>>135805285 I don't hate him but I dislike him because he's the reason people view TTGL as mindless fun which it isn't. He's crucial for everyone elses development and has a cool design but aside from that I don't really like him.
>>135805865 >everyone was moved by his death. You touched an important part of Kamina's popularity. See, his death hit the fans hard and many miss him but it could be argued he's so beloved because his character departed at the right moment. Kamina is a character that can overstay its welcome really fast specially with more serious and elaborated plot coming. His departure at the peak of his awesomeness left a lasting mark for the rest of the show and made him an icon. Things that possibly wouldn't have happened if he stayed and people started questioning him longer.
Kamina is a cool character but he's pretty basic writing wise and his luster would be more compromised the more he appears on screen. He had to die and that's what made him memorable.
>>135805920 >view TTGL as mindless fun That's exactly what it is though, or at least how it comes off for the 95% of the audience too young to catch all the older SR Anime references.
Kamina was written to die from episode 1, he's a by-the-book mentor figure who doesn't bring anything particularly new to the table and dies at the exact moment when it's most plot-convenient. His death was a AnJ parody for fuck's sake, how is that supposed to make you feed sad.
>>135806796 You are one of those people that complain about Simon because he's "a little bitch"?
It takes stuff from old shows and adds it's own things to it, that doesn't mean it's not serious. It's more super robot than anything but there's plenty of drama which isn't overblowen. It's definitly not mindless fun.
How exactly does the fact that his death had a AnJ reference mean it's not sad? Just because other series use the same one as a kind of joke? TTGL treated the scene pretty seriously.
>>135807337 This. Being a cliche or used before doesn't mean they can't have their own take on it. Kamina's value for the team and Simon was well stablished which helped giving weight to his death. His absence was felt in the subsequent episodes. He was a simple character but was handled very well.
>>135807592 He's the type of person who bends others to his own will, no matter how stupid and laughable it is. He was also pretty annoying always putting up a show and screaming retarded lines. Oh, and also NTR.
He was one of the reasons why I hated TTGL. He has tons of fucking plot armor until he conveniently gets killed off and essentially just runs at things without thinking. It was extremely annoying. He wasn't "manly", he was outright retarded, and the entire cast and show was so far up his ass that I just couldn't take it seriously at all.
I recognize him as a badass but something about was just not the same as having Kamina on the lead. When Simon tried to be over the top he sound somehow forced and corny. Kamina gave all those speeches with a more natural and convincing flair.
this pretty much to be honest familiar, at the last moment he basically tells simon "look man, it was all bullshit" and that's why simon goes depressed, everything he believed in was bs, there's no kicking logic to the curb and all that crap, Kamina was just some guy who wanted his bro to have some confidence. He's still cool since its because of him that Simon becomes the fucking man.
>>135809769 Holy shit, that's exactly how I feel. Simon was tryhard as fuck when he was the main hero, always getting into these longwinded serious speeches about spiral power and piercing the heavens and having epiphanies about human nature. At least Kamina knew everything he said was nonsense. Things were fun when he was around.
I agree, the fact that Phantom World gained so much attraction just because the hivemind needs some fuel is pretty disappointing.
>>135809618 I agree, Kamina is basicly just a supporting character, in the same way that Nia is. The fact that people dislike Nia for replacing Kamina also show how they didn't understand him. She's the same thing but 100 times more honest and cute.
>>135810237 >She's the same thing but 100 times more honest and cute. And that's why she was hated. By the time she appeared there was a dozen of similar characters around for a couple years while Kamina's presence was fun and refreshing because at the time his character archetype was unused in years. Being pretty and having a sad backstory didn't compensated the loss of a fun, brave and wacky supportive bro like him.
Nia is nice but she's no Kamina despite playing the same role.
>>135810571 But we didn't even know about spiral energy in the first half. Kamina even died. In the second half they are up against the anti-spiral, the thing that controlls the entire universe and uses spiral energy just like they do.
I fail to see how there's no tension. Tension comes from characters struggle. And they struggle a lot. Not just in the fights.
>>135810630 Ok, maybe I'm being a huge fag by asking this but what similar character to Nia do you mean. I can't think of one of the top of my head.
>Being pretty and having a sad backstory didn't compensated the loss of a fun, brave and wacky supportive bro like him.
Kamina is pretty and has a sad backstory as well. And Nia is also brave and wacky. I can understand the dislike for Nia for esthetic reason. She's not as cool as Kamina, she doesn't have glasses, a cape and a Sword. And she's a love interest and not a bro. But really, she gets more hate then she deserves.
>>135810571 How does spiral power make the antagonists feel weak when both of the main antagonists have spiral power themselves? The Anti-Spiral in particular was implied to have immeasurably more spiral power than even Simon. Besides that, spiral power wasn't even mentioned until right near the end of the first half, and then wasn't explained in full until the second half.
>>135811328 >I can't think of one of the top of my head. Every love interest discovered inside an object ever bonus points for being short, delicate, light skinned, naive and having unnatural hair color.
>>135811328 >>135811440 I already knew about it before I started the series. Aside from the two main antagonists, everyone just falls over. So even their fights were good, the rest of the show is a complete slog and doesn't save it from being shit. Like in episode 12, against the turtle general. The turtle completely outplays them and captures them, then Simon has an epiphany and Lagann comes to him and one shots the turtle after combining. I felt more for the damn turtle than I did Simon.
>>135805285 Energetic and cool guy, can fight hand to hand, rebels against his elders and prevails, spearheads the species's fight for survival and grabs victory several times and finally dies a martyr, you can't hate him
>>135811678 But Nia and Simon have great chemistry. And Nia has more depth to her than most cute little girls. Maybe I'm being subjective though. Guess I understand why people would dislike her but I still love her.
I'm probably part of the problem but Kamina was the best character in TTGL for me. He was a refreshing alpha-male archetype during a time when failure betas and edgelords were all the rage. His weird antics were fun and really his personality was carrying the whole show.
I legit stopped watching for months after he died. And when I did finish, I feel the show suffered by lacking his presence.
>>135805285 Because with one sentence he made me believe in humanity: "Don't believe in the you that believes in me, or the me that that believes in you. Believe in the you that believes in you!" (I know I fucked that up but you get the point)
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