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Liberty stands for freedom
Oh hail the flag that set us free
standing righteous symbolic of
strength our hopes for freedom to be.
My friends reunite hand in hand
Oh hail! Liberty bell!
True freedom for all men.
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The only "/a/ sings" that I've ever wanted to be made
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>>135707547
everyone knows /a/ are imperialfags
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>>135707434
Is it just me or does the democratic side has more screw-up cast than the imperials? Most of the imperial shitters were either the nobility that were BTFO or Lang. Every high official of the alliance were all minor characters that eventually self destruct from their blind corruption while Yang did what he could to save his own.
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>>135708044
But /a/ also loves Yang and Truniht
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>>135708206
Well its the same deal with the Empire, except Reinhard ruthlessly destroys the corrupt old order and places in his new meritocracy, killing everyone in the process.

The point is that one of the prices of democracy is bureaucratic fuck ups like the FPA suffers from constantly. Reinhard solves that in the short term, but even his empire is a generation away from turning into a hereditary system just as bad as the one it replaced without the right leadership.
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>>135708233
Truniht was a traitor so I don't think he counts.
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>>135708262
problem is we don't see much of how shitty the Goldenbalm-era imperials were in the main series.

Thank goodness for the prequel OVAs
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>kissanime
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>>135708268
Oh, and don't forget Bucock
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>>135707547
2017, 2017
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>>135708206
> Epileptic spaz
That's what they get for not having an inferior genes exclusion act.
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>>135707434
So did they just give up on the new version of this? Never heard any more after the announcement.
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>>135708233
>Truniht
He's only good at saving his own hide at the expense of others. All in all, he's just a lucky opportunist when people give him what he wants at the right moment (Reinhard freely passing out a promotion or the church and KKK supported him in exchange for future cooperation)
>>135708262
I'm perfectly fine with the way the series ended but I can't help but want a future epilogue to see Alexander and Felix in power, perhaps as the new Reinhard and Kircheis or Mittenmyer and Reuntal duo. Reinhard claimed that if Alex wasn't as courageous or a strong leader as his predecessor then there is no reason why he should be in power. I'm sure the new generation will be more optimistic since some of the remaining veterans of the old (Mittenmyer, Hilde, Julian) are alive.
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>>135708429
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>>135708429
Well that's the point isn't it? All of that is clearly in the future. It's why that last shot is so fucking spine tinglingly perfect. The suggestion of the brutal struggles that will come ahead, just from the way that baby reaches up at the stars.
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>>135708456
Not so fast, swine!
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>>135708456
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>>135708206
This guy and Miss Winsor (the woman in the pink suit who appeared at the FPA council), were the scariest guys in the Aliance by far.
This pic is amazing. It reminds me of what Voltaire used to say about fanatics, and why it's useless to try and reason with them.
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kakka!
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This guy was my favorite.
SURPRISE IT'S JUST OBERSTEIN YOU SHALLOW PUNKS I BET YOU LIKED HIM BETTER JUST THEN
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>>135708206
>Is it just me or does the democratic side has more screw-up cast than the imperials?
It's just you.
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In retrospect, there were surprisingly few direct Yang vs. Reinhard confrontations. I expected a bit more before starting watching it.
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>>135708882
>This guy was my favorite
You say that, but I'm sure you have never heard him whisper sweet romantic things into your earphones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzN994vuH7A
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How will future generations remember Yang?
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>>135708961
You know, in retrospect Reinhard didn't do much compared to Yang. He just had a lot of people and Kircheis.
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>>135709056
Reinhard did way, way more. He not only usurped power in his own state and completely reformed it from top to bottom, but went on to conquer the entire of humanity. All Yang ever did was act as a military leader.
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>>135709182
>someone posted an image you made
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>>135709166
He archived a lot more by playing his cards right but in the end it was mostly his admirals who did most of the work. Yang did almost everything himself.
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>>135709403
Yang relied much on his subordinates as well, but in a different way
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>>135709403
Reinhard was the figurehead for all that, he selected his staff and they all worked FOR HIM. He was working tirelessly the entire time as well, we just don't see him pushing paper because it's not as exciting as leading space fleets. Reinhard also led a lot of space fleets, but he was never afraid of responsibility, unlike Yang.
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So much of the writing is pure literature, how can it be that it was made into an anime?
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>>135709388
You don't have to be a faggot about it
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>>135709182
Thank you anon, I forget to save this for later use every time.
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>>135709403
>hypocrite
that's the point I think, to show he had a secret soft side he didn't let anyone see.
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>>135709503
Now that you mention it, if Yang had some drive to change a bit and got motivated to worked out and not believed his friends would always be able to protect him then it might have ended differently for him.
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Are the prequel series canon?
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>>135709403
Reinhard was planning to get into power and so was making a point of being surrounded by skilled people.
Yang's gang were his friends, his teenage boy housewife, and whoever else happened to be around.
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>>135709595
Yes
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>>135709544
It's a nice feeling is all I was saying. You don't have to be a homo about it.
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>>135709532
The only thing that needs to change in the new run is Kircheis' eyes in those episodes.
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>>135709625
Not really, that's only true with Attenborough but even he was a very capable leader. Yang was just as good at seeking out talented officers as Reinhard, and equally reliant on them.
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>>135709625
>tfw you will never join the Yang crew
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>>135709654
Speaking of Kircheis, I found the artstyle change a few episodes before his death a bit jarring.
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>>135709625
Not entirely true, Yang had gathered some skilled staff as well, such as Murai, Cazellnu, Schennkopf and Fischer. It's true that they were his friends but he wouldn't have given them important jobs if they weren't capable.

The main difference is that he didn't have many notable sub-commanders, but that's because he employed a much more centralized style of command as opposed to Reinhardt who liked to give the ball to his subordinates to see them run with it. It's an aspect of the tactics vs strategy that was often mentioned.
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Julian is the definition of a Mary Sue, right?
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>>135709739
no it's actually a clever trick. that way you least expect something drastic to happen, because nobody would be irresponsible enough to run out of ink at such a crucial moment, so it would be even more of a shock obviously.
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>>135709766
It's more the fact that Yang for the most part was in charge of literally just the Yang Fleet, whereas Reinhard at various times was in command of THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE. Each of the famous admirals Reinhard selected had their own fleets the size of Yang's.
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>>135709835
No shit. He looks and sounds like a faggot too.
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>>135709835
This. The difference between him and, say, Yang or Reinhard is pretty much a perfect illustration of what a Mary Sue is and isn't, though curiously Yang is the self insert, he's a well written enough and well rounded character not to be a Mary Sue.
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>>135709835
You just can't relate to the guy other than in the way that he's a Yang fanboy
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>>135709931
I can relate to his boipussy. With my dick.
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>>135709988
Gaaaaaaaaaaay
And checked
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>>135709835
I think the worst offender is his whole "Yang2.0" after Yang's demise, all of a sudden, he gets the Yang-ish way of calculating strategical outcomes and the ability to command a god damn fleet as an admiral.

I liked how he strived to ensure peace, "just like yang teitoku would want it", and actually managed to make a pact with Reinhard during the end.
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Are humans lives worth sacrificing for a cause, or is no human life worth sacrificing for a cause?
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Let's discuss the best character
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>>135710069
Rubinsky?
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>>135710069
Despite being a meme as the only black guy on Yang's crew, he was a pretty based character.
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>>135710069
I like how he alternates between wise black guy and literally punching niggas across the room
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>>135710197
Dominique a best
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>>135710058
A cause is different than a person's pride.
And the word "sacrifice" has a negatie connotation to it.

A lot of times, people join a cause with their lives on the line, because they truly believe that it is a just cause, like how people serving the military generally think they're doing a great work, by protecting their country Let's not turn this into a /pol/ debate about the military please.

So, yeah, why rob someone a chance of serving a cause, which they williingly would sacrifice their life for.
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>>135710069

Okay
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>>135710069
If only Yang had adopted him instead.
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>>135710058
The answer varies according to the times and what's currently considered the greater good. The former usually is the politically correct answer until too many are dead and the later becomes the politically correct answer. It's a cycle.
The real question isn't "are human lives worth sacrificing", it's how many can we sacrifice for a particular cause (saving souls from hell, democracy, defending one's country, etc) and when should we stop.
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>>135710362

Just who was this slut anyway?
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>>135710197
Rubinsky is such a let down. He gets built up during the better part of the show just to get cancer and do some pointless terrorism
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>You too Felix?

What did he mean by this?
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>>135710396
Oh okay.
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>>135707434
>True freedom for all men.
Really? REALLY? It's space year 801, Imperial calendar 3 for crying out loud! We're still being sexist? How about true freedom for all PEOPLE.
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>>135710770
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>>135710770
The regality is a woman what more is left
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>>135710362
She looked like Katerose.
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>>135710382
>so, yeah, why rob someone a chance of serving a cause, which they williingly would sacrifice their life for
How many are there like this ? I don't think most soldiers in the FPA were willing to die for democracy. They were just serving as soldiers out of a sense of duty to their country and just hoped they could get back to their families alive someday. This is the reason Yang was so popular in the military imo. He shared that pov.
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>>135709835
At least he didn't suddenly gain Force powers. You actually see him being mentored by Yang, Merkatz, Schenkopp and the others.
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>>135710924
What kind of hairstyle was Frederico supposed to have anyway?
Is it supposed to be some sort of female version of a Mullet? First I thought it was just short, kinda curly hair but eventually I noticed the longer hair in the back.
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So what did Reinhard want to say right before his death?
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>>135711509
"I was actually 100% gay for Kircheis"
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>>135711509
I ate some really bad fish last night, I had my servant background checked and he's not the emperor's kid at all.
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>>135711509
"I bet jews aka earth cult did this"
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>>135711508
It's time you got taught about the wonders of the 80s.
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>>135711509
Too bad I didn't get to fuck Emile.
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>>135710050
Wasn't there one scene where all the admirals invited Julian to make up a strategy for their fleet's current situation, and they all immediately shat on his ideas?
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>>135710362
What a semen demon, sex so good it gave Rubinsky a brain tumor.
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>>135710362
Hot and smart, I really liked her.
What happened to her though ? I don't remember.
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>>135712016
She disappeared after the rubinsky thing.
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>>135711359
>They were just serving as soldiers out of a sense of duty to their country
That was kind of what I was implying too, it doesn't strictly have to be political ideas such as democracy or autocracy, but it can be a willingness to defend your country, a cause which can be fought for by joining your local military Now I'm really starting to sound like my superior officers during the army
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>>135710599
He is like Reinhard and Reuentaul in that they're both ambitious and it leaves an open ended question on if it will be Reinhard or Reuentaul's kid who becomes the next big star in the empire after the series end.
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>>135711387
>guy who was like junior lieutenant or whatever gets promoted straight to supreme commander because Yang was his foster father

Yeah no. Iserlohn republic was horrifying case of military dictatorship and nepotism.

>old supreme commander's adopted son promoted into his post without any sort of training or command experience
>old supreme commander's wife made head of state
>old supreme commander revered alongside the founder of their old country

Jesus fucking christ republicans if you want aristocracy and oligarchy just ask.
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>>135712836
I honestly thought it was done on purpose to prove this point from earlier in the series as well as in pt. 2 the talk about how Yang could easily be another Rudolf if he wanted to.
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>>135712836
The entire arc featuring the Iserlohn republic was a fucking mess. I feel that the anime got a whole lot worse after the FPA collapsed.
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>>135711891
I don't recall such a moment, not saying it's not true, would love to see it, but it really seems odd considering they voted for him to become the Teitoku
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>>135712836

Kaiser Rudolph pls
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>>135712980
Maybe they put him into the post because he was gigantic Yang fanboy and the others weren't viable or willing (Merkatz and Attenborough). Yang's entire fleet was full of shitters avoiding responsibility so they just propped up the fanatic on the throne. Even though it went against every single principle they stood for.
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>>135713085
He wasn't just a Yang fanboy, he was his adopted son and apprentice. The choice was symbolic, basically pretending Yang hadn't died. It was also meant to show how quickly an egalitarian system IMMEDIATELY turns into a corrupt hereditary one just like Yang always said.
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I've been wanting to watch this series for the longest time, but I can't find it anywhere.

Does this series have any alternate titles?
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>>135713421
Shit is everywhere man if you want to stream it, if not just go to nyaa
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>>135710433
>Rubinsky is such a let down.

I think he and the Terraists were a subtle play on the whole secret organization ruling in the background thing, and how really such things can never work as the foundations of their power are built on less than glass. I mean the instant the Terraists got fucked in less than two seconds once the Empire decided get serious with them. Phezzan got pummeled instantly when Reinhard decided to go all in uniting the galaxy.
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>>135713421
Its on fucking youtube in the same quality as you'd find on torrents.
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>>135713421
I don't want to be the spoonfeed guy but I like LOGH enough to spread it so: http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=608492
I recommend watching the movies first since they're pretty much the same thing but better budget
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>>135713825
>the same thing but better budget

oh, I should probably check them out then. Never thought they were worth it
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>>135708268
>Truniht was a traitor
What true democrat isn't?
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>>135713421
http://pastebin.com/TYFvHde5
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>>135715175
He was talking about overture and journey, overture should be watched first before the main series since it covers the first few episodes. Journey is the original OVA that's pretty much a standalone so you can watch that whenever
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>>135715373
Samefag here, I meant conquest not journey
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>>135715373
I've already watched the entire main run and some of the prequel spinoffs. What should I watch now?
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>>135715412
The prequel spans around 48+ episodes which includes the first half golden wings that spans around mostly kirihesis and Reinhardt and the other half focuses on yang (forgot the name of it). Other than that, watch the movies mentioned before and wait for the new adaption which no guarentees to be just as good
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>>135715532
Yes I know, I've watched half the prequels.
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Is Golden Wings worth watching?
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>>135716879
nope
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>>135716879
Unless you're interested in shojo aesthetics back in the 80s, no.
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LotGH is long, what do I watch first?
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>>135718411
Episode 1.
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>>135718411
Part 7
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>>135718411
This >>135715308
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>>135712836
But that's kind of the point. You say it's a 'horrifying example", but this is exactly what everyone in the Yang fleet was pressuring Yang to do. Minus 90% of the FPA. He finally did it after being left with no recourse, and he ups and dies. The Iserlohn fortress' objective was a return to democracy, not to be a democratic institution in and of itself. You may find some hypocrisy in this, but they're just following Yang's logic of "an autocracy is better for change than a democracy". And this is a state with a purpose other than just to be, but to spread democracy.

When such a thing is built around a cult of personality , and you remove that figure from the equation, what do you expect to happen?
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>>135708429
The way I understood it Julian is going to rebel again in 20 years (nevermind Yang wanted him to not spend his life as a soldier) and Reuenthal's son and the little Kaiser might aid him. Maybe I'm just a pessimist but that's what I got from the ending.
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>>135708429
I think Alexander would likely struggle to live up to his father's ideals and reputation, and would probably be overthrown or removed.
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>>135712836
That's the point, they became basically North Korea without the repression, they were irrelevant as fuck except as a symbol, general rebellion in the former Alliance being impossible by them not having a single warship left and Heinessen deliberately made a poor shithole so they didn't turn into a second Phezzan, they even kept Yang's embalmed body on display ffs.
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>>135715532
Golden Wings a weird retelling of Conquest, not the prequel. You're thinking a Hundred Billion Lights.
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>>135712836
The most hypocritical thing was the idolatry of Yang once he died.
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>>135719830
I can follow your logic, a conflict is hinted at in the future and with the Iserlohn fortress as political entity you reckon they would be involved. It's certainly possible, and would be inevitable if the Empire didn't start to constitutionalise.

I think that the more likely conflict would be another Empire civil war, perhaps linked to constitutionalisation. Maybe Reuental's son learns about his rebellion and thinks it's the raddest thing ever. This is all speculation which i don't even believe

But how would your rebellion work if the Kaiser is on the rebelling side?
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>>135720463
Not just that, iirc some fanatics in el facil or somwhere like that carried banners with his face when rioting.
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>>135719830
>The way I understood it Julian is going to rebel again in 20 years
Wasn't the Empire on a way to democracy? Didn't they add a parliament as well as a constitution? Not to mention that Hilda was by no means opposed to democratic ideas.
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>>135720463
>>135720531
I wouldn't call this hypcritical, the Yang fleet was always just that, Yang's personal fleet loyal to him above all else. Sure they shared his ideals, but they got swept up in his personality.

It's ironic for sure, it would have been hypocritical had Yang accepted such open worship during his lifetime. And there might by some hypocrisy in that Yang headed an autocratic state despite being a republican. I personally think because he took that path with his own survival in mind that kinda invalidates it.
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>>135720523
>But how would your rebellion work if the Kaiser is on the rebelling side?
The actual heir to the throne is hiding somehwere, that shitty little brat that was kidnapped and taken to the Alliance, remember the corpse Lansberg had in his appartment was proven to be just some random kid, 20 years is by no means enough time to root out all Goldenbaum sympathizers, specially embitterned nobles.
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>>135720952
forgot about that, with that in mind the show leaves enough loose ends for a war to be a real possibility, especially with Oberstein gone. Maybe his assistant lernd good, but that's not certain.
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>>135720808
I think there were promises of a degree of representation and a constitution but Reinhart was wary of that since he thought straight democracy was for cucks. I think Hilda might have been a lot softer in that regard...or easy to manipulate for that matter, it's hinted there were a lot of people in the government who were eagerly awaiting the chance to get more power, not even necessarily trough violence.
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>>135712836
If you look at it from another angle they had no way to establish an actual working democracy when the entire population was military staff.

In a way, this was the deepest political nod in the show.

They became an aristocratic republic.
Such was a system of most Greek city states, and some would argue the Roman 7 king (a King in ancient Europe was more of a Tribal leader, while our idea of monarchy came for the mixing of Greek, Persian and Egyptian cultures) period.

They want to preserve the spirit, idea and seed of democracy.
So they take the form of government the cradle of democracy had before the reforms of Solon and Cleisthenes.
Rome too would become a republic, and become an empire in much the same way as the Galactic Empire.
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Reminder that Fleet Admiral Paul von Oberstein did absolutely nothing wrong
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bump for justice
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LOOK AT MY TINY CAR

GODDAMN
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>>135725208
no justice no peace
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Imagine a mug, which keeps getting bigger

That mug is the Universe!
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>>135708233
Yang is the best MC anime's ever had, but Empire was clearly the realest place to be in the untold galaxies.

Also,
>loves Truniht
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>>135709720
The only person in the entire Wenli cabinet I'd trust besides Yang himself is Petty Officer Louis Mashengo.
Literally all the talent in the sea of stars went to the germanic side.
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>>135710058
>Bodies
>Rotting in space
Spotted the room for debate. Checkmate, Kaiserkind.
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Why does Free Planetian military garb demand wearing ties under those ascots?
Do you think Dusty actually put on a tie every morning beneath his beige, beige handkerchief?
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>>135727964
Well he's a totally lovable scumbag. He's dastardly selfish and scummy and he keeps getting away with it. His objective is to get power, and then what? Do nothing, just hold onto power. He's such a mindless parasite I can't help but be charmed by him

>>135728126
Dusty is a good admiral, maybe not Merkatz/Bubcock.Mittermeyer/Reuental tier, but you know maybe he is, we never really get to see. If you're including the petty officer then you can't deny that Poplan and Schenkopf had talent too, in their own professions
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>>135728406

I dunno, man. Why do they wear shirts with shoulderboards when they don't even bother with epaulette insignias.
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>>135728458
Bucock wasn't even a diamond among rocks.
He was at best a patriot who defended the FPAmerican way till the end, even though his final voyage was nothing but martyrdom.
Poplan was a great soldier but had zero administrative acumen, and Schenkopf honed all his skills under in the Empire.

By George's democratic regime, Truniht really was the only supertalent besides Yang.
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>>135728458
Dusty always seemed like a mediocre/slightly above average admiral to me, but he was good at conversing with the other characters and bringing out their points of veiw. I would love to read his book when he finally writes it.
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How did your outlook change in your different rewatches of the show? For me it was something like:

First watch
>Reinhard is so awesome fuck yeah Imperials
>Reuntal is kind of a dick
>Lang is totally an asshole
>I can't wait to see the Earth Cult's true motives

Second Watch
>These battles are kind of boring
>Lang is actually just misunderstood and only turns bad after being embarrassed by Reuntal
>I'm starting to see why people like Yang
>Earth cult is really starting to become a drag

Third Watch
>Fucking Reinhard is such a whiny cunt
>Reuntal is the leader Imperials should've had
>Lang is actually an asshole
>Yang is a total bro, I just wanna drink a beer with him and shoot the shit
>IT'S ANOTHER FUCKING EARTH CULT EPISODE
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>>135728705
all you said was people of talent, i brought up people with a talent. Fuck your bullshit, Schenkopf came over as a child, and even if he had honed his skills that talent went to the FPA side, to use your words. Speaking of administrative acumen, Carzellnu was great at that.

When you say something like "literally all talent went to the germanic side" there's gonna be some wholes in that.
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>>135729079
Lang gave money to homeless children anon
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>>135729014
Dusty broke records, much like Yang, like he even broke Yang's record as the youngest admiral, or something like that. Also he gets introduced as like the best student of his year, which is worth some merit. He doesn't shine much, because he's generally used when Yang's busy somewhere as a substitute. Fuck that's what i need in the remake, Yang can sacrifice a bit of his bullshit and Dusty gets that spotlight.
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>>135729224
Yeah, great private life, great guy. Just when he gets on the job he can't stop being a scheming asshole for even one second.
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>>135719866
By Felix hopefully
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>>135707434
>kissanime
What with all these cancerous LoGH threads? When did plebeians found about it?
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>>135729514
Don't say that anon, they were always meant to be good friends. It was Reinhard's dying wish.
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H E I L
K A I S E R
R E I N H A R D O
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>>135729525
This isn't 2006. Even anime casuals on the other boards know of LoGH by now.
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>>135729698
DIE
KAISER
REINHARDO-SAMA
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>>135729079

First watch was
>I never experienced anything so elegant and spot on about politics in anime or films, I'm really enlighten about how the social structures work.

Second watch was
>SQUARE FORMATION LOLOLOL
>REINHARD IS AUTISTIC AS FUCK JESUS
>JULIAN IS A CLOSET HOMO
>OBERSTEIN DID NOTHING WRONG
>LE MYSTERIOUS DISEASE
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>>135730098
When did they ever square formation?
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>>135730193
Before Reinhard takes the Free Planets.
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>>135729817
SAVE KAISER
FROM TERRAISTS
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>>135730193
Muh Rome.
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>>135729525
What's wrong with watching it on kiss?
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What other works or non anime media/books are like logh guys? I feel a void after finishing it, arlsan senki doesnt seem very similar in terms of feel and scope
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>>135732375
It's as good as it gets. Everything else is niche trash that's only purpose is to make a profit from suckers.
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>>135732375
Crest/Banner of stars, the closest thing, but sadly unfinished.
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>>135730098
You forgot the documentay chapters.
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>>135733284
>Crest/Banner of stars

Looks shit
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Rudolf>>>>>>>>Reinhard
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>>135733469
It's true. Rudolf's purge of inferior gene material massively improved humanity. How many people did you for example see wearing glasses in the series?
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>>135733870
That's not a certain thing, remember Oberstein has his robo eyes so it's entirely possible that people with shitty eyes get them replaced. Hell, maybe Oberstein just had super shitty eyes and in most cases the shit gets fixed with laser eye surgery. That's entirely speculation though. And i'm not arguing that Rudolf's purges didn't improve the gene pool, I just think you're example is flawed.

Now, how many retarded people did we see in the series. A LOT. Mostly nobles, and the nobles were clearly the most retarded. Like seriously every noble had a more competent assistant/steward whatever who was there to show how retarded the nobles were. So while Rudolf made his "contributions" to the gene pool, his contributions to society were incredibly regressive and proved to be it's own unwinding.
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>>135733469
Hey, isn't that Schenkopp's great grandfather?
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