What are the best and worst anime Blu-Ray transfers?
Anything that rescans the original film and doesn't slap a million and one terrible filters over it to try to make it look like horrible digital coloring.
Oh, and doesn't make the disgusting choice to crop the 4:3 to 16:9.
Escaflowne for Example
>not being attracted to athletic types.
On the grain subject, why do sub groups think its nice to use a ton of noise reduction in grained anime?
There are people praising the release which looks 2 times worse than it does on raw since most of the detail was killed along with the grain. Why is this allowed?
Is that actually what the BD looks like?
The BD looks like it was done in watercolor.
A lot of Dezaki shows that got the BD treatment look absolutely gorgeous, like Space Cobra, RoV, Ashita no Joe etc.
Reminder that this exists.
Nope. If you watched the blu-rays, you would know. It's in the Extras. And there's a lot of extras. You'll learn more factual information about DBZ than your little weeb head can handle.
The Sailor Moon blu-rays look pretty bad. I actually hear the Japanese DVD remaster done in 2009 is better. Does anyone know if the DVD version that Viz is currently putting out is the '09 remaster? Or are they just using some other crappy source?
Yeah, when ADV got the Renewal masters for Eva, they slapped a few DNR filters and ran the discs at 480i.
It's not as bad as the encode at the bottom, but it's not that far off.
If Funi released a BD like the Level Sets I'd buy the fuck out of it. As it is, I will never drop a dime to support the bullshit they did to their current BD releases.
About what. Toei's involvement in their own titles? Every copyright holder is. Licensors can't even market them without getting art work and shit approved. All translated scripts have to be approved too. They are only licensors, not the owners.
Looks like they really fucked up the colors.
Pic related always triggers me...
In terms of improving over the DVD, Lodoss is one of the best.
Here's what the DVD looked like
And here's from the BD.
What? That the BD looks lighter?
That BD is obviously a proper remaster, so that's closer to how it was intended to look than the DVD, which would likely have been transferred from a Nth generation Digibeta tape that had degraded over the years.
First, you suggested that Toei was interested in the Levels for themselves, which there's no proof of whatsoever, then went on to say that they would be interested in a cropped version of one of their flagship titles. Kai is one thing, but give me a break.
I'll give you this, FUNimation helping the original studios with their own properties isn't unheard of. I believe their upscale of Samurai Champloo ended up being released in Japan later? Their dub of Baccano also made it onto Japanese releases.
But Toei is not so receptive. We're talking about the same company that gave Viz the shittiest masters possible of Sailor Moon after years of licensors fighting over the North American rights. If anything, I'm more inclined to think Toei canned the Levels because they didn't like the idea of a foreign licensor making a better product than they could.
Its not a bluray... Its a frame snap...1999 hxh exists only in that horrible dvd form which like you said is from tapes...
And most likely the broadcast telecine since there are huge inconsistencies in colors and lighting between episodes. The film cuts and joints are present as well
That's true, poor contrast and crushed blacks, but the grain, sharpness, and dirt removal make up for it in spades. Issues like that lessen with each episode too. As an example, FUNimation's master of the first episode looks really terrible for whatever reason, no matter what release it is.
If Toei allowed FUNimation to use the same process as the Levels on their original masters, that would be the best version by far. Sadly, I just don't see it happening.
Bitch be a trap, yo.
>>Hitomi is an annoying cunt and Escaflowne is a shit show.
Yes she's a cunt, the only bad thing about the show is that it was rushed and we didn't get enough fights (that was the real appeal for me) instead they gave us that shitty love triangle that lasted so many episodes...
>that shitty love triangle that lasted so many episodes..
That's what ruined everything. It ground the story to a halt so it could have its shoujo garbage and try to with the "Hitomi might get with Alan!" bullshit even though it's not remotely possible within the show, nor is it going to work from viewing the show in a meta perspective. It's just tedium to watch it treat the audience like we're retarded and think that any of the shoujo bullshit actually matters.
There's nothing wrong with grain.
Half the screen is out of focus, and the transfer is very inconsistent in quality. Any time giant Rei is on screen, the entire frame becomes blurry.
Many first-run DVDs in the early 2000s, and not just anime, were scanned from old Betamax or DigiBeta tapes that had been made for broadcast. But those are rarely stored right and over the years degrade like crazy.
As TVs got better, people started to demand better picture and that's why "remastering" became a thing. That is, going back to the original film reels and rescanning those for better, non-degraded images. Remastering has taken on a whole new ring with higher resolutions found in Blu-Rays and it's becoming more and more worth the money for companies to dig up old film reels to rescan because it's like owning a whole new product sometimes with how much the picture improves.
It's one of the best releases I've ever seen and RX's [EG] encode is easily worth the 74 gigs.
Why are anime BDs so expensive yet mastered so poorly?
Good lord. I love Outlaw Star as much as the next guy who grew up watching Toonami, but that shit is bananas.
Most of my OS shots are of Aisha.
Worth. Every. Byte.
Gundam Seed. It constantly switches between several (bad) up scaling algorithms.
[EG] Approved releases like Outlaw Star and Turn A Gundam. Grain is an important part of a healthy diet.
Best DVD release is Daimos hands down. Most BD releases don't look this good.
And here's an example.
I really hate how that first 5-10 years of digital stuff will never get a proper BD rerelease because they were created in 480p. Lots of good shows are permanently stuck in SD purgatory because of it.
Card Captor Sakura's BDs look amazing.
Oh no, I agree. I don't condone or justify the use of butchering filters. It just sucks that the stuff in that awkward transition phase will never see that fidelity improvement that (some) older shows are getting.
Honestly, you'd think disney would learn from Ghibli on how to properly remaster something.
Anime companies don't care about preserving their work, they want a cheap buck. Throw a new disc set out the door, charge 500 bucks in yen for the improbably wealthy otakus to piss their money on. We have to put "1080p" on the fucking box, right? So blow it up and filter it, who cares?
I don't deny it looks good, but Cornbreadman's looks perfectly fine for less than half the space and I've honestly never been disappointed by his quality dual audio blu-ray batches.
And I uh, share your sentiment on Aisha. I could be because of the nostalgia, but she lights a roaring fire in me like few other girls do.
It's a shame because shows during that period started to substantially improve animation quality after they stopped needing to be painted onto cels. The artistic skill deserves higher resolution.
That excuse for sub-1080p mastering I sometimes hear—that they don't need to make the drawings as detailed because it's harder to see—is bullshit. Stuff now is mastered at 720p for file size management purposes and elevens having low standards. The drawing quality itself is worthy of 1080p usually.
If the genga pages still exist in storage somewhere they could be rescanned, but then they'd have to be recolored and everything else. That will never happen.
All the Patlabor BD releases are pretty fucking spectacular. Extremely high quality rescans of the original film for the movies, OVA1 and the relatively low budget TV series. Stunningly, not only did a company pick up Patlabor for international distribution after CPM folded but they bothered making sure they did a really nice release of the same BD Japan got.
You know, there is an argument to be made that we are no longer watching these things as the creators intended. Most older shows were made with the limitations of a half decent CRT from the mid 80's and the medium it was going to be transferred on (betamax in-station and probably VHS or LD if you were rolling in it for a home release) in mind. We weren't meant to see the little animation imperfections, the corners cut or even the grain. Not saying I believe it, but there's an argument to be made.
IIRC a lot of Disney's old guard animators were painfully old when VHS first came out. On the other hand, Hayao Miyazaki is still alive and kicking. Dead animators can't tell stupid interns not to butcher their work with filters.
>all the godlike disney animators are dead
>it's all shitty 3DCG and flash now
this company shouldn't be worth billions in its current self
That's just how fanservice often was back in those days, rarely would you find examples that weren't off model since the boner bar was still set fairly low. Stuff on the quality level of Plastic Little was basically a radiant gift from the heavens.
They've fucking bought out western culture at this point. Plus apparently half the US has some weird nostalgia for the company and muh mickey mouse.
Forgot to point out, the screenshot didn't come out great because the release is pic related.
G_P knows how to do DVDs. Check out their VOTOMS release, it looks just as good. A properly mastered, and a properly encoded, DVD release can look just as good as a BD.
Ghibli knows not to mess around.
Because look, both shows are 2006, but Haruhi manages to look 20x shittier
He was an amazing animator yes, but he was a one-note writer and some of his movies were almost too stupid to watch as a result. Remember The Pebble and The Penguin? Wish I didn't.
Maybe they still had the digital layers saved somewhere for Kanon.
That allows for a proper HD release, with some work involved. Hidamari had something similar done to it.
With Haruhi, they probably only had the ole 480p master and upscaled the fuck out of it. Or they just didn't give a fuck
Slayers movie BDs look pretty fucking fantastic to my eyes, but what the hell do I know.
Toradora had a good upscale I think.
Consider that was just a regular screenshot that I took while watching the movie and not intended for comparison reasons. Here's the pretty .png version of a different frame from the same scene.
Not to my knowledge. All the movies and OVAs got a huge BD box release sometime last year, the raws have been on Nyaa since November and only now am I seeing groups decide to slap the subs on them.
Either that or they've been uploading to other sites in which case ignore me, I'm a huge faggot who doesn't use private trackers.
So far, no.
And we may not unless the original film reels are found, as even the DVDs look like utter shit.
I hope they do.
I want Slayers TV BDs so bad.
And Lina was considered flat-chested back in the 90s.
>tfw bought level 1.1 and 1.2
>1.2 doesnt even cover the entire saiyan saga
>You know, there is an argument to be made that we are no longer watching these things as the creators intended.
It's more like we're getting to do that for the first time, considering that these new HD releases are picking up more detail than ever; production houses usually screen right from the masters using extremely expensive equipment and as such what they saw looked much better than what everyone else got.
I have yet to see a BD as peerless as Spirited Away. It's probably the most technically impressive film I've ever seen and I'm glad that it didn't get fucked up. Tenshi no Tamago has a pretty great release, as does GiTS, but not as clean and precise as Spirited Away.
I own the Spirited Away BD and it does look great, but it was originally done digitally anyway.
How does Mononoke fair in it's BD transition? IIRC it was the last film to be entirely hand drawn by Ghibli I think?
I'm on a lame Windows Phone, fuckstick. The app doesn't show anything.
>not recognizing OS
>insulting others over own ignorance
You know, I really hate mobilefags, and every fucking time I'm about to have a change of heart a faggot like you comes along to renact this very same shitposting because of your fucking inferior fucking piece of shit technology. And the worst part is that you fuckers already have workarounds these very situations, for example you could just have fucking saved the picture and searched it afterwards. So I can never tell if you're genuinely hopeless or if you're just a pathetic faggot that can't into simple technology to the point where you disregard the whole fucking thread so that anons cater to your needs (like they should, right?).
No matter how many times I try to convince myself that "it's just a tiny computer" or "sure, people might actually have legitimate reasons to be posting from a fucking phone", I'm invariably met with a faggot like you.
Thank you for reminding me that phonefags are some of the worst and most cancerous fucks out there and that the only reason why An Hiro doesn't ban you all is that you're an increasingly more relevant demography.
This is just going to get worse, isn't it?
>Only own 2 Bluray sets
I'm looking to buy Baccano and Durarara!! sets next
Anything to get that is both good quality and not more pleb tier than i've already got
What sells it is how seriously and rationally they come up with a situation in which the male characters must physically assault other patrons of a bathhouse.
Why can't we have more shows like Patlabor?
GOD TIER ANIMES: LETS GO EDITION!
>Kill La Kill
>Shingeki No Kyojin
>Tenga Toppen Gurren Lagann
>Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood
>Mobile Suit Gundam, Z, ZZ, Char, Unicorn
>Ghost in the Shell (Movies)
Watched the Walt Disney documentary yesterday. Very interesting stuff. Really makes you wonder what would have happened if he hadn't died so suddenly.
But then, he was an eccentric and didn't even care about his animated features after a while. He developed a train obsession during the making of Cinderella and the movie obviously suffered from his lack of input. But even before that, he'd already let the studio become sterile and run like a factory. After a while he didn't really care about investing in new talent and just let the core group he had (well, those he hadn't fired out of suspicions they were communists) run things even though they were suffering creatively in their roles.
>"Majority of surveys voted 4:3. Then it was ignored internally. Past sales of 16:9 sold better than 4:3."
So people actually wanted 4:3 but Funimation cropped it anyway and lied about the poll results.
Why would they add something that originally exists on the film roll?
It's called Digital Noise Reduction (DNR).
It can range from slightly noticeable to "the ink is running because we left the cells in the rain overnight." Either way, it's bad because it removes detail. Some companies go even further beyond and CROP the frame so that it'll be 16:9.
Or they would just cancel them like they did with the Level Sets because they released them too close after their Licensed Dragon Box release and not many people bought them
The Dragon Boxes in Japan are considered "their Orange Bricks" believe it or not
I wish Toei weren't such faggots and did the following
>Remaster DB/DBZ for Blu-ray with color correction like Funi Level Sets
>Accept Kei17's tapes with Broadcast Audio which is higher than the audio quality on their sets
There is plenty wrong with grain for animation but that's how the things were shot(back then digital cameras didn't exist) so it's even worse if they remove it
That pic looks way too grainy though
You sure it isn't dupe grain?
>That pic looks way too grainy though
Yeah, no. This amount of grain is to be expected.