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First chapter of Fukkatsu no F manga adaptation leaking
First chapter confirmed by Redon to be 31 pages
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>>121438943
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>>121438943

>Mai

Oh yeah

Also, why does Gohan's design look so shit?, everyone else looks alright
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>>121439308
Because Gohan a shit.
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>>121438943
..why is anyone scared that Frieza is back? Piccolo could beat him by farting on his face
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>>121439454
Because he got a massive powerup
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>>121439308
Because Toriyama has to shit on Gohan in everything he does.

My question is why the heck is Krillin a cop?
Even if he wants to make money because 18 is all about the zenny there's so many ways he could make more money much easier with his strength than ending up as traffic patrol.
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>>121439510
Shouldn't they still be rich from that tournament? Maybe he just became a cop because he likes protecting the peace. It's not like any criminal could do jack shit to him.
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>>121439509
But they shouldn't know already.
Forget that,just realized in that page they are probably surprised that the sky turned black,meaning that someone summoned shenron.
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>>121438893

Wait, was he still fucking alive at that point or is someone else's thoughts?
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>>121439616
Looks like he was still alive
>muh supreme alien race
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>>121438893
The insides of his body look like a fucking machine

No wonder he got revived. He's a fucking robot.
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>>121439661
>The insides of his body look like a fucking machine
The last time freezer showed up he was half-cyborg already.

I guess that's only the machine parts.
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So going by released material I guess the entire Namek crew get a fight atleast
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Frieza is granted immortality. He will be gifted a body each time he dies And be allowed to come back.

Cap this
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>>121439686
They really want the nostalgia yen huh, trying to make freiza a threat again after he went out like a total bitch the last time he came back.
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>>121439782
>literally 5 seconds of screen time
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>>121439782
I'm still wondering how they're going to make Freezer powerful enough to even be worth anyone's time. What kind of bullshit are they going to pull this time?
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>>Freiza comes back
>>Has trained to the point he is able to beat Goku, Vegeta, Beerus & Whis
>>The only one who can stop him is Tarble, who has unlocked his full potential and reached Super Saiyan God 2

Skreentap dis
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>>121438943
WHY FUCK IS MAI AND THE OTHERS ARE KIDS AGAIN
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Starts with flashbacks to Freeza getting beaten by Goku and Trunks

With Freeza down, his army is in shambles. So to reorganize, Sorbet (former staff officer of the third stellar region) takes control of the army for the time being. He heads for Earth together with Tagoma, a warrior on par with the likes of Zarbon and Dodoria.

They coerce the Dragon Balls from Pilaf and co., summon Shenlong, and wish to revive Freeza.

Freeza: “I won’t be satisfied until I’ve killed the two Super Saiyans who did this to me.”

Tagoma says something he shouldn’t, and gets killed for it.

Sorbet: “Son Goku has become strong enough to defeat Majin Buu.”

Freeza: “That’s more than I imagined. But I’m a prodigy, so if I bring out all of my dormant power through training, I’ll crush even the Saiyans in the blink of an eye.”

The evilest revenge begins. End chapter one.
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>>121439917
They never changed back to adults, anon
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DB's greatest flaw has always been the fact that death was such a non issue.

And this return of Frieza isn't helping.

But then again... nobody is watching DB for its narrative qualities, right?
It's just powerlevel wankery at this point.
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>>121439926
Training? Seriously?
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>>121439926
>a warrior on par with the likes of Zarbon and Dodoria
That's nothing to be proud of
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>>121439936
It's fun, the fights are good and I like the characters, they're cool without relying on MUH TRAGIC PAST and flashbacks. It doesn't try to be more than what it is.
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>>121439960
His design is complete shit too, so boring.
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>>121439936
SShut up and just enjoy the fights, you faggot.
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>>121439926
>if I bring out all of my dormant power through training
Completely out of character. Dropped. Freeza training is like Cell being humble about being perfect.
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>>121439986
There's nothing creative or interesting about the fights. Its just powering up, filler punches, filler energy spam, filler punches, big energy blast and one guy has lost.
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>>121439997
Who would know Freeza better than Toriyama?
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>>121439845
>What kind of bullshit are they going to pull this time?
Everyone else is nerfed to hell.
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>>121440021
If Tory writes fat Buu liking healthy food,it isn't out of character too?
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>>121439986
>>MUH TRAGIC PAST
Vegeta was all about that and MUH SAIYAN PRIDE

>>121439992
Might as well tell people to go watch Naruto if thats all that matters.
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>>121439997
I don't really remember Perfect Cell rubbing it in people's faces, though. I remember him being very quiet about it, at least until Gohan SSJ2'd.
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>>121440018
The fight choregraphies are nice, it's fast and you can feel the strength of the fighters. In the manga, the anime is terrible.
Also, if you look at the fights before the Cell and Buu saga, they have a lot more things than what you said.
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>>121439997
Frieza training is fucking awesome, dude. He's going full Vegeta.

How does anyone not love this?
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>>121440065
Naruto's all about the homosexual fan-fiction, brother.
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>>121439926
How the fuck does Freezer even know about Majin Bu or how strong he is? Not even Babidi knew how strong Buu actually was.
And if frieza really had a "dormant strength",why the fuck he didn't train after he got beaten by Goku, he just built himself a robot body.
To think that this shit is canon.
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>>121440018
Toei pls
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>>121440078
Doesn't look like any parts large enough survived to end up on the ground,
that is what you are pointing out right?
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>>121440168
>canon

Don't start this shit.
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>>121440168
To be fair, Freezer built himself strong enough to destroy everyone on Earth at that point. There's literally no way he could have known Trunks would have appeared from the freaking future out of nowhere.
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>>121440099
Dragon ball was good, more focused on the fuax martial arts than ki spam and had more unusual techniques instead if just different coloured direct energy blasts.

The further it goes along the more generic and boring it gets.
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>>121440184
What site are you using to read DB/DBZ?
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>>121440168
He didn't build himself shit. He was scooped up by daddy in deep space and built into a cyborg while immediately flying toward earth to destroy it and torture everyone on it under the assumption that Goku was dead.

Obviously now that he's back and probably immortal, things are different
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>>121440222
But it didn't. DBZ was the one to introduce energy blast spam. How could someone that introduced it become generic?
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>>121440245
I don't use online readers.

http://pastebin.com/KcEVVPSm
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>>121440211
Not strong enough to beat Goku.
The whole "he never gave a fuck so he didn't train" could work, but not here. Freeza will probably become stronger than Buu in a matter of days, a ridiculous amount of time. Even if we say he knew he was the strongest in the universe and didn't have a reason to train, he feared Super Saiyans, enough to plot behind the scenes and exterminate the future threats. Why would he wait to be killed twice to train?
Now if he was picked up right after Trunks "killed" him and trained for 30 years, that'd make it a bit more ok but I don't think that'll happen
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>>121440168
Freezer has a galactic army that works for him.
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>>121439997
Well, to be fair, this is Freeza well after he gotten beaten by TWO super Saiyans, and is dedicating himself to REVENGE.

How else is he going to fight them? Some bullshit hell powerup?
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What if Beerus made Freeza utilize the Room of Time and Space / Hyperbolic Time Chamber?
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>>121440265
What manga reader do you use?
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>>121440289
And he was somehow more scared about a legendary sayan that he wasn't even sure existed than frickin Majin Bu?
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>>121440286
He got picked up but he was still half dead. His father thought that the only way to increase his power and save his life was by giving him machines for his new body.
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>>121440222
There are nice tactics and martial arts/technics until the Cell and Buu sagas. The Vegeta fight is one of the best.
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>>121440260
You are seriously trying to firing energy at people wasn't a thing before DBZ 'invented' it? Piss off man.
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>>121440336
www.bandisoft.com/honeyview/

I prefer to download the files as zips as I prefer local instead of online
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>>121440339
Beings like Buu are usually a legend and he has never seen any being like Buu while the Saiyans was infront of him.
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>>121440286
Freezer didn't die against Goku, he managed to survive just enough that he could be revived through machinery. Trunks is the one who actually killed him. Freezer has been in Hell (or HFIL lololo) since then.

But really, why do you say he wasn't stronger than Goku? He definitely was. Goku stayed on the planet that saved him and trained with them for a little while before returning to Earth. At this point, though, Freezer had thought that Goku blew up with Namek.
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>>121440289
How would that help him against Majin Buu, a creature that killed divine beings and destroyed more planets than Freiza ever did.

Retconning Beerus into Freiza and Vegetas backstory was so dumb.
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>>121440356
Spamming energy blast. Firing it like a laser has always been there but spamming it when fighting using kung fu moves isn't.
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>>121440376
Goku was as strong as Trunks when he came back to earth. Too lazy to post the pic.
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>>121440399
No, it means that he must have heard rumours about Buu from his subordinate.
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>>121440371
Website isn't loading for me right now, but thank you anon.
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>>121440376
Goku didn't job against Trunks so I assume he'd have been able to beat Freezer. Maybe mecha Freezer is stronger than Namek SSJ Goku.
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>>121440373
Except Freiza knew the God of Destruction personally, was his bitch. It seems like less of a baseless legend if his officers knew about it and could tell Freiza how badass Goku was just by mentioning the name.
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>>121440423
I guess he was, since he was able to predict and block Trunks' sword with his index finger. But wasn't that only because he trained before coming back to Earth? Freezer was just foolish about it. He didn't think Goku would ever even survive Namek let alone think he would have trained some more in the time it took Freezer to be rebuilt.
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>>121440371
>fellow Honeyviewer
Muh nigga
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>>121440472
Again he has never seen Buu. So, he could have done nothing about it.
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>>121440440
Goku's so retarded, he really thought this would somehow deal with Freiza's galactic army? Or that a petty tyrant like Freiza WOULDN'T try to get revenge against Earth somehow?

Why is Goku so much more retarded as an Adult than he was as a Kid?
Kid Goku punched through King Piccolo or Commander Black without hesitation.
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>>121440484
> didn't think Goku would ever even survive Namek
But himself said that he wanted to see his face when his planet is blew up by him
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>>121440484
Except thats bullshit

He knew Goku was returning to Earth

He wanted to slaughter his family and the earthlings after managing to arrive first so he could taunt Goku about it
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>>121439845
They're not, the entire movie would be Freeza trying hard and failing hard with each attempt before finally realizing that he's actually having a better life in hell than this.
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>>121440530
It's not about hesitation, he was just so above him that he couldn't be bothered killing him
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>making sense about anything regarding dragon ball Z
Literally everything about the "plot" or powerlevels is retarded. It's useless to try to make any sense out of it.
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>>121440530
He wanted to torture him by leaving him alive or some shit. But yeah he really didn't think about the consequences. Goku not killing Piccolo makes sense because he could always kick his ass the day he tried to do something bad. Sparring Veget and Freezer was irresponsible.
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Who's that short hair in between Piccolo and Krillin?
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>>121440606
Gohan. Note that everyone here was relevant on Namek.
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>>121440583
Which is why he's retarded, he thinks just because he was stronger that means Freiza couldn't get back at innocent people... like the billions he had slaughtered in the past. All Goku seems to care about is personal fights.
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>>121440559
It's been a while. That does sound right, though. My mistake. But then Freezer still didn't think Goku would train enough during the time it took him to be rebuilt. Again, he was just being cocky about it all.
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>>121440630
Is this legit? Oh my god.
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>>121440657
Yes it is and I fucking love it.
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I'm happy that Frieza is training.

Showing up and going "SINCE WHEN WERE YOU UNDER THE IMPRESSION MY FINAL FORM WAS MY FINAL FORM?" would be really aggravating.

How he trains is important though. Doing some shadow boxing and calling it a day would be a bad way of going about it. I want to see him on some horrid planet training under a fuckload of gravity in really poor conditions.
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>>121440630
Those toys don't look very Toriyama-ish to me
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>>121440645
There's nothing wrong with mecha Freezer, keep in mind that he wanted to 2 vs 1 Goku. He probably would have destroyed the planet too.
Freezer not training at all when he could've became stronger than Buu, however...
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>>121440657
Hell was always not a bad place in the DBZ-verse
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>>121440677
The manga adaptation was made by Toyotaro so you can sometimes see the difference.
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>>121440685
>>121440657
But you don't keep your body in hell. Your soul and memories are cleaned and you get a new life.
Guess it was retconed
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>>121440723
Says who. Enma gets to decide the punishment and he could have given Freeza a body and maybe like Goku keeps his body. But even with this toriyama maybe forgot.
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>>121440179
Freeza's mechanical body being shown is probably just him "remembering" what happened.
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>>121440720
Ah ok
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>>121440078
it could be that
>>121438893
is in hell
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>>121440757
He just forgets. I'm ok with this though, since Buu saga there's no reason to take Dragon Ball's story seriously. Only enjoying the ride.
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>>121440634
>All Goku seems to care about is personal fights.
Bingo! Was this ever in question? Goku's ALWAYS been that way. He's not Superman.
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>>121438943
Gohan needs glasses? I thought he was super Aryan.
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>>121440634
>All Goku seems to care about is personal fights.

Toriyama Goku we all know and love, yes.
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>>121440864
Except the whole reason he transformed into a super saiyan was because his friend was killed and he gave a speech about being the vengeance of the murdered innocents given form.

And he's still portrayed as the "messiah" of the series, a bastion of morality with an impossible "pure good heart".

Goku is a terrible protagonist and became pretty boring as a fighter to boot.
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Everytime I see post-Majin Buu Gohan turning Super Saiyan, I fucking die inside a little.
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>>121440930
Same,
its like getting rid of all the saiyans tails to the point of forgetting them completely when trunks/goten rolled around or getting rid of all the beast people that were also earthlings.
Its just making the whole setting more bland and samey.
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>>121440908
>he gave a speech about being the vengeance of the murdered innocents given form.

Thats just shit the westerners put in the dub.
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>>121440530
1) Goku wasn't concerned about Freeza's army because he hardly knows anything about them, it's not really his job to do it. He's never been interested in being in control of anything other than a fight. Goku could probably clean up crime pretty well, but it's not his job to do it.
2) He was under the impression that Freeza would be too ashamed (read; scared) to try and fuck with him anymore.
3) He also says to Freeza that he shouldn't cause trouble anymore. If anyone heard about the warrior that trounced Freeza, they try to go call him.
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>>121440975
They probably cut their tails because it's a weak point.
Or maybe unlocking Super Saiyan triggers a reaction in the body that prevents the tail from growing again.
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>>121440723
That's also what I remembered, but thinking about it, didn't Emma said Dabura loved "hell" so he sent him to "heaven" ? Which implies it exists. Doesn't means it's anything like the one in the Anime filler. This shit was so retarded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiXxNbGGI4c
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>>121440834
More like since cell, considering it was basically villain roulette before everyone just LET CELL WIN like five fucking times in a row.
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>>121440630
Hell (地獄).
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>>121440930
Whys that?
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>>121440875
He's half-Human, so I guess that means he can still have Human disadvantages. Chi-chi kept him reading books for most of his childhood, so he probably developed near-sightedly. We all know people in the DBZ world mostly use Ki to sense things during a fight anyway.

>>121440908
Well obviously Goku is going to get pissed off when his friend dies. He's not a cold-blooded asshole.

Goku being dumb about his enemies is what makes his character so amazing. He's satisfied just being able to beat strong people in a fight, he doesn't want to kill them. In fact, he wants them to live so they can get stronger and thus give Goku more of a fight later on. If he cared about killing people who threatened his world, he never would have given Freezer a bit of his power to live, and he never would have given Cell a Senzu Bean. It was like, "this amazingly powerful bad guy is going to destroy Earth, but Goku gave him a Senzu Bean? Is he crazy?!," how is that boring?
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Speaking of Goku's status as the MC its pretty boring that Goku keeps getting handed new forms like he was Ichigo. Now SSJ3 was one thing, but even then it wasn't the same as it being revealed only saiyans were capable of becoming literal GODS by having a bunch of other saiyans circlejerk them to divinity including a fetus in the womb. If anything the God thing could have been used as a grand leveler to deal with the cancerous power level wank, bring everyone who's worthy to a new baseline so they can all get some proper fights in again not just the saiyans.
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>>121440908
He doesn't say that at all.
Stop quoting the shitty dub script.
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>>121441095
After the power-up he had in the Buu saga, he doesn't need SSJ to use all his power (which makes him stronger than a SSJ3).
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>>121441102
Not any Saiyans but good hearted Saiyans which was hard to find.
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>>121441060
Nah, thats less retarded because Pikkon was actually a cool fighter. Had sweet special moves.
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>>121441067
> Cell says he will torture the hell guy, then he directly tries to kill him
> Freezer's eyelashes
> Fucking Freezer being impressed that Goku beated the Ginyu forces and think that means he became much much stronger
> Pikkon rekt improved Cell who is SSJ2 tier even tough he got beaten by a SSJ1 Goku

What the hell were they even thinking when they wrote this shit.
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>>121439926
>villain goes on a training arc
Neato. I would love some bullshit cop out like Freeza has his own time chamber.
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>>121441033
Its only a weak point before you train it. Goku, Vegeta and Nappa were all unaffected by grabbing their tails.
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They should bring back Raditz and Nappa, too, and finally make them Super Saiyajin. Settle once and for all what happens to Nappa's bald head when he transforms.
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>>121441251
Pfft might as well, make them all super saiyan gods.

Infact just get rid of everyone who isn't a saiyan,

Keep Gohan around to be the new mook that gets slapped around to show how big a deal the new enemy is.
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>>121441293
>Keep Gohan around to be the new mook that gets slapped around to show how big a deal the new enemy is.
Hilariously, that will always be Vegeta.
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>>121441099
Then why did he care about killing enemies as a kid, including an enemy that killed krillin, yet turned into such a halfassed idiot as an adult.
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>>121441427
When did he ever care about killing anyone as a kid, exactly?
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>>121441251
Can you imagine SS3 Nappa?
Hell, even SS3 Raditz? I bet his hair would be like three times his body lenght!
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I just now noticed that Freeza has his mechanical body in Hell. Maybe the panel showing him in pieces takes place in Hell? Maybe part of his punishment is reliving his death over and over again?
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>>121441485
Tambourine?
He later flat out MURDERS Drum effortlessly with a single kick to the head.
And it was mentioned before he snuffed the Red Ribbon guy in the robot suit and King Piccolo in battle.
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>>121441251

Since we recently had all that stuff about Bardock and Gine, plus now mentioning hell for the new movie, it'd be nice for a family reunion where Raditz and Goku's parents are chilling in hell.
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>>121441485
Could be explained by "he began to understand the importance of life", but that's still retarded. Reread Dragon Ball, he kills ton of people, like the black vice president of the red ribbon army.
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>>121438943

A Pan raised by Piccolo would be something to look forward to.
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>>121441557

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yROQia-s4eQ&hd=1
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>>121441625
You missed out the part where the kid nukes him as he tried to flee
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>>121441060
Why is Goku's hair and aura all super saiyan-y but his hair is still black? Were they too lazy to color it?
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>>121441681

It was hard enough finding just that part in its original language.
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>>121441724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1R2K76heg
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>>121441557
>Tambourine
You got me on that one. He did basically disintegrate him.
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Maybe goku's brain damage got worse as he got older or he just turned into a selfish moralfag after training with Kami.
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>>121440630
10/10

This is incredible.
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>>121441835

He probably realized that the amount of people with a powerlevel worth of a fight decreased to the single digits really fucking fast and was careful about snuffing them out too quickly.
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>>121441887
I like this explanation. I'm going to go with it.
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>>121441887
That isn't the kind of man who should be gettin free powerups out of plot convenience.

It sucks how Goghan kept getting jobbed and made into a retard so Goku could be the one to save the day.
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>>121438967
Damn, that page looks great
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Did Battle of Gods get a manga like Ro"F" is getting?
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>>121438943
>Sense Shenlong being summoned
>Everyone flies to scene within 30 seconds.
>Sees Frieza revived from first wish
>Beat the shit out of him for the third time
>Use 2nd wish to revive him again
>Beat the shit out of him for the fourth time
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>>121441986

Gohan has always been a retard. If he was raised and trained like Goku wanted, we'd have shorter story arcs.
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>>121440339
Wasnt the final battle with Buu in the other realm? (where everyone who is dead can see Buu's power? Including Freeza?)
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Gohan look like Shinichi from Parasyte (in the anime)
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>>121442182
The villain's watching the buu fight was anime filler, just like the afterlife fighters like Olibu watching.

Evil people were stated to lose their bodies upon death in the Buu saga, Vegeta asked Piccolo if he would see Goku when he sacrificed himself against Fat buu
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>>121438919
Well he lasted long didn't he?
For a guy that's on the poster.
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>>121441986
But the Cell Saga was all about Gohan. Unless you mean after that. In which case, yeah, he kind of became a scholar rather than a fighter.
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>>121442249
Goku still got made into the one taking exploding Cell to the afterlife and then pulling out the father-son kamehameha assist to finish super cell even then. Buu saga gohan was made into a dumbass who couldn't even catch an earring despite his superspeed.
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>>121442329
To this day i'm still baffled
>ok so we have three wishes and there's Kid Buu to beat
>let's revive everyone being killed by any villain since the tournament (so even the ones killed by Vegeta) to gather the energy nessary to beat him
>the earthlings will listen to a random guy sucking their energies out
>um,that's a quite complicated wish,may take a while
>how about something simpler,like BRINGING FUCKING GOHAN THERE
>nope
>vegetamastertactictian.jpg
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>>121442329
>Buu saga gohan was made into a dumbass who couldn't even catch an earring despite his superspeed
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>>121442484
They knew Gohan would just do something retarded and get absorbed
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>>121440590
No, it wasn't because the reason he spared Freeza and Vegeta is the same reason he spared Piccolo. The minute they tried to do something bad, he'd kick their ass.

Moron.
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>>121442115
This would be fucking great.
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>>121438943
Fuck, at this point Piccolo might as well wish for a penis so he can fuck Chichi and fully take Goku's spot in his family.
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>>121442702
This. Never again are they letting him handle things after Cell.
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>>121442702
>>121442633
Its not really funny how all the characters that weren't goku got shit on as time passed, heck most of them are more interesting in one way or another than him but got treated even worse than sidecharacters in Naruto or Bleach.
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>>121441060
Dammit, that filler arc was such horseshit. Having Pikkon own Cell in a matter of seconds when it took everything Goku and Gohan had to beat him, only for Goku to beat Pikkon in the tournament in the end? Horseshit.
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>>121443447
>Bleach.

I can't think of a single Dragonball character that's got shittied on more than Orihime and Chad, from Bleach.

Yamcha, Puar, Oolong, Kuririn, Yajirobe, Tenshinhan and Chaiotsu, at their worst, still proved to be helped during the story arcs they were introduced in.

Kubo made a point to put aside whole story arcs for Chad and Orihime JUST to play up how useless they are.

I can't really take Naruto to task, by comparison, since the character got to do something, even they were proven worthless, in the long run.

Rock Lee, Shikamaru, Chouji, Neji, Ino, Tenten, Guy, etc. all got to fight somewhere in the show, instead of just showing up to get one-shotted or killed off; that's about even for what the non-Goku characters in Dragon Ball got, as the series went on. And even then, at least Toriyama gave enough shits about his characters to give them a passing mention years later, without resorting to Data Books, like Kubo has done.
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>>121443831
Pikkon didn't use his flame aura in the tournament
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>>121443845
>Yamcha, Puar, Oolong, Kuririn, Yajirobe, Tenshinhan and Chaiotsu, at their worst, still proved to be helped during the story arcs they were introduced in.
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>>121443845
>at least Toriyama gave enough shits about his characters to give them a passing mention years later, without resorting to Data Books, like Kubo has done.
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>>121443845
Here's my reply, good job.
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>>121443845
>Yamcha, Puar, Oolong, Kuririn, Yajirobe, Tenshinhan and Chaiotsu, at their worst, still proved to be helped during the story arcs they were introduced in.

By comparison, Fullbring arc was supposed to be Chad and Orihime's, but it just turned into a circlejerk about Ichigo and shitty Soul Society Captains.

Fuck Kubo and fuck Bleach.
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>>121443983
I fucking love Launch
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>>121443983
>>at least Toriyama gave enough shits about his characters to give them a passing mention years later, without resorting to Data Books, like Kubo has done.

Except Toriyama actually mentions the fact that Lunch went to settle down with Tien, but couldn't stand the farm life, so went back to a life a crime.
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>>121444323
fffffffffffffffffffuuuug
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>>121443956
>>121443983
Not to mention at least Bleach and Naruto have a small selection of bitches who can fight a little, actually have boss fights with lesser antagonists.

Even 18 was worthless and didn't do much of note after breaking Vegeta's arm and she was stronger than any of the earthlings.. did she even attack Buu alongside Krillin and Yamcha at the lookout?
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>>121441368
It was goku in the latest movie, SSJ3 got btfo.
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>>121444412
Roshi is a man of fine taste
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>>121443845
>I can't think of a single Dragonball character that's got shittied on more than Orihime and Chad, from Bleach.

People bitch about Yamcha jobbing, but at least he's won a notable fight, which is more than you can say about Chad.
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>>121444329
So... the exact same thing you're accusing Kubo of?
Toriyama completely forgot about her and threw out something belated later on outside the series itself to explain why she completely vanished.
The anime crew remembered her more than he did.
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>>121444272
>By comparison, Fullbring arc was supposed to be Chad and Orihime's

It's pretty sad how Aizen talks up Orihime's powers, only for them to not only be completely useless when it really counts, but fails spectacularly for the sake of plot.
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>>121444494
>notable fight
>against a mook and even got helped by roshi
I guess that privaron espada was a "notable enemy" too then
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>>121444494
Chad has one a number of fights against notable secondary antagonists
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>>121444460
>>121444323
It's too bad she was forgotten. Not every author can be as great as Oda when it comes to characters never being wasted or forgotten.
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>>121444631
Oda remembers more about Dragonball than Toriyama does, remember the interview with both of them?
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>>121444499
That's the version of the story I have as well.

He forgot and Launch was quickly written off. I do recall some kind of filler episode on Z being about Launch, but I don't remember any of it. On top of that

>implying I'll watch any of Z again since getting used to Kai's pacing
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>>121444460
hnnnnnnnngh dat perfect body.

and she's ditsy. ditsy girls are the best. what perfect storm happened to allow such a character to be born?
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>>121444499
>Toriyama completely forgot about her

No he didn't. He has her dialog on the page where Android 17 is shown holding up some poachers.

It was originally supposed to be Lunch, given technically 17 never met Son Goku, so when he says "Ah, that's a voice I haven't heard in a long time." it makes zero sense.

Toriyama actually requests they fix it for the anime release that came a year later. The only character he forgot is Tao Pai Pai, but that was 10+ years after Dragon Ball ended with that duo interview with the author from One Piece.
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>>121444631
Indeed. I didn't see all of Dragon Ball yet, so I'm wondering these things about Launch

>did her family also suffer from her condition?
>and what if she had children? would they also change when they sneeze?
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>>121444839
You're full of shit mate, nothing was "fixed"
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>>121443983

>Toriyama forgot Launch

Notthisshitagain.jpg
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>>121444891
those socks make me rock hard too.
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>>121444891
I don't believe either of those questions were ever answered, unfortunately.
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>>121444891
Her scenes with Tien were pretty cute.

>blonde Launch blushing
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>>121445070
Too bad Toriyama is shitty when it comes to any sort of romantic development or characterization, wasn't that the stated reason why he basically had people get together in timeskips.
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>>121444949
>You're full of shit mate, nothing was "fixed"

Lunch was added to the anime during the scene where everyone is Goku their energy in a separate scene.

>>121444839

Next to 'when DBZ was supposed to end', 'Toriyama's bad memory' is the only thing more exaggerated by DBZ fans. Considering Dragon Ball was running on a week-to-week schedule, often with only a two-chapter buffer between the weekly releases, it's amazing Toriyama didn't forget a lot more things during Dragon Ball's run.
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>>121445161
Yeah, and the anime staff added her to the anime in the saiyan saga too, thats not because of Toriyama.
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>>121445161
>Next to 'when DBZ was supposed to end'
I love this one because I actually used to feel this way.

Based on no evidence whatsoever, it just appeared (from the anime adaptation, no less) that Goku was supposed to die on namek.

Then I read the manga and realized how ridiculous that was.
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>>121444494
>Because Yamucha only fought against formidable opponents
I like how nostalgia googles make people unable to notice how shitty and senile Toriyama is.
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>>121439944
>Goku tells frieza he'll show him power no amount of training can overcome

its like poetry
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>>121441368
vegeta did better than both goku and gohan in BoG
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>>121445758
Dragon ball started alright but in the end the series is almost as bad as naruto in some ways. It just came first.
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>>121445758
>I like how nostalgia googles make people unable to notice how shitty and senile Toriyama is.

Alternatively, only someone completely delusional will blindly defend what Kubo has done to the human characters in Bleach.
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>>121438893
I swear to god if we get this scene and battle point unlimited isn't playing there will have been no point to any of this
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>>121445854
Chad has still won more fights than yamcha or chiaotzu. Also he's died less.
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>>121439926
Thinking about it logically, I guess it makes sense.
Freeza has always been arrogant about his strength, and I got the impression he was always that strong and didn't really work for it.

If he applied himself and trained, he could be pretty fucking strong.
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>>121445845
Pretty much and I still like it due to nostalgia and muh childhood .

>>121445854
I'm not the bleachfag anon and bleach is pretty bad at one time it was alright but it went to total shit.

Since we are talking about forgotten characters by senile Toriyama there's also this dude.
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>>121445907
>comparing people to yamcha

HOW RUDE
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>>121445928
Doesn't really make sense that he could go from weaker than ss1 goku to as strong as the current goku through brief training.

How long does he even have to train after being revived on earth by the dragonballs before they find him?
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>>121445928
Exactly why I love the concept.

Frieza was a mutant - an outlier. He was the strongest in the universe for no reason but fate. The Super Saiyans -what he feared most- ended up taking his life, and now that he's been gifted new life, he has the chance to train his body and mind for the challenge of killing the man who humiliated him.

I think it's beautiful.
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>>121445989
Yamcha jokes are tired and boring, he wasn't even the weakest member of the Z-fighters.
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>>121446021
King Colds power was bigger than Freizas.
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>>121445070
Oh, god, that happens? I can't wait.
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Super Saiyan God Vegeta vs 250% Freeza
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>>121446074
He was only in his first form too
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>>121438886
>Frieza isn't given some kind of power up from a new character like an evil god or demon, it's just "well if I train that means I can get stronger quickly"
>Beerus suddenly can't do shit because he has a cold
>Whis apparently chooses to do nothing to kill Frieza

Yep, sounds like Toriyama alright. Not that I'm complaining but I expected more.
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>>121446006
It makes sense when you understand the greater SSJ transformations are kind of useless. They fit the situations at hand, but in a fight against someone who knew what he was doing (Bills) they were just too slow. SSJ 3, for example, worked against Buu. That's because Buu let himself get hit due to his regeneration powers. He didn't give a fuck. Frieza would be way too fast for that - similar to Bills.

The real question is can Frieza tap into the same mindset Goku found after experiencing Super Saiyan God? Why the hell not? I'm a fan of that potential asspull.
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GT worth watching? I think I stopped at episode 3 when it was currently airing.
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>>121446156
>implying they won't resolve this by revealing whis was frieza this whole time
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>>121446074
Well okay. They were both mutants, though. Let's just say his family line was the strongest in the universe to satisfy that retcon. You knew what I meant.
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>>121444494
>People bitch about Yamcha jobbing, but at least he's won a notable fight, which is more than you can say about Chad.

Even if you ignore the characters fighting record, at least Yamcha, Tien and Krillin still hang out with Goku and try to help, when shit goes down.

In Bleach, Ichigo barely sees his human friends anymore. I recall the chapter where Aizen attacks the real Karakura town being one of the best ones, since at see Mizuiro throwing pipe-bombs and shit at Aizen, for all the good it did. It's a shame that guy, Tatsuki and Keigo didn't get special powers, because they were a hell of a lot better characters than the shitload of Soul Society characters that get focus wasted on them.
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>>121446201
>>121446140
King Colds power is weaker than freizas.
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So,let me get this straight, Freeza could become Buu tier with few days of training,but decided to exterminate the strongest race of soldiers of his army instead?
Jesus this is not any less retarded than the Broly movies.
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>>121445978
>Since we are talking about forgotten characters by senile Toriyama there's also this dude.

What about Yajirobe. We see that fat fucker whenever they go to get senzu beans.

Since he didn't give a shit about fighting or defending the Earth in the first place, it make sense he fucked off back to Korin's tower.
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>>121446190
>whis fuses with frieza
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>>121446237
Freeza is about to become Beerus-tier.
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>>121446165
Except thats total nonsense, being SSJ 2 or 3 makes you faster than the previous forms

You are thinking of Trunks and Vegetas Ultra super saiyan mode.

Bills won because he was stronger and faster.
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>>121446237
>lazy guy takes the laziest option

what are you saying anon?

>>121446280
I'm pretty sure they'd turn into a jojo character if that happened to represent the overflowing metrosexuality
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>>121446156
We don't know the plot of the movie, yet. Goku and Vegeta could be on a level with Freeza, turning this into nothing more than sport. There might be no reason for those two to intervene.

Just my opinion.

Goku was shown fighting Freeza in base form. Perhaps Goku and Vegeta greatly outclass Freeza, and killing him is no problem, but he was granted eternal life by the dragon balls, and they have to discover a more creative way of stopping him than simply sending him to the spawn point?
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Frieza is only like a hundred years old, I find it hard to believe that Beerus was able to form a strong impression before going into another sleep cycle. I mean frieza comes across as a total gentlemen.
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>>121446229
>In Bleach, Ichigo barely sees his human friends anymore.

That's because Kubo is busy making Ichigo a billion and one things, he doesn't have time to hang out with his faggot friends when he can be hanging out with some else getting them sweet power ups that are going to be used once or twice and forgotten.
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>>121446237
He was already leagues stronger than everyone else he knew. He didn't have a reason to train.
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>>121446237
>not realizing that pretty much every villain except for Imperfect Cell and Super Buu were complete retards

Come on anon, Frieza isn't Aizen. You. Can't expect any sort of original thought from this guy.
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>>121445928
Yeah I don't know why people is sperging over this Freeza training it sounds retard but that's how it works in DBverse.

>>121446006
>>121446021
>>121446279

This movie is a legit scenario WHAT IF FREEZA WANTED TO GO UNDER TRAINING TO BECOME EVEN STRONGER dude was a monster almost SSJ tier by doing nothing his whole.

If you idiots still didn't get it just remember at the beginning of saiyan saga Goku had as much powerlevel as a random farmer with a shotgun and by the end of the series he had to fight on other planet because he could easily evaporate the whole earth.

If you still think Freeza being powerful as fuck after training is an asspull you are an idiot.
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>>121446410
>If you idiots still didn't get it just remember at the beginning of saiyan saga Goku had as much powerlevel as a random farmer with a shotgun

good b8
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>>121446156
>>121446325
Why the hell would Whis and Bills intervene and fight for Goku? They are neutral party, not his goddman babysitters.
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>Sorbet: “Son Goku has become strong enough to defeat Majin Buu.”

>Freeza: “That’s more than I imagined. But I’m a prodigy, so if I bring out all of my dormant power through training, I’ll crush even the Saiyans in the blink of an eye.”

How did Freeza knew about Majin Buu?
And seriously?
>If I train I'll get stronger than them!

Come the fuck on, Toriyama.
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>>121446410
>If you idiots still didn't get it just remember at the beginning of saiyan saga Goku had as much powerlevel as a random farmer with a shotgun

Er, what?
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>>121446410
Settle down fanboy.
There has never been any strong logic to power levels in DBZ.
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>>121446468
Freeza was in HELL, anon. I'm sure they mentioned it to him someway or another.
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>>121446404
>aizen
>not a complete retard
>didn't even use his shikai agianst ichigo
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>>121446472

Yeah ... Goku even had a PL of 10 at the beginning of series, so that was just retardation speaking.
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>>121440975
>>121441060
Or pretending Bra/Bulla never existed
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>>121446410
Goku had olympics feats as a fucking 6 year old. Common farmer my ass
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First Search for the Dragon Balls
Goku: 10 Daizenshuu 7-p.82
– Ōzaru: 100 Daizenshuu 7-p.82
Kame-Sen’nin: less than 139 Calculated: Daizenshuu 7-p.82
Umigame: 0.001 Dragon Ball Z Episode 008
Pilaf: 40 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet
Shuu: 20 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet
Mai: 20 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet

The Battle with Raditz
Farmer: 5 Dragon Ball Chapter 195
Oolong: 10 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet
Pu’er: 10 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet
Lunch: 18 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet
Goku (wearing heavy clothing): 334 Dragon Ball Chapter 199
– heavy clothing removed: 416 Dragon Ball Chapter 199
– firing a Kamehameha: 924 and rising Dragon Ball Chapter 201
Piccolo (wearing heavy clothing): 322 Dragon Ball Chapter 195
– heavy clothing removed: 408 Dragon Ball Chapter 199
– while charging the Makankōsappō: 1,020-1,030 Dragon Ball Chapter 201
– with the Makankōsappō fully charged: 1,330 Dragon Ball Chapter 201
– firing the Makankōsappō a second time: 1,480 Dragon Ball Z Episode 005
Gohan: 710 Dragon Ball Chapter 199
– angry: 1,307 Dragon Ball Chapter 203
– after attacking Raditz: 1 Dragon Ball Chapter 203
Raditz: 1,500 Daizenshuu 7-p.82; Weekly Shōnen Jump
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>>121446410
mexican detected
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>>121446562
There's no way Oolong and Puar were ever as strong as Goku was at the start of the series

The worst idea Toriyama ever had was introducing specific numbers to mark characters "combat strength"
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>>121446459
Beerus mentioned that given the opportunity he'd kill frieza because he thought he was an asshole even by Berrus's standards.
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>>121446677
As if Goku and Vegeta would allow that to happen.

Watch them pull some rock paper scissors action to see who gets to put Frieza away.
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>>121446677
Berry is more of a petulant bully, as well as a fuckin babby throwing tantrums.
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>>121446562
>oolong is now able to run 100m in 8 seconds
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>>121446562
At least one anon gets it.

Goku was sent to earth because his shitty 10 (ten) powerlevel and after training and shit he's now a saiyan god that can easily destroy planets.

>yet people is buttblasted because freeza got stronger after training
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>>121446562
>Pilaf: 40 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet
>Shuu: 20 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet
>Mai: 20 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet

Fucking what? If there is any indication power levels are bullshit, it's right here.
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toryiama doesnt write the promotional material guys

please do not fall for pamphlet lies
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>>121446833
Didn't that get retconned and now Goku has Superman's exact same backstory?
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>>121446833
Goku trained in 100G chambers,had a shit ton of zenkais and ultimately trained with fucking gods.
No shit he improved so much.
Frieza has neither of those things.
Not to mention that those powerlevels are bullshit to begin with,by that chart fucking Puar has Olympian strength.
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>>121446562
The battle with Vegeta and Nappa
Goku (suppressed): 5,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 222
– at full power: Over 8,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 224
– Kaiō-Ken x2: Over 16,000 Calculated: Dragon Ball Chapter 229
– Kaiō-Ken x3: Over 24,000 Calculated: Dragon Ball Chapter 229
– Kaiō-Ken x4: Over 32,000 Calculated: Dragon Ball Chapter 229; Daizenshuu 7-p.83
Gohan, Piccolo, and Kuririn: 981, 1,220, and 1,083 (order uncertain) Dragon Ball Chapter 214
Gohan: 981 Dragon Ball Z Episode 022
– firing Masenkō: Over 2,800 Dragon Ball Chapter 223; Daizenshuu 7-p.83; Weekly Shōnen Jump
Piccolo: 1,220 Dragon Ball Z Episode 022
– full power: 3,500 Daizenshuu 7-p.83; Weekly Shōnen Jump
Kuririn: 1,083 Dragon Ball Z Episode 022
– full power: 1,770 Daizenshuu 7-p.83; Weekly Shōnen Jump
Tenshinhan: 1,830 Daizenshuu 7-p.83; Weekly Shōnen Jump
Yamcha: 1,480 Daizenshuu 7-p.83; Weekly Shōnen Jump
Chiaotzu: 610 Daizenshuu 7-p.83; Weekly Shōnen Jump
Yajirobe: 970 Weekly Shōnen Jump
God: 220 Weekly Shōnen Jump
Mister Popo: 1,030 Weekly Shōnen Jump
Saibaiman: 1,200 Dragon Ball Chapter 215; Daizenshuu 7-p.83
Nappa: 4,000 Daizenshuu 7-p.83; Weekly Shōnen Jump
Vegeta: 18,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 249; Daizenshuu 7-p.83
– Ōzaru: between 40,000 and 180,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 233
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>>121439535
did Mr Satan ever give that money to 18 that he owed?
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>>121439926
>Freeza
>training

Yeah, we're gonna need a montage.
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>>121446967
>saibaman stated to be as strong as Raditz
>raditz 1500
>saibaman 1200
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>>121446833
>yet people is buttblasted because freeza got stronger after training

Because it's pretty unbelievable that Frieza could train in such a short time and suddenly be able to match SSG Goku, who has gone through way more shit since Namek. People were expecting another universe's god of destruction giving him a powerboost.

Maybe if Frieza was revived a long ass time ago and trained in secret it would be different.
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>>121446967
The Battle on Planet Namek
Goku (suppressed): 5,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 279
– true power: 90,000 Calculated: Dragon Ball Chapter 284; Daizenshuu 7-p.83
– Kaiō-Ken: 180,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 285
Gohan and Kuririn (fighting Freeza’s mooks): 1,500 Dragon Ball Chapter 248
– during the battle with Gurd: Over 10,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 274
Gohan (during the battle with Recoom): 14,000 Daizenshuu 7-p.83
– using the Masenkō: Over 20,000 Dragon Ball Z Episode 065
Kuririn (during the battle with Recoom): 13,000 Daizenshuu 7-p.83
Vegeta (arrival on Planet Namek): 24,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 249
– during the battle with Recoom: close to 30,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 275 (revised); Daizenshuu 7-p.83
– after the battle with Recoom: 250,000 V-Jump
Three Warrior-type Namekians (suppressed): around 1,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 253
– at full power: 3,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 253
Mūri: 5,000 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet
Three Warrior-type Namekians who attack Freeza: around 10,000 Dragon Ball Z Episode 070
Nail: 42,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 286
Freeza’s Reconnaissance Team: less than 1,500 Daizenshuu 7-p.105
Kewi: about 18,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 249; Daizenshuu 7-p.63
Dodoria: 22,000 Daizenshuu 7-p.91
Zarbon (normal form): 23,000 Daizenshuu 7-p.69
Recoom, Jheese, and Butta: between 30,000 and 60,000 Calculated: Dragon Ball Chapter 284
Captain Ginyu: 120,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 285
– in Goku’s body: 23,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 288
Freeza (first form): 530,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 286
– second form: over 1,000,000 Dragon Ball Chapter 296
– final form, 50% full power: 60,000,000 Daizenshuu 7-p.83
– final form, 100% full power: 120,000,000 Daizenshuu 7-p.83
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>>121446627
I'm mexican and I know that he is wrong. I also used to have an 'autism level' of knowledge about dragon ball back then.
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>>121438967
Damn. He looks like he is about to slap a bitch.

The bitch is Vegeta.
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>>121447107
The Battle with Freeza
Goku: 3,000,000 Daizenshuu 7-p.83
– Kaiō-Ken x10: 30,000,000 Calculated: Daizenshuu 7-p.83
– Kaiō-Ken x20: 60,000,000 Calculated: Daizenshuu 7-p.83
– Super Saiyan: 150,000,000 Daizenshuu 7-p.83
Piccolo (merged with Nail): over 1,000,000 Daizenshuu 7-p.102
Vegeta: 250,000 V-Jump
Gohan: 200,000, and much higher when mad V-Jump
Kuririn: 75,000 V-Jump

Extra:

Tullece: 19,000 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet
– after eating the Shinseijū fruit: over 300,000 Calculated: Dragon Ball Z Movie 03
Broli (as a baby): 10,000 Dragon Ball Z Movie 08
Garlic Jr.: 1,450 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet
Dr. Uiro: 39,000 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet
Dr. Kochin: 8
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>>121447172
>He stopped being autistic about Dragon Ball powerlevels

I bet my acquaintances at my university are going to discuss this shit in the next weeks, the Dragon Ball franchise is still in here after all these years, sadly.
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>>121447205
>Krillin is 13000 (his strength already awakened by guru)
>Goes to fucking 75000 in a few hours for no reason
Legit powerlevels we have here.
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>>121446944
>>121447097

Freeza by default had as much powerlevel as Goku after his first zenkais and 100G training.

Like I said Freeza training and becoming even stronger is indeed stupid and I won't deny it but, it makes sense in DBverse because powerlevel scales on a retarded manner look at Goku nigga went from 10 to like 9999999999999999 powerlevel you keep this scale but change the base powerlevel from 10 to a shitload of millions Freeza had then do the math...

Again it's cheap and stupid but this is how senile Toriyama is justifying Freeza being "legit strong" after all these years.
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>>121447353
We can talk about Super Saiyan Grades I through V if you like.
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>>121447389
Is that what you're calling USSJ these days?
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>>121446967
>Yamcha: 1,480
>Saibaiman: 1,200
>Still loses
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>>121447389
What's the multiplier for SSJ2?
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Super Saiyan Grade One (Basic Form)
When they transform into Super Saiyans their battle power, the height of their ki, and muscle strength are all dramatically increased compared to when they are regular Saiyans! What's more, once they transform their black hair stands straight up and is dyed gold, and they emit an intense aura. This form could be called the basis for all later Super Saiyans from Grade Two onward!!

Son Goku
On Planet Namek Goku challenged Freeza (in his third transformation form) to an intense battle, and when Kuririn was killed his anger transformed him into a Super Saiyan! Afterwards, he adopted the pattern of normally living as an ordinary Saiyan, and transforming into this Grade One during battle.

Son Gohan
Son Gohan is a kind-hearted boy who loves peace and hates fighting. But the blood of the Saiyans, the strongest fighting race in the universe, flows inside him! Gohan finally transforms into a Super Saiyan after receiving special training directly from Goku in the Room of Spirit and Time! The power that was hidden inside of him is greater than Goku's!?

Vegeta
When Vegeta learned that Goku had transformed into a Super Saiyan, he began intense training as he traveled the universe on his own! Through his anger towards Goku and himself (for being unable to surpass Goku), he transformed into a Super Saiyan, capable of using a great technique called the Big Bang Attack!
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>>121447389
Unlike Sayans,humans don't have a legendary powerup that turn their appearance. And even then,there is a specific reason,be it training or rage. There Krilling fucking multiplies his strength x7 out of the blue.
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DBZ is the actual ultimate normalfag gateway anime.
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>>121446833
Except Goku reached that strength after a lifetime of training, how long did freiza train?
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>>121447494
>Bubbles
>Michael Jackson's pet chimpanzee

I never made the connection.
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Super Saiyan Grade Two
A Super Saiyan that has surpassed the limits of Super Saiyan: that's Grade Two! Muscles are even larger than in Grade One, with power and speed raised as well! The shape of the Super Saiyan's trademark upright hair is also even more combative. When Vegeta underwent this transformation during his battle with second stage Cell, he called himself "Super Vegeta".

Vegeta
Vegeta underwent ultra special training in the Room of Spirit and Time. The fruits of his labor were this Grade Two transformation and the great Final Flash technique, which has enough force to shatter the Earth! Though he's a warrior who surpasses even stage two Cell, his power was no match for Cell in his perfect form.

Trunks
Trunks became capable of transforming into Grade Two through his training in the Room of Spirit and Time, which he entered with Vegeta. He first showed off this transformation when trying to stop Cell from absorbing No.18!

Son Goku
Goku passed on the secret of the Super Saiyan transformation to Gohan. He demonstrated the Grade Two transformation for Gohan, then continued right on to Grade Three!

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Super Saiyan Grade Three
A Super Saiyan with overwhelming power that far surpasses even Grade Two! But the enlarged muscles get in the way and kill speed. In other words, it could be called a transformation that relies too much on power. Another flaw is that its energy consumption is too intense.

Trunks
In terms of power he even surpasses Super Vegeta (Super Saiyan Grade Two)! After Super Vegeta was defeated, he challenged Cell in his stead, but was outclassed in speed and sadly suffered a complete defeat. Incidentally, it seems that Vegeta is also capable of transforming into a Grade Three.

Son Goku
He transforms into a Grade Three during his training in the Room of Spirit and Time! This grand form amazed and impressed Gohan, but Goku spotted its flaws: its intense energy consumption and the way that its muscles lower speed!
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>>121447591
>muscles lower speed!

I don't think thats how it works toryiama
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>>121447443
Are you stupid? You can still be hurt if there's a small difference in powers and you get hit with something strong.

Piccolo and Goku managed to kill Raditz despite him having more power than both of them combined.
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>>121446927
No, you fucking moron. What retarded-ass fanfic did you get that from? Fuck off.
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>>121447494
>reading the image
>gee I wonder what the fuck's up with Mr. Popo
>get to Mr. Popo
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Cell is also capable of the same transformation!?
Cell was startled when he saw Trunks transform into Grade Three. But the truth is that Cell himself is also capable of this power up! However, he realized that a transformation that relied on power was meaningless. He therefore tried to avoid using it.

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>Super Saiyan Grade Four
A form where without consciously raising their ki they are still able to remain Super Saiyan on a regular basis: that's Grade Four. From the start Grade One balanced power, energy consumption, etc. This form removes the slightly agitated state which characterizes Grade One. It's a natural form of Super Saiyan which has even gotten rid of their wild personality!

Son Gohan
He grew a lot both physically and mentally during his roughly 1 year of training in the Room of Spirit and Time! After Goku surrenders, he succeeds him in stepping up to the Cell Games ring and challenging perfect form Cell! His clothes were given to him by his martial arts master Piccolo.

Son Goku
Goku transformed into Grade Four during his training in the Room of Spirit and Time, and stepped up to the ring as the first challenger in the Cell Games. Though he put up a good fight against perfect form Cell, he sadly resigned, and selected Gohan as Cell's next opponent.

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>Super Saiyan Grade Five (Strongest Form)
An aura with sparks like flashes of lightning and an upright, combative hairstyle are the distinguishing features of this, the strongest Saiyan warrior! One's personality also becomes aggressive; even the ordinarily gentle Gohan started to enjoy battle! Its power is enough to push back even Cell's energy bullet, which had enough force to blow away the Solar System!

Son Gohan
Gohan's true power that had lain dormant finally awakens! He transforms through his extreme rage towards Cell, who tormented Goku and the others with his Cell Juniors, and even destroyed No.16! His personality does an about-face; the strongest Super Saiyan, he easily battles Cell!
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>>121446944
Freeza was born powerful. If had any one of those advantages, he'd body Goku more thoroughly than Daigo did Justin Wong. Fuck off, you fucking Goku cocksucking, dick-riding fanboy. I bet you think Goku can beat Superman too.
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>>121447661
Check the manga about Bardock and his newly revealed wife.

They literally send him away from their doomed planet not too long before Freiza destroys it because they smell something fishy coming.

The only thing that would make it more alike is if Bardock was a genius scientists
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>>121447107
>Vegeta during the battle with Recoom: 30.000
>Vegeta after the battle with Recoom: 250.000
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>>121447547
We don't know maybe some timeskip happens between his revival and the fight.

>Except Goku reached that strength after a lifetime of training, how long did freiza train?
Yamcha died to a saibaman and after Kai training managed to beat Recoome and it happened in a short time.

Again the logic is retard but isn't surprising that freeza is that strong see >>121447370
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>>121447635
It's magic ki speed
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>>121447443
Did you forget that Vegeta allowed himself to get hurt by Krillin in order to get stronger? Really many leagues weaker than him Krillin?

You don't even watch the fucking show, do you? Fucking 09ner.
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>>121447645
YIDF please out
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>>121447667
mr.popo is the comfiest character
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>>121447741
The human fighters versus the Ginyu Force was anime filler
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>>121447736
Zenkai man
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>>121447730
His power level is still low. Are you fucking retarded or are you poorly attempting to troll?
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>>121447730
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>>121447705
>If had any one of those advantages
Well,guess what,he hasn't. And while goku achieved his results in a lifetime,Frieza is going to do it in a few days. And a sub-par training of top of that.
You can call me goku cocksucker,it won't change that it's stupid and forced.
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>This thread

Time to go back to namek.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010617205930/http://www.planetnamek.com/
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>>121447730
>a genius scientists

You're obviously an idiot who uses English as a second language. There's no need to even take you seriously, you're moronic as fuck.
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Thoughts?
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>>121447762
>defending jobbcha
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>>121447753
Shouldn't that ignore muscle mass then

>>121447839
>implying there won't be a montage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB5-jaRN-Co
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>>121447839
You haven't read the manga or knew what training he has gotten, Goku dickrider.

>>121447870
>implying
I'm not saying Yamcha isn't an idiot, I'm saying it's possible for a lower-level being to hurt you if you allow them. Fucking retard.
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>>121447792
After kai training Tien could stall freaking Cell for a few moments.
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>>121447822
>>121447860
Why are you getting all pissy? All I told you is what happened, never said anything about power levels.
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At this point I think that everyone involved with DBZ, fans included, are utterly retarded.
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>>121447869
>10 years old

Wasn't he older?
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>>121447869
Well straight off Bardock is not Turles father, close the image as soon as I saw that
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>>121447839
This is you sucking Kakarrot's carrot.
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>>121447953
>At this point I think that everyone involved with DBZ, fans included, are utterly retarded.

Fuck off, Bleachfag.

Get back to sucking Kubo's dick over his latest EPIC TROLL.
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>>121447912
>You haven't read the manga or knew what training he has gotten, Goku dickrider.
You didn't either. There isn't a single person in the entire galaxy that will give Frieza any kind of special training.
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>>121447894
>Shouldn't that ignore muscle mass then
Maybe the ki can't flow well with all those muscles bulging
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Beerus locked Goku and Vegeta's super saiyan forms anyway.

That's the only reason even trained frieza is a challenge.
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>>121447981
>hurr sucking Goku's cock
Sorry if I said wrong things anon,i've been totally convinced by your clever rebuttal.
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>>121447955
He was 14
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>>121448073
It kinda makes sense why he used to be that short.
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>>121439510
He can be whatever he wants, he gets to fuck 18 anyways
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>>121447860
Look at this nerd getting all assblasted over the internet lol
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>>121448022
How about you wait for the movie to get released and the new manga to get finished before writing your Goku erotic fanfiction?
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>>121447970
It was translated from Spanish to English. It said 'relative' before.
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>>121447935
see >>121446927
This is wrong. It wasn't retconned that his shitty ten power level made him get sent to earth.
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>>121447839
>implying he can't bully people into giving him those advantages as a former conqueror of the galaxy

Admit it, you just love sucking Goku's cock.
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>>121439510
To shit on gohan

who needs superheros when you have supercop

starring jackie chan
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>>121448125
That was never confirmed, though.
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>>121448113
>lol
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>>121448068
>Beerus locked Goku and Vegeta's super saiyan forms anyway.

Then Gohan could easily swoop in and curbstomp Frieza.
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>>121448071
If you actually believe Goku is something special for all those training chances when he was just a Power Level 10 before and Freeza is the true prodigy and big bad of Dragon Ball.
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>>121438886
>Freeza revival
>Weak as shit
>Vegeta mocks him
>Goku finds it boring and tell him about the asspull chamber
>Freeza spent a day (year) training
>Come out with God tier powers
>Vegeta jobs as usual to make Freeza looks like an actual threat
>Goku saves the day
Did I miss something?
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>>121448152
As far as we know,only Bulma and the Kaiocan give those kind of training. And if any of them get bullied, either Goku or vegeta will come and blast Frieza's ass.
Nice try Ginew.
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>>121448193
Huehuefags are sucking Goku's magic pole hard, aren't they?
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>>121448200
Pretty sure Turles was just Evil Goku that played the same role as Vegeta and Nappa
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>>121448247
they were desperate for any reason to get excited for evolution
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>>121448215
Do you even read what i wrote? Goku is nothing special,he multiplied his power so much because he literally had god like training. Which Frieza hasn't until proven otherwise.
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>>121448232
>Kaiocan

The fuck?

You probably watched the Mexican dub or something. It's also Wetbacks who usually (and wrongly) side with Goku in Superman versus Goku debates.
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>>121448250
So basically only related to Goku's personality.
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>>121448275
>kaio can
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>>121448268
>he multiplied his power so much because he literally had god like training.
And Freeza was known to the gods, particularly Beerus. Him availing of God-like training isn't unusual. Stop sucking Goku's dick over his fucking training, Freeza could get that too if he wanted to since he was rep even before Goku went to the afterlife.
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>>121448247
The "original" Latin American dub cast sucked toei's dick so fucking hard. They were actual shills for almost 2 years straight, I bet they're shilling F too.
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>>121448217
>yfw Goten kills him
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>>121446468
To be fair, Frieza can take an exceptional amount of punishment. His legs got cut of and they didn't even get gangrene or anything. Then he got blown to shit when Namek exploded and he was still fucking alive.

Frieza's race is probably the most resistant to any problem puny non-frost demons (whatever his race'a name is) face. Ebola or the flu would probably just make him stronger and shut like that. Coupled with the fact that he's a mutant far stronger than the other members of his race and he has some serious potential.
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>>121448232
>Bulma and the Kaiocan give those kind of training.
Freeza has mad rep even before Goku met Kaio. I'm surprised it didn't occur to you that he himself can pull strings to get that training done.
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>>121448315
>was known to the gods, particularly Beerus.
And uttely despised by him.
>Freeza could get that too
I will admit i was wrong if you tell me how.
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>>121448247
>Spanish
>Brazilians

If you're gonna mock third world people at least get them right
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>>121448275
But superman would lose to goku
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>>121448217
>Goku finds it boring and tell him about the asspull chamber
Suddenly it's Cell games all over again.

>muh handicaps
>take this senzu bean
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Didn't this plot already get used in Fusion Reborn? Frieza comes back and Gohan beats him in one punch.
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>>121448374
>And uttely despised by him.
That doesn't mean he can't find gods to get him training. There aren't just goody gods available. But sure, backpedal some more. I enjoy imagining seeing it dawn on your idiotic face that you're wrong about this.
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>>121448402
>south america country
>not speaking spanish
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>>121448402
>people giving a shit about the difference between Spaniards and Brazilians

Huehuehuehue
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>>121448407
>cell gets brought in to referee
>gets irritated and fucks with things so tien wins by a technicality
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Is it drawn by Toriyama?
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>>121448403
A quasar couldn't kill Superman and the main problem writers have is powering him down, not up. Goku gets killed every other day.
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>>121448417
All the movies before battle of the gods and the one with vegeta's brother were written by random people at toei.
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>>121448427
Why would toriyama introduce the idea of another god in revival of f? He doesn't have enough tome to throw in a godly big bad, he's already juggling a lot of characters in the film.
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>>121448479
>Tori-bot
>drawing manga in 2015

He's like 60
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>>121448427
Well sure,if Frieza actually finds a god training him it's not bullshit if he goes Buu tier.
>backpedal
How am I backpedaling? Is now admitting a mistake a wrong thing? To me it looks like the only ones getting mad here are Friezafags calling other Goku's dickriders/ Mexican hues.
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>>121448374
It was pointed out because Frieza is known by the God of Destruction, meaning many other gods know him too. Gods that can get him training. Gods that have a bone to pick.
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>>121448479
No it is not. Toyotarō is.

Check out Jaco the Galactic Patrolman for more Toriyama.
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>>121448531
>Well sure,if Frieza actually finds a god training him it's not bullshit if he goes Buu tier.
And we're discovering more and more things cosmic and spiritual about Dragon Ball every day, so to say that it's bullshit he got powered up is like saying it's bullshit Perfect Cell was invented by a Red Ribbon Army scientist, an organization that was destroyed when Goku was a toddler.

Think, McFly, think.
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>>121448522
>Why would toriyama introduce the idea of another god in revival of f
Why would Toriyama introduce more gods back in Z in order to justify Majin Buu as being a bigger threat than Perfect Cell?

It's to continue the story, retard. And he already introduced different dimensions into the mix too.
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>>121448608
cell wasn't invented

you can't invent a person
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>>121448554
The one about the nekomajin was also funny as shit.

Tori has always been consistent with comedy.
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>>121448523
He drew Jaco pretty recently, anon.
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>>121448546
>implying toriyama can think up gods that quickly.
>implying revival of F will have any other gods in it when it's pretty clear this is Frieza's big moment in the spotlight.
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>>121446562
>Pilaf 40

The fuck?
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>>121447894
if drago can punch 2000 does that make him stronger than mr.satan
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>>121448659
>Why would Toriyama introduce more gods back in Z in order to justify Majin Buu as being a bigger threat than Perfect Cell?

He had an entire saga to flesh them out, this is a movie.

>It's to continue the story, retard. And he already introduced different dimensions into the mix too.

So you're telling me that this film will introduce two new frieza servants, have them bring back frieza, and then an evil god will show up and just offer him training? Sounds like bullshit.
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>>121448816
>nd then an evil god will show up and just offer him training?

well beerus and whis are confirmed in this film
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So I think everyone agrees that Toriyama's best works can be found outside of anything Dragonball related, right?
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>>121440630

Hell, yes! I'm starting to think this might actually turn out to be good... welp, set course for disappointment.
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