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Is he right?

Let's discuss the current state of the anime industry.
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>>121446843
it was a mistake
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out of respect for the man, let's not talk about his greatest shame
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>>121446843
/a/ was a mistake.
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>>121446859
make mistakes into miracles
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academy award winner, so he is automatically right
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>>121446843
What are you referring to? Links?
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*VROOOM*
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>>121446905
What. The. Heck.
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>>121446843
>People shouldn't make cartoons about other countries
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>>121446905
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>>121446960
how new are you
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B
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>>121446905
This is worse than when I read the eclipse on LSD
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>>121446843
>Let's discuss the current state of the anime industry.
>30% moe and idol
>15% ecchi harem
>15% fujoshi bait
>10% mecha
>20% western casual shit
>10% other
>1 or 2 anime each year to keep hipster hope
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1. The industry is shit.
2. The middle managers are ruining everything. Ghibli mismanaged hundreds of millions of dollars.
3. Digital animation, while cheaper and producing a better average quality than any time before, looks like ass.
4. Increasing amounts of awful 3DCG.
5. Japan only knows how to pander to Otaku/fujoshis, or Oji-sans. They have completely lost touch with the average Japanese person.
6. Outsourcing is killing the industry.
7. Japan's technophobia is killing the internet. Smaller studios could make bank streaming shows they've made.
8. Anime film is fucking dead. One or two movies a year will try to imitate Miyazaki, but they'll usually be just that, pale imitations.
9. Anime OVAs are fucking dead
10. All the creative work in anime is being done in 12 or 13 episode series or in shorts that no one will see outside of art festivals.
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>>121446895
nah, let's berate this anti-human tree hugger
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The biggest mistake made in the industry was putting a landscaper in charge of a major animation studio because his daddy retired.
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>>121447086
so what are you going to do about it? complain on the internet and ride the ship as it sinks?
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>>121447260
im going to fuck your mom
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>Kill all otaku and send the fujoshi to interracial breeding grounds
-Hayao Miyazaki
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>>121447086
Fix 5 6 and 7 and half of the shit series will die, normalfags will breed like ebola and anime will have a golden age
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He just has shit taste.
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>>121447086

My main complaint about anime is that it just feels rushed and poorly made as of late, but that really applies to western cartoons and movies too. No one seems to come up with a new idea, and all we get is something along the lines of a dense MC in a highschool setting who goes on a journey or other development to eventually "fulfill" himself. Similarly, every western movie is explosions, loud sub-woofer noises, and muscular men in their 30s with shaved heads.

TL;DR: some new ideas or innovation would be nice.
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>I hate Anime. It is the worst thing to have ever been created throughout the entire history of the earth. I have -100 respect points (out of 10) for every person who sees anime as anything above garbage. If anime was a person I would stab it with an ice pick repeatedly until he/she died, decomposed, and faded out of existence. The very moment anime was thought of, I never stopped cursing. I will continue to curse until every person on earth has forgotten of its existence. I will burn all paper copies of manga. Break every anime video game ever made. Burn/Melt every figure or toy that has anything to do with anime. Delete every anime image. Erase all the anime text. Kill every anime fan.
>I will not stop. Anime needs to be and will be eradicated, and once it is, then I will initiate the final step. I will kill myself so that zero people know of anime's existence. I will go to heaven and God will smile. Happiness will rain down upon the world, and earth will be thrown into an ever lasting state of peace and harmony.
>Anime will burn. The world will be saved. I will be its hero.
>tl;dr Anime was a mistake

- Hayao Miyazaki
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>>121446843
He is just an old and bitter man.
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>>121446843
He was a mistake
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>>121447086
>Smaller studios could make bank streaming shows they've made.
Smaller studios can't afford to make shows on their own unless they're shorts anyways. They wouldn't make any money even if the shows were streamed, the people who actually pay for them to get made would.

Anime just largely isn't profitable in and of itself, and almost no self-styled "creative" types have the funds or clout to make vanity shows just because they feel like it.

You can't make money in anime except by having the backing of a huge media conglomerate, selling toys, making all-ages stuff, getting the government to fund you because it's supposedly "artistic," or begging foreigners for money through crowdfunding.

People who lament the current state of the industry never seem to get that they can just not watch the crap they don't like, and they'll still have the same thing they always had; a tiny handful of worthwhile things to watch.

What they call "good" anime was always few and far between. The same rehashed Ghibli movie every couple years. OVAs that cost as much as two regular TV episodes do now and which got released at a rate of one episode every few months. The "Golden Age" of anime was whenever you started watching years worth of history without having to wait for something new.
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Your a mistake
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"Drawing Muhammad was a mistake" - Hayao Miyazaki
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>Let them eat cake.
-Hayao Miyazaki

The views that people ascribe to him (usually their own views) are so wildly out of touch with the reality of the anime industry that it's laughable to hear people support them.
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>>121447086
>>121447037
i like fujoshi stuff
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Moot, this is what your father smells like.

-Zach Braff, right before teabagging Moot after a game of Jack Keane 2: THE FIRE RISES
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>>121446843
Main problem is that while anime is finally getting popular in the west, the west does not support it and it's outrageous prices. The current industry is supported by paying upward of $100 for one fucking season of one show. Other shows make up for it by commercializing that's why idol shit keeps getting more popular because it's easy to market. Either something needs to be done about the pricing soon or it's going to get caught into a dead mans turn.
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>>121447678

His not wrong. Think about the all the otakus and how 90% of them dont contribute to the society. There are NEETs that anime keeps pandering to. If there was no anime a big population of japan would have been doing something better with their lives then attending to anime-con/expos and the manga/anime artists would have been doing better stuff. Manga/anime has no positive value for the human kind. Its just scribbles and drawing that people insist on calling art to make themselfs feel less ashamed.
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I do think anime is suffering.
I fucking love cute girls doing cute things, but how about cute girls doing detective work, trading, hunting or whatever, cute girls making poems.

Just keep up the variety.
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>>121451143
Otakus keep afloat an entire industry paying the wages of thousands of people working on it.
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>>121449541
>Main problem is that while anime is finally getting popular in the west
Just because you weren't born for the most of the 90s, doesn't mean shit anon. Anime was way more popular back then. Why don't you do some research before posting your trash opinion.
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>>121446843
>Not wanting to draw muhammed
Fuck him and his pathetic excuse of a philosophy. Both will die out anyway, beheaded by muslim scum or purged by freedom fighters.
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>>121451143
>If there was no anime a big population of japan would have been doing something better with their lives
Like what, video games?
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>>121447086
>8. Anime film is fucking dead. One or two movies a year will try to imitate Miyazaki, but they'll usually be just that, pale imitations.
>9. Anime OVAs are fucking dead
Yes, I am sure anime has to be blamed for the fact that the nips will never reach the economic levels of the 80s.
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It's easier and less expensive to make cartoons. If anything the Japanese were smart enough to make normal people buy into this sort of shit.
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>>121446843
>Is he right?
No anime wasn't a mistake, the mistake was letting business men push for profits over quality and selling to otaku's.
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>>121451340

An entire useless industry. Imagen what it would be like if that industry was technological research industry. Imagen flying cars instead of new and creative ways to create scribbles and animation.
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>>121446843
>is he right?

meaning:
>anime was a mistake
In some sense. I see the otakushit/fujoshit and overall mindless pandering to be mostly a mistake.

>otaku's fault
pretty much
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>>121447086
11. No indie anime due time and money cost to give new ideas.
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I suggest we make concentration camps for the otakus, with the goal of making them get good taste.

Instead of gas chambers, there'll be anons shit talking their waifu and punching the guy while screaming A SHIT.
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>waaah anime is aimed at the people willing to pay for it
>waaah why don't they make anime for the people who aren't willing to pay for it
Supply and demand niggers
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>>121451340
It's about as important as an industry that makes crumbs for feeding ducks.

Sure old people will buy it, but who the fuck cares?
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>>121446843
Miyazaki is an idiot I think. Yesterday he said Charlie Hebdo was wrong to publish pics of that sandnigger paedo prophet.
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>>121451727
>who the fuck cares?
The people in that industry.
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>>121447086
Stupid Japs, who eats rice by itself?
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>>121451736
Sauce?
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>>121451813
http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/interest/2015-02-17/miyazaki-shares-his-thoughts-on-the-charlie-hebdo-attacks-says-drawing-muhammad-was-a-mistake/.85109
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How is the current state of the anime industry any different from other forms of entertainment? Western shit also just panders to specific demographics with the same recycled shit from decades ago. I don0t know where all this whining comes from.
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>>121451736
You can clearly see that he has no idea about what Charlie Hebdo really is. He sounds like a dumb fuck from tumblr.
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>>121451568
>Buying into the myth of Japan being technologically superior
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>>121451918
>I don0t know where all this whining comes from.
Newfags who think older anime wasn't 90% pandering shit (it was).
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>>121451918
Humans still act humans. Anime today is so filled with okatu based love it's sickening.
>MC is a guy and sees a girl, Well she must be tsundere, and he must have the emotional understanding of a 3rd grader
>MC is a girl and see's a guy, He must be emotionally crippled, and the girl can try to console him but he must never care about her.

Western animation/shows still allow people to love, hate, care, and express conflicting emotions that normal anime just doesn't even bother to try with, because the majority of the audience they are selling to has never been in an actual relationship.

If you want to see stuff done right watch LoGH or stiens;gate
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>>121451878
>Instead of doing something like that, you should make more caricatures of you own country's politicians.
'to some degree he's right. It would have been much better if someone from an arab culture (other than jews) drew Muhammad and sent that political message..
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>>121452080
10/10, you hit it out the park with >steins;gate at the end
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>>121452080
There are multiple shows with good emotional acting and well written characters, stop watching the haremshit you moron.
>Steins;gate
>well done
Back to gaia with you.
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Production committee model has basically turned it into a cyclical affair of taking low risks, relying on previously established popular material and people and an inflated sense of self importance on the part of the producers who now have more say in everything than the creators and writers of shows who are now mainly there as public faces and to answer questions and deal out information while the producers slowly stroke it to themselves roughly describes how I see the core industry at this point. Also pretty much everything is now run by the interests of Bandai Namco, Aniplex, Kadokawa Shoten, and the TV networks though even then most of the popular shit is now just streamed on Bandai Satellite 11 (they own their own fucking TV channel too for Christ's sake) so the TV networks are slowly getting cut out of the equation as well or at least being vastly reduced in relevancy for non daytime stuff.
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Here's my take on anime:

There's always something worth watching in the current season.

And there is so much old stuff to watch that you can always have something to watch.

Problem is that the industry is dead and animators get payed like shit but whatever I predict I'd still have anime for the next 50 years so I'm good.
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>>121452134
Stiens gates characters were well done, the plot may have been convoluted but the characters felt extremely well done and down to earth.
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Is Anno really going to be the next Miyazaki? I just don't see it.
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>>121452153
>Problem is that the industry is dead
It's always been dead.

>>121452170
9/10 troll
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>>121452094
You do know that they would get killed, right? France has freedom of speech while a lot of arab countries don't.
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>>121446843
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>>121452080
> stiens;gate
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>>121452196
More dead than it was.

But yea that was my point it's always been dead and yet there's still a bunch of nice stuff to watch. So I'm not worried about it ending in my lifetime. Maybe I'll have kids some day and they'll like anime. Then it'll be their problem if anime actually ends.
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>>121452153
>Problem is that the industry is dead and animators get payed
this is actually a pretty big problem, at least in my eyes.
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>Only relevant shit the nips have done aside from the walkman
>Mistake
What needs to go wrong with your life to end up like Miyazaki?
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>>121452196
>>121452217
What's bad about steins;gate? The characters were very well done.

Or is this just "too popular for /a/"
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>>121452153
Creativity is practically gone in the mainstream, the people that made the anime industry regret doing so, and the fact that otakus are useless sacks of shit make the anime industry suck ass.
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>>121452080
>Western animation/shows still allow people to love, hate, care, and express conflicting emotions that normal anime just doesn't even bother to try with, because the majority of the audience they are selling to has never been in an actual relationship.
Please idiot. Western art has been dead since Proust and that's being soft. If you need to relate to art, you are doing it wrong. Art is supposed to be sublime. Nothing in the West(anime doesn't either) gives that. Enjoy your mass culture.
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>>121452443
>The characters were very well done.
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He's a cranky old cunt and Anno is a hack.
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>>121452519
I'm really not trolling, I thought the character were very well done. I really cared for a lot of them and wanted to see them all succeed.


It wasn't breaking bad, call saul, Law and Order, or the like but still very memorable and interesting.
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>>121452506
>the people that made the anime industry regret doing so
That's like everything in existence. When it gets too meta and has enough material for a meta discourse it's already dumbed-down and loses it's elitist nature.
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>>121452506
>otakus
>>>/gaia/
>>>/ann/
>>>/mal
>>>/anywherebuthere/
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>>121452581
>breaking bad
>good characters
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>>121452581
Epic shitposting mate.
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>>121452206
Yes I know.
All I'm saying is that maybe it would have been more meaningfull if one of their own did it.
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>>121452638
>>121452660
This is exactly what Miyazaki is talking about....
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>Japan
>anime
>Miyazaki
Is this the 90's? Japanese anime is done for.
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>>121452726
No, it's really not.

>...
you're in the wrong place bud.
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>>121452508
I'd at the very least need to push that to French New Wave and New Hollywood.
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Of course he is.
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>>121446843
>current state of the anime industry.

Too little pandering at the moment.
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