>>119309584 >Japan's declining population Why do people keep making it sound like that's a problem? They are over-populated, not underpopulated.
Their real problem is the aging of the population, but if you wish to solve that by breeding, you're running into a never-ending explosion of population, which of course cannot work.
In the age of increasing automation, the real way is to accept that the average age goes up and that machines take over labor that was previously done by humans. That requires a new economical system, but ours is running on its last legs anyway.
>>119309584 Clearly yes because: >Retardations are mutations >Evolution means slowly mutating based on your environment and needs >Therefore retard babies have a chance of evolving faster >Japanese übermenchs society rures over the worduru as they are the pinnacle of evolution
No,the solution is to reform their retarded immigration laws. Right now they base citizenship on "blood". Basically youre only japanese if one of your parents is ethnically Japanese who were born in japan. So even if you wereborn in Japan and lived there all tyour life and both parents are citizens, both if neither parent is Japanese you arent citizen.
>>119311693 Not really, there's enough racial differentiation within a given population to prevent bottlenecking. You must realize that even incest within one generation doesn't yield exceptionally high chances of defects or emergence of negative recessive traits, unless it's between twins. It's just that incest is taboo.
I think rape is the answer. I remember a doujin where it's a bunch of high school girls that pretty much could be fucked at ANY time. There's a hilarious page where the track team chases after a girl to fuck her.
Incest doesn't work for Japan as population strategy since they mostly don't even have 2 children per couple so the child would have to H it up with their parent and especially in the mother's case she'd be too old and birth down's. And in few generations they'd be rife with hereditary diseases.
>>119310576 I'm so envious of Japan simply because they haven't been brainwashed by "progressiveness" and pressured into letting every fucking retard who arrives into the country. America has become a shithole for specifically this reason. They should have stopped letting immigrants in after that initial wave in the early 1900s.
>>119312350 In monozygotic twins of the opposite sex, the female twin will be infertile. This is because monozygotic twins of the opposite sex only occur when the zygote starts off as male (XY), followed by one of the zygotes losing it's Y-chromosome, which results in an infertile female baby with only 1 X chromosome.
All this aside, a hypothetical baby would not be a clone in the sense that it would not look identical to mom/dad, since it might exhibit recessive genes both parents possess but do not exhibit, due to the nature of sexual reproduction.
>>119320873 >The physician who practiced his autopsy stated that his body "did not contain a single drop of blood; his heart was the size of a peppercorn; his lungs corroded; his intestines rotten and gangrenous; he had a single testicle, black as coal, and his head was full of water."
Why is /a/ so spiteful toward this brilliant mind?
Can't you goy - guys - realize, that if Japan forsakes its xenophobic views on immigration, that will benefit not only their society, but you personally as well. If they welcome immigrants with open arms, as every country should in the 21'st century, that will open the door for you to enjoy the highschool life you've always wanted! Imagine, going to a beautiful, exotic, multicultural Japan, living your life in peace surrounded by cute girls and even finding your dream wife there. It can become reality. It doesn't need to be a dream. All that is required, is change. Change for the better.
>>119320180 >Initial wave of immigrants >early 1900s Are you retarded or do you simply not know anything about American history? America is built upon immigration and large amounts of immigration has happened since the 17th century. The problem is not the immigration itself, immigration has worked very well for a long time. The fucking problem is that after the new trend of progressive tolerance means that the newest waves of immigrants are refusing to assimilate into the culture and latch onto the special snowflake bullshit that progressiveness pushes. Rest assured though, this problem always corrects itself with time. After just 1 or 2 generations an immigrant's original culture is pretty much lost.
>>119321513 That's the point I was trying to make. When my family immigrated, they immediately tried to be americans. Immigrants for the last 20-30 years or so are entitled shitheads who refuse to change, to the point where fucking voting ballots are in Spanish.
>>119321654 >Immigrants for the last 20-30 years or so are entitled shitheads who refuse to change, That's usually the case when they don't find a place in society. Quite often they are put into separate districts where they live among others of their heritage and the only thing they get from the country they immigrated to is low paying shitty jobs. I'm not in support of immigration, but if people feel like they are part of a community, they feel inclined to adapt to that community.
>>119310576 So? That keeps niggers, coreans, slavshits and other scum out. It's not like murka, where illegals can mooch off of the gubermint, get driver's licenses and vote or yoroppa where you can kill white people in broad day light and get away scott free.
Honestly, Japan is the only country on Earth that's actually fit for living. Just look at murka with its retarded immigration laws, common core, feminism, censorship, lolbertards, false flags and other shit. Look at yoroppa with its sandnigger loving, black dick gobblers of a population or Russia with commieblocks and Putin warmongering and annexing territories and having a tottering economy and plunging ruble as a result of that, or China with its pollution problem and communism, or South Korea always living in fear of being nuked by the fatty up north. Japan got no niggers, well except in roppongi, but you're not gonna be able to see them much unless you really want to, unlike in the US or yoroppa, no femanazis, no pollution problems, no common core no bullshit, so if you're a skilled worker, you might be able to land a job there and get a citizenship if you really want to and forget about the nightmare that is America, yoroppa or russia or whatever shithole you come from.
>>119321513 That is legitimately retarded. I know for a fact that in the 19th century there were still still enclaves of dutch speaking areas in the United States. New Amsterdam (or York if you will) only became a British Colony in the late 17th century.
>>119322116 Except for the fact that nippon has the most fucked up business culture known to man, is run by old geezers, follows retarded laws on pornograpghy (though britbongs are catching up) and is filled with males who don't even know how to act like a fucking man if their life depended on it.
I'll be taking it easy in yurop stroking my BWC to 2D's while you actually live in the shithole the 2D's are drawn
>>119321513 >immigration Well, ain't that work out great, moron. Look where it got America. America is now a fucking shithole full of niggers, spics and jews who run it. White people will be a minority by 2050. Yay immigration!
no, the solution is to get all the young people to move out of the cities in the western/south half the country and move up into the north half of the country. Japan is for all purposes unpopulated north of Tokyo, excepting Sendai and Sapporo. Cheaper living in the lower population density areas and some economic development into logging, mining, and farming, will make young people feel secure enough to get married and have children.
>>119322373 >immigration gets people into the country >that is bad because it gets people into the country At least put your criticism into words instead of assuming that everybody shares your feelings about what certain things mean.
>>119321513 >>119310576 immigration doesn't grow the economy. you allow immigration when your economy is growing and labor is in demand. you'll just get a bunch of aficans, SEasians, indians, muslims, and latinos. They'll all demand welfare monies, special treatment like things published in their original language. Just look at europe. They have been trying to prop up their economies through immigration of third worlders for decades. It has been a failure, even to the point of the pro immigration parties admitting it. the immigrants are a drain on the economy and cause increases in crime.
>>119322299 >Except for the fact that nippon has the most fucked up business culture known to man They have the world's third biggest economy, in spite of almost two decades of stagnation. They must be doing something right. >is run by old geezers Like every country in the world and in all of history. >follows retarded laws on pornograpghy Can't argue with that one. >and is filled with males who don't even know how to act like a fucking man if their life depended on it. What is manly? Being prone to violence? Fucking lots of women? American 'urban youths' are very manly, then. I'll take the herbivores over them.
>>119322711 >to the point of the pro immigration parties admitting it. It's always been my understanding that left wing supports immigration for humanitarian reasons (and accepts the financial trouble that comes with it) while the right wing disapproves it.
> Could incest be the solution to Japan's declining population?
how? that would create retard babies
I actually admire japan even more for their declining population. I salute the herbivore men who choose not to be in relationships. if i am not mistaken, they are the chief reason the population of japan is declining.
>>119322557 Niggers didn't 'immigrate', they were enslaved and were supposed to have no rights and pick fucking cotton all their niggery life, but now since we got rid of apartheid, niggers feel right at home sticking up stores and living on welfare and liberals are so proud of them that they even want more niggers to come to the states in order to enrich America and also trying to take away guns while they're at it. And mexishits? Fuck them. They now got more rights than citizens. Why the fuck should a person that was working hard all their life trying to enter the US legally have less rights than some mexican fucking fuckup who hopped over the border and can legally drive cars and be adored by liberals? What the fuck is this shit? >>119322557 I'm not against immigration, doofus. I'm against encouraging illegal immigration, that's what the kikes and liberals do.
>>119322793 That's not immigration. That's about taking in refugees. Most right wing parties were in favor of immigration three decades back because it decreased the cost of labor and most left wing parties were opposed because it would weaken the Unions and lessen the societal solidarity that is needed for welfare to be handed out.
well, minorities have more kids than white people, and that's because minorities(hispanics and blacks) tend to be uneducated. They have kids despite living in poor conditions. Only a dumb fuck would have kids while living in poverty.
>>119323179 Try not to cum inside? Oh wait, I forgot niggers are too stupid and don't know where babies come from, they just go m-muh dik over DA BOOTY and bam they got a nigglet who needs moneh fo dem programs.
>>119310576 Japan is a great country with an actual seance of identity and a single culture, and it is better for it.
Now look at other countries and how shit the "multi-cultural" thing makes them.
People have no common ground on which to view things, are always on guard and alienated from one an other. Sometimes they don't even have a core language to function around.
And because people don't have the same core values and feel alienated it causes them to look for those things in the wrong place and spreads crime and in extreme cases creates terrorists.
A little bit of immigration over decades or centuries is fine, when the immigrants are fully ready to integrate in to the culture they are moving to.
But when huge numbers move to a country over just a few uses and they refuse to adapt to the culture of the country they are moving to it is a major problem.
Right now all of Europe needs to slam there doors tight shut and let no immigrants in at all. No UK to Spain or France to Germany, totally slammed shut for the next 100 years to let culture in all those countries stabilise.
Once the culture in all those countries stabalises, a sence of national identity is achieved, the population is stabilised (neither shrinking or growing) and crime is near 0% then you can re-open the borders but this time control it, like letting 10,000 people or less in/out of the country.
Isolationism and Xenophobia only limit tourism and create social problems, meanwhile a complete, american-style overhaul of the immigration laws would fucking murder Japan's stability.
Japanese kids are already fucking insane and hyper isolated, when I've met foreign exchange students, they're literally like surprised at our way of life , diets, everything.One friend of mine even said "You have more black people than I thought."
Just let all the disgusting weaboos emigrate there.
I was watching NHK World the other day and saw a piece about an orange farm that struggles to sell their goods and has only one or two people running the farm now because young people move away. Imagining moving to the Japanese countryside, joining a rich family farm and working your way up, getting involved in the advertizing and convincing them to use a cute anime girl to sell their oranges to otaku, along with making merchandise. And use all the other stuff you learned from No-Rin.
Eventually the elderly farm owner considers you his own son and wants you to marry his daughter who is away in Tokyo studying. Then you marry the Kaga Koko, inherit the farm and raise your own little Barakamon. You could even teach English at the local school to genki browning tomboy girls.
^ If you sell the above to foreign weaboos, farms all over the country will fill up with applicants. Japan is one of the few modern countries to not have their farms fully mechanized and dominated by university-educated managers.
>>119326416 Most americans, specially the type that enjoys anime, vidya, ect, are too lazy to enjoy the concept of having to work in farm-life.
I lived that since I was a little kid, and I'll tell ya, even with machines, and well educated university folk helping make it more efficient, there's still too much work to make it profitable, 12 hour work days and loads of back breaking labor.
Nowadays you'd be hard pressed to find a girl willing to live that life outside of rural counties.
>>119322828 The women are actually contributing the same amount to the population. Both sides feel they cannot handle a successful job and a marriage, or they feel that they cannot find a suitable partner. There was a recent study on this, it's not just the men.
Anything below a sustainable birthrate will end a civilization in no less than 8 generations.
Once 3 generations have passed below a sustainable birthrate, if you cannot double the birthrate from then on, the civilization will die out or have to be severely diluted with outside genetic material.
Once 5 generations have passed, you need to quadruple the birthrate. 6, octuple. 7, 16x. 8 it's gone.
>>119326118 >the government will need to do some social programs to motivate people to make babies and families, though. Unnecessary, best course of action is >>119322414 By the next decade, automation will improve significantly, especially Japan which is one of the leading nation on robotics, and manual labor demand won't even be half as much. Creating more babies right now will only create depression and unemployment in the next couple of decades, which will lead to more crimes and other stuff.
A totally monolithic culture has little chance of succeeding within the realm of experiential expectation. Change and adaptation go hand in hand with the acceptance of fallibilism, which is necessary for advancement.
Simultaneously, multicultural states can not flourish. Not because of some idiotic notions regarding the natures of the races of man, but because multiple groups with insurmountable existential differences and mandates for domination competing over the same resources necessarily leads to conflict and can not yield long term stability.
>>119326754 This woman is a good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cllO4KcdwLc
It's how modern people operate. They have it good as kids, realize that they're screwed when they grow up, so they focus on what they want now and refuse to settle down. Even though Japan hasn't gone full feminist and is a pretty conservative place, the men don't want to take charge and look after their women. It's so much easier to be a single freeter with anime, videogames and porn, than a married salaryman that lives at the office, has a wife who loses interest once she has kids and they both are waiting until death.
It started in Japan, it's what the West will look like in five or ten years time, only with more immigrants. Until the government produces more incentives for men, stops creating quotas and giving non-jobs to women, and tries to make marriage appealing for men again, things will only get worse. They took away the mystery of marriage and monogamy by promoting NTR in films and television, debauchery and feminist quotas.
> Until the government produces more incentives for men, stops creating quotas and giving non-jobs to women, and tries to make marriage appealing for men again, things will only get worse. They took away the mystery of marriage and monogamy by promoting NTR in films and television, debauchery and feminist quotas. Except none of this happened in Japan, and they have even bigger problems with marriages than the West.
>>119327331 Yes, it did. It was all imported from the West.
Women work salaryman type positions in companies, usually working fewer hours than the men. Plenty of companies have opened up positions for women but expect less from them. As for NTR, any romantic soap opera on TV will teach lonely housewives that men are scum apart from the one that got away, who NTRed her for some chick. Feminism isn't all about naked chicks screaming through megaphones. A lot of it is subtle, implemented through mandatory quotes enforced by government quangos and other agencies. One of the main theories about feminism is that the leading women of the movement in the 70s colluded with the CIA/government officials to try and make women into citizens they could tax. In a one-breadwinner household, only the man was taxed since he was the one with job. With women in the workforce, a lot of non-jobs had to be created, just so they could tax more people. Any government would be mad not to jump at an opportunity to tax people. It also works out for the upper classes, since men and women in the lower classes are no longer united against the rich. Instead they work out that it's men or women that are the problem and stop fighting a class war altogether.
>>119309677 Few parts of Japan is overpopulated, when there is old mining cities which are almost abandoned these days. They have huge issue with aging population too. Low birth rates and huge age group pensioning are also part of the problem.
Can someone tell me, honestly, how serious Japans problem is? I feel like /a/ is really over blowing but I don't know shit. The way /a/ talks it's like literally no one in Japan is having children or something.
>>119322711 >the immigrants are a drain on the economy and cause increases in crime. would be a damn shame; being to nipland it's such a nice clean/orderly place compared to most of the world.. wouldn't want niggers fucking it up
>>119327455 >Notions of infallibility only serve to breed dogma This goes both ways, rather than discussing meta-discussions, how about elaborating your claims on what is necessary for advancement and what is not?
>>119327835 How about we just let things decline to the point that they actually get hard for people?
Modern life is very sedentary so people don't really care about marriage or living off their parents or getting better employment. They can live comfortably in a rather lazy way.
So you let things get worse. Make it so that being unemployed means living on the streets and starving to death. Let them return to a 1930s depression era where suddenly people are desperate to work anything including manual labour. People will stop being picky about working as rockstars or animators or celebrities, and they'll actually work hard jobs and appreciate them.
>>119327996 People aren't getting married because supporting a family is almost impossible to do on a single income. Making things more difficult won't solve anything, at best you'll end up with shit-tier retards who pump out kids they can't support.
People working in shit-tier service jobs are doing so because "hard jobs" are outsourced to shit-holes, factory jobs are few and far between.
>>119327925 Moving to cities has been going on every country since 1960-1970's. Infrastructual problem is that you can't build enough industry around highly populated areas, where most of the exporting happens.
Keep going /a/, I'm almost certain we can come up with a solution to Japan's population crisis in one thread. It's not like the government and specialist agencies over there have been speculating about this for twenty years now.
Just posted this on /int/ in a discussing on the same subject.
This is the example the entire world should follow. Literally the only people concerned about this are bankers and the like because "muh infinite growth". The population will stabilize at a natural level lower than that created by the 19th and 20th centuries, the centuries that needed vast armies of workers for manual factory labor and swarms of conscripts to die in world wars.
In exchange for a goal of infinite economic growth, they will have a stable population with less inequality and much less impact on the environment. There is literally no problem with this.
>>119328406 Funny thing is there's actually no problem at all. It's just ignorant /v/ermins here insisting to provide a solution even though they know next to nothing about the nation. Maybe if you actually read the thread, you'll know that kind /a/nons are informing these poor souls that everything is daijobu and nothing to worry about.
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