>moot said /a/ is the best board
>/jp/ still is his favorite one, though
That would be really hard to pull off moderation for and also getting everyone to migrate. I think even if you got the majority of /a/ to go there, unless it was exactly like /a/ (which is unlikely) you'd have people leaving over time until you're left with a handful of users.
>Implying it ever will get taken down
Even though a lot of you have shit taste, you are all my friends and I love you.
Even thoguh I prefer DFC, but still, pic related.
It's not impossible. /a/nons are not all in two categories. There are narutards who don't shitpost, and there are oldfags who have been here since 2003 that spend their time shitposting. There are people who have great taste and you share the same favorite anime but think /a/ is a shithole and worse than /v/.
It's not black and white.
You're a retard. There is no "/a/'s opinion".
/a/ is very divided. Yes, of course you can guess that if you make a thread about an anime someone will say its shit, because there are always people who dislike things. But there will also always be people that like it too.
This is why. A fake will never be the original.
Only a minority of /a/ puts an effort into their posts.
Most people completely stopped using sage when it became invisible. Emoticons have almost become acceptable too.
"Funposting" is not the part we admire about /jp/.
>Only a minority of /a/ puts an effort into their posts.
It depends on the thread.
If the OP is just "ASUKA A SHIT" or something along those lines then all the replies will be similarly shit, but if you try and start a legit discussion on something you're likely to get some good replies.
>Most people completely stopped using sage when it became invisible.
And before it was invisible, most people used it for shitposting. So, good.
>Emoticons have almost become acceptable too.
Not even close. The only thing you see posted even relatively often is ;_;
>"Funposting" is not the part we admire about /jp/.
Good thing /a/ doesn't have rampant funposting then.
This, I'm a newfag who came to 4chan and /a/ specifically almost 2 years ago and posting emoticons back when I started you'll get way more reprimand than you get now, and the faggots who posted them didn't talk back.
Sure emoticons haven't become accepted but nowadays people mostly ignore them and if you call them out on their fagotry they'll go "lel oldfag"and such.
>The only thing you see posted even relatively often is ;_;
You are telling me you didn't notice the influx of colon-caret-closing parenthesis?
Barely anybody's saying anything when it happens.
That's precisely the point. You don't want to bump.
People go into shit threads to tell OP to fuck off, but keep the thread on page one for half an hour, with the thread quickly growing to hundreds of replies.
Majority of posts are people being told to fuck off for using them.
Mods also ban for posting them most of the time.
Yeah, it's a shame it doesn't happen more often, but it does still happen, which still keeps it the best board.
Half of those posts are from me.
>Majority of posts are people being told to fuck off for using them.
So, since half of them are from me, and I can't lurk every single thread on /a/, we can assume that lots go unnoticed.
It's an etiquette that new users wouldn't really understand, just like how they'll never understand the negative aspects of catalog's existence in regards to the dynamics of an image board.
We got old. The older generation of users are too tired now.
We just watch the newer generation of users make the board worse and worse with a frown.
That's when you report them. Newfags will almost always be spiteful babies like that, which is why you just have to have enough people yelling at them until they fuck off or go back to lurking. You don't get that often enough, but there's usually at least one or two people saying it. I mean, the meta threads we've had the past few days have consisted of tons of people telling /v/ crossboarders to fuck off. They're vastly outnumbered.
It could be better, and there's no denying /a/ is on the decline, but it could definitely be way, way worse. /a/ hasn't lost most of it's value yet. Don't let the quality decline make you lose hope, just keep encouraging what should be done and we can keep up the quality as much as possible.
>We just watch the newer generation of users make the board worse and worse with a frown.
A big part of it comes from mods and moot enabling newer people with what is and what isn't welcomed here and since people aren't setting a standard new people run rampant thinking they own the place and that board culture is just a fat neckbeard myth
Yeah, the decline could be curbed or controlled if we had mods like Kino helping out. I seriously think newfag janitors and inactive mods are the biggest reason /a/ is falling right now.
Ugh, I've observed countless threads where oldfags would complain about how awful the board has become, and the newfags would just tell them "deal with it, we're here now and these are our norms."
It would be lovely if they just shut the fuck up and lurked before posting, but that's not really a thing anymore.
There is the one janitor or mod that takes care of naruto threads but it's pretty inconsistent.
I'm not sure what to do. I guess we could all take moot's advice and ignore what we don't like, but that doesn't fix board quality.
Yeah. Ignoring what you don't like works for things like: a series you hate, a fanbase that annoys you, a certain archetype that people like. It works well as the antithesis of stop liking what I don't like, but for moderation it doesn't apply at all.
I've been to /jp/ a few times, and while it seems their board culture hasn't received much outside influence like /co/ which turned into tumblr 2.0 half of the threads there don't interest me like >>120273703 , regardless of that like I said, I feel a lot more respect for /jp/ than for some other boards which have completely fell to moralfag-normalfag-SJW influence
>crossposting in 4 different meta threads at once including /qa/
>keep getting them confused, so many tabs open that I can't tell which is which
It's the last remaining save-haven for older generation of users. Even then, it's suffered its share of degrading board quality.
Apparently /x/ is one as well, but I rarely visit that place.
I love you, /a/.
I'd rather not say anything else other than this or else I'll be sending my deathflags flying all over the place.
The current state of /a/ is fine.
/jp/ is also good.
If you like anime and the community stick with /a/ because /jp/ feels a lot different.
We've always known that /a/ is the best board. I've been saying it for years as well so what if moot likes /jp/ the best? Imagine how would you feel if he'd say /s4s/ is his favorite.
Besides, don't forget /a/ and /jp/ are 2 sides of the same coin, we are the same.
Is it just me or are there a lot more amateurish transparencies being made and posted nowadays than a few years ago?
It seems like every second image was made with some autoselect tool.
Isn't it kind of inevitable that /jp/ keeps out normalfags?
I mean it's called Otaku Culture. Any normalfag or even someone with a low powerlevel wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
My friend who showed me this place back in like mid-2004 kept telling me to check out /jp/ and /x/ and I never listened to him. I bet he still lurks, despite him saying he doesn't.
>You know, given all the mecha series I've seen, I never once stepped into /m/ for some reason.
Which is precisely the reason why it's good. Not you in particular. But people (and newfags) who like anime go to /a/, not /m/.
>The current state of /a/ is fine.
>/jp/ is also good.
If fun things are fun t-then girls can love girls right?
I burned bridges?
Anon, /jp/ didn't exist in 2004.
I do usually have the light on in my room. I think my monitor is at 30% brightness level too. Tomorrow is just much more relaxing on my eyes, I guess. It's perfectly normal for a large amount of light colored backgrounds on screen for an extended period of time just gets tiring after 10 hours of staring at them.
Well funny enough /jp/ is like the real japan, being forever isolated from the rest of the outside world and developing a weird and unique culture because of that isolation while always mistrusting outsiders and scaring them out
I really do, even though you all have shit taste and can't even talk about a show without going full autism.
Your writing skills are poor, not my reading comprehension. You never modified the time frame after introducing it in your post and never made any other clarifications, the readers are inclinded to believe that everything took place mid-2004. You literally had to clarify in that post yo just made.
Why the fuck would you accuse illiteracy when it's your own goddamn fault?
I didn't really participate in Miku Monday threads, though...
"all" is probably a bit of an overstatement.
someof you guys
"who showed me this place in mid-2004" was a qualitative clause for "my friend," though I guess I should have marked it off with commas or parentheses, since you thought I meant it as a time frame for the whole sentence.
I'm very sleepy and sleep deprived, I'm sorry I said mean words. ;_;
I never saved any Miku images.
I think you may be confusing me with someone else.
But we should enforce our elitism, though. It's the only way to prevent /a/ of becoming /v/.
Tee hee, I made that image.
Just me, but I think you might be remembering things wrong.
Should we enforce it through a well trained contingent of loli police officers?
It wouldn't be the same elitism.
It would be elitism perpetuated by the userbase that's already been infiltrated by reddit users and gaiafags.
I'm not sure if you want the newfags to impose their brand of elitism...
You're right, we should roll over and die, and let /v/ invade with open arms.
Fuck you. We'll keep fighting as hard as we possibly can. It may not always work, but I'm sure as fuck not going to stop caring about /a/'s quality.
Then just like some medieval realms who brought foreigners to rule over them because they couldn't find good leaders among themselves should we bring in some /jp/ bros to teach us their brand of elitism?
Of all the people complaining about the deterioration of /a/'s quality here, I'm not sure if we'd be able to get even 2 to agree on what exactly has gotten worse (as opposed to better).
If we managed to focus on 2 or three key points worth enforcing while simultaneously dismissing others as acceptable we might have more of a chance to get somewhere.
Perhaps we should spend our time being even better posters than everyone else. Lead by example kind of thing. What if that worked?
I've been repenting for my sins I've commited as a tripfag by doing that ever since I dropped my trip in 2013.
Cheese used to contribue.
Somewhere early 2011 it just became literally imagespam circlejerking. It wasn't show what to talk about, just images all over again. Deleted thread before autosage just to make sure that thread stay on front page.
>5+ years later
>Smochi still tripping for attention
>Anons still feeding into his shit.
Onee-Chan please grow up
At the same time, /a/ has begun to shrink. /a/'s population peaked in 2013.
I'm not sure we actually suddenly saw such a huge old-fag emigration that it offset the newfag immigration.
I don't think the elitism died so much as it split the community. Some are holding onto it more than ever, others have begun to see it as the problem and begun "ironically" shitposting to fight it.
They think we are the low-life no good little brother?
I dunno, I think I put it on earlier to add credibility to a post I was making since I've been here longer than most people, and then I forgot to take it off.
I'll remove it eventually.
I think the biggest step forward is getting the mods on our side. This means reporting shitposting newfags, always. If we have enough people reporting emoticons, sauce requests, rec threads, /v/ behavior, then they'll be forced to start helping us moderate. Other than that, tell people to lurk more, sage bad threads, encourage high quality posting and perpetrate the mentality that /a/ is a good place for anime discussion (it is) to counter the "shitposting is funposting" mentality that many crossboarders have. The biggest idea to get across is that /a/ is not like the rest of the site, which is why they're supposed to lurk in order to figure that out.
The most satisfying thing is when a /v/tard comes in and says /a/ is for shitposting, nobody watches anime here and it's a terrible board, then immediately gets shat on by 15 anons telling him that /v/ is not all of 4chan.
But really, moderation is the biggest step forward we could take. We need them helping us keep the quality up. A sctrictly anime related recommendation thread is more detrimental than a blatantly off topic thread, and we need to get that across to them. The priority needs to be keeping /a/'s quality from getting worse, not enforcing rules senselessly. I'd take a rule breaking post over a /v/-quality post any day.
But elitism doesn't work either. We've done that for years and it's left us with the people who don't give a fuck about your elitist ideals and will just push on belligerently along their ideas.
Meanwhile, that elitist anon and belligerent anon generate a pointless shitstorm since both of them desire for the last word and an entire thread gets derailed for an hour because of something as unimportant as a :( rather than a ;_; So while Elitist sits there getting bothered about your board's quality and Belligerent starts busting out his /sp/ memes and nothing productive happens. After about 15 minutes of arguing with someone who doesn't agree with what you feel should be allowed on the board, you end up looking indistinguishable from the person you started arguing with. The thread dies and no one learns anything.
Make productive threads. Create good replies. Reply to good posters. Don't let dumb shit spiral out of control. I want /a/ to be good, but it refuses to learn from the things that obviously has not been working for the past few years.
Any specifics to that? Because it seems needlessly harsh to punish someone who has tried iqbd, tineye, google, etc but get's nothing?
I agree that people who are too lazy to do even that deserve to be banned though.
I'm fine with /a/'s population decreasing. The more popular 4chan has become, the shittier its become as a result.
There was a time when everything on 4chan wasn't "LOL LE HAPPY JEW BEHIND EVERYTHING"
I've noticed that posting Satori has changed from "P-please respond" and autism, to being some sort of enforcer or something. I don't know, Satori posters just got more intense.
Before you tell people off for asking for sauce, try for yourself if you can find the source without too much trouble.
If it's literally one click away, tell him what he's doing wrong or just to fuck off, whichever one you find more appropriate.
If you can't find it, helping is not a bad thing.
Discretion. And that's part of getting a good mod with discretion. I see no problem with giving sauce to a crop of an obscure manga from 20 years ago, or an anime that's very rarely posted on /a/. But if someone posts a fucking Nichijou webm and then someone cries for the source, they should be one day banned or at least warned.
Mods should also put "lurk more" in their ban explanations. Word of God helps a lot with convincing people to lurk.
As a newfag I've never understood the bad blood between /a/ and /v/, you'd think they'd be like good brothers since normalfags and otakus watch anime and play videogames (albeit very different kinds of, but still)
He didn't tag (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) every time he moderated, you're aware of this, right?
Like moot mentioned in the Q&A, mods don't even have main boards anymore. Modcat, however, was very fond of /a/ and this board was his main board. Losing a mod whose main board was /a/ hurt us a lot in the long run.
I agree. The HxH threads are especially horrible to tread into. But the Berserk threads are quite bad too.
No, Berserk is not shonen, but shonenshit is just another word for action manga/anime.
/v/ is very low quality. Naturally, the people who post there regularly have accepted the low quality of the board, and do nothing to help it. They believe, since it's all they know about 4chan or all they have experience with, that 4chan is for shitposting. It's an endless cycle that causes infectious shitposting to flood onto other boards. If /v/ was all you ever knew about 4chan you'd naturally assume that the whole site is just as bad.
I just pick random images from this folder. It's mainly Koishi though.
My point still stands. Please get better /a/. I know you can do it. Let the shitposters think you're all boring instead. No one wants to shitpost at boring people.
Isn't that what the post explained though?
If you're asking because you're new, your first priority is to lurk for a while and increase your power level by watcihng anime/reading manga. You can't really help if you don't understand the problem in the first place.
To understand how shitty /v/ is, imagine if every other topic was studio wars, except everyone takes it seriously and legitimately worships and/or hates giant corporations.
Console wars are the shittiest thing on /v/ by a mile.
/jp/ is shit now because the Legitimate autists took over. Look how the traffic in that board has suffered, it's probably like the same 15 people posting there.
Gone are the happy days where ZUN!bar, Arcueid and Sion frolicking with anonymous.
He spend less than hour on board and move to the next. Instead of bannin user, he just trashed entire thread instantly.
Only times when he actually said something was "Hello, friends"
Why don't go to /vg/?, I've only visited the total war generals there and nothing else, so I don't really know the average quality of that board but so far I've liked the total war general threads there
He lurked /a/ way more than that.
I know you'd like some sort of a proof but the only thing I can tell you is that Kyle and I are friends, so you'll just have to take my word for it.
It keeps the low priorities out. Now how are you going to deal with the ones that are simply out to detract threads from quality posts with the same zealous fervor?
>But elitism doesn't work either.
You keep telling yourself that, numbnuts.
holy shit yes. and hide it in some corner in the faq so threads with newfags never get seen
They discuss nekopara on /c/? good to know. any special archived threads I should check out?
cinnamon a best
You're right that people take the elitism too far, especially with minor things like artificial distinctions between grammar and emoticons, etc, but having the right dose of it does wonders. I've seen newfags accept that they should lurk after they're told to. They're not all spiteful shitposters. The ones that are just need to be banned or told to lurk by a lot of people until they listen. They'll either leave because of how often they get yelled at, or they'll eventually learn. Things like rec threads and shitty posts should still be discouraged.
I think you just have to keep having conversations like the one we're having right now, where we establish that elitism is good but flying off the handle because someone posts a smiley face is not. There was a sticky about this in 2012 I think, about taking the elitism in moderation and not going overboard.
And as I said earlier, having the mods on our side will help a huge amount.
Mushishi doesn't get real threads.
But the difference is that on /a/ a reasonably experienced anon can go into any thread he wants without making himself look like a complete retard (except for the generals and mini communities that persist on /a/ too).
It's not a bad thread to discuss manga, and manga are certainly better off together with anime than without anime.
If you split, be prepared for a perpetually dead board with Big3 generals and a 98% WSJ community.
It does work. The newfag is deterred by the overall elitist quality that /a/ possesses. It may be a slow and hard process, but that one newfag will hopefully never return. Those that care enough to lurk and learn will enjoy their stay all the more.
I used to be a resident of /jp/ for a few years before I got bored and moved on to /a/
There is a limit to how much you can tlak about your favorite touhou or your NEET lifestyle
So all /a/ should talk about is moeshit, harems, and slice of life bullshit?
Tippty Toppity Kek