The pain will never go away, you just have to learn to live with it OP.
>The main character was complete garbage.
He was probably the best part of the show. What don't you like about him?
This show does not help me for I am an emotional cripple.
spoiler that shit asshole, and I was even 4 episodes away from finishing it
Where do you think you are where saying " spoiler that shit asshole, and I was even episodes away from finishing it" is considered proper etiquette?
At least OP should have a different Katanagatari image that makes me go "I better avoid this" but it isn't that at all
Oh, and I have bad etiquette when a huge spoiler gets slapped at my face, sorry
It's one of the most talked about anime and new people are constantly picking it up.
At least Eva fags have the decency to just put "what the fuck did I just watch" and Shinji's hand after masturbation
You made the mistake of going on /a/ before you finish a series that has already aired. There is a 1 month rule when it comes to spoilers, once the month after the show ends everything is fair game.
Well the alternative is this image, which is used for every other Katanagatari thread.
Dropped on episode one due to MC being yet another dense motherfucker.
Figured I'd save myself the trouble.
So unless I want to be spoiled I have to watch every anime up until now, then keep up with every show airing if I don't want to be spoiled? That's bullshit and you know it.
Something super old and mainstream like Cowboy Bebop or Eva I can understand, but Katanagatari isn't super popular, nor is most anime. Use spoiler tags you lazy fucks, though in threads they aren't as important but OPs are.
So in other words. Unless you've seen every anime, you are in danger of being spoiled and you shouldn't browse /a/. You're a fucking moron. I can't watch every show I have on a backlog fast enough to avoid you guys not spoiling shit. I got spoiled just by scrolling the front page, I didn't jump into a thread of a show I hadn't seen. Pure faggotry.
>There is a 1 month rule
Bwhahhaha, I have seen episodes spoiled before the fucking RAW was out
Christ I remember /a/ creating a Frankenstein camrip complied of multiple 10 minute camrips of Rebuild 3.0 months before the whole movie was leaked
No that is pretty much how it is. If you haven't seen an anime then go to the place where anime is discussed then complain when a spoiler is dropped then you have severe autism and must seek psychiatric evaluation to be sure if you can function properly in the real world.
Pic related. This one's even spoiler neutral.
>how retarded MC is
The fact that he attacked Not-Togame when he was rushing towards her and saying that he can't recognize or remember people quickly enough because his sister and father were the only humans he had contact with should tell you something.
Never forget that this picture showed up at the same time these words were spoken.
My sword has feelings if you know what I mean.
>how buttthurt /a/ was over the ending
It's actually quite entertaining how even the split is for Togame/Hiteifags. Reminds me of pic
>or how retarded MC is
At least he smartened up by the end.
>Maybe if I lie I can appear informed
She didn't fail at all. She got EVERYTHING she wanted.
>everything she wanted
Except she didn't want anything. Retard.
>travels around the country
>stealing the priceless heirlooms of many different people
>often kills them in the process
How are they the good guys again?
>It's actually quite entertaining how even the split is for Togame/Hiteifags. Reminds me of pic
There should be no Togame fags, but because she's a cute tsundere and has the "Cheerio" meme, retards flock to her.
Even though she was obviously a piece of shit that got exactly what was coming to her.
Besides, this show was pretty much spoilered, in its entirety, by LNfags before airing. Anyone who was paying attention knew that the fight of episode four wasn't even going to happen.
It's more of a personal rule if anything. It is not really written on a stone tablet sent down from Moot and the other Gods of the internet to be passed down to us mere mortal. No it is just a thing I live by.
>Missed the part about her being weirdly sexually attracted to the sword her ancestor made because all the ancestors had weird boners for the swords.
Well she got more than Togame wanted. Which was to live.
I watched it having faint memories of a screencap (you know the one) and massive amounts of rage over it.
As it grew closer and closer to the end, deep down I knew who the girl must have been in the screencap. It was impossible not to. But I held on believing that my memory was fuzzy and best girl would end up winning in the end.
I was wrong. Terrible ending to a pretty decent romance show.
The ninja were actually the good guys (not counting the literal murderer one). Togame planned to betray them, but they caught wind of it and decided to cut ties.
It was lose/lose and they could only continue to exist by getting some swords and selling to keep their power, but that didn't pan out well.
why do people act like spoilers are the end of the world?
Shakespeare would put a summary of the whole play in the fucking prologue
>Two households, both alike in dignity,
>In fair Verona, where we lay our scene,
>From ancient grudge break to new mutiny,
>Where civil blood makes civil hands unclean.
>From forth the fatal loins of these two foes
>A pair of star-cross'd lovers take their life;
>Whose misadventured piteous overthrows
>Do with their death bury their parents' strife.
>The fearful passage of their death-mark'd love,
>And the continuance of their parents' rage,
>Which, but their children's end, nought could remove,
>Is now the two hours' traffic of our stage;
>The which if you with patient ears attend,
>What here shall miss, our toil shall strive to mend.
I don't know Op, but what I do know is that threads with huge spoilers never ever get deleted
Who knows, maybe I'll start openly discussing huge spoilers on a popular anime imageboard! I'm sure other people won't get mad. Haha. Maybe I'll start with one of those newer series that already have an LN or Manga...
Oh the joyous times of my youth, with my Scottish claymore named Shadynasy.
Many sad days for Tombros, indeed.
>Weapons having a character profile in anime
Come on, really?
Goku was raised in a nearly identical scenario guided only by his Grandfather and was still less of a screwup as a kid than Shichika was by the end of the show.
That's what I'm talking about. The country bumpkin thing should have only lasted so long before he got a fucking clue.
for some reason I felt no sadness at the end
I loved her character and was surprised at how suddenly she died
but the ending felt so damn perfect i couldn't feel anything but satisfaction
plus his rampage at the end makes for one of the best last episodes I have ever seen
Admit it /a/, you liked Togame more until a re-watch had you realize she was a bitch behind the scenes.
Yes you did, but not for the reason you think.
I don't know about the LN (and quite frankly I don't care because I think adaptations have to be considered independently of their source material), but in the anime at least, this scene presents us with something similar to the last few seconds of Inception where the top keeps spinning just long enough for the audience to say "Wait, is he still dreaming?" but cuts to black before you can be sure one way or another. In this way, either interpretation is equally valid because there is a compelling evidence for both. This could also be called The Turn of the Screw phenomenon, from Henry James book that you'll just have to google.
Now, on the surface, this sort of thing seems quite clever - a nod toward the ambiguity of life and our inability to know the truth for sure. But its also kind of a cop-out - its a way for the author to end the story without having to create a satisfying resolution for all the different character arcs.
There are two possible interpretations. Togame is telling the truth in this seen as her final act of repentance for having used Shichika, and her "scheming eyes" activate, because it was all her scheme. According to this, she would have gone through with killing Shichika in the end. Or, Togame is lying in the hopes of sparing Shichika the grief of her death by retroactively negating the value of their relationship, and that is why her "scheming eyes" activate. She may have intended to kill Shichika at some point, but at this point she did not, or maybe she never did in the first place.
Again, both interpretations have much in their favor, but which is the more likely? The fact is, no one, probably not even Nisio, really knows for sure.
That's not what I said. The fact is that the scales are pretty evenly balanced - again, this is an old narrative technique - so there is no valid interpretation, which is a failure on the part of the author.
You can go read The Turn of the Screw as a ghost story or as the ravings of the Governess who is losing her mind and both work quite well. Its the same here.
I think she really did love Shichika and wanted to kill Shichika and not kill Shichika at the same time. By being an unfaithful schemer, she is caught up in all the ends to her schemes and caught in her own web of dishonesty that she can't even be true to herself. Her words at the end were releasing her of all her duplicity and choosing one possibility to become. So to the bitter end she was scheming but at the very end it was all the truth.
Something like that, a liar being wrapped up in their own lies and fixing it at the very end by making a lie become true.
These threads really make me want translate the novels.
Hell, I'd even take notes for the shit like when her eye changes and clear up the stuff novelfags mention the anime didn't adapt.
I'm still too low level for a Nisio book, though.
>The ninja were actually the good guys
They were Shogunate dogs who fell out of favour and are now scrambling to unscrew the state they found themselves in.
The closest thing to a good guy is that holy man.
That was about Inception. And yes, either interpretation of that scene has enough evidence to reasonably believe it to be true, and as such, neither is.
Sure you didn't.
But i have good taste. And i actually expected to like it. But it was just talking 90% of the time about pointless that didn't have any significance and the fighting scenes were pretty boring too.
>Her words at the end were releasing her of all her duplicity
It's amazing how many people miss this. Emonzaemon pretty much sets up the scene after shooting her telling Shichika and the audience that this is Togame's final scene, where she finally comes clean. At the very end of her little spiel Togame ask Shichika if she could fall for him. Why would she need to ask this if she already truly loved and wanted to protect him?
This whole Togame was lying business only exists because people didn't pay enough attention.
>These threads really make me want translate the novels.
Someone did try translating the Katanagatari novels back in 2011 but like what happens to all Nisio Isin translators, they all become eventually kill, never again to return.
This Daniel guy actually seemed eager to translate the Katanagatri novels but somehow went MIA after September 30, 2011 with no warning whatsoever.
He's some faggot from Singapore, too, like some well known LN translators.
Wish he didn't create such blue balling with his enthusiasm.
So yeah, here's the link to the only available Katanagatari LN translation. It only got up to Chapter 1.
>But it was just talking 90% of the time about pointless that didn't have any significance
Anon, literally all of the dialogue is plot important except the gags here and there,
The only one that survived Shichika's wrath
TOGAME DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG!
The ones who failed at revenge, The ones who failed at their goals, The ones who fell before achieving their aspirations, The ones who didn't succeed, The ones who lost, The ones who stumbled, The ones who rotted, The ones who fought with all their might, sacrificed everything, just to have their work be for naught, yielding fruitless results,
Who died unfairly, or perhaps illogically, tragically, without face, full of regrets...
The story which offers a happy future for them, filled with hopes and dreams, "Katanagatari", quietly closes it's curtains here.
Yeah, it kinda felt a bit too dragged out.
got less emotional and dramatic and more absurd. Instead of spending all that time bleeding out talking they could've at least tried to save her life.
It being a narrative technique is a Red Herring, actually. Nisio already dressed similar ideas in Zaregoto (and his other works) and Higaki Rinne's advice to Togame actually makes it clear that she wasn't lying.
Togame was fully willing to kill Shichika for the sake of her revenge, despite being in love with him. She was ready to go against her own feelings to fulfill her ambitions, despite knowing that she would regret it later. Love is far from all-powerful and perfect in Nisio's stories.
Can we all just pause for a moment and recognize the actual best girl.
>which is a failure on the part of the author
I don't think so. What makes you think the author has any obligation to resolve any plot point he introduces? You might consider it lazy but it's not like it would have been that complicated to make it clear what's the truth. Sometimes ambiguity is more desirable than certainity.
good job shaft
>ends in -gatari
>stylised as fuck
>'IT'S NOT SHAFT'
am i being troled
>Why would she need to ask this if she already truly loved and wanted to protect him?
To convince him of the lie.
As a general rule, humans always see what they want to see in such cases and call others idiots who see it a different way. That's just our way of coping with ambiguity.
oh well, my bad. I thought it was shaft.
As I said in the post, I don't give a fuck about Nisio or his other works. An adaptation exists independently of the source material. Even if what you're saying is correct, you're just embracing the intentional fallacy.
>She was ready to go against her own feelings to fulfill her ambitions, despite knowing that she would regret it later.
That's exactly what she wants Shichika to think so he will resent her and move on. It even seemingly works - after all, he ends up with the princess on some kind of a quest. But imagine, regardless of the truth of the matter, Togame told Shichika at this moment to avenge her, or said something like, "I loved you and I'm so sad I'm going to have to die and lose you now" - would Shichika have been as easily able to recover? Maybe he would have lost his mind.
You really couldn't have just googled it sooner to realize you weren't being rused?
An author may not have that obligation, but its just as easy to use ambiguity as a cop out because the author doesn't have the conviction in his ability to create characters and worlds to see it through.