What do you think of him as a director in general? What are your favorite works by him? Do you think Evangelion is his best work?
Best in order imo:
End of Evangelion > Neon Genesis Evangelion > Shiki-Jitsu > Kare Kano > Gunbuster > Nadia > Love & Pop > Cutie Honey
Evangelion is pretty clearly his best work, and I think that looking at him (and really many other people in the industry) solely as a director, key animator, etc. is kind of silly. He's done a lot more in the industry besides those things, and singling out a portion of his work to discuss doesn't really make that much sense (beyond the context of a thread about directors or direction specifically).
Regardless, Gunbuster should be higher and Nadia shouldn't be above anything in this, the current year.
His best work? Eva is the guys only work and he can't and hasn't come up with any new ideas let alone original ones since I was in middle school.
I mean props for Eva and copy pasting the bible but the guy is the George Lucas of anime. One hit wonder who keeps using the same material over and over.
Shitposters should receive the death penalty.
So what did you think of Kare Kano and Shiki-Jutsu? Kare Kano is probably one of the few romantic comanties that impressed me so much and I can't imagine it being so without Anno's direction which really made it stand out as a work among a genre with not exactly the most gratifying reputation.
Have you seen the other works I mentioned though? Gunbuster was good for it's time but it wasn't really until Evangelion that Anno created his recognizable directing style which influenced his later works. Without it Gunbuster comes off as a lot more "normal" and as such doesn't stand out as much.
His true masterpiece is coming soon.
Director: Hideaki Anno
Writer: Hideaki Anno
OST Composer: Hideaki Anno
A watermelon falls in love with a truck.
Unable to confess, he is gifted with by a deus ex machina with a image hash. Never minding the strange thread, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.
But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to the girl, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the truck he called is not the same truck he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the truck's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the watermelon's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most smug kaworu and asuka shitposts in order to equip the other with the QUALITY coding they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, TUMBLING ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the MASTER ANNO.
I think it's still good, I don't consider any of his works bad. Cutie Honey just didn't really fit the live action format, but it was funny and there were some actually suprsingly interesting ideas.
But I think Love and Pop was mainly for experimentation. He just wanted to try out what you can do with a camera especially since this experience is totally different from what you can do in animation. But I think it gave him a good basis and his next live action film, which I mentioned as his third best work came out a bit better. It was kind of more like Evangelion direction-wise (actually not just visually, thematically somewhat too) but it had a hint of Love and Pop in it. It has lots of great angle shots, framing and visual composition. Plus the story I think matters a bit more and collides with the visuals. If you like Love & Pop you should check it out.
The male lead is a bit stiff but besides that it's a really good film.
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Gunbuster was the absolute tits, I think it's his best work.
Tell me how his style is evident and next tell me why you think Gunbuster is great. If you want I can tell you the reasons I consider Evangelion a masterpiece so you can have a point of reference.
To be blunt: Anno is a plagiarist hack.
The top is from the novel 'The General Zapped An Angel.'
The bottom is from the theatrical 'End Of Evangelion.'
Why is this allowed?
>So what did you think of Kare Kano
You're aware Anno had quarrelled with Tsuda, the mangaka of Kare and Kano, right? Anno resigned from all responsibilities and Tsurumaki took the helm as director.
Tsuda wanted the anime to focus on other elements beside the comedy and Anno wanted to turn the anime into a romcom.
Regardless, Kare and Kano is good, and has an iconic anime OP. I still catch myself humming the song and singing the lyrics.
H A C K.
Your 3DPD husbando a fucking hack.
Anno is unoriginal and there are better Gainax directors and writers then him who are wholly original and smarter.
Aside from Anno incorporating his own psychological trauma he experienced into his characters, what you see in Eva is something superficial, banal, and unsubstantial. All Anno did was took what had influenced him and incorporated everything into Eva; Space Runaway Ideon, Ultraman, scifi, it's hard to ignore the similarities once you've seen what had influenced him. He was careless and destructive during his four year depression. If it weren't for Sadamoto and the Gainax staff helping that emocunt, Eva would have been another anime of the 90s gone unnoticed.
>Also sometimes plagiarism can result in really good stuff.
Like? Where is an example where the cookie-cutter was better then the original.
Did like you Antz over Bug's? Or Lion King over Kimba the White Lion?
He's great but most of his works are severely overrated, specially Evangelion, which fell off pretty hard in production values the later half of the series (and specially the last episodes), and that's a no-no for anime, a visual medium.
In any case, from what I've watched:
Gunbuster > Cutie Honey > EoE > Kare Kano > NGE > Nadia
His hand on Kare Kano made the whole thing interesting and more digestable, even though the manga itself was decent during the whole first half.
I still wonder to this day how could Anno have handled the more "serious arcs" and Arima's edginess if Tsuda was more collaborative and Anno stood his ground more.
Also, did Hiroyuki Imaishi worked in the opening or something? That looked like something he would do.
M8. Prior Star Wars, Lucas had American Graffiti. That is also Lucas best work, similar to Anno's Gunbuster being his best work prior Eva.
And Star Wars plus Eva eclipsed American Graffiti and Gunbuster.
>and that's a no-no for anime, a visual medium.
You're kidding, right? Because of what happened behind the scenes, that what helped made Evangelion iconic. And it's not like Anno cared.
End of Evangelion is more true to what Anno had envisioned, however.
That's why people often compare them, but as a force in the industry, George is legendary while Anno is a rehashing hack who stagnates rather than innovates.
Anno is shit compared to Lucas. Pure unadulterated shit.
the thing about hideaki anno is that even if you don't like his recent work it's still undeniable that he is a good animator with an eye for good composition of a scene. you can see this in his animated works as well as his live action material like shiki-jutsu. he still has technical skill as an artist.
george lucas has none of that. he's a bad film-maker. the prequels were shot like shit on top of being written like shit. the original star wars that lucas directed had to be saved in editing. lucas is an utter hack in all respects.
Lucas headed and worked on most of the technical achievements in cinema using the money he raked in from Star Wars, pioneering new techniques for shooting scale models in film and not to mention creating and developing several tools that revolutionized cinema. (even Star Trek really benefited from this one)
Before cutting film and joining scenes was extremely tedious work, but with digital tools you could more or less edit them like you do in windows movie maker. A monumental breakthrough.
Then there's also the 3D, which also led to great breakthroughs not only in cinema but also in medical science.
Lucas made everyone benefit from Star Wars like this. Even the crews of the original movies were gifted lavish gifts like motorcycles and large amounts of money for being a part of the team.
Lucas gets a bad reputation where Anno does not because the differences between the fanbases. Lucas clearly made some mistakes with the prequels and subsequent edits of Star Wars, but Anno has all that and more, without ever contributing back to the system. The anime industry still has animators live on 17k USD a year, and Anno is no force for change here despite how much money he earns.
Comparing them is just unfair. Anno is a talented director, but he is a sleazy weasel that hides behind the otaku he panders to.
That's unfair to say considering Anno too has a large team helping him edit and put things together. If you read the interviews for the Rebuilds, you'll actuallly discover he's more or less a decisionmaker while the others are the artists. Anno didn't make all of NGE, much like Lucas didn't make Star Wars alone.
The Rebuilds have some really bad shots, and some good ones.
The Prequels have some boring but not outright bad shots, and plenty of good ones.
The prequels as a technical achievement in the era 1999-2005 are far superior to what Rebuild produces for it's arena, japanese animation, from 2007-2012.
This is coming from someone who thinks the prequels are poor films, just FYI.
the christianity has little to no bearing on the story besides some names, anno even said as much
i think the people who say "lol its a retelling of the bible!" have actually never seen it
Luckily that's not what I'm saying. Read this part of your post again:
>the christianity has little to no bearing on the story besides some names, anno even said as much
Now go back to my post and read this
>The constant meaningless motif with christianity is also cringey as fuck.
Specifically this one word
It's annoying and cheesy as fuck.
it only seems that way to western audiences because of our deep cultural familiarity with christianity and works inspired from it
it'd be like japanese viewers watching movies from here that take random shit from common mythology or religious practice over there
Mm, i don't think Anno worked in FLCL except for the cat voice.
This video is cool too, but for some reason there's no Daicon III-IV. ;
>There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice.
That's a single aspect of the show, and it still gives the experience a distinct texture and mood that couldn't have been replicated in other ways. The actual "deep" part of Evangelion is in the character interactions and themes, none of which were put in superficially.
It was okay.
I have always thought he was a hack since episode 26, he himself knows that he is a hack and im pretty sure he has been trying to cover that up with End of Evangelion and the remakes which are good
>mom I post it again
I heard Anno wanted an original anime ending for Karekano before Tsuda ruined everything. About the dark Soichiro stuff, Anno would have to make a massive re-writing for making it bearable instead of fucking retarded
>Implying everything isn't a rip-off of Gilgamesh
How so? He used some random symbols from a show he likes. It's not meaningful in the slightest. Now if he had used say, specific action scenes or shots nearly beat for beat, I would agree with you, but he doesn't do that.
I will feed you.
The production values going to shit doesn't have to do with Anno's depression, but more with a lack of budget.
And that's always bad, that's why EoE is better, because Anno also had the freedom to do whatever he wanted, but with a better budget.
>The production values going to shit doesn't have to do with Anno's depression
Well, obviously. Anno went through a four year depression prior Eva and Anno imbued his own sentiments into Ikari, Asuka, Katsuragi, etc cetera., that's why there is a certain sincerity to them.
>Now if he had used say, specific action scenes or shots nearly beat for beat, I would agree with you, but he doesn't do that.
go back and look at when Evangelion came out, at how many years ago that was.
now that you did, you should realize why there is no possibility of you ever having a good eva thread again (implying they were ever good), at least not one that's exclusively about the original anime. there's nothing left to say, nothing that hasn't been discussed to death already, if you come up with a theory chances are it's been discussed at least 5 times already, no matter how absurd.
the very reason for the eva fanbase to be this huge terminal cancer is their refusal to let the series fucking die.
but hey people must be happy they made the reboots right, they're so good after all, right? it certain;y wouldn't have been better to stop at EoE.
complete hack who intentionally writes unfinished stories and then rehashes then over and over because he hates his fans
>the final line was initially written as "I'd never want to be killed by you of all men, absolutely not!" or "I'll never let you kill me." ("Anta nankani korosareru nowa mappira yo!") but Anno was dissatisfied with all of Yuko Miyamura's renditions of this line. Eventually Anno asked her what she would say if a stranger had broken into her room at night and masturbated over her, to which she replied, "Disgusting."
>About the dark Soichiro stuff, Anno would have to make a massive re-writing for making it bearable instead of fucking retarded
That's what I was thinking as well. Damn, I disliked almost all the second half of the manga, and that Usagi Drop-esque part of the end made me roll my eyes.
In my opinion, Tsuda blew it.
Gainax was entering in its peak when her manga was picked for an adaptation. I don't see how could she couldn't take the Hiromu Arakawa or CLAMP road and let the anime have its differences with the manga, I mean it was still promoting it.
I would like to say you're correct, but no. It was mostly because of budget constraints that the first end was like that. End of Evangelion was what it was originally going to be in the end anyway, but well, that shit wouldn't have worked if they showed it with crayolas and cardboards so they went with just the "Congratulations".
It's really neat to see stuff Anno has drawn himself, like these festival lanterns or the design corrections in the CRC concept art pages.