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Is Oyasumi Punpun the greatest manga ever written?
I haven't read too much manga but this one just blows every single other one I've read out of the water.
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>>121442071
No, the way it tells its story is shit.
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/jp/ was right that this manga will attract even the berserk fanbase. fuck this gay earth
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>>121442071
>I haven't read too much manga
It's kind of interesting how the less people know, the more they are convinced to know everything important.
Read a few hundred more manga titles. Then let's talk.
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I don't understand why /a/ hates punpun. Art is top tier at least, and I liked the atmosphere it created. Overall it was very enjoyable. Is this some new epik meme or hate for popular things?
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>>121442071

It's a good manga but not the greatest, it's very flawed in a lot of areas but still a decent read.

>>121442244

I agree, Berserk itself is a good manga but the fanbase can be very petty a lot of times, even worse than Naruto fans.
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>>121442071
>Is The Avengers the greatest movie ever made?
>I haven't watched too many movies but this one just blows every single other one I've watched out of the water.

this is you OP.
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>>121442071
It's a good manga, but there's better out there.
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>I haven't read too much manga
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>>121442312
/a/ hates on everything. Nobody ever calls a manga anything more positive than >>121442325
>still a decent read
because it would automatically start a My taste > Your taste argument, and the thread would be filled with cynical pseudo-elitists edgelords in 5 seconds. Then they will proceed to argue against newfags and call it a win.
This is also the reason so many people post "Lelelel I was only reading it ironically guize" or "It's so terrible it's fun, I know it's shit but I keep watching" instead of just accepting they find something good and amusing.
And when it comes to seinen and all that stuff, immediately,
>BAD WRITING
or its other equivalents kick in. No one on /a/ will ever contradict someone who calls out bad writing, even when the person has no proof whatsoever. Been here for years and I saw few people calling out those anons on their bullshit.
Just pretend you don't like it that much and carry on with the discussion, otherwise you might provoke the wrath of autists who will shit up the thread.
The fact that the fanbases that are the most enthusiastic about the manga they're talking about are filled with fujos and retards doesn't help either.
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>>121442071
No.
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>>121442071
>Hurr muh obscure indie manguh
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>>121442325
I believe solanin is better,
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>>121442312
>Art is top tier at least
The art is intentionally shit and fucking disgusting sometimes.
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>>121442707
Spot on.
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>>121442071
>Is Oyasumi Punpun the greatest manga ever written?
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Not even the best inio
which is Nijigahara Holograph btw
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>>121442071
Not even close
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>>121443097
Stupid second part fucked it.
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>Babby's first seinen
>greatest manga ever written
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no
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>>121443277

>Babies first seinen.

What is Berserk?
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>>121442812
What are you on? It's technically very impressive, if it's well drawn intentional disgust I see no problem
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>>121442071
The beginning was great, but then towards the end it started forcing symbolism down your throat and didn't even have a very concluded-feeling ending.
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>>121443097
I liked both the first two third of punpun and most embarrasing man kurosawa
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>>121443509
"The seinen people claimed they've already been reading when someone mentions seinen/older manga regardless of whether they actually know anything about it."
Shorten that as you like.
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>>121443528
>80% of art is drawn over photographs
>impressive
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>>121442707
Lurk more, read archives. There are plenty of posts were manga is praised and called masterpiece.
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>>121442071
No, the second punpun grows it becomes shit
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>>121442423
not that guy but comparing Punpun to capeshit is a bit of a stretch.

It's certainly not the greatest manga ever but it's probably in the top 10% considering how much abyssmal shit is out there
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>>121443808
In terms of just writing? Not even in the top 10%. Top 60% if it's lucky.

Overall as a manga? I can see why someone would put it in their top 25% (if they read lots of manga) because of how they relate to the MC and how experimental the manga is.
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>>121442312
/a/ loved Pun Pun when it was being translated. The story time threads on here were filled with anons.
But like everything /a/ loves, it got a little too popular, and now /a/ hates it.
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>>121443880
>/a/ hates popular things meme

If that was true, why aren't there a lot of hate about Berserk?

The most controversial statement you'll see in Berserk threads are "Griffith did nothing wrong" and "Casca enjoyed it" which both are true statement by the way.
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>>121443854
nah man. maybe if you look at seinen only but once you introduce shounen and shojo to the calculation it looks pretty good.

It also had great ar- I mean photography. Innocent is better but punpun displayed a great level of skill aswell.
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Most ppl on /a/ who want to have a decent argument (not a fight) over a manga being good or not will just say something is decent or worth reading.
Punpun is no different, personally I loved the manga, it's easily on my top 3 all time manga's that I've read, but that's only because I can relate. I would go into detail but this isn't my personal blog.
So like other ppl replied, it's a decent manga, worth reading, but not for everyone, it's far from the greatest manga ever written but again, it's worth reading. The art is good aswell as the visual methaphors used by the author, you can tell the guy knows how to write shit.
But yeah it's probably on the top 5% shit you can read if you have the time.
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>>121443880
Not really, a part of /a really liked the manga, but also a big part considered shit from the beginning, and it's not like punpun it's popular or anything
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>>121444165
>it's easily on my top 3 all time manga

what are the other two, I'm genuinely curious.
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>>121444165
It's spelled "people".
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Not OP but what manga would I like if I enjoyed Oyasumi Punpun, Prison School and Aku No Hana. I tried Berserk and JoJo but they weren't really my thing.
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>>121443940
>why aren't there a lot of hate about Berserk?
>>121443509
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>>121444295
Boku no Pico
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>>121444298
That's not really a hate statement
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>>121444298
That's not hate and even if it was that's just one post.

Babby's first seinen is an accurate term. See >>121443653

Nothing there claiming Berserk is shit or not as good.
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>>121444295
Fuck off, this isn't a recommendation board
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It's in my 3x3 OP.
And while I admit it has it's problems, watching PunPun grow up was what kept me invested in the story.
I'd buy it if it were licensed.
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>>121444234
Vindland because I'm a sucker for Vikings.
And Kangoku Gakuen because I legit think it's funny.
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>>121444454
Confirmed shit taste
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>>121444295
Aku no Hana is shit.
>Bawww, i'm a pretentious teen who grows disillusioned by adulthood.
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>>121444393
people keep telling me devilman is good but I can't get over the bad art. I'm fine with tezuka stuff though so I'm confused.

I think Uzumaki was fine but I prefer Hellstar Remina - Ito really is much more of a comedian than a horror author.
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>>121444505
Yeah, like I said I only liked Punpun because I can relate.
But fuck you, Vinland is gold
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/a/ hates punpun now? What the hell happened while I was gone?
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>>121444518

I found Devilman alright maybe it's because I enjoy 70s manga art the most but if you look at it as a parody rather than taking it seriously you'll like it a lot more.

>>121444454

If you like vikings give Njal Saga a read.
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>>121444518
Devilman's art really gets good after the first few volumes or so. Try and stick it out.
And Ito's strength, for me anyways, lies in his short stories. So while Hellstar Remina benefited from being shorter and more to the point, the last volume of Uzumaki was what made it one of my favorites.
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>>121444577
We don't hate it, it just isn't the greatest thing ever.
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>>121442071
it didn't make me sad, it didn't make me cry, but after I finished it I began to feel extremely empty and the most suicidially depressed I've ever been for a while.

No other piece of media has ever made me felt that way, so there's that.
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>>121444577
This thread would be completely different if OP didn't call it "the greatest manga ever written" and then said that he hasn't "read too much manga".
Thread was doomed from the start.
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>>121444577
Not all of /a hates it, but let's be honest, the manga was good while punpun was a kid, after he grew up it became edgy shit
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>>121442071
It's up there, but you might consider reading more than just a few before announcing it as the best thing ever, don't you think?
The volume threads were really fun, but since then it made its way up to MAL's top 10 manga so it does indeed attract some low-level fags. And with them come even more retarded faggots who throw nonsensical insults at it because it became popular like >>121442809, despite it being far from obscure or underrated.
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>>121444642
>Punpun makes people feel sucidal and probably caused suicides
>Asano confirmed for Goethe of our time

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sorrows_of_Young_Werther
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>>121444565
I was talking about prison school, that shit shouldn't be on any top 3

Also
>I can relate
Edgy faggot confirmed
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>>121443765
I know there are thread like these from time to time, but it's always the same manga that are praised like that, and it doesn't happen very often.
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>>121444800
Prison highschool it's hillarious, only reason why it's on my top 3.
And not an edgelord but can relate to Punpun's family situation
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>>121444946
>Prison highschool it's hillarious
No, it's not
And relate to punpun on any way makes you an edgelord
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>>121444788
Huh, I've actually never read Goethe somehow. thanks, anon. I'll check him out now.

Also I feel like I misworded my post: Before reading Punpun I'd never even thought about suicide but after reading it I just really didn't want to exist and/or live anymore. I don't think the content of Punpun itself did that, but reading it made me take a look at my own life and made everything seem bleak and hopeless.
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>>121445065
>>Prison highschool it's hillarious
>No, it's not
>let me tell you whats funny and what's not
I'm not this anon, but from what I've seen here everyone pretty much agrees that KG is funny. Were you born a faggot or do you have to work at it ?
Anyway this seems to be an argument between an edgy teen and a newfag so I'll take my leave.
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I know /a/ would hate it regardless and would definitely never want it but if it had to be adapted for the west, I feel like it would make a really good show on HBO, AMC, or something like that.

>none of the shit in Punpun makes it being set in Japan absolutely necessary
>the kind of depressing drama audiences like /tv/ love
>all the content could remain intace: AKA rape and murder
>They could film it like Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Live action except for Punpun and his family who'd be flat-shaded, crudely drawn cartoons like the manga.
>It would become notorious and well-known because of it's subject matter and the cartoon gimmick

It would convert extremely well. If I worked at a production company I'd be pitching this shit immediately because I know it'd be extremely successful. The /a/ tears would be delicious when it'd become extremely popular on Reddit and with normies in general. It would become like the new fight club and edgy high school kids would worship it and think they're intelligent for watching it.
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>>121445285
>>none of the shit in Punpun makes it being set in Japan absolutely necessary
The mindset of some characters, especially during the batshit insane religious arc.
And I don't like the idea of them having voices/being impersonated by someone.
I guess it could work, but only as a midnight show. Not the kind of depressing stuff families watch.
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>>121444642
That's pretty pathetic.
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>>121445357
The US has plenty of cults, it could work
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>>121445481
They don't give off the same feeling as this one though. But yeah I guess it could work.
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>>121445357
It would be the next Breaking Bad or sorpranos.

I agree with you on the "mindset" thing. The way some of the characters act would seem weird to western audiences I guess.

>And I don't like the idea of them having voices/being impersonated by someone.

Who? Punpun's family? I think it'd be even funnier if they were played completely straight, like normal people unaware of the fact they look like cartoon birds.

The whole reason Punpun and his folks looked the way they did was because that's the way they were portrayed in his friend's picture book, right? If that's the case I feel like it'd be great to have the roll of the narrator played by a matronly old lady who read the lines like a narrator on children's show like Little Bear or somthing.

I can't think of an elegant way to make "god" work though. I feel like that was something that worked exclusively in a static 2D sense.

I feel like a western TV show would be a better fit than an anime at least. I just feel like it wouldn't be handled well as a japanimation.
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>>121445201
>from what I've seen here everyone pretty much agrees that KG is funny
>35 posters
>less than 10 affirmed it's funny
You don't even know how to fucking count do you?
If you can't deal with the fact that you have shit taste it's not my fault
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>>121445612
>>121445357

I don't want Americans ruining Punpun and it won't happen since Asano said he doesn't think they would understand the level of his work. It'd be best to make it a shaft anime, that's the only way I can imagine them capturing Punpun's wild exaggerations perfectly. Something like 40 or 50 episodes would do.
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>>121445612
>Adapting Punpun
>Western adaptation would be good
Is this your first week on earth?
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>>121445285
Are you retarded?
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>>121445612
I think "god" would be rather simple, just take a naked creepy looking middle age dude and make him look at Punpun from a corner in his room while all the lights are off, it could work, actually I think it would be creepier, "god" could work
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>>121445679
>shaft anime,
Why, does anyone in punpun has broken neck syndrome?
Besides shaft can't draw backgrounds, they forgot how to do that
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Punpun kind of jumped the shark towards the end and the finale itself was kind of lackluster. I get what Asano said about it and Punpun's suffering and continuing to live on but after so much buildup and progression it was just disappointing to see it end the way it did. It was incredibly fun to read with /a/ though.

But on the topic of good manga I just re-read this and it was even better the second time around.
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I haven't read Punpun yet, and I found out there's an official German translation for this available to buy.
Does anyone know if it's good?
Or should I go with English scanlations?
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>>121445778
Broken neck syndrome Punpun would be funny, shit adaptation, but funny to watch and see /a/ lose their shit
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>>121445749
This or just making him animated like Punpun too.
>>121445615
I wasn't only talking about this thread you idiot. This is the general opinion I got from people who read it on /a/.
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>>121442244
My two favorites manga are Punpun and Berserk
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>>121445925
It's good until punpun grows and Asano gets tired of it which is the first 10% of the story
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>>121445970
Edgy teenager over here, don't waste your time anon
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>>121445913
>tfw just realizing it's been an eternity since I've walked without looking at the ground
It's the little things that get to you while reading this.
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>>121445679
Because of Punpun's realistic shading, backgrounds, and art I just don't feel like it would translate well into an anime. I don't feel any studio could do it well.

>>121445691
It's not something complex or weird like Evangelion or Akira that's distincly jsapanese and would get bastardized by the west. I think punpun tells a simple story with a slight gimmick and that a western team with their heart in the right place and proper artistic licence (like those who work for HBO and Netflix get) they could actually do it justice. I don't feel like a japanese live action television production would be able to get it right either.

I think Asano would change his tune once he got a big, American check waved in his face.

>>121445749
I like where you're going with this. I think a static, big printout of some random middle aged dude's face on cardboard would work extremely well. You'd never see it move and it's expression would only ever change between cuts.
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>>121445970
People on /a don't think it's funny, /a enjoys fapping with it, there's a huge difference
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I read the first few chapters about half a year ago and dropped it for not knowing what the fuck was going on but I ended up picking it back up a few days ago and have been enjoying the cynical ride.
>>121445925
English scanlations are great.
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>>121445970
that doesn't even make sense considering the normal people are already extremely realistic by Manga standards and "God" is literally an image of a real person. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a cartoon.

>>121446077
What would the western Punpun's name be?

>Jeff Punpun
>Ryan PunPun
>Matt Punpun
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I don't get how mods don't delete this shit
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I couldn't get into it because of how melodramatic it is. Every time something tries too hard to be sad it causes the opposite reaction.
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>>121446180
Oh I was thinking about keeping the picture and animating it. That would be the best solution, and this usually looks good.
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>>121446018
>>121446151
So I should rather go for the scanlations?
That'd be a shame, I like to buy manga whenever I can for serialisations that don't sound too out of place when phrased the way official translations tend to be be in.
Maybe I'll just buy the first 1~2 volumes for now instead of the first ~7 if "the first 10%" are supposed to be good.
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>>121446061
holy shit how omega can you be
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>>121446061
All those little things during the reveals about Nakoshi and Ito's pasts started getting to me.
>Have you ever worn makeup before?
>I did, but it wasn't the kind for women. Why?
>Oh, that just makes me wonder how ugly you really were.

It was just really sad once you could start putting all the pieces together about the main characters.
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>feelsfaggotry = good writing
This is why literature is shit these days.
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>>121446486

Mostly why all films produced now are awful, you know it's going to be shit if it needs "feels", to make it seem good along with some terrible romance between a beta nerd and an oh, so quirky girl with heavily over the top indie music playing as they do fun things.
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>>121445612
>It would be the next Breaking Bad or sorpranos.
So, overrated shit liked only by a bunch of retatds who purposefully ignore every single flaw so they could feel they are smart for liking those things?
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>>121444647
this. fuck you OP
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>talking like if western adaptations are good
Go back to fucking reddit, why mods delete good posts and let this shit be?
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>>121446622
Isn't that what punpun fans already are?
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>>121446762
Not to degree of BrBafags or Sopranofags. At least from what I've seen.
Even fans of mediocre at best shows like Hannibal or Fringe are not that annoying.
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>>121446920
>Fringe being better than Sopranos
I mean holy shit, what
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>>121448542
I said Fringe fans are better than the fans of Sopranos. All of the series I've named are mediocre overrated shit.
>sopranosfags in charge of reading comprehension
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>implying there's a manga better than YKK
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>>121448939
>you again
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>>121448939
This manga is the most beautiful thing I have ever read
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>>121446486
What's your favorite book then, big boy?
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>>121448939
>Localization never
>more episodes never

I would kill for some of Ashinano's stuff to get localized and get comfy adaptions.
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>>121442071
I want reddit to leave
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>>121443808
>>121443986

Just saw this on ebay. To make my point.
Just look at all this shit with punpun in the middle. It's solid on itself but great when you take the entirety of manga into consideration.
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>>121446486
Evoking feelings in reader is a shit thing, right?
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>>121448939
> implying it only applies to manga
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Kinda related, but Isano made an animated commercial for some cell phone company

http://youtu.be/Gafbp8QSk_A?t=1m20s

Maybe we can have an Oyasumi Punpun anime that looks like this?
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>>121449120
>still hasn't read it

Come on. It's great.

>>121449414
Yeah, the best I could find with torrents had some shitty font-choice. It might even be comic sans.

>>121449902
OVAs are great. There's only 3 of them though, if Nips ever decide to do a full-season. It'll probably be the one of the only BD sets that I buy. Maybe get the studio that did Mushishi to do a full season.
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>>121449943
Looks amazing but what studio could pull it off? The budget would be pretty big too.
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>>121449943
>willy-wonka ripoff chocolate
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>>121450197
oh god the scans are horrible
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Punpun IS the greatest manga ever written.
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>>121449943
>ads for singles
is this a japan-only thing?
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>>121444393

>All that exquisite taste
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>>121444393
>mechashit
You were doing do well.
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>>121451057
No, look on baka BT
70% are HD scans
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>>121445913
Reading this now because of your post, and it's fucking amazing.

Thanks anon.
Your opinion about punpun is shit though
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>>121442071
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>>121454203
I enjoyed it until the sperm-eating part and after that it has been hard to continue
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>>121445913
Is about being a normalfag.
While Kasuga (Aku no hana) embraces the normalfag life with happiness (accepting his waifu loves literature and art more than him, and letting go Nakamura), Punpun is the other side, he accepts the normalfag life because he realizes life doesn't have any meaning to him.
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>>121454485
I'll eat your sperm
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>>121454900
I don't see how that helps me in any way, anon.
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>>121442312
Inevitable backlash due to fanbase becoming larger and more cancerous. If it was not that popular those who hate it can just ignore it.

It's no longer a manga about which we're likely to have productive discussion again though.
And I don't agree with anyone anyways.
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>>121444515
Did you even read it? If you did, you completely missed the point
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>>121449549
Yes, if you compare it to a weeb girl's collection of official translations.

Also,
>searching for translated volumes on ebay
Fuck off.
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Punpun's boring as shit.

If you want genuine quality within the writing, read 7 Seeds.
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