Nope, Super is almost getting to the new content.
Hyped to see Buu fight again.
I'm going to ask you two honest questions
Do you think Buu is going to do anything that interesting ever again?
Do you really think Buu is going there to do anything other than job?
>Do you think Buu is going to do anything that interesting ever again?
Sure, why not?
>Do you really think Buu is going there to do anything other than job?
Don't really care if he loses, as long as it's a good fight.
>as long as it's a good fight
The only semi-decent fights you are going to get it's Goku's and maybe Vegeta's. Also implying Toriyama cares enough to make decent fights in Super, he's gonna do a fanfiction tier fight because that's what we are getting in Super.
Be careful there, anon.
Well I'm going to assume that universe 7 will win. This means that 3 fighters have to win.
Goku and Nipples will win.
Buu will throw.
Dunno who between Vegeta or Piccolo will win but I'll thank Doc anw.
I love these girls from Dragon Ball GT.
And I also love Bra Briefs the hot teenager babe.
They wouldn't ruin it with bad art and animation right?
I know this is fucking bait, but holy fuck how disappointing Super has been.
Toriyama doesn't care anymore, he makes shitty and childish designs like these >>135551711 and his apologists always defend him. They shit on DB/DBZ to make Super look good, but the story has been so fucking childish and cliché. Five episodes for BoG saga of Goku and Beerus talking/playing dumb:
>I'm using my full power.
>Lol I was lying.
>But now I'm using my full power.
>Did you believe that? First dead that use my full power against a Saiyan.
I would bet they hire kids to write the script for that saga.
And for BoG they just copypaste all the clichés in anime.
>Big bad appears.
>Friends of MC faced him, but they are too weak to do dogshit.
>Big bad torture one of them to establish now bad he's.
>Edgelord mook of big bad.
>MC appears and fight big bad.
Holy shit I expect that level of writing for U6.
Even the most serious defender of Super has said the only thing that doesn't make Super as bad as GT is the "character deveopment".
What fucking character development?
Recycle the BoG's joke about Vegeta over and over isn't fucking character development, is be lazy as fuck.
Superfags said Krillin got development in Super, what fucking development? He pissed his pants in front of Frieza's minions, Roshi gave him the "you can do it" speech, he fought the minions, lost against Tagoma and since then he does dogshit, in in the upcoming episodes he's going to watch how his family dies because Goku was too busy playing with his buddy Frieza to care about Earth, but everyone is going to return to give up martial arts because Goku can handle shit, so it means we don't have any right to practice what we like.
Again said Super defender said Super is better than GT because Super was developing Gohan "unlike GT". Do anyone actually think Toriyama is interested in letting him learn from his past experiences and train? The manga of Super already gave us the answer.
Super Videl is a dead smiling corpse, that's what I'm saying.
Nipples wins because w-we are a gag series now, not a cheap attempt to pander nostalgiagags.
Goku wins because obvious reasons.
Vegeta wins because this is Goku and Vegeta show.
>The series speaks for itself
>Toriyama speaks for himself.
The final arc saved GT. I loved how they tried to close the book with the Dragon Balls altogether. It beats Z by a long mile.
If you think reverse shitpost is going to help you to make a point, it isn't. It actually proves my point.
To each his own.
GT's final message is actually good, everybody should stop relying on Goku and the dragon balls to solve their problems, take into account GT is Toei's Goku's FF. I doubt Super is going to have the balls to do something like that.
Meh Super doesn't start for me until the Champa arc starts.
>Super will improve and will be remembered fondly
Reminder that he is officially the weakest of the 3 DBZ big bads.
25. An All-Out Battle! The Vengeful Golden Freeza (Current)
27. Goku's Conclusive Kamehameha!
28. Arrival!! God of Destruction Champa!
29. Showdown Between Universes!
Almost there anons almost there
>I can't help but wonder why the humans don't use kaioken,
Because they don't know it.
>is it strictly a saiyan ability?
>I would be very useful to them.
Not really, it fucks over the user body.
No because Super is a more successful version of what GT was meant to be which was lightheadedness and fun times all around from the original Dragon Ball with action from Z, Super has extended the last 2 films which caught the comedy of DB well and are some of the best of the franchise
You forget anything that Freeza can do Cell can do as well so he could also gain insane benefits from training just like Freeza did. Plus he has the combined powers of every other important character pre-buu saga.
>which caught the comedy of DB well and are some of the best of the franchise
GT also tried to do that, and failed just like Super. The difference is that GT was made by dudes who actually wanted to try, Super is made by money lust.
What makes me most angry about Superfriends is all the hoops people will jump through to justify Gohan being locked in the jobber's box.
Fucking GT has done better by this character.
It's a fucking sham
Gabriel, I swear no one but you likes to talk about Gohan as much as you. At some point I'm gonna lose my patience and post all your posts in some spic website and give them all your links.
Pre or Post Christopher Robin Fight?
Yep, I was right. You know you're in trouble when you can't translate something as simple as Dragonball...
>he makes shitty and childish designs like these
>superhaters are people with taste so awful that they probably prefer Z over Dragon Ball
Of course it's childish. Shounen is for kids. And Dragon Ball has always been formulaic.
>fools this isn't even my final form
You've essentially described Z, back when it was actually good, throughout the Saiyan and Frieza Sagas.
>By the Gods... is this the end of Piccolo?
Are you impying DB was this childish? DB knew when to make a joke and how to make it. It had adult jokes unlike Super where the only jokes they can come are Bulma's tits, gasses and Nipple's tits.
DBZ also knew how to made jokes (the best example is how Toriyama succeeded in making Goku threw a dirty joke).
It's pretty pathetic what Super apologist come up to defend it.
>It had adult jokes
>unlike Super where the only jokes they can come are Bulma's tits, gasses and Nipple's tits.
Are you serious? That's your argument to defend Super. A mere joke even a kid without a shitty knowledge of how to make good comedy can make.
Read DB, it was good because Toriyama was in his prime and actually care, unlike Super,
I haven't even been following Super, but the arguments you made against it suck. Super is bad because the creator of Dr. Slump is making it too silly?
And there's nothing adult about Dragon Ball. That's not a bad thing, but if I wanted to watch a sophisticated and mature anime, for a mature individual such as myself, I wouldn't be watching fucking Dragon Ball.
From what I've seen of scans, here, it actually seems pretty funny (which Dragon Ball hasn't been since forever, despite the fact that Fat Buu and Gotenks is when Toriyama started parodying the series), so I'll watch the movies and skip up to the manga, soon, until I'm past them. Humor with Jaco, and focus on Bulma, and Piccolo actually doing shit again, reminds me of early Dragon Ball.
Take your own advice.
>It had adult jokes
Can't believe you're seriously.
Yes too show you don't know what you're about talking about.
>unlike Super where the only jokes they can come are Bulma's tits, gasses and Nipple's tits.
>Super is bad because the creator of Dr. Slump is making it too silly?
>And there's nothing adult about Dragon Ball.
This nice moment when Super apologists talk about DB even when they haven't read/watch it. And Adult Jokes =/= Edgy and dark content.
Holy shit, you sure love to eat shit.
I've already mentioned that I literally haven't seen Super and that I'm just judging your stupid arguments. Sex jokes in Dragon Ball (puff puff, puff puff) are the opposite of mature and adult. Maybe that's because it was published in Shounen Jump.
And to prove my point even more, DB/Z knew when to throw a joke and how, that's the secret of good comedy, to make it feel natural to the atmosphere of the story without just make a joke for the sake of it like Super is doing and abusing.
Please, at this point I can know what posts are yours. You already made the same shitty excuses in the past threads just to upload your memes in the exact order you posted them here in your shithole.
Isn't it obvious?
Shitposter is the responsible of the bait threads about Gohan. He has to start talking about Gohan, then he post the same pages to "show everyone Toriyama was just joking" in the Buu saga.
You are giving this speech, maybe in the DB threads shitpost is just the basis, but in the others ones it is viewed as cancer, even ironic shitpost.
I am not accusing you of anything because we aren't discussing anything, I am just calling the shitpost of DB threads. It's your conciseness that speaks for you.
>Goku suffers head injury as baby
>Forgets his roots and changes his nature
>First Namekian to arrive earth suffers head injury as baby
>Forgets his roots and changes his nature
Now on super
>Mr. Satan suffers head injury as baby
>Forgets his roots and changes his nature
Who else am I missing?
I take this as you being newfags, if then just keep posting in these threads to make your own conclusions, then.
And too bad the images the shitpost post always have the same IP and too bad he always post the same images.
Well to be fair db had become a joke during the cell saga and went full retard during the buu saga it was still watchable but it lost its core. GT was pretty much all crap outside of some good fights the store was pure nonsense.
This picture is everything wrong with dbs. Goku takes a laser point blank range and is fine in dragon ball yet he almost dies in super.
Please, point where I said such thing.
>you can't even prove they have the same IP
Pic related. Anon, there is this thing called the Internet if you don't know shit just lurk and it gives you the answers.
Please, the samefag page in the wikipedia is a DB thread, the poster counter and the clock give everyone away, it doesn't help the DB posters are the same and can be detected by their content.
Even someone has to have a limit with their delusional. You want the laser pics? Look at the Saitama vs Goku threads, and you are showing how new you are if you weren't here for those threads. Bravo, for this reverse shitposting, now officially DB threads get worse than SnK, OPM, Naruto's threads. The next level is to get sage by the mods.
I'm enjoying Super. I wasn't hoping for much, I was disappointed when I heard BoG and RoF would be the first two arcs and that sorta sucks, but I am mostly just enjoying seeing all the characters again. Seeing Ginyu again was great, seeing how the characters act and interact in the SoL episodes are great, seeing Piccolo be an Uncle, etc, I love it all so much. It's not as good as Z or DB, but I'm enjoying it for very different reasons.
GT is still shit I can't watch more then 4 episodes of.
Shit show but it had great concepts but a lot of the time executed poorly.
>SSJ4, Shadow Dragons
Shit concepts, uninspiring show. Its almost as bad as GT but as far which series sounds like it came from your average fanfic, Super would take the cake.
>tfw Dragonball Multiverse will never be properly animated
SSJ4 was great as it goes back to the roots of saiyans going Oozaru as means of mastering the Oozaru form.
Shadow Dragons was a neat last villain concept since the whole franchise revolved around Dragonballs. So what better way for the last villain to be something you have heavily relied on throughout the series?
I liked Shadow Dragons. It was like a nodge at DB's shit tier writing of using Dragon Balls to set everything to status quo.
An ingenious plot device that everything Dragon Ball sorely lacks.
>Literally this post
The only flaw with GT was that everyone got curbstomp sidelined for Goku. Level out the powers a wee bit more, like giving Pan fucking SSJ at least, and make the Shadow Dragons more of a real threat, pairing them off against the canon heroes like in AF, and GT would have been incredible.
Piccolo's death, and the final ending of Goku and Shenron? Brilliant.
Nigger I said great concepts that was executed poorly. SSJ4 at least fits the saiyan theme and made sense especially compared to SSG that was made up out of the blue with no pun intended.
>If you hate Golden Freeza, then Shadow Dragons are the exact same fucking thing.
Literally how? Golden Freeza was much worse than Shadow Dragons is almost every way in theme and in concept.
DBZ, or the anime in which we turn what was an end-game mcguffin into a device that simply resets shit to our convenience and erase all stakes simply to appease a rabid fanbase. Plot summary of every season: 1. Villian appears 2. Kills people 3. Villian is defeated 4. Revive everything with dragon balls, rinse and repeat
Ultimate powers of the Saiyans are Oozaru, and SSJ.
SSJ4 is the combination. It was good in concept, just should have been called something different.
As for Shadow Dragons vs Golden Freeza, Dragons are new characters, Freeza is an existing character. I didn't mind the Golden power up
>SSJ4 was not a great concept.
Compared to SSG? Oh it was fucking was and I would like to see your mental gymnastics if you try and deny it.
>It's not creative and it was dead on arrival at its inception.
A lot of people liked the design that even people who thought that GT was shit like myself would agree on.
>They're literally the same thing. It's lazy writing a retard would come up with.
>Came to be from the overuse of Shenron's wishing powers that was never intended to be used so often
>Each shadow dragon represents each wish made throughout the whole series
>Each dragon is different in terms of strength and abilities
>Trains for some months
>Becomes stronger than Buu who was considered as a god killer at the time.
>Gets a new form with no explanation as to what it is or how it came to be
>Is as strong as Goku in his god form
>literally the same
Having a consequence to overusing the Dragonballs is a good idea. That needs to find its way into canon, maybe not necessarily as the Shadow Dragons, but it should happen somehow.
And for the record
>magic giant monkey form
>magic globes that grant wishes
>bigger magic globes that grant 3 wishes
>how should we show increase in power?
>magically turn hair blonde
>SSG didn't have magic pants and wasn't just slapping another number at Goku's latest transformation.
Refer to here >>135563949
>In fact, the last arc of GT is a rehash of Cell saga
>SSJ4 is literally a rehash of everything before it with zero creativity whatsoever
Shit nigger you arent even trying
>SSJ4 is literally a rehash of everything before it with zero creativity whatsoever
>SSJ3 is literally a rehash of everything before it with zero creativity whatsoever
>SSJ2 is literally a rehash of everything before it with zero creativity whatsoever
>SSJ is literally a rehash of everything before it with zero creativity whatsoever
And I'm not sure what you are trying to prove with
>Super Saiyan is magic
>Oozaru is magic
That's literally my point. The series has always been magic powerups. Some are just obviously better than others
Who was the one who threw a tantrum of five pages? You want me to believe /a/ is this utter retarded? Because this is the first time I see this level of cancer for anything that isn't waifu/your favorite anime.
GT and Super are "sequels" that were forced into the author because money, when said author didnt have any interest in them. Both are rehash of their pequel, both are bad.
Why are you discussion over this?
He is, names Cabba. Frost is the Freeza lookalike, and almost certainly of the same race. Magetta is the robot, no clue on him. Botamo is the bear, also no clue. Hit is the last dude, I like to think he's gonna be a Cell type, mix of different races as the "ultimate fighter"
To be honest I appreciate that GT did't shit on the rest of the characters like Super is doing. You could say it ruined Trunks and Goten, but I am salty when dbs shows Goten and Trunks excited with the prospect of fights having in mind Toriyams is going to drop that plot for them and make them sloppy when it comes to train, having in mind as well that in dbo he made them actual martial artist. Some with Gohan (but if anyone mentions him it is going to be labeled as fags). Super can pretend to devoelop him, unlike GT that forgot about his Ultimate form.
>SSJ3 was plenty creative
>Is SSJ with long hair and no eyebrows
SSJ2 at least has the rage factor. SSJ3 is literally "super duper trianing" or "fusion magic"
>transforming into a gigantic ape and turning your hair gold being anything other than magic
The entire series is magical powerups. Anything other than straightforward, physical fighting techniques is, on some level, magic.
GT forgetting his ultimate form is my personal biggest peeve about the series. But yeah, I personally think GT shits on the characters more than Super, but they're both guilty of it
Why haven't people considered that, instead of Gohan getting really weak, the other characters have simply gotten ridiculously strong? Literally no one he's fought in Super can be compared to anyone from Z.
Its the ultimate reason that, despite everyone, myself included, wanting this to be a true fighting manga, with hardcore set levels and tiers, it isn't.
Its a comedy series that added fighting into it to make money, and spiraled into what was basically a full blown shonen fighter, with the last arc returning to some of its comedic routes, and super trying to balance them.
As much of a "cop out" as it is, the series just works better when you don't think about it too hard.
Honestly yes but not overall. But its sad that Baby/The Dragons were better then anything in Super. Super feels like a gag DBZ with worse animation. Everything is another level that feels like it should be satire.
>Bring back villains from the dead
>Every episode is now lolsorandumb humor training sessions that go beyond the humor of the car episode in DBZ
The tournament might be good but the rest has felt like boring ass filler.
What's better shit on the characters because they are pretending they are going to develop them just to drop the plot in the next arc? Hyping Goten and Trunks just to drop the ball in the epilogue? Or just to place the plot far away from them if they dont want them in the plot?
He mentions he can't draw out his own full power due to lack of training while fighting Tagoma. I think he later compares him to when he was in his prime.
And then pic related happened after Frieza death beamed him a bunch of times.
Frieza would have wrecked him for sure, but at least he wouldn't have looked so pathetic.
The manga already booted him out of the story. He doesn't even get to be a background character, so he's actually worse off than Yamcha now.
Meanwhile, in the thing Toei didn't turn into an anime...
The manga always shows Gohan as someone who doesn't want to fight unless he has to. He's lazy and doesn't like being a warrior like Goku, Vegeta, or even Piccolo. He wanted to become a scholar. And he became a scholar. He's done with fighting.
So it's true they hate him? Why? The last time he was among the most popular characters. But the better question is if they hate him this much why didnt take him out of the story in the RoF saga?
I'd be down for Ultimate Pan who is able to give the Super Cyans a run for their money. Give me a Pan that's got the grit and determination of Future Gohan, but with a lack of knowledge of true loss and despair, and a shit ton more power.
Who knows. I've heard Toriyama isn't above spiteful writing, which might be why Vegeta got killed during the Namek arc.
It's really jarring, because it looks like the RoF saga was laying the groundwork to develop him, and then the very next story arc is set to drop him.
I like how its the same autist posting this same exact webm over, and over, and over, and over whenever anyone criticizes DBS or the movies in any way. I can't even tell if he's serious cause that webm isn't even that impressive you can see the shitty CG a mile away.
To be fair Gohan just doesnt like to fight in the same way than Goku. Gohan was the shonen hero who wanted everything between friends. Didn't Toriyama say he made Gohan ditch his training after Cell because he wanted to end the manga with Goku giving Gohan a final lesson to truly make him Earth's defender?
I get the scholar thing, but he could be a scholar and defend his planet.
Dragon Ball Heroes: Victory Mission is a manga series by Toyotaro/Toyble, the dude behind that one AF doujin who eventually went on to official work. He's done the adaptation for RoF and is currently working on the Super manga.
Victory Mission was his work before either, another official manga meant to advertise Dragon Ball Heroes, the Arcade Card Game that makes so much money for Dragon Ball as a franchise that Super could sell literally zero BDs and Dragon Ball would still be one of the biggest current cash cows in Japan. Heroes specializes in going apeshit with what-if material. Super Saiyan Bardock? The entire story exists SOLELY to promote his inclusion on Heroes. And it doesn't stop there. Super Saiyan 3 Trunks. Majin Turles, Slug, Bojack, and Janemba. Baby Janemba. Majin Baby Janemba. Adult (GT) Gotenks! Time Patrol Gotenks!
And what the manga focuses on are the player avatar characters, who include Saiyan avatars (both male and female, both going up to Super Saiyan 3), Frieza clan, Nameks, Androids, and more.
Nah just give her Super Cyan, she's got hybrid potential and an actual drive to fight is all she needs (which by all accounts she would have had, given Neko Majin).
>toriyama makes a human character that uses the dragonballs to wish for a way to be as strong as the z fighters after seeing them fight all the time protecting humanity.
>ends up being told by shenron about a legend where one learns how to use the spirit bomb technique in a way that forces the energy into themselves rather than into an orb, subsequently boosting their power levels to a huge degree when done with all the surrounding planets/galaxies/etc
>competes for god title against goku and loses, but is commended for being so close.
how would /a/ react
Starts off as a loose advertisement, gets an actual plot as it progresses. One anon's translating the chapters:
Note a best girl
Probably start a war between those that think it was an amazing twist to make humans relevant, and those that think it would be an affront to all powerlevels
>Make that human the true backstory for Saitama, and OPM being one of the universes, and you have yourself a total meltdown
The new power levels are totally nonsensical, there's no way to draw any conclusion about stuff like that. We're back in the realm of GT power levels where base Goku has surpassed Buu Saga Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
I'm gonna be completely honest. I've watched the entirety of Dragonball and the one the part I prefer over all of them is DBZ. I know it's cool over here to call anyone who liked the more serious parts of DB a mexishit but I will always prefer tension and drama over comedy when it comes to anime.
Japanese media is just not funny to me in any way. That's the reason I usually avoid SOL and comedy anime. Comedy in anime usually boils down to slapstick or the same old romantic comedy tropes that's been repeated in other shows a billion times over. The reason I got into anime in the first place was because I Japanese cartoons are much more likely to weave in dramatic tension in their stories while western stuff is usually 90% comedy 10% drama. So if DBS is gonna be mostly DB style comedy over DBZ style shounen fighting I'm most likely gonna drop it. we'll see.
Nah, I don't believe in Toriyama with that regard. Trunks and Goten liked training, but when they grew up he ditched them, how is Pan going to be different taking into consideration he doesn't like to use girls as fighters?
Can't disagree with a single thing you said man. I prefer the serious action myself, as do most people, whether they admit it or not. It what made DB popular. I'm only sticking to Super because I'm still able to enjoy it, mostly because its characters I know and love. I can't just ditch a series with so much history to me. I don't think it could ever do anything bad enough for that to happen, but that's just me.
Did anyone read the Buu Saga?
I mean, did anyone fucking read the Buu Saga?
I like how we keep holding on to those two pages to try and justify/make excuses
I mean shit. Instead of staying at home and studying, Gohan, as soon as he heard it was there was a slight chance, sought out to go into space to go revive Piccolo against his mother's wishes.
Not only that, in the Buu Saga, Gohan didn't shy away from fighting. Besides the "let's meet up at the tournament!" being his idea, he went around doing Saiyaman shit. His life wasn't completely studying. Besides tha t, after getting blasted by Buu, he already resolved to fight even harder than he did before.
GT's done better by this character, and we sit around making excuses for why it's okay for Super to pull this dogshit.
He isn't as lazy or shitty as people claim, but you do have to admit
>as soon as he heard it was there was a slight chance, sought out to go into space to go revive Piccolo against his mother's wishes
happened because he was still young, and hadn't been completely traumatized yet.
It was all of those experiences as kid that fucked his head and made him want to avoid fighting. He associates it not with pushing one's limits and enjoying the thrill of competition, but with death and destruction and despair and fighting a losing battle, along with massive amounts of pressure to be the best.
Thats why he's so reluctant to fight. He is a nerd, but it wasn't because "lol fuck fighting imma study" its because "holy shit fighting is the source of ever trauma of my life, lets try to avoid this shit"
Meeting up at the tournament was Goku's idea. Gohan initially went because Videl blackmailed him, Vegeta and Goku invited themselves.
He totally wanted to fight Dabura though.
For a moment I thought that coment was inplying Gohan's potential was the potential he acumulated over the years, excusing his possible future blue hair with training. But it looks it was just false teasing.
Gohan's a little pussy bitch and he always has been. His one cool moment is completely negated by the fact that even when he was stronger than Cell, he still fucked up like the moron he is and let his dad die. And even when he finall killed Cell, he still couldn't do it without the help of daddy, or literally every other person there attacking Cell from behind.
He's a fucking failure. Goku must be secretly so disappointed in him.
I think Super is more guilty of this than GT. Yeah, GT mishandled a lot of fucking concepts, characters, and even fights, but it actually dared to bring Trunks and Pan along for the ride at the start, Uub getting a fight scene (even though he jobbed), and even Gohan, despite not being ultimate/mystic was still a significant threat when possessed by Baby. Besides that, the series was 10+ years after DBZ ended, and all of the characters have settled down and shit.
It's been like 10+ since GT came out and ended. The writers should fucking know better and should actually be putting some fucking effort into this series. They intentionally chose this safe zone of starting off right near the end of DBZ, where it makes even less sense for some characters to be so weak.
If GT's story came out to day, you know who would be on that ship? Goku, Vegeta, Bulma and Krillin for comedic relief.
And you know what, I'll just say it. I don't like Beerus. He comes off like a childish fan character to me. Him being STRONGER THAN GOKU is fine. Him being A SPOILED BRAT WHO DOES WHAT HE WANTS, BUT LOOK HE LOVES FOOD LIKE THE OTHERS DO AND DANCES, that's a little annoying.
It's the inserting him into every fucking event behind the scenes that takes the cake for me.
That's the sort of shit amateurs do to try and make a new character interesting, by connecting them into events that we've already seen or with characters we know to try and give them some lore.
>I'm not really into that sort of thing...
Also being blackmailed into the tournament
For all of everyone's complaints about the raw deal Vegeta gets in the series, besides the fact that the series is going out of it's way to suck his cock now, he got away with a lot of bullshit in his time.
Hey, Goku's back for a day, and I've sensed that he's a lot more powerful than me! Time to let Babidi posses me to draw out power for me for a pissing match that NOT EVEN Goku wants to have! I'll kill some people to even draw him into it!
the thing is, I dont notice the "bad" animation unless its on my mind somehow. thats why I always think to myself when I join a quality thread, "how did I miss that" then laugh, die, sleep repeat.
Gohan never showed any indication of being traumatized, he was always trying to help his friends. The only time you could say he experience a trauma was when Goku died in the cell games, but after Goku talked with him he was his usual kind self. It is just Toriyama taking the plot he needed to write his story and erasing the others.
>There were two guys that could have easily killed Buu and of whom both Kaioshin (and fucking Vegeta) were aware
>They're never mentioned during the Buu Saga as a possible contingency
Definitely can't argue about Beerus and being inserting past events. You're absolutely right there. I think a part of the reason I like him is because he shits on a lot of the series. I swear I'm not trying to be "super edgy" but I think he's a fun character to be in the comedy/fighting series that Super is/is becoming. I said in an earlier post that Super is basically Toriyama doing what he wants, which includes not really caring about anything that is "established". And I guess my logic in regards to that is "let him."
Goku never showed any indication of wanting to have sex with ChiChi
>Gohan and Goten exist
The series is a fighting/comedy series. That's all its really gonna focus on. Its not
>Toriyama taking the plot he needed to write his story and erasing the others
but more like
>Toriyama using reasonable assumptions when convenient, feeling free to pick some up and drop other, but nothing is unreasonable
Gohan didn't want to fight in a pissing match with Cell to boost his ego, especially since he thought Goku was doing it just so he could be the strongest, not because it needed to be done.
If Cell was going on some horseshit rampage, you can beat Gohan would have been one of the first in there. Remember on Namek, after Vegeta got blown out the first time, Gohan was the one to lead the charge. And after he got healed by Dende, it was Gohan who lead the charge again until Piccolo showed up.
Besides that, after everything that happened in the Buu Saga, we've seen that he's more comfortable with fighting. He didn't just sit around and let Goku and Vegeta fight over Dabura, or go ask his dad to go fight Super Buu in his stead so he can go study. I mean for fuck's sake, he was about to fuse with his dad if it meant that they could beat Buu.
Super's regressed him to even more of a pathetic state than when he was a child fighting against Nappa, and I guess because he likes to study, that's all the excuse we need for throwing him into the jobber's box.
Gohan's not afraid of fighting. It's just not his life's priority. But because this is neo-DB, if you're not a Saiyan/LIVE TO FIGHT, you're punished for it instead.
And you know what? I don't care, or even want Gohan to be the strongest or some horseshit. I would have just liked that after all this time we dust off the series for one more go, that the character can be treated with a little bit of dignity. It's the reunion special! Would it really have killed this series to do something more with the other character that aren't Goku/Vegeta/COOL NEW GUYS than to be cheerleaders/helpless maidens?
Is that too much to ask for?
Stay mad. Beerus is here to stay.
Pay attention a little and you will have the answers to those "questions".
>how is Pan going to be different taking into consideration he doesn't like to use girls as fighters?
Because in DBO (not Xenoverse) Pan becomes a martial artist, a master of a martial arts school with pupils under her wing.
Just like grandpa Satan wanted.
Apparently people who live in cities don't have last names and just get identified by their first name and their citizen number. The only people with last names are the old-timey ones who live in the woods.
At least, this is the conclusion I've drawn from literally two pages of vague exposition. The subtly of Toriyama's world building is underrated.
I don't even know what Multiverse is, and I've never read any goddamn DBZ webcomic
Is this what the Superfriend's defense force is? Don't like a part of Super, you must be a butthurt Gohan/GT/Multiverse fan?
Do you really think that Piccolo is going to go there to do anything other than job?
Vegeta's not going to job, because he's Goku's BATTLE BUDDY and they made a statement promising that Vegeta would get to be cooler this time around.
Nipples isn't going to lose, because we have to show how threatening this dumb character is.
Goku has to have the climatic battle where it's all on the line.
That leaves two people to lose, and those two are going to be Piccolo and Buu. I'd be happy if Piccolo won a fight, but Buu is DEFINITELY there to show how powerful these guys are.
Goku was never interested in romance. This more like Toriyama shitting on his editor:
>No, Tori, dont make him an adult.
>Stop me if you can, editor-san.
>Can you pair him with Bulma then?
And Gohan never showed any trauma, anon.
How do you reconcile this page with the fact that the Kaioshin know about Beerus and Whis?
When you present your argument like that man, I don't really have any counters, you're pretty much right.
Again, only answer/justification I have for ya is that Super is Tori just doing what he wants, regardless of a characters dignity or anything.
You're not alone in hoping that Gohan gets his moment to shine though. Just as quickly as Tori decided to treat Gohan one way, he can flop.
>Piccolo actually dies in the tournament or something related
>blah blah Gohan finds out and goes apeshit
>next threat arrives, we need more powerful fighters
>oh hey, we actually have Saiyans on earth, lets use them
>training arc for Gohan, Goten, and Trunks
Anything can happen man
>nor Goku and the rest like to participate in the Martial Arts Tournament.
Dude, what the hell? We are talking about the same Martial Arts Tournament Goku went as far as to ask for a couple of days to go to the living world to participate .
Thats my point. Gohan never showed any trauma. Goku never showed any sexual interest in ChiChi. This isn't a manga that focuses on the grim traumatic aspects of combat and war, just like it isn't a manga that focuses on the sexual, adult relationships between fighters. And yet, these ideas can be drawn upon if Tori sees fit. Goku and Chichi still fucked, so its not unreasonable to assume Gohan experienced trauma
Is there a name for the red cloth that Broly wears over his pants?
Tights is 58 during Battle of Gods, so both parents have to be in their 70s at the minimum. They're probably immortal, somehow. The weird thing is that they don't seem to share their eternal youth with Bulma.
Only possible way piccolo and buu are gonna be useful is if the enemy team has power levels that vary as much as Goku's team. Nipples, Goku, and Vegeta are so far ahead in strength compared to buu and piccolo that i don't even know why they tagged along. If the enemy team is Super Saiyan blue level in strength buu and piccolo are just gonna get one-shotted unless they train and get an absolutely massive buff before the tournament starts.
Or maybe they're just gonna make this tournament a joke like everything else in super so far and add non-combat related competitions.
I don't know who has it worse. Yamcha fans, because they didn't even bother allowing him to show up to beat up grunts, or Piccolo/Gohan fans, who have the characters show up just to be embarrassed.
While I'm at it, Tien fans too, because while 'gohan a shit for not training', all Tien does is train, and he is not rewarded with any sort of ultimate power because he's not a Saiyan, so fuck him.
Let me rephase that:
When they know their opponents were going to be humans they didnt have any interest in the MAT. Gohan in the page with Videl wasnt aware his dad/Piccolo/Vegeta and Krillin were going to enter.
Goku entered it in hopes the rest were going to participate as well, otherwise he was going to end fighting weak humans.
>Or maybe they're just gonna make this tournament a joke like everything else in super so far and add non-combat related competitions.
This is the safe bet
>inb4 Piccolo fuses Piccolo Sr. from hell and maybe even more other universe namekians for power up
>inb4 Buu unlocks his TRUE MAJIN POTENTIAL and skyrockets in power
If Buu actually gets to use all of his power he's pretty much unstoppable. No one seems to remember how ridiculous his feats are.
Just because you're old doesn't mean you can't look good. Hair dye is a thing. So is plastic surgery. Tights is a genius the likes of which the world will never see again, shit, he probably hijacked some of that Gero's technology and planted his brain in an artificial body and actually did it RIGHT. Bulma probably doesn't want it even though she was seen as being pissy a few times that Veggie looks so young despite being, what, in his late 40s/early 50s at this point?
>it's not unreasonable
Well, yeah, but that would be your headcanon. The only character that shows trauma is Krillin, yet only for Frieza, when Cell and Buu actually killed his friends/planet he seems okay with Buu and was brave enought to help the others with Cell.
Gohan is traumatized in Super for Piccolo's death in Super.
>rather than continuing off of the Piccolo theme or so forth
Well, in a sense, you can count Pan into that.
But yeah, I find it interesting they also use a musical theme with these guys.
The same way he survived literally everything else that ever happened to him.
I might post Vegeta's "fight" against Buu after this. All it is is Vegeta beam spamming for 3 pages then getting the shit beat out of him.
If you base it by page count alone, Fat Buu did better against Kid Buu than even Goku.
Goku's fight with Buu is only 9 pages long. Yet everyone remembers it and no one remembers this fight. I blame Toei.
Dragon Ball Budokai Tenkaichi 3 really did the Kid Buu fight justice in the story mode. It's just match after match of different characters stalling against him.
Other than that one line back when Buu split in half, there's really nothing to indicate that Mr. Buu is any weaker than the original Fat Buu.
One thing about Buu that's frustrating is that he has literally every power, so any niche that Piccolo might possibly have is gone. Think about it, there's nothing that Piccolo can do that Buu can't do better.
I guess Piccolo has his wisdom at least. Kami's wisdom, I mean.
I don't know what putting Buu into a chokehold could possibly accomplish. But then again, Super Buuhan got a bloody nose once. By the end of the Buu Saga the characters are so strong they can do whatever they want and it works.
>Super will improve
>Will be remembered fondly
It's interesting to note that Kid Buu never uses the Chocolate Beam. Do you think maybe that it was Dai Kaioshin's power and not Buu's?
The 12 pages I skipped didn't have any fighting on them, if you were wondering. It's just the Namekian Dragon Ball stuff.
One thing that I've never seen anyone mention about Dragon Ball is how during this fight Vegeta implies that Buus can't get tired unless they're fighting other Buus. Whether this is a special property of Buus or it's just that nothing else can match their stamina is ambiguous, but it's interesting to think about.
Skipping more pages where no fighting happens. Just people reviving, Goku starting the Genki Dama and Piccolo forming a religion.
Ok, that's all. Sure he didn't win, but he did better than Vegeta and even Goku did. Plus I'm sure he's been training since this.
I hope now everyone realizes who the real hero of the Buu Saga was.
>Until Toriyama goes back to drawing manga which won't ever happen
It did happen. It was great.
>It's not the first time DB got necro'ed for a cash grab.
Super isn't the cash grab. Heroes is, and it's grabbing so much money Super could completely fail and it wouldn't even make a dent in the franchise profits.
He's got to be on par with Perfect Cell by now - which in the scheme of things is really fucking powerful, there just happen to be lots of others much stronger than even that incredible level
He didn't do better than goku. Goku got tons of hits on kid buu and was more or less at his level. But obviously he didn't have the stamina to keep going for hours unlike kid buu.
This bothered me, because had Buu not been stopped, Beerus would have woken up to either nothing to destroy, or his universe decimated at least.
>b-but they didn't want to wake him up because he is much more dangerous than Buu
Bullshit, more powerful yes, more dangerous no.
Considering what they pulled with Frieza, it's not hard to have Buu pull something out of his ass. Fuck he's still the strongest after Goku and Vegeta even after not being Buu anymore (he lost Kid Buu, which was true Buu, current Buu isn't technically Majin Buu anymore).
Am I the only person who didn't like Perfect Cell?
His First Stage where he went around killing and draining people was literally the only thing I liked about him, and I was expecting him to become more grotesque, but instead turned into a Racial Stereotype and then into another Frieza, but with manners.
I liked Buu in all of his stages and especially loved Kid Buu.
I read the manga instead of watching it since it took years for me to get to the Cell Tournament.
So the dub might have impacted how I read Cell.
I thought he behaved pretty gay, British gay, like that blue guy that has green hair and served under Frieza.
Only thing I miss is SSJ4 and decent animation.
I noticed the first GT episodes are a point of contentions.
Some people say they're the best part, others say that was the worst
It's because of what people were looking for.
People that wanted more DBZ hated the beginning because it was more comedy like DB.
People that enjoyed DB's comedy liked the beginning, because they appreciated the return to DB's roots.
Most people fell into the first category, because soon enough GT just went for being more DBZ.
In the States they skipped the first so many episodes from being dubbed for this very reason.
that video will never be forgoten
>People here not only unironically watch Dragon Ball Super but also are expert apologists of this piece of garbage.
/a/ really is dead after all.
You guys have no respect for the dead, nor does Toriyama and Toei. Gotta thank those fags for ruining my memories of this series as I was a kid growing up into teen with this bullshit full of ass pulls and mediocre/terrible animation.
And yes, GT at least had the merit of having excellent endings like Blue Velvet or Sabitsuita Machine Gun.
>no respect for the dead
>talking about a franchise who's canonical last two arcs were forced
>your precious series has been "dead" since Freeza's defeat
>accept truth for what is is man
>all these plebs judging DBS before it has even started
>defends the two arcs he likes because he grew up with them
>sequel series that were created for the same reasons as those two arcs have no merit because he doesn't like them
There is no difference between them anon. Dragon Ball is Dragon Ball. Its always been a clusterfuck. It's okay to hate Super, just don't claim its because
>no respect for the dead
>boohoo my memories
Thats my point. Tori wanted to end it after Freeza, but was forced to continue to make more money. That's all GT and Super were. No different.
I stopped watching DBS at episode 8 or so. What's the current episode count and most importantly: Is it still so incredibly shit and badly drawn?
I was hysteric when they announced DBS, but it didn't take long for it to disappoint me enough to drop it.
I think its at 20 something now. From what I've seen, its still pretty low quality. But if that really is a major deterrent for you, it's definitely not worth picking back up.
Although many claim that once the true new content begins, quality will improve.
>Thats my point. Tori wanted to end it after Freeza, but was forced to continue to make more money. That's all GT and Super were. No different.
Thinking something should be true doesn't make it true.
Clicking one more link proves that even earlier, after Piccolo
>"I worked on the series for almost 10 years. When I reached about the third year, I was really pushing my limit, but the original editors of “Weekly Shōnen Jump” in Japan made me continue the story."
3rd year was Piccolor Daimao.
And thus, everything from Piccolor Jr. till now has been forced.
I know the anime game is heavily determined by production budget, but wouldn't you think they'd not fuck around with DB since it's one of their main franchises? I mean seriously, there were some episodes with animation so bad, my 70 year old father could draw a better character with his sausage fingers. It was insulting to watch.
Even if they only started DBS as a cash grab with no mercy, it's still fucking bad enough to shoo all the viewers away. I mean it's really really really fucking bad.
Even better. The entire series wasn't planned, and was forced. It is no different from GT or Super, other than the fact that the main series continued concurrently and everyone has
Taking away that, Super and GT are no different, and should not be hated for
>not letting the series die
And not to start a fight, but just on a personal level, I disagree. Maybe my expectations weren't as high as the rest of you, but I find the series to be enjoyable, and nothing has come off as "holy fuck this is scum of the earth"
There's literally no difference. Toriyama came up with everything on a weekly basis.
It's just hilarious how assblasted people get at Toriyama as if he was supposed to be some writing Guru of super serious, deep, planned stories.
I loved Dragonball and Dragonball Z, despite a lot of DBZ being fillers and stretched to no end. Never a problem for me, because I loved the characters and the animation was nice.
DBS on the other hand is written like absolute ass. I have no problem with the new characters, settings or whatever. My only gripes are the writing and the animation quality. I'm a hardcore DB fan for over a decade and it's generally hard as fuck to make me drop something I love. But when watching DBS, I feel like the people who made it are deliberately trying to take a steaming shit directly in my mouth.
And it's not like they forgot how to do it either. I thought battle of the gods movie was a neat start for something new, and the first episode of DBS was drawn really nicely. But everything afterwards was a plain insult.
From reading interviews&all the little notes he wrote in the DB volumes, it seems Toriyama is an incredibly lazy man. Maybe his editor saw so much more potential in the series&pushed him for his own good.
Also I didn't miss GT even when it was our only option. Super is meh, the arcs are mad short&there's no real depth yet. DB always had mini-arcs inside the bigger ones(Android, Super Buu, Ginyu) but every conflict in super is resolved within 8 episodes. With minimal yelling. Whis and Beerus are great characters, and the tone of the series is much better than GT. Here's hoping 2016 brings a dope tournament
>Fuji TV producer Osamu Nozaki commented on the new series as well, saying, “As I read the plot [of the series] I've already received from Akira Toriyama"
>Toriyama is credited as the original creator
>He does not write the script or draw the manga, but he writes the overall scenario and develops the basic story he wants to advance in his own way
So yeah, the literal specific script is not word for word written by him. But the overall plot and story is his idea, with his direct input.
Which is much more than can be said for the movies.
Some are saying Toei was planning to start the anime with Champa arc, but in the last minute some made them remake the movies, that could be why everything until now is a an abortion. The same with Gohan, Toriyama started to depower him in RoF, now take the movies as the only canon and the manga as well, until now Gohan had zero motivation to train. The manga made him stay in Earth and makes to much emphasis in his lack of training, so Tori and Toyotaro are gonna make with him what the anime did in RoF. And before someone call me a fag, Toei and Toyotaro have Toriyama's script, if both manga and anime coinsided in Gohan being weak and screeing up things for being lazy, then it is because is in Toriyama's script that he is gonna screw up things and from that gain the motivation to train.
But the anime is going to repeat what they did with him in RoF until the script gives them the green light to allow him to train.
I'm pretty sure Bulma discretely wishes to extend the lives of herself and select people she likes, and is more or less lording over earth as a god thanks to her technological and magical monopolies.
>tfw Toriyama didn't pass down the Dragonball torch to Toyble
>tfw we're stuck with Super
>no official SSJ4 Broly
>no official SSJ4 Gohan
>none of that cool shit that's in Dragon Ball Heroes will ever be made fucking canon
Come on man. Superman's been written by like 5000 different writers. I think it'd be okay to look at his work and see if he's worthy on continuing the Dragonball franchise himself.
Good, based Toriyama
The biggest problem with Super is that it's fan pandering and pointless. there's no more story that needs to be told. All the characters have their storylines mostly done.
Like after dealing with Freeze and Super Saiyans, Vegeta's storyline is basically done. Yet he's still here.
The storylines are just "a new threat comes to earth. They fight it for 50 episodes. The end".
Dragon ball to survive long term, they need to just do new storylines with new characters. A new Goku who goes on adventures.
GT was them trying to do it while lamely trying to keep it the same character. It's very awkward.
Do some new kids on adventure for dragon balls. Something fucking new. They can exist in the same world and interact with the other characters too.
Toei tried that with GT, and you know how that ended. So with Super to attract the Toriyamafags they asked him to write a script, but in the end they do whatever they want with it.
>posting character designs
>implying character designs are the same as the overarching story and plot of a series
Also, I'm not sure about this, but weren't all of the movie Daizenshuu drawings drawn AFTER the movies were made?
Are you implying Goku in Super isn't a fucking moron, even Vegeta is calling his shit, even Vegeta is getting tired of his habit to fool around with the villain instead of kick the villain's ass?
It's better that Beerus pretended to be using his full power for five episodes, isn't it?
Buu saga Goku was the best Goku.
>Knew how to make a dirty joke.
>Tried to sell his best buddy's wife and his son's girlfriend.
>Called Supreme Kai's shit.
>Actually cared for his sons' training.
>Could be serious when the situation demanded.
No Goku is better than kid Goku. The only kid goku that is shit is GT. And GT doesn't count.
You must be kidding, Gohan isn't going to do anything other than being tortured or get angsty after someone dies, namely Piccolo, then he's going to train. Maybe after the Champa arc he's going to do something.
why they never showed a female pure blooded saiyan in the anime? afraid of showing girls getting hurt?
can someone post the tien epic reaciton face? the blue one smugshot thing, i need it
He already got perforated with blasts and Piccolo killed due to neglect, I would say he's probably motivated to redeem himself after that. Especially after Goku looking down on him and Vegeta admitting he's got the most potential out of all of them.