Is there anyone who's read the VN and can still say Shirou is a bland character?
Right here, OP.
Everything around him is interesting. Shirou himself, however, is boring as all hell. He's well written, but that doesn't make him fun to watch in the slightest
In UBW Shirou is still attached at the basically-retarded concept of superhero imprinted by Kiritsugu.
How is that "best Shirou"?
>Implying HF Shirou isn't
He just had to set it aside for a few weeks for Sakura's sake. Chances are he's even more committed to it after HF to atone for all the shit he let fly during the route
Wormpussy aside, I think my point still stands: even if in UBW there's a development in the whole "superhero" thing, I feel like he's still way too influenced by Kiritsugu, where in Heaven's Feel (even if it was for a few days, but I don't think so) he's just doing for once what he wants to do, and not what he thinks is right.
Basically in Heaven's Feel, for once, he's just being himsel, and not some Kiritsugu copycat.
How come in the Fate Route everyone tells Shirou to back the fuck up and let the more experieenced masters and servants handle everything, yet in UBW everyone encourages him to be a super hero who fights using projection magic?
Shirou basically became a bystander and let a lot of people die because he got obsessed with Sakura. All while deluding himself that making Sakura live a happy life will compensate for it, as if that should be determined by him and not the people that died or those who suffered because of it.
He's even shittier because he suddenly decided all the world was reduced to Sakura and therefore all his decisions and beliefs should revolve around her, even if it means damaging others or himself.
In fate he has the fucking powerhouse that is Saber. Supposedly at least. In UBW, for most of the route at least, he has nothing to back him up except his one magic.
That's how humans act, it has way more sense that "I'm gonna save everybody! Yay!".
Maybe it's not the right thing to do, but humans do that, they commit themselves to something, willing to give everything for that, even if it means hurting oneself or others.
I'm playing through UBW right now and can I take a guess at what happens?
Does Shirou project a copy of Risk Breaker to take back saber? If not, why would or wouldn't this work?
There is nothing wrong in taking inspiration in other people to give shape to your ideals. Many things are built upon something that already exists, and it doesn't make them any less valid.
What is wrong in UBW is that it only levels up Shirou's moralfaggotry and makes him twice as insufferable. His ideals never get properly explored, and because it's such a vital plot point, it makes the plot crumble under a thousand pages of nothing. The only thing he got out of it was take Archer as a lesson to not become a counter guardian, but he's left unchanged since the start of the route.
It doesn't matter if a person is complex or not complex, bland or not bland.
I like Tohno Shiki and he's mostly stationary in his development in Tsukihime. I dislike Kurosaki Ichigo even if he changes and pingpongs around as a dynamic growing character in the manga.
Being dynamic or static means nothing in how good a character is.
UBW Shirou understands his ideal far better than Kerry.
>What is wrong in UBW is that it only levels up Shirou's moralfaggotry
I don't think you understand tat word. Shirou never forces his morality on anyone but himself, and in UBW he learns to relax it a bit, as he understands that logically, it's not always possible to save everyone, but at the same time it's not wrong to try.
There's nothing really needed to be added to that. It's a very reasonable goal: help others as much as you can, but know that sometimes, shit happen.
>That's how humans act
Humans also go around doing all kinds of fucked up shit out of selfishness, however that doesn't justify anything.
Is not that Shirou decided to commit to someone, he outright thought Sakura's life was more important and above the hundreds of lives that were lost. The fact that throughout the route he still makes up excuses for allowing something horrible to happen and deludes himself that everything will be ok if he just makes up for how much destruction Sakura did (which he can't) makes him disgusting.
He did something horrible out of selfishness, yes, but that layer of self-deception is what makes him truly disgusting.
He actually projected Excalibur in the Fate route IIRC.