New chapter out in two days, leaks are out and it's hype.
Anniefags can fuck right off with this shit, you know she's evil. Calling Mikasa irrelevant and a shit and a man won't change what she's done.
>Annie may have done some things wrong
Not even my thread, it's just beyond me how you Anniefags can stay this delusional after everything that has happened. It's like you intentionally choose not to believe what you're seeing for the sole purpose of shitposting. Correct me if i'm wrong.
I want Erwin to choke me and pound me mercilessly
Warrior Reiner convinced Annie to take the 3DMG off of Marco.
Then, he started tearing up and asked "why would Marco be eaten by a titan?"
I think he switched to soldier mode afterward.
Reiner is still alive. His body is healing.
MT only really spoke to Reiner during that flashback.
Before BR separated, Reiner told Bert how it's such a waste that Bert is the brain of the group but he never acts of own accord when it comes to making important decisions.
BRA DID NOTHING WRONG...
BRA DID NOTHING WRONG...
BRA DID NOTHING WRONG...
No one expects that a person who lost their head is going to still be alive, shifter or not. And even if he was dead they probably shouldn't mutilate the corpse any more. In its current state they could take the spinal fluid, destroy it anymore and they can't.
Is this the pinacle of Isayama's art?
What... what's going on?
Reiner's lost his mind!
You gotta help me!
He heard us talking.
He must die.
Stop with the bullshit!
It's a titan!
There's a titan coming this way!
Titan and titan shifters are different also. Hanji isn't certain all titans are the same. As in having the same weaknesses.
I'm not even an anniefag but this made my heart hurt.
Reiner: Don't tell me you have grown attached to the evil people here?!
If you hadn't, then prove it (to me) right here!!
Reiner: If you think you and your dad who's awaiting your return are different from the corrupted people here!!
Prove it (to me) right now!!
Bert: Reiner, the titan is approaching!!
Bert: Reiner, the titan is...
Am I the only one who cannot unseen a fucking wojak on the second panel?
>the wall's leaders are corrupted therefore all of the people who live here are evil, let's kill them all. ~Reiner~
Reiner confirmed unredeemable prejudiced asshole, literally worst BRA, doesn't hesitate to terrorize and murder one of his fellow comrades.
He wasn't doing it to be mean. Being able to follow through on the mission is life or death for BRA, if Annie couldn't then worse things could happen to her than someone yelling at her. Him fighting MT for the chance to go save her right away and still bugging to the point where MT threatens to fight him again and feed him to a mindless titan if he loses shows that he cares about her.
Because Annie risked her life to save Connie so he wants to remind her of the mission.
>tfw he also saved Connie
Pulled the script off a Japanese blog. Here we go.
BERTHOLT: Are they trying to plug that hole? That's insane... they could get Eren eaten
Then they'll just stay in the dark about things.
REINER: Yeah... looks like if that happens, we'll just have to use our titans to do something about it.
BERTHOLT: But if they really put it off, then all the work we put into opening that hole will go up in smoke.
REINER: That doesn't matter... after five years, we've finally found the clue we needed.
MARCO: What... are you guys talking about?
Reiner, what do you mean by, "your titan"?
What's "The work you put into opening that hole," Bertholt?
REINER: That was a joke...
MARCO: Have you gone insane? You're not acting like yourself! Yeah, I know, I'm having a hard time keeping myself together right now too!
But still! Come on, you guys! We gotta focus on the battle! If we can lure just one titan away, that takes a load off the elite troops' backs!
There's a titan right there! Let's go!
MARCO [thought]: Eren... turned into a titan
Humans... can turn into titans.
They appear out of nowhere and disappear just as suddenly.
Which means... that the colossal titan is likely human as well.
And that means that somewhere, enemy titans are lurking in human form... and-
MARCO: R-Reiner!? What are you-!?
Reiner, you're joking, right?
REINER: ... No.
It's a shame, Marco... your deductive skills were just too good.
MARCO: Eegh! Someone- mmph!
ANNIE: What... are you doing?
MARCO: Reiner's gotten weird!
You gotta help me!
REINER: He heard us talking.
We can't let him live anymore.
ANNIE: Don't give me that bullshit, you bastard!
It's a titan! It's coming this way!
REINER: Take off Marco's Maneuvering Gear!
ANNIE: Why... Why me? It was your fault. Make Bertholt do it!
REINER: No, you're gonna do it!
REINER: You saved Connie back then, didn't you!? Why would you risk yourself for him!?
Do you have feelings for these vile creatures!?
If you don't, then prove it to me!
Do you think your father, who's waiting for you back home, is any different from these degenerate creatures!?
Then prove it to me right now!
BERTHOLT: Reiner! It's almost here!
BERTHOLT: Reiner, we-
MARCO: Aagh! Stooooop!!
Annie! You gotta stop this!
Why!? Why!? Why!??
Why are you doing this!?
REINER: Now you're a true warrior.
Well done, Annie.
ANNIE: What now, Reiner?
REINER: Not yet. If we're doing this, we gotta wait for them to gather up first.
MARCO (thought): So...
Back then, they were waiting for the titans to gather?
MARCO: Ugh... wait up...
What's going on?
Why do you guys have to leave so fast!?
We haven't even talked this out yet!
REINER: Hey... what's going on!?
Marco's... getting eaten...
[Cut to scene with Warboss Zeke, Bertholt, Reiner]
ZEKE: Look, what I'm saying is, Annie's gotta be fine.
You think she hasn't been tortured?
That's a pretty hard tale to swallow, isn't it?
With powers like ours, we can tough it out through most wounds.
And Annie's got a knack for this stuff. I'd bet she's hiding out somewhere and practicing her kicks.
REINER: But... her cover's been blown.
BERTHOLT: Not even Annie can-
ZEKE: Really? You're saying you guys still aren't ready for this?
Is that right? Then what was that determination back then for?
You just gotta do this one more time, Reiner. Got it?
But if you fail again, we'll be giving your armor to some other warrior.
REINER: No, sir... that wasn't what I meant...
ZEKE: Then you'd better show some results. We've only got one goal, remember?
Seize the coordinate here, and put an end to this accursed history.
Let's end it all.
I want us to be the ones to end it.
BERTHOLT: Understood, sir. I'll set Annie aside for the time being.
We're the only ones who should have to endure this hell.
Let's... end it.
4-LEGS TITAN: Warboss Zeke...
Massed enemy troops approaching. They've reached the basin.
ZEKE: O you brave warriors...
I say we settle things here, and carry out our mission.
REINER: Here we go!
REINER: Look, I know I've said a lot of things about you, but we're splitting up here. You'd better start thinking for yourself a bit, alright?
BERTHOLT: Y... yeah...
REINER: You gotta do more than just follow my instructions.
BERTHOLT: Yeah, I know...
REINER: You're stronger than anyone else in the world, but you always leave things to others at the crucial moments. To be honest, you've always been an unreliable guy.
BERTHOLT: I know...
REINER: But not anymore.
We're ending it all today, ain't that right?
BERTHOLT: Yeah, we're gonna win this fight, and end it all.
REINER: That's the spirit. Just keep it up until you reunite with your beloved Annie.
BERTHOLT: I... I told you, that's-
REINER: Look, Annie's in some serious peril here. If anyone busts in to save her ass, she's gonna take them for a prince. Even if it happens to be you.
And there's still the matter of Christa.
REINER: We promised Ymir. We're gonna save her.
BERTHOLT: Yeah, we're gonna.
REINER: See ya later. I'm countin' on ya, buddy.
BERTHOLT: Leave it to me.
BERTHOLT (thought): It's been a while since Reiner titanized...
I can tell his surprise attack didn't go over well...
So when's the signal coming, Reiner!?
SCOUTING LEGION SOLDIERS: We did it! We blew off his head!
We killed the armored titan!
JEAN: Hahaha... we did it...
You've sure given us a lotta trouble, huh?
Serves you right, you monster!
>Hey...what's going on?!
>Marco's... getting eaten
Holy shit Reiner get it together
CONNIE, SASHA: ... Sob...
JEAN: What the hells's with the tears, you guys!?
On your feet! This isn't over yet!
Quit crying! We're the ones who killed him!
HANGE: We're not done yet! Check your gear and prepare for the next step!
ARMIN: We... didn't have any chance to negotiate...
ARMIN: We've got an overwhelming disadvantage in intel. We have no way to capture and imprison someone who can titanize...
And if we don't...
then what else can we do...?
This was unavoidable...
MIKASA: Hey... it moved...
SOLDIERS: The hell!? That wasn't enough thunder lances for him!?
Blow him to bits!
ARMIN: Oh shit!
Is this another one of the armored titan's powers!?
LEVI: Is that the Armored Titan screaming!?
BERTHOLT: There it is! That's the signal!
HANGE: Hit him with the thunder lance! We're gonna have to blow up the rest of his body too!
ARMIN: Was that roaring... for Bertholt to-
Stop! You have to get away from Reiner!
ARMIN: Above us!
Bertholt's coming down from above!
He's gonna flatten the whole place!
>ZEKE: Look, what I'm saying is, Annie's gotta be fine.
>You think she hasn't been tortured?
>That's a pretty hard tale to swallow, isn't it?
>With powers like ours, we can tough it out through most wounds.
>And Annie's got a knack for this stuff. I'd bet she's hiding out somewhere and practicing her kicks.
SO MUCH FOR ANTICIPATING THE BERT BOMB THE SECOND TIME AROUND
>"Quit crying! We're the ones who killed him!"
>starts to cry himself
At least one of them is going to die next chapter and this despair will seem like nothing.
>They pull the strings to detonate.
It doesn't detonate at once. Reier had time to ask them to wait. If they time it right they can strike the barrel first. Mikasa's the only one skilled enough to pull this off though and she's not prepared.
Note to self: if I hear some suspicious shit from someone, I keep it to myself and act stupid
>Dormant at night
>Less titans up north.
Because there's little to no humans north, but pretty sure they would follow a shifter in titan form.
>Stronger and faster
>Reiner scaped the titans Eren send him for luck
An 15 m titan could walk on a river like it's a puddle.
And even so if they would dare to escape MT/ any other war boss the village had would come after their ass. Titan power isn't something expendable.
Not him, but
>Because there's little to no humans north
We don't know of any human settlements outside the walls besides BRAMT's village, which is in the south. Within the walls most inhabitants of the outer walls choose the north because there are fewer Titans there.
It's the general rule. The new ones MT made were not normal.
>Because there's little to no humans north,
It's implied to be the climate.
>Reiner scaped the titans Eren send him for luck
Reiner was overwhelmed because Erwin collected a horde on purpose.
>An 15 m titan could walk on a river
Lake then. Past snowy mountains, other natural fortifications.
It's a good theory that titan populations thin out the further you get from the Wall because they'll be attracted to the masses of humans there.
Titans are attracted to humans, so they tend to aglomerate on the places where the bigger number of people lives. They don't hang out to the north because there isn't as much as people than east or south.
I don't see how anyone can defend what BRA did at Shiganshina, it was an absolute massacre of innocent civilians. Was it really necessary for their mission ? Grisha was able to get inside the wall, be a respectable doctor, find out where the Reiss were hiding, and steal the Coordinate all by himself. BRA could have done the same thing.
Reiner, whether he's still "alive" or not, is fucking exposed out of his titan when the barrel bomb is going to level everything in the area. He's dead regardless when that happens, except maybe Bert ends up killing him instead of the SL.
Once she had. Do you realise this happened before FT arc. She killed Levi's squad and yo-yo'ed with people disgustingly. Even after that before getting into crystal remember how she talked with EMA and laughed maniacally. Then she transformed into FT again around the civilians and made them die too.
The titans on Trost were still atracted to Eren, and Ymir attracted titans as well, even more than normal humans.
It doesn't matter where they could try to hide, the village warriors will still reach them. They would end up rekt and eaten like the ones who probably served as example before.
apparently people are surprised that marco was treacherously slain by BRA. isn't that the obvious conclusion when annie suddenly shows up with marco's 3D manoeuvre gear 50 chapters back?
Well I think Annie wasn't strong as much as general opinion thought earlier. I believe Reiner helped her to become a warrior and mentally determined with manipulating her. Even after not killing Armin was a mistake. I don't remember what happened with Mikasa.
It's unknown if how many other warriors are left if any. MT may not assume they deserted immediately, he was able to wait 5 years without word. He must also consider the possibility that they somehow died.
It's not that, the circumstances of his death were never clarified. Yes, we knew it was foul play, but we didn't know how it played out. Turns out it was sad for Annie, and Reiner showed how retarded is.
>MT may not assume they deserted immediately
Because they must have had some way of comunicating with the village about their position. There was someone living within Utgard, which was probably MT or someone else keeping an eye on them and they might have met there.
Annie can't be saved by the SL. Only Reiner and Bert can, and they'll die. SL will free Annie to question her, and it'll most likely be with Levi, Hange, Erwin if he isn't dead and Eren along with Arrmin.
This is different for both teams. For RB, saving her means taking her and work again with MT. SL doesn't know her situation but they won't kill her and she's sure to speak once this mission ends.
There were super obvious death flags for them from when we found out.
the titans are a metaphor for nuclear weapons just like every show in japan
they're basically the god warriors in nausicaa that caused the world to become a quasi-medieval post apocalyptic shithole
After this chapter it's canon if it wasn't already:
Annie is weak
Marco is stupid and stupidly nice
Reiner is nuts and gay yet he has high loyalty for his mission and comrades
Armin still the only one shows sign of intelligence
Zeke a fatherly leader
Erwin still shit after turning to one, in denial
SC best shingekis
Jean is growing up, signs of PTSD
Bert turned the shit for real
Levi - Eren insignificant
If anyone major dies on this mission and it's BR doing, I can see Historia being angry at Ymir since she helped them. It depends though, we still need to know more about BRA's overall mission.
After learning what kind of horrendous crimes The Wall committed to the village's people, she will likely apologize to Ymir and suggest to be with her for the rest of her life as a compensation.
>all this Annie despair
>tfw killing Marco made Reiner snap
>tfw Jean never lets himself cry
>tfw there's only more suffering inbound
I WANT OFF THE PAIN TRAIN
Talk about delusion, people who say Yes or even agree to what he asked prove they never read the political arc. It s obvious as fuck she won't betray the SC nor leave after everything that has happened. Take your headcannons out this ain't happening, also the promise thing only reassures Ymir did died.
you think this s is painful/suffering? how soft are you fags?
now pic related, thats soft and
If so why wouldn't she be there helping them? Unless she can't do that anymore. It's obviously hinted something bad happened to her and the imprisoning shit ain't happening. The promise shit would make sense if they didn't managed to talk to Ymir anymore after that clash of titans battle but since they all got alive and discussed it's obviously something else.
Because she doesn't want to help them with that mission and MT obviously isn't just suddenly going to trust her, especially if there is someone inside the walls she wants to protect. He can't risk her getting in the way of that. Also the reader is bound to believe judging by Reiner's words that Ymir is definitely going to die at their village, no matter what, but even after that she is still not listed as a dead character in every volume. Why if apparently she is definitely going to die at BRA's village. Shouldn't be her going there already confirm her death?
Reiner you asshole they felt sorry for you, well not anymore after that signal.
>You're stronger than anyone else in the world
I take it that they are not solely relying on flattening everyone and chaos ensuing. Eren and Reiner showed new skills maybe Bert also has some new trick up his sleeve. Eren is most likely going to create a dome to protect everyone so CT has to continue the fight somehow.
> If anyone busts in to save her ass, she's gonna take them for a prince. Even if it happens to be you.
Make it happen. I don't care if Annie doesn't return the feelings but she damn well better recognize the man who saved her, this is not Jean we are talking about. Although I want Mikasa to notice it this time and return it, maybe saving Jean herself. /a/ predicted it, Chuugakkou predicted it only thing left is for Bert to princess carry her away from that crystal.
>Armin(or Eren), take care of her
Yo're making no sense. Ymir may have saved them but she's not the one killing a bunch of SL members. If anything, she would have been holding a grudge against BR, and going by what we've seen, she doesn't.
>adding armor to the colossal titan
>implying it needs any more weight on its frame
There's a good chance Bert can't even hold his titan form upright without leaning on the wall.
If you knew someone who saved the ones who later killed your friends and fellow comrades, would you just run into their arms and forget they helped them survive? I'm not saying Ymir is to blame and can't be forgiven; she isn't fighting BRA's cause, but innocent lives could've been spared if she didn't side with them.
-annie ignores bert for the entire narrative
-annie essentially says bert represents everything she hates about herself and people in general
-this chapter annie tries to get bert to kill marco
kyaaa bert is going to be her prince!!!
I would consider why my friends and comrades got killed. BRA had their reasons to do what they did, people within the wall could have committed horrible crimes to their people, there must be a reason why they called them "devil's spawns". If Historia know about those reasons, she will likely sympathize with them.
Even if BRA's cause is justified they still killed many people who had nothing to do with this supposed corruption. I firmly believe that humanity is somehow in the wrong, but that doesn't mean all of humanity is inherently evil. Both sides think they're doing the right thing, but BRA are the ones who infiltrated their territory and they have to live with the consequences. I doubt EMA will ever regret opposing them because even if they later understand their motives they will always hold emotional resentment against them for their actions.
If Eren is princess carrying anyone it's Mikasa
>people within the wall could have committed horrible crimes to their people
I understand that, but not every member of humanity is to blame. Imagine some terrorist killing your innocent family and friends because your nation did something awful to theirs. Would you still sympathize with them? Their reasons might turn out to be justified, but the emotional damage they caused can't be washed away that easy.
Technically, Reiner is dead, that explosion blew his neo-cortex to bits (it's where consciousness is formed) and left him with just his basic brain.
This means that when he full regenerates back, he will be a new Reiner, with an identical copy brain.
>-annie ignores bert for the entire narrative
She sits with him and trains with him, she isn't attached to the hip or talking his ear off but that isn't ignoring.
>-annie essentially says bert represents everything she hates about herself and people in general
She never says that. She says it's the normal thing to do and expresses sympathy, not hatred, for it. This is something that is obvious that people seem to not get for some reason just like Annie not being coldhearted before this chapter.
>-this chapter annie tries to get bert to kill marco
Reiner is holding Marco for someone to take the gear and he's the only other person there. Who do you think she's going to suggest as her replacement?
>Look, I know I've said a lot of things about you,
>To be honest, you've always been an unreliable guy.
>she's gonna take them for a prince. Even if it happens to be you.
Reiner is too blunt but it seems he did motivate Bert in a way.
>Would you still sympathize with them?
The best way to defeat terrorism is to understand and sympathize with those very terrorists. Hatred only creates more hatred, if both sides just keep on hating and killing each other there will be no end of the bloodshed. The fact that the Afghanistan and Iraq wars made terrorism reaches global scale is the primary example. People must learn to forgive each other if they want to survive.
In a perfect world, sure. Foes will become friends and live in harmony, but realistically that won't happen. Emotions and opinions cause complications. Most people can't let go of their grudges and resentment if they were directly affected, even if they understand the reasons behind the misfortune from a logical standpoint.
>-She sits with him and trains with him, she isn't attached to the hip or talking his ear off but that isn't ignoring.
no that's ignoring you autistic clod, when she shows interest in someone she shows it clearly like with eren or armin
>-She never says that. She says it's the normal thing to do and expresses sympathy, not hatred, for it. This is something that is obvious that people seem to not get for some reason just like Annie not being coldhearted before this chapter.
she clearly thinks people who're too weak to go against the majority are bad people and that's why she's drawn to people like eren and armin
why the fuck do you think she was so shaken by armin calling her a good person
bert is the embodiement of everything she despises about the world and herself
You can hate their actions. What is RAB has done is inexcusable.
Still, after this flashback, I cannot hate them personally. I don't think we should. I am not saying they should be forgiven. I mean:
- Reiner had so much guilt, that he created another personality in order to cope with it
- Annie.... do I even need to? Eren always thought she was strong, surprise surprise. She is weak, I pity her. I wonder how Annie's personality will be without her mask.
I want to know their story...
>REINER: Look, I know I've said a lot of things about you, but we're splitting up here. You'd better start thinking for yourself a bit, alright?
>BERTHOLT: Y... yeah...
>REINER: You gotta do more than just follow my instructions.
>BERTHOLT: Yeah, I know...
>REINER: You're stronger than anyone else in the world, but you always leave things to others at the crucial moments. To be honest, you've always been an unreliable guy.
>BERTHOLT: I know...
Rude, but he's right. ;_;
No need for a perfect world, mutual understanding can happen in this world too. I understand well people tend to listen to their heart than their mind, but time can heal almost all wounds and erase almost all grudges. Fifty years ago no one could imagine the US and Cuba would cease to be enemies. Just give them some time and people will eventually learn to forgive each other.
>I wonder how Annie's personality will be without her mask
She will still try to act cold but can't hide her concern toward her friend in SL right after they tell her they understands her and bear no grudge against her.
BRA's people had more than a century to forgive humanity for whatever they did, but they're still set on destroying them. The chances of this war ending with a mutual understanding is very slim.
Isayama is getting better but he still can't draw ears or profiles for shit
>BRA are the ones who infiltrated their territory and they have to live with the consequences
You can't blame spies if your security forces fails to identify them. They're at war and people use every mean necessary to win in war. The humans' death is tragic but in the end they must treat it as water under bridge if they want to end this conflict.
>they must treat it as water under bridge if they want to end this conflict
Logically speaking, you're right, but emotional human beings don't work like that. They're not going to forgive people who came into their territory and fucked everything up. BRA came to get revenge of some kind under their people's orders and the SL and the rest of humanity is entitled to get revenge too for what they did. They won't forgive them. The conflict will end when they kill them.
If they only came to steal the coordinate, why would they call them "children of the devil"? Why is Reiner calling those in the wall "evil people"? There's underling hatred under their key objective. Whoever gave them their orders must've told them they were disposable, evil enemies, otherwise they would've found a less lethal way to obtain the coordinate.
>she's a normal kid and anniefags treat her like the second coming of jesus
Nah, we keep saying she is just a weak-willed, normal teenage girl who was forced to do bad deeds against her will, but some faggots here insists she is the devil itself.
Nah, you keep insisting she is a goddess that is too good for this universe when
>she is just a weak-willed, normal teenage girl who was forced to do bad deeds against her will
Reminder that SC have escaped death so many times that they have achieved meme status. If anyone is going to die it's Jean trying to save them because they're incapacitated crying and won't move.
Annie is the most innocent out of them. On the inside, she was crushed by the guilty and torment of her actions. Reiner literally threatened her to kill Macro to prove her loyalty and Bert just gave no care because he was too much of a faggot.
> Annie is the most innocent
How would you even measure that? Guilt shown, which they all have? Amount of people directly killed (not counting the crushing of the walls since the only reason Annie didn't do it was because her titan form wasn't fitting for the job and that's different from a direct kill)? Because Annie's on top of the list there.
iagree with this:
Peole always make Annie out to be a coldhearted devil spawn bitch, while evidance clearly shows otherwise.
But not only Annie, Reiner and Bert are all regretting their actions. They just went to the point of no return when they let Marco die. They can't stop now, they've gone to far. Annie's decision to be a lone wolf wad actually the smart idea, acting coldhearted and silent. And then Reiner introduced the THE suicidal bastard.
Not really. Annie got dragged into a mess they made and Reiner was acting like an asshole and Bert was just going along with it. I can't help but to feel more bad for her than them in that scene.
None of them is more innocent than the others. They're all responsible for everything, and all of them are crushed by the guilt of it. That guilt is a big part of all of them in the manga and all their side material. Stop pretending that Annie is different just because she wasn't chomping at the bit to kill Marco
He said she's the most innocent out of the three of them, which she is. Reiner went batshit on her and Bert's a silent sociopath. You can't think Annie was equally as bad as them in that scene.
If Annie had the right to decide Bert would have done it. If Bert had the right to decide Reiner would have done it. In any case Marco would still be dead. No shit that no one wanted to do it.
Anybody who thinks either of BRA are just plain evil is retared and I refuse to believe that anybody really thinks that way.
We still don't have enough info about where they came from, their exact objective and it's obvious that they've all felt remorse at some point and were even threatened into submission at times (giving their titan power to another soldier if they don't cooperate = being killed).
Why can't you autists understand that anybody who says "Reiner is evil I hate him" is just shittalking for the fun of it? And if they do hate him for whatever reason, they still can acknowledge there's stuff left to be learned at the same time?
Why make arguments now, the world isn't black and white, everybody knows that already.
>Annie smiled while killing soldiers
She wasn't on her right mind when doing that. She killed them as a way to steel herself for her mission, she had to feel dying inside. If anything, you should feel bad for her.
Wonder what Annie would've done if she had been the one overheard.
She knew it had to be done, she just didn't want to be the one who did it.
Also back when she eliminated Sonny and Bean, why did she use her own 3DMG for that and not Marco's, to be able to show her own when they were all inspected after the fact?
She should've been a little more careful, or was she unable to because they're all specially fitted and you can't just use another person's easily?
What did Bert do to kill Marco? He didn't tell Reiner to go grab him, he didn't tell Annie to take the gear. His focus was on the threat of the titan that was coming right at them while Reiner and Annie were arguing about what to do. Not jumping in immediately and having to be talked into it doesn't change the fact that Annie still took the gear and killed him.
What part of "Annie was literally forced to do it" you don't understand?
And Bert exactly didn't do anything. He just watched Reiner put the pressure on Annie and made her do it against her will, he didn't even try to help her out.
Bert could've sided with Annie or tried to stop Reiner before it got too out of hand. He just stood there and watched as Reiner yelled at Annie and forced her to take the gear.
Yes I'm sure BR would've stayed quiet about a potential traitor and everyone would've been OK with her knowing everything and potentially spilling it out while sucking Eren dick.
That doesn't excuse him. Warrior-Reiner is his true personality and he overreacted and acted like an asshole. Of course Soldier-Reiner would show regret and confusion at the end.
Because he did? It was his and Bert's fault being heard, she had nothing to do with that but he used the opportunity to force Annie to "prove herself". Annie didn't want any part in it.
Annie was okay of killing Marco, she just didn't want to do it herself. Other note it was murdering own friend that was needed to snap Reiner. It all makes sense now why he pulled all moronic stunts later and how split personality is not an asspull, doing such a cruel thing will break a person. In the end Marco is the reason of titan trio's downfall, he got his revenge. I also thing that Reiner's last words for Bert are how he is going to change as a person. Based on how Isayama said he wanted them all to change somehow by the end of manga. He's going to be more assertive from now on.
Who the hell is saying they are heartless, Reiner at least wouldn't have tolerated a traitor, and instead of killing her himself he would've just told MT to do it because he is too much of a pussy to do things himself, just like Bort.
None of them wanted any part of it. You think everyone else was excitedly thinking about how great it was that they were finally going to get to kill Marco? This was something none of them wanted but they're a team and they had to do it, they can't just opt out of the parts they don't like.
What proof did Marco have against them? It's his word against theirs. They could've continued to say it was a joke or that he heard them wrong. They weren't even remotely suspicious at the time. Everyone was stressed at the time so I doubt anyone would've believed Marco even if he did try to tell someone, and Marco probably would've doubted it himself later on.
>Annie didn't want any part in it.
>Had nothing to do with it.
She is in it as much as them they fall she falls too. Or you're one of those who believe Annie didn't called the titans on chapter 1?
They are all equally guily. BUT:
Reiner and Bert fucked up and involved Annie in it. I would have though Bert, because he 'likes' Annie, would have done it for her. No, he just stood there and waited...
Bert should have realised that he caused this mess and should have done it himself. Yes Ok, it was to prove Annie's loyality, one would still expect a man to help a woman clean up YOUR mess.
>Reiner, what do you mean by, "your titan"?
>What's "The work you put into opening that hole," Bertholt?
No shit. I never said any of them were excited, but if they had to kill Marco, BR should've done it themselves since it was their fault he overheard. The fact that Reiner dragged Annie into that traumatizing situation just so she could "prove herself" was fucked up. None of them wanted to do that, obviously, but it wasn't the right time to test Annie's loyalty. That's just insensitive and wrong.
She was there, why do you say that like they went and called her to come?
>Bert doing anything he's not ordered to
The whole point is that he has no will of his own, he follows orders. He does have thoughts and didn't like this, but he knows what the mission entails and does what he's told to.
Marco was intelligent and well-respected by his peers. He was literally the most believable person in their entire unit.
Maybe if it was a tard like Connie nobody took seriously you might have a tiny point but even then BRA would be under scrutiny and unable to perform their little schemes (Annie killing Sonny and Bean) without being under suspicion and surveillance.
Letting him live was a huge, huge chance to take that would've ended with them caught in 99.9% of the time.
And why on earth would Marco make shit up?
He said to their faces he believed them and thought they weren't serious, sure, but in his thoughts it was shown he was already putting the pieces together.
She didn't disagree, she just told Reiner to make someone else do it. But of course Anniefags are too retarded to realize that, she must be an angel that wants to save the world.
> taking his 3DMG instead of killing him
I get not wanting to arise suspicion by him being killed by the hands of a human but finding the corpse without any maneuver gear is suspicious as well, isn't it?
So what do you think of Annie's appearance 46 chapters later?
Bert is a weird character. He "lacks initiative" and has no will of his own, yet at the same time it seems like he's seriously in love.
He cries about people torturing her but doesn't stick up for her when he's standing literally next to her.
Isayama should've made Bert intervene wordlessly and just take matters into his own hands.
But he didn't and what does that say about Bert really?
>Reiner, did you just say "i have the same power as Eren, i'm the armored titan who attacked the wall 5 years ago" ? Bertholt, what did you mean by "I used my colossal titan power to breach Wall Rose in the Trost district, the same way i did at shiganshina 5 years ago along with Reiner Braun and Annie Leonhart, my mates from the warrior village" ? what did you guys mean by this ?
Has no will for the things he does, that doesn't mean he has no thoughts. Hell, the whole flashback was him thinking back about Reiner and Annie breaking, but even if he feels bad he's way too passive to do anything.
>Isayama should've made Bert intervene wordlessly
It's not that he doesn't talk, he doesn't act.
>what does that say about Bert really?
Nothing we don't know so far.
When will Mikasa and Annie finally settle things?
Although I guess right now the score is Mikasa 1:0 Annie (but we don't know who won that fight on the coutyard when they were trainees)
Actually she didn't want to do it, but since it had to be done no matter what, she didn't want to do it herself and wanted to have Bert doing it instead.
Kind of weird how she toughed up later.
Maybe he just thought Rainer was right, that Annie needed to do it since she had been growing too soft. He's a follower who followed Reiner's lead, even when it concerned the girl he's in love with.
> tfw he's in love with Annie for being soft on the inside but at the same time can't have her be that way, for the mission
I wasn't expecting this to hurt but it did
Since when is posting cute chuugakkou screencaps of Annie over 20 threads ago pretending to be a Anniefag? You're fucking delusional, Annie is shit and so are you.
I don't think Annie stands a chance in that regard, I'd be more worried about Historia. But she has Ymir.
> tfw when Eren gets with Mikasa it will only be because he "settled" because his other waifus were either traitors or unavailable
Being Mikasa is suffering. When was the last time it was shown Eren truly cared for her (or Armin)?
Actually, she has a big chance. Eren still needs to have someone teach him martial art and be his fighting partner in upcoming fights again the monkey and his peers. Eren obviously prefer Annie's technique over Mankasa's berserker style.