Kamiyan as Rei confirmed?
According to manga author's comment, Shinbou adapt this show is her dream, and she even said "either Shinbou direct it or don't do the anime adaption"
I think your wrong with that. A director with confidence is a good thing.
Tetsuya Oya, one of Shinbo's 'clones' spent 5 years working on a single production to make, what looks like, SHAFT's best work to date. If that is antics then all the other directors in the anime industry aren't much better i'm afraid.
SHAFT do cater to a particular type of audience, because they have what 99% of studios lack, a STYLE, a STYLE THAT PEOPLE LOVE. They are known for being wacky and unique, and what's so bad with that? I've already read about 5 chapters of this series and SHAFT can perfect it. Absolutely perfect it. Text on the screen? So what? Head tilt? So fudging what? Random colours all over the place? Welcome to the artsy side of animation my friend. This is an art medium, you know that right? Its an art medium, not a story telling medium.
As for the source material and style you mentioned. I believe they do the right thing with that. People's perception of anime these days is that a series 'gotta be adaptation before being an anime'. That's not how it should be. This will be a SHAFT anime, first and foremost, then an adaptation.
I respect your opinion but the way you said it was like SHAFT and Shinbo aren't capable of this series, That they will ruin it. That is bull.
SHAFT are a fantastic studio for doing creative art and animation and Shinbo is a genius director if ye think outside the box and actually look at his stuff. Its insane.
Now do bear in mind this is from the perspective of a passionate animator, so I see animation much differently, but I prefer to have enjoyment then a faithfully adapted boring piece of crap like the crazy amount of 'hits' i've dropped over the years.
SHAFT have so much passion in them its unreal. And seeing how people are treating them on here makes my blood boil, ye have no idea how truly good the SHAFT style actually is. And its genuinely upsetting.
Well, I guess I can look forward to ye whining about the series when it comes out while i'm enjoying the hell out of it.
Sorry about being so aggressive. But it annoys me how everyone complains about anime that are the exact same, yet when a company is completely unique ye complain that they are 'too unique'. Its annoying. Most of this comment is general by the way, but reading your comment flicked the switch
I'm gonna place my bet right now, this will be an anime of the year contender, now lets see.
I can't tell if you're an idiot or just a shitposter.
Well yeah, that's how it is for all Shaft shows. Shinbou very rarely draws storyboards and never directs episodes. He's really just a figurehead at this point.
They'll probably give this one to Miyamoto.
Cool! Nice to have another shogi series besides Shion no Ou. There is the potential to meet Hidimari Sketch levels of comfiness with Rei's found family.
Are Honey & Clover and Eden of the East the only other adaptations of Umino Chica's art? I wonder how SHAFT will compare to those other studios.
>Its an art medium, not a story telling medium.
Yeah what is Vampire Bund, Maria Holic S2, Arakawa, Nisekoi, Denpa Ona, Sasami, Mekaku, and to a lesser extent Graffiti and Soredemo. All carbon copies of the Bake/Moon Phase style of direction and photography.
Many etablished and big VAs were all at an early state of their career when getting their first Shaft role.
see Kana Hanazawa, Miyuki Sawashiro, Eri Kitamura, Yuka Iguchi etc.
You should all know by now that SHAFT will put 0 effort into anything that isn't Bake or Madoka. There will be QUALITY all over the place, shit pacing and amateurish animation to match that of TOEI or DEEN.
If you actually have hopes for this you're a fool.
I think Mekaku City Actors is a bit of an exception where Shaft truly did not give an ounce of a fuck about the show. Other recent series like Koufuku Graffiti and Nisekoi looked nowhere near as bad.
Meanwhile at GodAni
Why the fuck would you adapt this by Shaft? Are they stupid? Is the author retarded?
The tone of the series doesn't fit Shaft at all. I don't want stupidly over-exaggerated shoji matches that change colors 10 times. I don't want Rei's monologues to become some pseudo deep bullshit with 10 different camera angles.
And not to fucking mention everybody's going to shit on the show because >SHAFT.
Maybe she is not familiar with actual Shinbo directing and how he makes every female in his shows a literal cumdumpster whore. What SHAFT does to Bake girls is nothing compared to what Shitbo has done.
Who doesn't enjoy good looking turds? I mean the otaku in Japan are all over Bakeshit.
Ikuhara was directing like that well before SHAFT was even in the map lad.
I'm sure people who've been reading this for years care. It's a genuinely good manga that's well recognized on /a/ for it's quality. Now it's going to be Shaft kiddie core and everybody's going to dismiss it and never even try the source.
I blame Aniplex and that scumbag Iwakami just as much on that one, probably a lot more really since this is the sort of thing that's been happening with most of their projects lately. This is more them trying to find a way to squeeze money out of a hot trendy title more than anything, realizing they were teenagers and working the most implausible and infamous marketing/packaging campaign I've really ever seen for an anime series (though the Kizumonogatari "trilogy" is looking to possibly top it) as well as him just falling back on one of his favorite studios that dealt him success before same as always. It was either them or ufoTABLE really who were no doubt busy at the time working on some Tales, God Eater or Fate thing.
The reason no fucks were given is that it was just them relying on the 500,000+ fanbase of preteen girls that bought the LN and watched the music videos clamoring to get the latest JIN singles and project. They even got him to write the scripts and do the music for it which was an absolute terrible idea to anyone but his fans since the guy has never written screenplays or scripts for anything in his life and has no business doing so, but I could say the same for a lot of people anime and especially Aniplex employs as writers now. It pretty much had no business being an anime other than Aniplex trying to make as much money as possible again while Shaft was just doing a job as fast as possible which showed in some of the awful CGI and QUALITY.
Soredemo suffered this fate. The manga is actually good and funny, and the show wasn't half bad but the obligatory and out of place head tilts, eye close ups and slow-mo body movements made the whole show felt like a Shinbo circlejerk.
I can barely make out what's happening in these frames with all that blur. I forgot this had that much of that and now I see why people complain about it a bit when it comes to Kyoani.
Yes, that's my point. They group a broad style together and then call it all the same rehashed Monogatari shit. I've seen people try to throw in early Shinbo stuff and Silver Link's stuff with Oonuma and all that.
It's going to be a combination of people crapping on it for SHAFT failing to live up to the source material and not even trying and SHAFTfags fawning all over it because it's SHAFT. Either way nobody wins.
The idiot who made those webms have a x1.5 speed for some reason.
Implying adaption by any other studio would change that. Everyone knew the shitposting commences as soon as anime adaption was announced. Just look at watamote threads before and after the anime announcement, and that wasn't even an meme studio.
If how /a/ treats the source can hurt your feelings, be grateful you didn't get Kyoani.
and Dezaki before Ikuhara, but he actually seemed to give a shit with his projects and it was as much about realizing their potential with them as it was about putting his stamp on it and experimenting with angles and action shots and what not. By comparison Shinbo is just a commercial hack, he even said his two primary goals are trying to make shows that will sell and please producers and keeping costs down.
No, they are often even pretty vocal against things.
Shaft also has a reputation of working pretty closely with the original creators. Jin Kobayashi even storyboarded an episode.
Fuck everything. I can already see them using that in every single scene with Kyouko.
I would much rather have shitposting and a good adaptation by Kyoani than shitposting and a garbage adaptation by SHAFT. I'm mad because there's no winning at this shit. At least Kyoani would've done a visually beautiful adaptation.
> Implying adaption by any other studio would change that
Not him, and I'm less annoyed that people will dismiss it and more annoyed at how much shitposting there will be, but this is not the type of content that attracts a ton of shitposting or crossboarder attention on its own, and the manga fanbase is pretty civil. If it weren't Shaft or KyoAni, I doubt we'd have had a lot of problems in the threads.
This isn't a vague "I'm very pleased that this studio is doing the adaptation and think they are the best choice to do it justice". If she says she demanded a specific director, she probably did.
>/a/ suddenly hates Shaft
And don't forget, Kyoani would be completely change the story by kicking out half of the cast and adding "anime original" characters and eposodes.
>be grateful you didn't get Kyoani.
Careful with what you say friend or I'll fuck you up.
None of that matters now because it's Shaft/Shinbo's show now and people that have never seen it are going to tune in and praise it and shit up threads about it because they are strictly Shaft fanboys and obsessed with their style. For the first time ever really I kind of sympathize with people who complain about newfags and secondaries when it comes to anime adaptations and fans of the source material especially if Shaft does to it what many are expecting. It's just going to be awful for them listening to Shaft fanboys go on about the show and the exquisite "artistic and deep" stylizations of this or that scene that didn't need it in the first place while essentially supplanting the fans of the original franchise if not in terms of sheer numbers at least in terms of shitposting and the source fans feeling marginalized in threads where there should be cause for celebration of a long awaited anime adaptation.
This is probably one of the main reasons a lot of people hate Shaft, especially in a post Monogatari landscape, but they're equally as balanced out by people that will love anything Shaft/Shinbo craps out in their head tilty style. It's going to be ugly no matter what.
IMO the shows that have most illustrated what I would call a Shaft copycat kind of style of late would be Prisma Ilya and Saekano: How To Train a Boring Girlfriend. The former more for the aggressive fanservice overloads and how those scenes are directed and the latter just in general
I don't hate Shaft. There's plenty of shows that would only work with them and I recognize their talent. But Sangatsu is not, in any way, a show that they should be working on.
I like the term KyoAnus licker more, it makes me imagine I'm licking the cute butthole of my waifu
SHAFT gets shit on whenever they're not making a new yearly season of Bakemonogatari, Hidamari Season 4926, or a new Madoka recap of a recap movie. Probably because when they step out of their comfort zone they tend to come up with atrocities such as Denpa Onna, Arakawa, Vampire Bund or Mekaku City Actors.
Because it doesn't fit their directing style. Imagine if Shaft had worked on NNB or Tamayura.
Rather than a specific studio I just wanted a nice set of staff. Like some people said, Kyoani can go overboard with their changes so that's not nice either.
I think it should've been on NoitaminA for starters.
I didn't watch enough of Saekano to judge anything, but while Prisma Ilya's obviously got a similar style to Shaft's, I don't think you would mix up its direction with anyone's working for them now, and it's the same for Oonuma's other tricksy stuff since leaving, like Tasogare. It's clearly distinct, he's just been heavily influenced by Shinbo.
Because it's right up old noitamina's alley and also because everyone wanted to believe it'd be exactly like Honey & Clover and have the same staff and same timeslot and everything. Also because we all thought NHK General had abandoned anime.
I think she does because of how H&C turned out and her past experience in things lik graphic & fashion design.
I don't want to sound like my expectations are high, but I feel like with a series as popular and acclaimed as 3Gatsu is in Japan they'd put a little effort into making it decent. It'll be a massive letdown if they can't.
>I can already see them using that in every single scene with Kyouko
People were saying it was one-cour in the last thread, so we're not going to get a lot of Kyouko, unfortunately.
The author probably wanted Shaft because it's the only way it was going to make big bucks. Even if it's shit the adaptation is going to boost the manga's popularity. It's going to get all sorts of publicity.
I'm sure she would've said the same thing if it had been Kyoani.
they can still advertise it even then
>is it really impossible that she wanted Shaft because she likes Shaft
nobody likes shaft
but this makes me wonder how her collab with miura came into being as well. maybe she is more PR savvy than other mangaka.
But they're distinctly different. Yes, you're right they do have a SHAFT-style. But for example Sasami isn't like Monogatari at all. Just because they share head tilts doesn't mean shit.
Not only that but the SHAFT-style has been present since before Monogatari, newfriend.
This does seem to be a weird show for SHAFT to adapt, then again the author from Vinland Saga wants KyoAni to adapt his manga so these mangakas are probably just spouting bullshit without knowing what they're getting themselves into.
>but this makes me wonder how her collab with miura came into being as well.
They're published in the same magazine, you nimrod.
>the author from Vinland Saga wants KyoAni to adapt his manga
Got a source on that? It'd be hilarious if true.
She's good friends with Miura, she's been consulting with him about Berserk for years, and if you mean that image he drew of the 3gatsu characters in Berserk, a bunch of the magazine's authors drew celebratory crossovers for its tenth anniversary. Not everything is some conniving PR stunt.
>They're published in the same magazine, you nimrod.
I hope everyone is prepared for the amount of times the series is going to be mistaken for being shojo or josei because of the artwork.
Really? He was terrible and responsible for this monstrosity.
>implying that's a bad thing
>They're published in the same magazine, you nimrod.
i know that you moron. it was more of a question of WHY this happened. i never thought about it too deeply but i was curious for a moment.
it's also because she asked for a director who is as as stylistic as shinbo.
do alternate covers happen often?
From looking at the Manga a bit, a lot of the panel framing is deliberately off. It doesn't seem to have any head tilts, but other than that Shaft's style fits so well it isn't impossible that it was a major inspiration for her drawing it in the first place.
At this point I'm more likely to believe that he just does uncredited work occasionally. There's no way it's actually been like a decade since he's done some actual creative work.
So what's this manga actually about?
Being a shogi prodigy. Sort of.
Really the premise is of a kid who has lost his parents and his adoptive father basically exploiting the poor kid to live out some wild dream of shogi master (because of his actual parentage). Basically causes this kid to estrange this father and his actual kids and generally ends up a loner.
Kamiya please save us
Not as bad as I thought. Although, I am quite surprised that the older series on here never actually got anime. You may as well rule out all the oneshot collections (although how the hell Nasu got its own movie is completely beyond me, because it was a short story collection about eggplants).
Still, I'd watch an 87 Clockers anime. Or Ballroom e Yokuso. Neither seems extremely ridiculous given their sales. 87 Clockers in particularly because Nodame and all. I would've thought Kakukaku Shikajika would at least have gotten a live action or something.
There, happy? I'm surprised anyone would even know. I don't think I've missed any others, but I could be wrong.
We don't make fun of their (lack of) animation for nothing. Doing something at least decent is anything but typical for SHAFT.
This is the typical SHAFT slideshow. Static, wide shots, simple things moving in the background (usually CGI garbage, like the background itself), heavy use of face close ups, sticking to only mouth movements whenever possible, limb movement usually feels robotic.
maybe they could put the Shogi details and analysis in single-frame flashed frames, like Monogatari. Also, this has been done before (Shion no Ou, Hikaru no Go). I'm also looking forward to the .5 short where his friend explains the rules of shogi using cats!
There are some weird ways they've done shogi analysis and thought process in live action dramas. The metaphor of a deep sea dive, for example.
It's called artistic style you dumbfuck........
Not all anime has to look super realistic and boring, anime is a medium of art btw. At least SHAFT shows don't look like the same as every other studips' shows do.
oh, was that already used in 3-gatsu? Not surprising, really. There aren't many ways you can express the intellectual difficulty of deep tactical analysis to a lay person. Nobody has really done a good job of it for chess, to my knowledge.
Can someone explain Shinbou's role in Shaft these days? I know that he's labeled as Chief Director and takes a backseat role in many of their productions, but does he have any input into their creative process at all anymore, or does no one even know because of all the pseudonames he uses?
His role as "Chief Director" is akin to a department head in a university. You can get a sense of what he does in that role in PMMM Episode 6 commentary with Madoka's real Director Yukihiro Miyamoto. The Tri4 release has all the audio commentaries subbed.
That's the point and your problem, because enough people thought it warranted an award nomination. I think I liked The Dragon's Seven Adorable Children better, but only because they were more interrelated.
>get absolutely fucking perfect adaptation from JC staff
>actually an improvement on the manga, which is saying A LOT
>betrays both noitamina and JC staff for SHAFT XD
This was actually an interesting read. I wonder if he'll take up a directing role again now that the author has specifically requested his service. Probably not though.
Honey and Clover defined my career as an adult, and shaped me a lot. My absolutely best memories are watching it for the first time with /a/. I've seen it countless times since then.
I don't think I can handle them butchering 3gatsu, even though I don't like it as much. I do not understand the choice to give it to shaft.
>I do not understand the choice to give it to shaft.
Maybe the author just isn't interested in seeing her manga adapted in a conventional way again. I'm not really sure why, but I can't think of any other reason as to why she would ask Shinbou to direct. Or maybe she feels that he can pull it out of the bag for some reason.
i think sometimes nominations are just meant to encourage promising authors, especially newer ones.
terrarium felt very experimental. reminded me a little of dowman, except worse and more random.
i also liked dragons seven children much more.
I would really like that, and I was absolutely a major fucking shaft fan in the 2003-2008ish era, but I just hate most of their modern stuff.
Bake/madoka are not good series, despite having some impressive visuals and direction.
I love PPD, SZS, hidamari, soredemo, and I even liked koufuku for what it was. I just really hate nisekoi, maria holic s2, bakedoka - which is easily 95% of what they currently are - and cater their new titles towards.
I want it to be good, but I don't trust them any longer.
I would've thought that too. Of course they never win, but as it turns out from groups of editors from different magazines choosing their favourites, they really are that hipster sometimes. And that's good to be honest. Manga doesn't need to be the cesspit that the anime industry is in.
Why does everyone use a fucking five-year-old show that's only now possibly getting a new TV anime as their example of "this is all Shaft does nowadays"? They have made about as much Nisekoi as they have Madoka.
i don't think that anon worded it right, but still, isn't that basically one of the themes? basically parents living vicariously through their children? it's a theme in piano no mori as well.
>basically parents living vicariously through their children
Where are you getting this? His father hasn't really shown any sign of that sort of attitude when he's appeared in the present, and even in the past we've only seen expectations and pressure, no hint of a "do this for me" attitude or something (he talked quite a bit about the player having to want to do it themselves), and at that point I think the father himself was still improving as a shogi player. And that's basically the only relevant parent relationship in the translations so far, unless you count that player whose daughter apparently wanted to spend Christmas with him.
But you see how his other kids basically shunned Rei because he was taking up all his time and attention. They couldn't beat him at this game their father cherished so much. Rei has only ever had shogi and he uses it to get the only sense of validation from an adopted parental figure who he doesn't want to lose. That's exactly why he struggles to this day to keep playing and wedged himself until now. Even if the father is not doing it consciously, he should be aware of what he's doing to Rei and his family.
I sincerely hope you aren't complimenting shitgatsu even 1%.
Music was not that great, visuals were a little offputting and at other times over the top. Story was shit, development was shit, CoA element was S H I T. It just wasn't good.
I haven't seen a single person comparing it to Shigatsu, but I've seen plenty of people predicting that it will be. You're just going to make your own prediction come true by encouraging it. And it wouldn't really be shitposted normally because without Shaft it would probably have one or two calm threads a week, and falseflaggers don't bother with those.
I feel like we're talking about different things entirely. Rei's under pressure, for sure, but there's no exploitation or living out your own dreams vicariously going on. He's not even in their house right now, and he's certainly not doing it for validation. We see him checking job catalogs and concluding that he couldn't quit if he wanted to because he can't support himself otherwise. He wants to be independent.
>high profile studio with constant hits
They're literally only know as the Monogatari and Madoka factory. Those bitches got fucking lucky.
>high profile studio with constant hits
IIRC, Umino isn't on good terms with FujiTV (probably something to do with Eden). I was at a noitaminA panel and someone brought up Sangatsu getting adapted for the slot. I believe the words "It's not possible" were used.
Perhaps he overplayed the argument, but on the other hand, you seem to be underplaying it. And from the point of view from a sideline reader, I guess it's more how you interpret it.
It's vicarious in the same way that Shimada represents his home-town. It's vicarious in the way that he's a substitute for his dead father. Have you seen a definition of the word?
the actual guy you replied to here.
>we've only seen expectations and pressure
that's the thing though. he wanted his children to become successful in the shogi world. on the surface there is no problem with this. but think of it this way, if it was just that, then rei wouldn't have broken up the family like he did.
living vicariously means the father wanted his children to reach his goals. he evaluated them with those goals in mind as well (see his treatment of the three kids). wether a parent should do that is the question here.
this is what happens when you want your children to succeed your goals. that's the kind of theme we are exploring.
anyway, it is a matter of perspective. some may think it is perfectly fine for a child to follow the parents footsteps. but personally i can relate to this theme a lot.
Pick your dream cast /a/.
This is mine
Either Kaito Ishikawa or Nobunaga Shimazaki
Ari Ozawa or Eri Kitamura
Mai Nakahara, cause she does the best onee-sans and I think she's perfect for her