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the best girls are not apart of the harem
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>>119511276
Lies. Birdway is and she's the best.
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>>119511276
>there needs to be a thread 24/7
Fuck you and people that think like you.

>>119511351
Touma is only her onii-chan, she doesn't want the T.
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>>119511276
My waifu.
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I can't remember the names of any of the girls outside of the main ones. Like the one who could use part of accels abilities, I can't remember them at all.
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>>119511503
How dare you forget the name of this trouser browser.
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>>119511276
True. Mikoto is best when she's not anywhere near Touma and his power to turn girls into retards.
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>>119511589
Oh, I remember her. I always thought she was the best ITEM girl, I wanted her and Shiage to fuck. Her name is Saiai right?
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>>119511393
You're lacking in the ways of harem.
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>>119511609
Maybe all the girls around him are only attracted to him because his right hand radiates a field that makes them stupid.

Suddenly it all makes sense.
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how much voltage can she output?
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>>119511672
1 billion volts of pure love.
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>>119511705
>pure shit.
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>>119511672
>>119511705
Why output trillions when you can do... billions?

>>119511725
Scotty don't.
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Okay, so Touma got complete amnesia early on in the series. Later, it was explained that before the series started Touma got partial amnesia and lost the ability to remember anything about one particular person.

Now, we all know things come in sets of three.

How will Touma get amnesia next?
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>>119511725
Pure love. I'm willing to do this again.
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>>119511761
>>119511705
what about amps?
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Birdway, Mikoto, and Othinus are still my top 3.

Come at me.
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>>119511904
>he just needs more Mikoto in his life
Under the table THK’s feet made convulsive movements. He had not stirred from his seat, but in his mind he was running, swiftly running, he was with the crowds outside, cheering himself deaf. He looked up again at the portrait of Mikoto. The colossus that bestrode the world! The rock against which the hordes of Academy City dashed themselves in vain! He thought how ten minutes ago — yes, only ten minutes — there had still been equivocation in his heart as he wondered whether the news from the front would be of victory or defeat. Ah, it was more than a enemy ship that had sunk! Much had changed in him since that first day in the Ministry of Love, but the final, indispensable, healing change had never happened, until this moment.

It was all right. Everything was all right. The struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Mikoto.
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>>119512002
You have good taste anon.

>>119512044
10/10 laughed
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>>119511964
Not sure. I'm pretty sure it's a lot though.
>>119512044
I love it
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>>119512044
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>>119512044
10/10. Perfect.
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>>119512002
I like it. Mine is a top 5 that includes Lessar and Saiai.
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>>119512044
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>>119512044
I feel like this is the truth and THK is trying his hardest to fight his own feelings.
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>>119512044
THK was tsundere for a tsundere all along.
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>>119511623
Hamazura is taken
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>>119512044
dafuq did i just read.
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>>119512382
I know, I just thought it was cute how she and Shiage would go to shitty movies together.
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>>119512382
frenda would have won the hamabowl if not for mugino
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>>119512456
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>>119512387
Index 14 picks up where the anime left off but I suggest you read 12 and 13 just because. Deep Blood also cut out a ton of shit that was in Index 2.

You can always go back and read the rest later.
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Best NT10 boss fights.

1. Silvia
2. Accel
3. Saints
4. Othinus
5. Five_Overs
6. Thor
7. USA
8. Lidvia and Sasha
9. Agnese
10. Index and Birdway
11. Mikoto
12. Marian
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>>119513388
>saints, five_overs,
>above thor
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>>119513485
Thor was good until the finale. Plus Touma trolling Kanzaki was pure gold and actually funny compared to when he teased Mikoto.
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>>119513615
That's because against Mikoto he was being an asshole.
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>>119513388
That looks about right to me, actually. I'd probably swap Mikoto and Marian for Agnese and the Russians, though.
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>>119513388
>Lidvia
Oh, I just noticed I fucked up. I mean Vasilisa.

>>119513881
There is a large gap of quality between Thor and the fights below. I'd say the order is just symbolic because those fights were almost equally disappointing.
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>>119513251
Ah the cute SOL episodes. Loved those two eps so I'll definitely start reading from 12. Much appreciated.
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>>119513388
For me:

1. Accel
2. Thor
3. Silvia
4. Othinus
5. Saints
6. Index and Birdway
7. Mikoto
8. Vasilisa and Sasha
9. Five_Overs
10. Agnese
11. Marian
12. USA
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>>119514217
I was thinking about rating these and I realized that what I probably wanted to do for everyone's chapter was rate prelude, battle, and denouement separately.

For example, I think Marian, Mikoto, and Index get satisfying conclusions to their chapters (YMMV on Mikoto), whereas Thor's kind of sucks. That's not enough to save/sink their chapters, though.

Of course, the fights that excel do all three well.

>those fights were almost equally disappointing.
I wouldn't say I was Agnese's fight was disappointing per se, but only because my expectations for her were pretty low (I mean, honestly, what can she do?)

Index and Birdway, on the other hand... well, whatever. The battle was pretty much an afterthought anyway.
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>>119514492
That's because Thor and Touma will hang out beating people together. r-right?
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>>119514492
Index and Birdway's chapter is literally a joke. As in, not so-bad-it's-a-joke, but an actual, supposed-to-be-funny comedy interlude. So it can be hardly be judged the same way you'd judge the fight with Silvia.

The only real substance to that chapter is that Birdway and Index have been / will throw their substantial magical ability behind making sure Touma can continue his quest. Everything else in that chapter - the whole thing - was just a typical series tsukkomi ramped up to high heaven.
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Do you think that Mikoto will act any differently in her next appearance considering she finally "beat" Touma? She said it felt empty, maybe that means she'll act a little more mellow?
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>>119514492
I think the prelude for Mikoto's battle was good, but the rest was terrible.

Index and Birdway's chapter only did the comedic aspect better than Mikoto's, but the rest was just as bad.

Agreed with Agnese.

Overall I still think that they were the lowest points of the novel.
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>>119514900
You can bet your ass nothing will change and their stale dynamic is going to continue.
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>>119512044
>implying thk's antics all this time hasnt simply been a misguided outlet of his intense tsundere for thundere
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>>119515047
Stop posting that, flat is justice.
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>>119514900
Depends on how stupid and hatem-bait Touma acts.
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>>119515104
>x is better with smaller boobs
>u gay
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New railgun out yet?
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>>119515206
It's a half-chapter, the entirety of which consists of Awaki trying to bring the shota home with her.

Happy New Years, Fuyukawa.
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Reminder that Mikoto is Nuit.
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>>119511276
Sound esper girl from Agitate Halation > rookie Kihara
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>>119515284
I hope we get a microphone girl story in NT SS2, she seems hilarious.
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>>119515284
looks like a slut
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>>119515245
They couldn't wait to play that angle I see.
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Birdway came off as a huge disappointment in NT10, but that's because we have been used to see her as someone important and powerful, level-headed and influential, has carried the story for several novels, and you can always expect her to have effect on the characters around her. So seeing her being reduced to a jealous girl that loses her shit for Touma's stupidity was jarring.

I wouldn't say Mikoto is a disappointment anymore in the novels. With the half-assed way Kamachi has been implementing her in the story in recent times, expecting her to have a well-written and climatic moment and a solid role in the novels would be the surprise.
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>>119515381
the harem ruins girls, it fucks with there personality also for some reason jealous tsun seems to be what kamachi thinks all of the girls should act like with touma. only itsuwa is free from that but she hasn't really seen touma with other women.
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>>119515381
>So seeing her being reduced to a jealous girl that loses her shit for Touma's stupidity was jarring.
She loses her temper, but she doesn't really do anything she wasn't going to do anyway.

>With the half-assed way Kamachi has been implementing her in the story in recent times, expecting her to have a well-written and climatic moment and a solid role in the novels would be the surprise.
Some people actually liked Heaven-Sent Child Loved by Electrons, you know.
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>dat scene in last or second to last episode when the touman and based fukiyose are about to go on a dinner deito
>tsuchimikado butts in and turns it into a class trip

I cry everytiem
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>>119515381
You're talking as if some people didn't enjoy this scene a lot. I'm well aware that plenty of people disliked it but I thought it was well done. Made me smile.
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>>119515763
I even tried to like it after a re-read, but the flaws are plentiful and I can't turn a blind eye to them.
Starting with Touma's attitude and sudden change of mood as he was about to hand Mikoto's ass to her, and Mikoto talking out of her ass and lecturing Touma about things she wasn't exactly believing from him just a moment before. All while beating a boy that wasn't trying to defend himself. The pacing didn't help because everything was fucking rushed and the behaviour of the characters with the sudden mood shifts was not believeable at all.

It wasn't well done in any way.
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>>119515381
Being the guy who has Birdway in his top 3, I was a bit disappointed in Birdway's fight, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Birdway's awesome skills and power proved itself again when she was able to make Gungnir usable to a human...with the help of Index of course, but still. Birdway wasn't taking the fight seriously, if she was then Touma would be dead in the ground. She was just testing him and helped him after she and he came to an understanding.

For Mikoto's fight, I wasn't disappointed like some were. I rather enjoyed the raw, gritty, and emotional fight and clashed of ideals the two went through. The battle echoed the situation they once had in Index volume 3, with the difference being the roles were reversed. I like the way Kamachi made use of that.
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>>119515622
>>119515763
Some people may have liked it, but it was a minority.

This is true when you remember the hype and excitement for that scene when the spoiler pics were revealed, already expected to be one of the highlights of the book. It turned out to not live up to the hype and it was merely "ok" at best for the people who liked it. Pretty much every scene with Othinus, Thor and Accel had a more positive and grand reception.
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>>119515987
>sudden change of mood
Touma broke the ice with comical teasing, but then it got serious so he got serious too. It wasn't abrupt.
>Mikoto talking out of her ass and lecturing Touma about things she wasn't exactly believing from him just a moment before
What are the hell are you talking about?
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>>119516305
>minority
>merely "ok"
Not this shit again.
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>>119516305
You don't speak for everyone, stop acting like you are.
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>>119515987
>Starting with Touma's attitude and sudden change of mood as he was about to hand Mikoto's ass to her
No, what was actually weird was Touma's weirdly chipper attitude throughout the novel up until then. There's been a continuous theme of Touma having lost his confidence throughout all of New Testament, the high point of which was Will kicking his ass in NT 9, but Thor and Mikoto had to get him to suck it up in NTs 5 and 3 as well.

Will dumped a bucket of cold water on his head and got him to pick up and start moving forward again, but I'm supposed to act surprised when it turns out that he still felt bad about wiping out millions of smiling faces after all? He killed Agnese's parents all over again, that's not the thing you can just shrug off... well, you can, but it's not weird when you can't.

>Mikoto talking out of her ass
She understood enough to back what she said.
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>Dem arguments and claims that THK always say
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>>119516336
>It wasn't abrupt.
Him breaking down and feeling guilty over the omega world, out of fucking nowhere.

>What are the hell are you talking about?
Mikoto wasn't understanding anything about theshit Touma was telling to her, and even tried to ignore it. But when it is time for her to be in the right in order to moralfag Touma she suddenly talks as if she is an expert on the matter and lectures him about shit she has no idea about, shit that she had half-assedly heard from Touma and isn't able to grasp the magnitude of it, and wasn't even trying to believe it in the first place.
Contrived writing at its finest.
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>>119516545
We've already shown in this thread that he's just massively tsundere for the thundere
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>>119516396
>>119516401
I speak for the people who post in /a/. Do yourself a favor and lurk back those threads in the archive.
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>>119516687
/a/ speaks for /a/. You don't speak for anyone other than yourself. We could do a by-the-numbers analysis on the archive threads if would get you to shut the fuck up once and for all.
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>>119516600
“And during that time… Oh, dammit. I thought I’d gotten over this, but I just can’t make up my mind. At any rate, a lot happened. So very much happened. …For example, would you believe this? I saw all 20,000 Sisters alive and attending a festival together. You didn’t have to suffer at all and all of you were smiling together as friends. That era really happened. And this wasn’t an illusion or suggestion and it wasn’t a parallel world or dream. This world truly did have that happy era!!”

Mikoto only looked dubious.

It was not that she was forgiving him. It did not feel real to her. That was why she did not get angry. It was horribly unfair of him to assume that meant she had accepted his actions.

So…

“I destroyed all those people’s happiness to come back here. It wasn’t just you. To come back here, I rejected a world where all 6 billion people were perfectly saved!”

“I don’t have the slightest clue what you’re talking about.”

“The very fact that you don’t shows that I’ve trampled on your dignity!!”

Mikoto had tried to let it slide with a vague smile, so he shouted out to grab her attention and spoke clearly.

“I’ll try to understand. I’ll work to understand what exactly you gained and what you lost!! But I need Othinus for that. No, if you learn the truth and remember that happy era, you might stop hating Othinus. And then you could easily turn that hatred toward me. You may not understand, but you shouldn’t make up your mind and forgive me until you do!!”

“You…?”
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>>119516722
Why are Mikotofags so touchy and take everything so personal?

I could say the same things about other characters and fans wouldn't get their panties in a bunch like you do.
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>>119516789
“Of course, I don’t want to destroy myself anymore. I know all too well that I’m not some chosen hero. If…If it’s at all possible that we can all live happily together in this world, then I want to. But that’s exactly why I have to settle everything and pay for all my sins. And her testimony is needed for that! I can’t avoid the issue by letting her die here and be hidden from public view!! I can’t return to a peaceful city after that!! I have so much I have to pay for!! I may even have done more than Othinus!!”

Naturally, Misaka Mikoto did not understand the true feelings behind Kamijou Touma’s cries.

Without sharing the same time as him, that was unavoidable.

“There was a world where all 20,000 Sisters were saved and everyone could smile without grief?”

Mikoto had a certain thought as she grasped a fragment of what had spilled from Kamijou’s mouth.

“After everything, why would you cling to a convenient and terribly naïve world like that!!!?”

Part 3

If all six billion people could smile, that would certainly be best for the world.

No option could be better and that should be prioritized above all else.

Ultimately, Kamijou had overcome that “ultimate argument” with his personal hopes and desires, but he had yet to bring himself to directly defeat that “ultimate argument”.

If he had to choose right or wrong, the answer Othinus had shown him was definitely “right”.

He had wanted to reject that answer even if it meant bearing the sin of being “wrong”.

That had been the truth.

Or it should have been.

“Do you really think that’s the same thing as saving people?”

Misaka Mikoto walked straight toward him through the snow.

A different sort of anger was clearly visible in her eyes.

“There’s no set definition of happiness. As soon as you unify everything under a single set of values, the next round of misfortune and discrimination has already begun.”

An explosive noise burst out as Misaka Mikoto’s fist struck Kamijou Touma at close range.
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>>119516812
It's because no other character in the entire series gets even a tenth of the shit that Mikoto does.
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>>119516812
When you resort to blatantly lying there's simply no point in assuming good faith anymore. And there's nobody in these threads who has earned the loss of that respect more than you have (although you seem to magically get it back at the start of the threads, even after spamming and samefagging the shit out of them).

Now put on your big girl panties and respond to the substance of the posts, or fuck off.
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>>119516812
>>119516687
>W-Why are people touchy when I'm trolling
THK pls. This dance was old year ago.
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>>119516831
Bluish-white sparks flew from her arm as she spoke.

“I don’t know what happened to you. I can’t even imagine it. You’ve probably seen a deeper part of the world than I have while staying in Academy City.”

Her legs moved and he jumped back, fearing having his legs swept out from under him.

“But that doesn’t mean you’re right 100% of the time. No one has to accept what you say.”

He could not relax just by gaining some distance between them, so he immediately crouched down and thrust his fist toward the pure-white snow.

Bluish-white sparks burst from her feet in every direction and Imagine Breaker just barely negated the high-voltage current even more intense than a train track’s overhead wires.

“Even if a big bang happened right this instant, the world and universe were remade from scratch, people lived there with no crimes, sins, or mistakes whatsoever, and someone named Misaka Mikoto ignorantly smiled there…!!”

Centered on her clenched fist, a tremendous amount of sparks burst from her entire body.

“That doesn’t change the fact that I took more than 10,000 lives in the past! Even if everything and everyone is saved a second from now and all the documents are rewritten, I don’t want to run from my sins!!”

For an instant – just an instant – Kamijou Touma’s thoughts came to a stop.

And that was when the second wave arrived.

A high-voltage current expanded along the surface of the snowscape and attacked his feet that were buried in the snow.

“Gah!?”

“There’s no such thing as a perfect world.”

He felt a pressure around his heart and his footing grew unsteady, but Mikoto grabbed his collar to support him when he started to fall.
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>>119516930
“Even if it looks perfect on the surface, you’ll find something twisted if you look at it differently. It was the same with the #1’s experiment. You wouldn’t accept it when I said my way would make everyone happy! If you understood it back then, why did you change your mind now!?”

After a sound like a swinging metal baseball bat, her forehead slammed into his.

(Not good.)

But it was too late.

A lightning spear of a billion volts produced a tremendous noise as it stabbed into Kamijou’s head from point blank range.

“Vwah!? Agwah!!”

As he lay in the snow, his limbs trembled and he could not get up properly. His heart, brain, and nerves all cried out in pain.

“Those six billion people were swallowed up!! That was a world where a single set of values was forced on them all and they were only allowed to smile!! Anyone who doesn’t smile is treated like they don’t belong!! If you see something like that, you aren’t supposed to sit there looking jealous!! No matter how painful and hard it is and even if you’re all alone, isn’t it your role to clench your fist and say it’s wrong!?”

Misaka Mikoto did not hold back.

She climbed on top of the collapsed boy’s stomach, grabbed his collar with both hands, violently shook his head, and shouted at close range.

“You came back to this world? You sacrificed everyone else to do so? If so, you aren’t supposed to envy what you turned your back on!! You’re supposed to be glad you returned to this world! Even if it’s imperfect and incomplete, you should be glad you were born into this world!! You should be proud of that fact!!”

As if twisting his neck, he desperately looked up at her face.
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>>119516974
“Of course…I’m going to change my mind,” he spat out. “You were smiling. You may not remember, but in that golden world, you were truly happy and smiling!! When I see that, I’ll attack my previous thoughts and admit I was wrong!! I’m not some stuffed animal on a conveyer belt!! If I know continuing on will drop me off a cliff, I’ll readily change my beliefs or ideals!!”

A great sound burst out as Misaka Mikoto swung down her fist.

Something split within his mouth, his cheek felt oddly hot, his right eyelid was swollen, but he continued shouting and ignored the fist as it swung down again and again.

“I’m just a high school student! I’m not the 47 Ronin from the Chushingura!! I’ll change what I say any number of times based on what I think is best at the time!! Even if I said something different three days ago and even if I’m saying the exact opposite, it’s still a win as long as someone is smiling in the very end!!”

Hearing that, Mikoto gave a thin smile and stopped her fist.

“Oh, so you do understand.”

“…?”

“There’s no reason to fall off the cliff while bound by meaningless principles and ideologies. If you’re reaching for the happiness you alone believe in, it’s fine to choose the best arguments for the situation. It doesn’t matter if you have to spit on your own words, as long as it all works out in the end.”


Mikoto looked Kamijou Touma directly in the eye.

“So there’s nothing saying you have to bear the weight of my future or the fate of six billion people to the point of your own destruction.”

She spoke and smiled while sitting on top of him in the snow.

She reached her arms around to his back in a gentle embrace.

And a moment later, a tremendous high-voltage current burst from her body and his consciousness was finally blown away.

Just before everything fell to darkness, he thought he heard her speak.

“This is the first time I’ve beaten you… It’s a lot emptier than I thought it would be.”
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>>119516812
>Why are Mikotofags so touchy and take everything so personal?
"I think Mikoto is shit." - OK
"Mikoto is shit." - OK
"A lot of people think Mikoto is shit." - OK
"Mikoto is badly written and a bad character." - OK
"I speak for all of /a/ when I say that Mikoto is shit." - Fuck off. This conversation is over.
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>>119517022
Part 4

The world flickered before Kamijou’s eyes.

He grimaced as a pain stabbed from the back of his eyes and directly to his brain and his mind quickly came into focus. He was still lying in the snow, but he could not feel the cold. Only after coughing and somehow managing to sit up did he realize Misaka Mikoto was quietly sitting right next to him.

“Are you awake now?”

“Yeah,” he groaned.

In that infinite hell, the Will of the Sisters had saved him by saying he could pursue his own selfishness over the ideal of saving the world.

And now he had been taught that humans were not so simple that saving the world and recreating it into a convenient form was enough to make everyone unconditionally happy.

He began to wonder what he had been doing all this time and he slowly stood up amid the snow.

“Sorry, Misaka. I’ll be going.”

“Because you have to?”

“No.” He wiped the snow off of his back and hips. “Because I want to.”

Hearing that, Mikoto gave a small shrug and showed a different smile from before.

“Then how about you get going?”

“What, you aren’t going to stop me?”

“I can’t. I may have easily beaten you ten minutes ago, but I doubt I could beat you now no matter what I did.”

He turned his back on Mikoto and walked off into that white world once more.

He did not turn around, but he waved a hand in parting. She watched him leave for a while but finally let out a white sigh.

There was a simple reason why she had not said she was going with him.

“Now, then.”

She stood up and walked in the opposite direction of him.

She heard a grinding noise. She had used Academy City’s Level 5 #3's ability to hack in from the outside, but all the Five Overs were gradually breaking free of those electronic chains.

This was a modern battle.

The girl gave a ferocious smile while facing the weapons sent to reliably destroy a certain boy.

“I think it’s about time to do my part.”
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Girl in dress is best girl
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>>119516428
>She understood enough to back what she said.
And her speech wasn't convincing. It didn't have that "punch" to it that would leave an impression like Kamachi intended to do. It was pretty underwhelming mostly due to the fact that there wasn't a proper build up to it and the delivering was unremarkeable.

It would have been different if she truly knew about Touma's suffering and the time he spent fighting with Othinus. That would have made her speech more personal, down-to-earth and less shallow.
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>you now realize mikoto's argument in NT10 was pretty much this gif
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>>119517028
>"I speak for all of /a/ when I say that Mikoto is shit.
The post didn't even said that.

Stay classy and illiterate. It's not wonder these threads turn to shit with people like you around.
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>>119517121
Touma: I destroyed "Misaka Mikoto's happiness. If you understood, you would hate me.
Misaka: Even if Othinus did something to make a world where a "Misaka Mikoto" lived carefree and innocent, I don't want that. I'm proud of who I am.
Touma: You didn't see what I did. In that world, you really were happy. I'm the worst.
Misaka: Stop being so hard on yourself. I'm here now, and so are you.

Nothing about this conversation requires that Misaka understand infinity hells to have it.
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>>119517121
I thought that the speech was very well written. Mikoto was very emotional about it, and Touma had an emotional reaction to it. I also thought that Mikoto smiling and letting Touma go off and do what he needed to do was nice, as well as her staying back to keep the Five Overs from interfering.
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>>119517207
>I speak for the people who post in /a/.
These threads turn to shit because you bait people with reasonable arguments and switch them for mindless shittery always through.

I don't even know why I still give you the time of day.
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>>119517346
me too and the way I remember it /a/ really got into it when that scene was released. It got re-posted tones of times.
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>>119517425
Yeah, most of the posts that I saw against it were blatant shit like "What a fucking bitch shocking Touma wow".
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>>119517028
>>119516925
>>119516911
>>119516853
>>119516722
What the fuck is your problem? The post wasn't even being hostile or hateful towards Mikoto, yet you jump on the guy and hater label. Why the fuck can't you just ignore shit or discuss shit civilly? Why do you have to turn every thread into a battleground just for one poster who wasn't praising Mikoto and was still posting politely about it even for /a/ standards?

Heck, exactly the same argument was made for Misaki in NT11 in the previous thread. Why were you not bitching about it like you do here?
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>>119517282
The dialogue would have been better with those simple words, honestly. I would have liked it better isntead of the near-pretentious speech she gave to him.
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>>119517604
leaving Mikoto out of it, anyone who anonymously claims to speak for an entire anonymous forum is going to receive flack for it.
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>>119517604
I didn't give him any shit until he claimed to speak for /a/ and pointed to a thread that was - at best - evenly split to make it look like he had a consensus. He had been shitting on Misaka for fifty posts before that without anyone really getting mad.

It's the same retarded untrue shit he's trotted out dozens of times to make it look like /a/ is on his side.
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>>119517604
I was never hostile in any of my posts. I just said that no other character gets even a tenth of the shit that mikoto does. Which is true, by the way. It gets annoying when people try and take moments from the novels that include Mikoto and say that they're bad, or mediocre.
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>>119517744
But he still says some truth, because the scene didn't live up to the hype and pretty much was overshadowed by the highlights of the book.

The conclusion of the novel got more shit than anything else in the book, though.
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>>119517829
Maybe for you. It was my favorite part of the novel. Don't speak for me.
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>>119517604
>Defending trolling claims
>Said claims are exactly the same as a certain well known shitposter
Hmmm.
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>>119517782
Oh boy. Touma-hate from animeonlyfags used to derail entire threads when Railgun S was airing.
So no, Mikoto is not special in that regard.
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>>119517863
mine too.
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so some people don't like it and some people do. the reasons for these opinions tend to be invisible for the other party. lets just leave it at that
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>>119517863
I'm not speaking for you. Fucking hell. I'm merely saying that the scene was overhyped before the translation, and other parts of the book (namely everything involvig Othinus, Saints, Accel) were generally considered the highlights and got the more positive reactions compared to everything else in the book.
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>>119517975
You'll take your character assassination, and you'll like it!

Until the ass gets bored and/or finds another tsundere to shit on. So how are those Inou Battle threads?
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>>119518129
Ok.
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>>119517870
Exaggerated and obvious bait, but some points are valid. There is no reason to dismiss everything as trolling. See >>119518129
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>>119517756
>helicopter in top left
nice
I approve of this
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>>119518169
>Inou Battle
Terrible series that was already forgotten by /a/.
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>>119518252
that best bait always as bits of truth, on that note i don't think these post are bait. i think thk stuff has people chasing shadows.
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>you will never hug Misaka

i just want to die.
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>>119517829
Whenever he wants to argue facts, I'm down for it, against my better judgment. I don't even care if he pretends to be separate people unless he's doing it to imply some sort of false consensus. But if he's just going to pretend he speaks for /a/ I'm going to call him a shit.

Getting back to those facts, it so happens that there are no current assertions outstanding that I feel the need to argue against (either that I've already responded and not received a reply,) so that part of the discussion isn't happening.
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>>119518522
She would probably shock the shit out of us friend. It's for the best, we don't have Imagine Breaker. Look at what It would be like, anon. Wearing your clothes too.
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daily reminder that biribiri is a minor and if you're sexually attracted to her; you are a pedophile
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>>119511503
>Like the one who could use part of accels abilities
You mean no one?
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>>119518638
Cute. Now we just gotta wait for someone to translate the new nae one.
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>>119518598
People claim to speak for /a/ here all the time. It isn't unique to him, Raildex threads or /a/ in general, even.
The difference is that you feel offended when it is about Mikoto. As I said earlier, the exact same argument happened with Misaki in the previous thread, with that guy claiming nobody liked NT11 and her scenes with Touma. And it was argued relatively civilly. Why can't you do the same?
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>>119518638
not a mikotofan in general but that doujin is so fucking adorable
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other then stabilizing it and making it permanent. how did being LPSaD improve fiamma or the holy right? he could already one shot people and he couldn't one shot touma because ib threw off holy right's damage calculator.
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>>119517346
She's still a bitch for punching and shocking him unconscious.

That was absolutely unnecessary and shows the terrible double standards behind Mikoto's character writing.

So Touma is not allowed to even lay a finger on her, but she can beat the shit out of him all she wants and get away with it. Everything works out for her. She never has to face consequences for her actions. She is the little miss perfect who is allowed to do what she wants and go to the most dangerous battlefields fighting against people who would shred her to pieces without even trying, and she somehow manages not only to survive and not lose the fight, but to come out unscathed and without a single scratch, when pretty much every other character is sent to the hospital and/or suffers some permanent damage.

I still facepalm at the Brunhild fight and how she was able to dodge Brunhild's first attack, before she started taking advantage of the huge metal sword and the iron sand. The battle should have been over there, but since it is Mikoto and we can't have her get hurt, the plot armor has to amp up to retarded levels.
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>>119518882
>People claim to speak for /a/ here all the time.
And they get shit all the time, unless a it's near universal statement like "/a/ dislike streaming", and even then you get people up in arms about it.

>As I said earlier, the exact same argument happened with Misaki in the previous thread, with that guy claiming nobody liked NT11 and her scenes with Touma.
He said that most people who weren't Misakifags thought they were average.
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>>119518971
They make my chest hurt, you don't have to be a Mikoto fan to recognize the cuteness. This is my favorite one though, because while it's super cute the author at least had Mikoto admit that Touma didn't care about her romantically.
>>119519050
LPSaD pretty much gave Fiamma the same power as the Archangel Michael, who was said to be equal to god.
>>119519063
I don't think Touma ever really wanted to hit her. She was the one doing what he normally does, nothing less, nothing more. Touma didn't seem to mind. Also, with Brunhild, she's a level 5, she's pretty damn strong, her radar is overpowered as fuck.
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>>119519063
>So Touma is not allowed to even lay a finger on her
Touma is allowed to do whatever he likes. He didn't feel like punching out Misaka, so he didn't do that. He's allowed to do that too.
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>>119519063
Touma is never going to punch Mikoto, if he was going to he would have done it a long time ago. This is the closest you're going to get.
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>>119519171
>He said that most people who weren't Misakifags thought they were average.
It's the same as saying that
>it was merely "ok" at best for the people who liked it
Referring to Mikoto's scene.
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>>119519445
No, the first guy is saying that Misakifags thought it was good, and non-Misakifags thought it was okay. The second guy is saying that Mikoto thought it was okay, and non-Mikotofags thought it sucked.

It's a downgrade in both departments.
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>>119519234
>>119519322
>>119519418
>don't get the point

Touma himself has very little say on it. Kamachi, under fan and editor pressure, would never allow him to punch Mikoto, despite the fact that he has no problems punching other people who do less shit than her, like Tsuchimikado in NT7.
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>>119519574
>muh editor boogieman
>muh fans
>implying Kamachi doesn't like Mikoto
Stop.
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>>119519573
I'm referring to the level of generalization in both statements. And he wasn't particularly fond of NT11 either and was baiting that Misakifag just like in here.
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>>119519574
Tsuchimikado decided that he was going to let Touma beat him unconscious. It's a fight he could have easily avoided if he wanted.

Plus all three morons have probably punched each other out dozens of times anyway.

>Touma himself has very little say on it
None of the characters have any say in anything, but we generally ignore that fact unless they're acting majorly out of character.
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>>119519684
Are you implying Kamachi doesn't like the characters that get punched in by Touma?
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>>119519769
Kamachi likes to get Touma punched actually.
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>>119519769
No, but why does Touma need to punch Mikoto? What exactly would it change in the story? There is no reason for him to punch her in the face, ever.
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>>119519744
>Tsuchimikado decided
We're talking about Touma here.

>>119519833
That is just the tip of the iceberg for Mikoto. Refer to the general writing behind her character pointed out previously and see how she's the most hypocritical and double standardized character in the series.
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>>119519833
it's not that she needs to get punched by touma she just avoids being damage heavy in all of her fights. it really takes the tension out of things with her.
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>>119519234
this is making my heart and chest hurt
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>>119520008
>We're talking about Touma here.
Tsuchimikado attacked him. He responded in self-defense. What did you want him to do, pull the same NT 3 "I won't fight back" stunt?

Mikoto attacks in him in NT 10, sure, but she only attacks him because he had temporarily become a spineless fish who needed a bucket of water dumped on his head. In a state like that it makes sense that he wouldn't be fighting back.
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>>119520008
I'm honestly not sure what you mean
>>119520009
Maybe that's just her not sucking? Also, she doesn't ever fight anyone that's too far out of her weightclass. Most of the time when someone gets injured fighting, it's because they fought someone that was strong as fuck. Mikoto is a good fighter, and she doesn't try and fight people like Ollerus or Fiamma or Accelerator on the daily.
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>>119519234
>Mikoto will never stop being a bitch to Touma
>Mikoto will never be full dere

Those doujins are always so out of character for me to take them seriously.
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>>119519744
There was no way that Tsuchimikado was winning that fight, his body was at his limits.

If he won it should've been bullshit anyway, since he shouldn't be able to touch Touma.
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>>119520203
Realistically speaking, Brunhild should have killed her in the first strike.
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>>119520118
That's a natural reaction anon.
>>119520215
The one you responded to is actually more in character than most, she understands that he doesn't care about her more than anyone else. She herself is pretty OOC though, but that's to be expected in a doujin.
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>>119520231
>There was no way that Tsuchimikado was winning that fight, his body was at his limits.
The reason Tsuchi got his ass kicked was because his mind was at his limit, not his body. If instead of punching at Touma in a fight he was using only to vent his despair, he was fighting to save someone from murdering Maika, you can bet your ass that he wouldn't have hesitated to use real techniques.

"No matter how injured you might be and no matter what situation you might be in, you are not someone so weak you would lose to the likes of me!!”
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>>119520203
true she generally gets enemies even most of her railgun enemies only had a fight at all because she was holding back severely.
but then you get stuff like the fights against mugino, who to mikoto's credit is gimped because most humans couldn't take even a weak laser blast. accel who redirects everything back at the enemy sending shit all over the place. brunhild not using magic at all. the few times when mikoto fights strong people they do stupid things. same thing happens with hamazura but he has been fucked up a number of times.
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>>119520148
He even said to her that he would prefer not to punch her, but he would have not problems doing it if it came down to it.

He also could have punched her here.
Crazy bitch was trying to cut him apart with the iron sand.
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>>119519063
>before she started taking advantage of the huge metal sword and the iron sand.
She had the iron sand up before Brunhild even started moving. It's not like she launched a surprise attack on her, she had time to lazily chat with Thor as she approached so she almost certainly had the time to lay down the sand as well.
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>>119520380
Touma losing to Tsuchimikado would be still plot induced stupidity, since Touma survived through some much bullshit. He should tickle him at best.
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>>119520317
In your opinion, I guess.
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>>119511843
Bump.
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>>119520596
not him but the sand came later

On the road at the top level of the multilevel overpass that had an unnatural absence of cars, Misaka Mikoto and Brunhild Eiktobel faced each other.
This too may have been a historic moment.
On one side was Misaka Mikoto the Railgun, one of the top ranked espers created by the science side.
On the other side was Brunhild Eiktobel who possessed the innate characteristics of a Saint that were exceedingly rare even on the magic side.
They were about to clash.
For a battle that was brought about by coincidence, it threatened to have great effects to both the magic side and science side.
However, the battle was overwhelmingly one-sided.
Academy City espers may have possessed quite a bit of power, but Brunhild Eiktobel possessed the rare qualities of a Christian Saint. And on top of that, she also possessed the rare qualities of a Norse Valkyrie. The two abilities worked against each other and the upper limit of her power changed over a set period like the waxing and waning of the moon. However, she did not currently appear to be having any problems related to that.
And there was a problem that came before trivial differences in power.
Brunhild Eiktobel could reach a top speed that exceeded the speed of sound.
And she brought out that top speed from the very first step.
By the time the explosive noise rang out, it was already too late.
From the perspective of one’s bodily senses, Brunhild seemed to just disappear. And since she was moving faster than sound, one could never react in time based on sound.
Brunhild Eiktobel charged up to a point right in front of Mikoto and vigorously swung up the claymore hanging down from one hand.
She also twisted her wrist to lay the giant sword down flat as she swung it.
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>>119520667
The only other times he had to fight masters of CQC were Ingrid and Thor, and they both kicked his ass up and down the block.

>>119520758
Touma himself disappears from the world and everyone forgets about him.
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>>119511843
>Later, it was explained that before the series started Touma got partial amnesia and lost the ability to remember anything about one particular person.
That's wrong, it was that Touma could remember everything except one particular person (Misaki), which is still in effect after Index wiped his memory. He still forgets her after every meeting.
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>>119520806
>(A broad-use electric type? So did she use some kind of radar? No, this is…!!)
>Iron sand had been thinly spread all across the road surface.
>Even if Brunhild Eiktobel’s movements exceeded the limits of the girl’s kinetic vision, she could clearly see what path Brunhild had taken thanks to her footprints.

This is Brunhild wondering how Misaka managed to react to her very first attack.
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>156 replies
>24 posters

Wow. How can you spend so much time talking about the exact same shit over and over again.
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>>119520855
Yes, that's what he said.
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>>119520898
wait she didn't use radar she used foot prints? how does she even have the time to see the foot prints before she gets attacked? even guessing the path from the initial foot prints would be way too luck based to utilize.
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>>119520680
No. While Mikoto may be able to react to supersonic speeds, her body is still human and can't keep up with that. She can do absolutely nothing about Brunhild punching her face in at supersonic speed, or using magic on her. The whole fight was just a plot armor fest for Mikoto.
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>>119520822
Let's look at this objectively.

Touma got up from:
Being blasted from a flying fortress that calculated just the right amount for destroying an human body.

Beatdown from Carissa, both physically and magically (when she used the dimensional wreckage)

Beatdown from Accelerator and Touma's body wasn't even functioning correctly.

Only gimped by a magic that should've given him organ failure.

Tanked the shockwave from a dust explosion.

Tanked a bunker cluster bomb that exploded almost under his feet.

Tanked a dozen of shockwaves from Accel black wings.

I get the Thor case, since maybe he was also using the belt of strength and he has that bullshit spell, but Ingrid victory was fucking bullshit, especially since Touma's precog kept him from dying against Rensa.
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>>119521150
Ok Kamachi-sama.
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>>119521122
Tracers are infinitely easier to see than bullets, even those ten times the speed of sound.

>>119521150
She doesn't block with her hands, she blocks with her head.
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>>119521202
nah the strength belt had thor pick up a bridge, he would have killed touma in the first blow if he was using that.

>>119521150
plot armor happens anon. ain't nothing the viewer can complain about. usually the absence of it would produce the opposite of the result the story needs
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>>119521202
You're in fundamental disagreement with Kamachi here, then, who says that Touma still loses to soldiers.

The way I see it is that Touma's strengths are unreal endurance and perfect instinct, but his actual offensive output is pretty poor.

It's like a fighting game where the "Touma" character has 10x the HP of other characters and is being played by the god of fighting games, but I'm playing the "Tsuchi" character who gets attacks that outrange everything Touma has and whose frames allow me to just jam dial-A repeatedly and win.

(Incidentally, Touma is still top tier, because he autowins versus the characters who only have specials.)
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>>119521017
it's just a fun series to talk about
characters and concepts are interesting enough to discuss
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>>119521555
It's true that Tsuchimikado is more skilled, but it doesn't matter after this:

>Rensa used her cyborg body to charge up to Kamijou at supersonic speeds. She swung the white wings on her back to the right and left simultaneously. That boy should not have been able to do anything. The speed was one problem, but she had also changed her settings to eliminate all slight changes to her expression and the surface of her body. In other words, Kamijou could not use the precognition he had gained via experience.

>However…

>Kamijou Touma’s body sank down as if they had arranged it ahead of time.

>Rensa was moving at such tremendous speed that he could never have made it in time if he had started moving after seeing what she was doing. Yet the boy accurately waited for Rensa as if he had foreseen her exact actions.


If a fighter going at supersonic speed didn't manage to tag Touma, how the hell can Tsuchimikado do it?

I know that I'm in disagreement with Kamachi, but holy shit.
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