.
>The bigger issue is that they could only really pull it off with American help because they need the American propaganda machine behind them to spin the inhabitants of the Special Region as a threat to the free world somehow,
They just COULDN'T do it on a National level. And bringing Americans is counter-productive. The point is to get the most resources with the least effort, bringing Americans decreases the rewards. It is retarded you even think that.
>Japan never fought in the Vietnam War or the War on Terror, so culturally they can still pretend that war can be cool and clean and that they can get what they want without turning into fucking assholes.
Japan is well aware of what Iraq turned into. The novel was written just after the 2nd Iraq war and the author made the point that they are trying to avoid American mistakes.
Nope. What was needed was sheer firepower. That means attack helicopters and heavy machine guns. They were probably outnumbered 100 to 1 and the enemy forces weren't just an angry mob, they were an organized army.
I'm amazed at how tenacious the notRomans are. Peoply dying in droves all around them from causes unknown and they don't break formation. I don't think any army in history would've held formation against shit like that
Seems like the main thing they did was to make sure that their own soldiers leave the base as little as possible so there is zero opportunity for any of them to murderrapeloot.
>Seems like the main thing they did was to make sure that their own soldiers leave the base as little as possible so there is zero opportunity for any of them to murderrapeloot.
The manga also made it clear that they are trying to keep the Empire intact. Because they have no intention to try "Nation Building" when Americans couldn't do it in a far smaller nation.
Fundamentally sparing the Empire means having one singular authority to deal and make contract with. If the Empire goes then it turns into Wild Wild West, and it is just far too inconvenient.
Because this is a blatant Nippon propaganda. All JSDF soldiers acts like saints and they value human rights so faithfully that could embarrass any first-world nation. Obviously they're trying to create the image of a benevolent Japan that can easily forgive any horrible crime done toward them and they just honestly want to spread love, peace and civilization to those helpless savages.
>They're aware of what Iraq turned into on a macro level, but they don't seem to have as much appreciation for what combat turns men into.
Good thing the JSDF doesn't need to get close to the people they kill, then.
Machine gun was pretty deadly in WWI but it alone wouldn't lead to trench warfare. The machine gun wouldn't have that huge of a role in WWI if trench warfare didn't happen. The biggest reason that lead to trench warfare, was modern artillery. It was one of the deadliest weapon in WWI(combine with chemical weapon) and trench was literally created for foot soldier to hide inside during a bombardment. Which mean it been use for both offensively and defensively, while the machine is mostly use defensively to keep the attacker back.
>Because this is a blatant Nippon propaganda. All JSDF soldiers acts like saints and they value human rights so faithfully that could embarrass any first-world nation.
As compared to what? American movies about the glorious GIs? What made you think it is relevant to try to show soldiers breaking rules unless you think the Japanese are more evil than other races?
>blatant Nippon propaganda
Just enjoy the ride.
>Seems like taking a fat shit on the empire's armies would undermine their legitimacy and prestige anyway
As long as the Empire remains that is good enough. The point isn't to protect the Empire, but to protect the stability. The political structure is vital to the continued functioning of society. Unless you want to pull a British Empire and attempted to wholesale replace the local culture, that's the best case scenario.
There are plenty of American movies demonstrating how war warps soldiers into something less than civilized. Hell, the writer references one of the most famous ones with Ride of the Valkyries. But then he completely loses sight of that and nobody seems particularly affected by slaughtering enemy soldiers like sheep, or the terror of combat against literal kaiju.
>Shameless gung ho shit is generally seen as garbage unless you sprinkle in some "war is hell" to balance it out here.
War IS Hell, Japan doesn't need to be told that. It is the Americans who seems to have entirely stopped caring about wars and are happy to still be in two wars at once.
>Hell, the writer references one of the most famous ones with Ride of the Valkyries. But then he completely loses sight of that and nobody seems particularly affected by slaughtering enemy soldiers like sheep, or the terror of combat against literal kaiju.
American troops have re-enacted that scene in music videoes of actual combat. You seemed to have no idea what the reality is. Japan is only doing what Americans are already doing.
The British were actually rather hands off about running the places they ruled compared to, for example, the French. They weren't too bothered about spreading their culture to the whole of India for example, just to a certain elite leadership class who they taught to 'value' the British presence.
>1) Kill civilians first
That is literally the reason why US lost the vietnam war. They completely loose support on the home front after several controversial photo of the aftermath of TET offensive, get release in the US. It was meant to be propaganda to support the war effort, but it completely back fire. Moral of the story is avoid killing civilian just to keep public opinion up. If the US can't keep their people happy, and maintain support, they will not win or even fight any war(openly anyway).
>But then he completely loses sight of that and nobody seems particularly affected by slaughtering enemy soldiers like sheep, or the terror of combat against literal kaiju
This. It's completely unbelievable to think soldiers of a country that never fought any war in the last 50 years could be completely unfazed seeing thousands human beings getting mercilessly slaughtered like livestock.
Oh boy this aint my Christian Chinese cartoons.
I just don't like seeing idiots like you regurgitating propaganda. Were Japanese soldiers perfect saints who never raped? I highly doubt that.
You're joking, right? Nobody ever talked about GI rape, the very fact the Fake of Nanking and Holohoax are spammed as much as they are is partly due to not wanting Americans to realize that WW2 was a mistake.
So you think US would let JP get hands on a continent-full of resources without dropping few nukes?
Japan went that path with China once and it did not go well, idk if people are that naive.
The difference between doing it in WW2 and Vietnam is that WW2 didn't have uncensored television journalists at the front doing their best to spin the story to make it look like America was losing. Remember that the Tet Offensive was a military failure for the Communists but TV journalists went HOLY SHIT COMMUNISTS ARE IN THE AMERICAN EMBASSY THE WHOLE COUNTRY HATES AMERICA
well I'm ok with this character design, even though its far inferior then the manga one
Um, JSDF's real job has been rescue missions. There you can see plenty of bodies, often rotten. Kids women all alike.
I don't think they get fazed by bodies that much. Besides, PDST comes from life threatening experience and soldiers are not exposed to that in the gate world.
As to are they saint line, they are not but finding 5k or so well behaving ones are not hard and they would do their paid job right so close to their home and in safety.
There is nothing wrong with nationalism and socialism, you westerners who have been operated off both should re learn them, and the bourgeois swine should be hung and their wealth redistributed
Nationalism is pride in one's country.
It's just a few butthurt closet faggots that just happen to be very loud, anon. Don't lump us all in with them.
Also, socialism is shit, but I know that was bait.
The thing is, they should never have a chance to shoot thousands of living beings to unrecognizable bloody messes before with their own hands. Their sanity should not stay intact the first time experience it.
Most of the unrecognizable bloody mess business is done by artillery, the crews won't see them.
The Coalition Army tried attacking by night and they were pretty much just glowing blobs on NV gear.
>my brand of socialism/communism has never been tried before
Is it 2013 again?
>So you think US would let JP get hands on a continent-full of resources without dropping few nukes?
And you thik America would jeopardise their political current advantage over China and Russia just because they want to?
Seriously, some Americans here are proud psychopaths I swear. America is busy keeping China and Russia away. Any talk of invading Japan is lunacy and would trigger action from China and Russia as well.
Cos even Chinese did not know it happened till a Japanese journalist discovered it decades later maybe?
The journalist was a communist, of course, and the commies killed off a good portion of the population between the said incident and the discovery. Now the bodies are there, but no one can definitively tell who made the bodies.
Only thing available are American propaganda, Russian propaganda, Chinese propaganda and Japanese propaganda and circumstantial evidences.
Rationally thinking pitting the locals ageist yourself is stupid when they can easily be won over and it's doubtful there were enough ammunition.
On the other hand, military men are generally irrational and bullets magically forge themselves and ex-soldiers who have been turned into communists confessed etc.
There was a war and things happened more or less but there was a worse war after that and things happened there too.
Telling which bodies belongs to which strata is hard.
>it's not possible to begin with
Yeah pal, sounds like dirty pinko talk alright.
>Cos even Chinese did not know it happened till a Japanese journalist discovered it decades later
That only refers specifically to the "contest to kill 100 chinese with a sword". The Chinese and the Japanese both definitely knew the Rape of Nanking as a whole took place.
Blasphemy. She has extremely indecent thoughts over that Japanese diplomat, and fended off every last suitor while waiting for the gate to reopen so she can find him and rape him now that she's old enough.
the politics will get messy but robots will definitely flip the economy on it's head. we have self driving cars coming within 5 years and that's already every taxi driver, truck driver, and bus driver out of a job. and there are already robots that can do most assembly work and even some white collar jobs, human labor just isn't at the price point yet.
>system will break.
That's exactly what it has to do with communism. If widespread automation is a failure state for capitalism, but also an inevitable result of capitalism, then we reach a limit where the system is no longer tenable. If you regulate against it, then the companies just jump ship to some country that doesn't have the clout to do so and you still lose jobs.
When enough jobs are lost to automation, there won't be enough 'consumers' with available income to support a capitalist economy. If not enough people can pay for goods, then there's no reason to produce those goods. Economy breaks down on the most fundamental level if people can't trade skill and labour for currency used to buy the things produced by the skill and labour of others -a reverse industrial revolution.
>they hidden the rape
I know they fucked up but I'm curiouse, what is it?
Don't want to download.
Well done HS.
Yes they do
Visit Texas some time and head to the border, cross and it and Mexico turns into a Grade A Shit hole. dead bodies hanging from bridges, Go get lunch, hear gunshots and freak out because your the only american and not used to it while every one continues on with daily life as if its normal. Mexico is a shit hole and the cops are just a small army now.
I just noticed there's another likely blue dragon girl. I guess that's an actual race not a divine benefit. She almost looks exactly like the other one honestly. It's amazing the little details you miss in scenes like this, or the street pan.
one of the reasons I love this manga so much is so many panels especially the first page of a new chapter are so very detailed, I missed the part here the earthquake was happening and all the senate guards or whatever were lying fetal position on the floor as the japs just walked out as if it was nothing on that second afterquake, that was a really nice touch
He seemed exactly the same way in the manga at first. Rough sex the bunny to go pick on his little sister and steal her food. It might seem more over the top just because anything voiced by Tomokazu Seki sounds super hammed up. I love the guy but he's a total ham actor.
Zorzal is never the same design. White haired human Lotor in the light novel, manga Joffrey Caligula, rattailed rat bastard in the anime
Ha ha, no.
There are a large number of reasons why police, even tactical units, are unsuited to play more than a support role in military defense.
Police forces are designed to operate under the normal operation of infrastructure. They go on break to get food, they go home at the end of their shifts to get rest. If an officer is injured, they are taken to the nearest hospital. Weapons, ammo, and other supplies are brought in by regular or armored commercial vehicles. Squad cars are fueled off of the same fuel network as other vehicles.
Any army, even one as inward-looking as the JSDF, has an entire system of support, service, and logistics units designed to ensure that the combat units are properly supplied wherever they might be, and whatever the condition of the infrastructure. They have medical units, engineering units, and transportation units to sustain an army in the field with absolutely no nearby civillian resources.
The tight regulation of firearms in Japan also extends to the police, and therefore the weapons they have tend to be small, underpowered, and relatively few in number. The JSDF was built up by the Americans during the Cold War to, if necessary, resist a Chinese or Soviet invasion until US forces could arrive. They have a navy and air force, as well as ground artillery units.
The aforementioned firepower also gives a much wider range of options to the armed forces. They can perform large-scale tactical manuvers leveraging the power of combined arms. Their commanders are also taught to think on a tactical, strategic, and logistical level, and hence have the capability to use that power effectively.
Police forces are quite constrained in most countries. They are required to assess the right of each individual, enforce the law, and leave it to the courts and the penal system to address everything else.
Once you bring in a military force, you can get away with and get done a lot more.
I would kill to see her actually put bunny ears on him and just say "your turn" Think he'd cry?
There really is so much little detail that you have to go back over and reread. Some people may not like the guys art but I personally love all of the little details that are thrown in. You always have to look at the background as generally there is something going on. Especially in comparison to a lot of artists now who just do plain backgrounds. That, and I love the animalistic design of the demi-humans. At least the MP guard dog seems to be the same.
It's great. Like seeing the brawl on top of the bridge, the two catgirls making out, another other minor details you may miss if just glancing through.
Where was that implied? I was just wondering if it so happened that the magazine was being used as surface covering while painting the minifigs or cleaning out a gun, like one would use junk mail ads for to protect a work surface.
Man I don't get all the hate towards the manga art, I think its great, and I feel like they have the perfect ratio of fantasy/animal/human for a lot of the mystical characters, the anime just butchers this ratio and moefyes everything
like this is beautiful character design
Yeah right. Am I really supposed to believe this?
Japan can't do anything that will look negatively on them since the whole world is watching with a close eye.
Of course in real military men are able to fuck with local whores.
Hey, the japs are still getting flak because of the comfort women 70 years ago, do you really believe the brass would let the men visit the brothels with the entire world breathing down their neck for a reason to send their own armies in too?
Indon is /cuckold/ king. They basically suck Nip dicks during WWII. And when they tried to invade Brunei after the war, their jungle niglets got wiped out... and that was when they had real guns with commie support.
To be fair, the JSDF was ordered to abstain while they check the girls for STDs (surprisingly, there's none in the GATE world). Though the prostitutes are not really brought up again until much later during the purge. Too bad it doesn't seem like the JSDF ever really got to enjoy the Akusho girls. They've all but practically sworn loyalty to the JSDF.
Funnily enough, the JSDF is apparently allowed to have sex with non-prostitutes; see Bozes getting pregnant.
Yet they're allowed to make "generous" mining rights deals with natives that just shout Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere (natives get half of precious metals and japs get all the rest).
Would you let your men get unknown possibly crippling STDs? If I remember correctly they don't forbid them from having relationships but just from fucking whores.
Wow he really did just reuse her design from this chapter. >>135842042
Even the markings are the same.
I do agree though. The manga art just feels better in a fantasy setting. People seem to bitch most about the manga art being to furry, but personally putting animal ears and a tail on a human shouldn't make them a different race.
I kind of wonder if the dragon girls are all generally blue-skinned. I'd like to assume so simply because of the similarities between both the Akusho dragongirl and Hardy's envoy, but I'm kind of hoping the mangaka proves me wrong and there's more variety at some point.
>Could the Tokyo police have won if they hadn't had JSDF support?
Yes, because they would very quickly have had United States Forces Japan support.
For a second I thought he was going to fuck the bald man too.
Standard SOPs for any first world armed forces is no fucking the local women on deployment, becasue it makes your country look bad, of course that's only if you get caught.
The Boze thing only became public knowledge to their chain of command after the gate closed and half the JSDF detachment got left behind. I assume at that point a lot of rules are thrown out the window on the gate side.
Well she might not actually be blue at all. We had no idea Hardy's disciple (is she ever even named?) was blue until I think the keychain. She might be some other color. dragonoids though are definitely a race and I guess gods pick someone from the race. I don't know why I was thinking the disciple was a special race for being a demi-god. Kind of stupid in retrospect given that Rory was just a 14 year old girl.
While true on all points, do recall that it was mentioned that many have spotted Bozes and Tomita night crawling when they were in the same area.
Technically they have been caught, but no one on the GATE side that knew has bothered to report it until she actually got pregnant, and indeed, it was at some point after things went haywire.
I'm actually more surprised that the JSDF remnants didn't actually just say "fuck it" and start spending time with the Akusho girls after being stuck on the wild side of the Gate, or that more Gate citizens ended up pregnant by JSDF members.
so lets see about that new loli
>Red eyes, light brown twintails with red hair ties, A-1 Pictures, and voiced by Rina Hidaka
reminds me of somebody...
i'm not sold
you'd think there's a difference in the spirit of the death between soldiers fighting each other with the intent to kill versus being squashed by a collapsing building during an earthquake
casualties from the earthquake dont really seem like good quality deaths
What the fug
>Why commies gotta be so triggered by fiction?
They need a carefully controlled environment (hugbox) so that their subconscious won't remind them of the irrationality of their ideals.
Humans are tribal animals, and you can't change that, it's nature. Only westerners are deluded enough (after 60 years of unrelenting propaganda) to force-believe in unconditional universalism.
>subbed as dono
People pay for this.
People get paid for this.
> Muh Battle of Isandlwana
>wanting to genocide big fat rabbit tats
What the fuck is this shit? I knew this would happen
Japanese have canon armor vs anything non japanese even if they are superior to them like the USA
This is why I hate this show. Japs are just better cus. That's the only explanation given.
Would you give a pearl necklace?
>anime goes with LN Sherry design
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH MANGA IS THE ONLY SOURCE THAT EXIST
>manga-onlyfags are the new anime-onlyfags
It's like poetry.
>you will never smash a bunny girl
Feels actually pretty bad senpai
He's holding back but damn, her thirst for the D is too great.
Any army anons here? are there cute girls doing cute things?
So there seems to be a topic going around about whether the scene at the beginning constitutes rape or not.
I say it doesn't, but I know more about the story that most secondaries.
But what do you guys think?
So, how many of you faggots downloaded Divine Gate instead of this?
Does anyone have that screencap from last summer's threads when a militaryfag told the story of how his platoon would binge monstergirl anime and hurl insult's at eachother's waifu during firing range training? It was in a GATE thread.
This is the best thing ever.
Oy gevalt that's not what she said. I know it because of my deep understnding of japanese animes.
>subs say 'Sugawara-dono!'
What's most impressive is this happening more than once.
I thought that maybe a break between cours would make the show less enjoyable but if anything it whetted my appetite for more. I don't think I will ever get tired of modern military wrecking smug primitive assholes.
Are Muricans still mad like in the 1st season?
>MUH COUNTRY WOULD WIN
>JAPAN OP AS FUCK IT'S BULLSHIT
And other shit like that, not going to read the thread.
Looking forward to have some fun again in this season too muricans.
completely butchered the character designs and then cuts out the best part of the chapter
Never expected much from this show but damn this is bad
I think we're pretty happy these days.
Anime/LN designs are vastly superior. Just because you read the manga first doesn't make their designs any better.
I didn't even think it was possible to nostalgiafag over something so recent.
Yes, with no doubt. Although inferior in numbers, they still had the tactical advantage on form of knowledge of area and environment, superior technology, and superior mobility thanks to cars. Tear gas, bullets, and water cannons would've been enough to stop the enemy force if just used correctly together with the natural choke points of the city. Its possible that teargas alone would've been enough to incapacitate the enemy.
Which VA would have been better for Rory's orgasm voice?