It all ends next year. Will you cry when it's over?
3.0 was really bad and boring, if 3.0+1.0 is a recap with a little new content, I'm probably gonna forget to watch till a few years later like the previous rebuilds. Took me 3 years after 2.22 came out to watch it. I don't think there's anything they could do to make the story and characters interesting in the last film.
Remember watching NGE all the way through for the first time and all of those loops Anno threw you through just so that you could understand what the fuck you just watched? You may now have some degree of understanding since then of what happened in Evangelion, and what can ever be expected from Evangelion. But now, Anno has thrown you one giant loop in the form of 3.33. So much has changed, and the world of Evangelion has changed so much in 14 years. The technology is so much different, characters had to buck up and move on from their roles from the days at Tokyo III, and the planet is barely recognizable anymore; you’re as bewildered as Shinji is now, and that’s what supposed to happen. Anything Anno throws at you now will feel like a surprise because you’ve lost all sense of where you are and where you thought you were going.
The first two films hinged on your familiarity of NGE, no longer addressing character traits you’ve become so close to understanding; only briefly touching on character points, like Asuka looking at her doll, or a glimpse of Misato’s experience during Second Impact, because you already know these characters, and these short moments are to establish that these are the same faces you know, going through the motions of NGE once again. Not only that, but they are evolving further, with Shinji having confidence, Rei coming out of her shell more, and Asuka cooking for Shinji instead. The first two films lulled you into a sense of security that, despite a few changes here and there, felt like it was still following NGE while still adding something more to it. Your own preconceptions of Evangelion got you, and the angle and perspective you’ve chosen to see it has now been changed, with your perception of Evangelion now being rebuilt.
i dont pay attention to Evangelion... so i dont know the details to whats going on. But isnt the show about a Loop. things happening over and over a little differently. I remember reading through a thread a year or so ago, about how there were Multiple Robots in Orbit, which could be used to count how many loops occurred so far.
my big questions are
1. Where are these Loops actually taking place?
2. What is controlling the loop, to start, stop, and begin again?
The first series seemed to end inside Shinji's head, as he became Goo and was trying to connect with a shared mind Goo, where everyone in the world seemed to be. Then he seemed to reimagine a new world. So is this all just a Puddle of Goo reimagining the world over and over... for what purpose?
Anno's Journal. 2015, January 1:
Penguin carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This industry is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The blogs and forums are extended gutters and the gutters are full of semen, and when the drains finally crust over, all the vermin will drown.
The accumulated filth of all their masturbation and waifufaggotry will foam up about their waists and all the otaku and weeaboos will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
The original show as never about any "loops".
Loops were never an idea, concept, thought or idea in the original Evangelion, or even the manga until recently in the past few years.
Then they introduced it, and it's garbage.
Yes, you're wrong. That theory is built upon a misunderstanding what happened in the series because people are too stupid to pay any actual attention to what's being shown and said.
what started them?
ive always thought the story of NGE was Anno, translating his Childhood experience and interpretation of adulthood into an Anime. of a little kid struggle to move forward.
loops, kinda throw things off, almost like a person trying to remember the past and change their interpretation of the past to modify their current selves. like trying to pretend Anno wasnt a shy weak child, preferring to think of himself as a strong person the whole time to create a more consistent narrative of himself, so there is less doubt of who he is now. Or maybe im over thinking a show I dont know much about.
I really fucking hope the loop theory isn't true. The Re-Take doujinshi did it well because it still validated EoE and NGE. But the rebuilds might ended up fucking with the canon too much, like the fucking Star Wars prequels.
The ride is never gonna stop until Anno is dead.
We had a thread about this yesterday, and this is absolutely correct. A lot of te fanbase has never not known every answer to Eva, because of the internet. This is the first time we're in unfamiliar territory since EoE, and you can tell just by how much people bitch about Q. Q is the best Rebuild film so far.
>mfw its the same face as me reading 119123012
>The ride is never gonna stop until Anno is dead.
Its never gonna stop
>Q is the best Rebuild film so far.
My fucking sides. Q has characters who are shallow and retarded and the story and pacing are a goddamn mess. When I thought it couldn't get worse than 2.22, Rebuild always continues to surprise me.
Who wouldn't ship this?
You're missing the point, you fucking dope. People hated the TV ending, because it didn't offer closure as to what actually happened. It offered closure of Shinji, but not the events. Q is one piece of the greater picture. It's not an ending like everyone's treating it as. It drops you in the middle of the story and offers no conclusion. It's new content we've literally never seen before, and we don't know what to expect. All the mystery of Eva has been gone for eighteen years now.
>3.0 is a canon film
>same thing as a shipping fan fiction
No. I swear, you guys are worse than the fujoshits with the "gay" thing. Karl and Shin didn't even take a bath together in Q. It was a lot more toned down.
You are confirming his point you goddamn idiots.
No, Q is a poorly written film with poor characters. You're just so delusional you can't come to terms with Anno losing his touch so you make up excuses for it.
>poorly written film with poor characters
That's subjective. The point is this is the first time a lot of people have seen Evangelion material without being able to look at a wiki or something. That's what I'm saying. I'm making a comparison that people said 25+26 were poorly written. They hated it.
No you goddamn idiot. I don't give a shit about shipping. You are a retard or a landwhale playing stupid if you can't admit the film is fujoshi pandering. Trying to argue it, with it's timeloops and ship pandering and shallow characters are any better than Retake, is laughable.
>Rebuild is better because it allows me to indulge in my Kawoshin fantasies and Rei dies!
It goes both ways. Shippers only see it when they want to or when they are getting pandered to or not.
If you're terminally retarded. In which case you seem to be judging by your defense of the film. 26+25 were not poorly written, they could be said to be confusing, but they all compounded the character's complexes and issues that we've been following for the entirety of NGE.
3.0 follows two mediocre movies and tries to be edgy and different but falls flat on it's face, because we don't have reason to give a single fuck about the characters.
Although I think that it was poorly executed, 3.0 at least managed to recreate admist its subpar plot and characterization the gloomy, apocalyptic, bizarre atmosphere of the later episodes of NGE and EoE, as opposed to the Michael Bay action movie feeling that the first two rebuilds had, and for that reason, despite all its flaws, it is my favorite of the three.
NGE was the deconstruction
Rebuild is the reconstruction
Using Eva as a business to stop Eva as a business?
Not really, he's being hanging out with Miyazaki lately and that guy is a bad influence. He might end up better enough to kill his own franchise when he's had his fill of yens.
>mfw this is the exact reason I love the Rebuilds and 3.33 in particular
Man it feels good again to finally be in a state of pure confusion and shock with this franchise again. Just like the good ol' days, before we had all of these answers written out to us in NGE2 excerpts, translated interviews and whatnot.
Is 3.0+1.0 supposed to be Final or just an extra installment?
>3.0 follows two mediocre movies and tries to be edgy and different but falls flat on it's face, because we don't have reason to give a single fuck about the characters.
But I still give a fuck about them. I want to know how and if Shinji will ever get over this new depressive state since it's the worst we've ever seen him. I want to know what events occurred that made Misato and Asuka into the cold hard asses that they are. I want to know the deal behind quantum Rei following Rei Q. Gendo's plans, Mari's mysteries, Kaji's well-being and other things. Just because you don't because you've happened to place all of your attention and focus on a selective few and were displeased with the outcome of their development doesn't mean that's the case for everyone else.
I wouldn't really call Asuka a cold hardass.
Well she might be to other people, but we never really got see it, as she only ever interacted with Shinji.
I would consider her more of a bratty child, who is trying her hardest to not be seen as a child.
>I want to know what events occurred that made Misato and Asuka into the cold hard asses that they are.
The Impact. Answered.
>I want to know the deal behind quantum Rei following Rei Q.
Preparing her for Instrumentality. Answered.
Old as fuck and knows Yui. Answered
>Kaji's well-being and other things.
Being a spy somewhere. Not dead. Answered.
>red eyes, willed Eva 01 back into the fight with a new arm and lasers, while causing an Impact in the process
>exposed to blue liquid while pulling Rei out of Zeruel, the same blue liquid that infected Asuka while she was in Eva 03
>Asuka and Misato treats him coldly
>Can sync up with Kaworu easily
>Fully capable of piloting Eva 13 by himself when Kaworu stopped
>Was able to pull both Lances by himself, despite Kaworu stating that two souls were needed to do it
>The Door of Guf did not close, thus ending Fourth Impact, until Shinji was ejected from Eva 13. Kaworu's death did not stop Fourth Impact,
Where were you when Shinji was no longer human?
Fucking no one is human anymore.
Misato is the last normal person.
Shinji is something.
Asuka is a half breed.
Kaworu is an angel.
Rei is a clone with a gods soul.
Gendo can fly now.
>sync up with Kaworu easily
>easily synced up with a new Eva
So that's why Shinji piloting Eva 02 with Asuka and the DDR sync training was cut from the Rebuilds.
To not spoiler how Shinji can sync up with anything now, just like an Angel would.
>Kaworu and seele have a talk about Shinji's awakening state being activated at the end of 1.11, as it was written in the Dead Sea Scrolls
>confirmed that Gendo and Fuyutsuki have been periodically brainwashing throughout his life since he was born, in an effort to manipulate him and prevent him from recalling certain memories - in both 1.11 and 3.33
>the scenes with unit 01, Gendo, Kaworu, and the four adams from the Until You Come To Me short are treated as brief flashbacks and lost memories that Shinji is briefly attempting to recall. Why the four Adams and four lances from the second impact would be there is his latent memories interesting enough in its own right
>The plans to get Rei and Shinji to bond with each other in order to trigger an unexpected impact were outlined by Gendo as early as 15 years ago, before Shinji and Rei were even born - as stated in 1.11 and 2.22.
He was never human. Whereas Kaworu and Rei always had the knowledge or suspicions that they weren't at all human, Shinji doesn't have a clue about what he truly is. Unlike the other two however, he just somehow happened to undergo a natural birth from a lilin mother instead of being artificially created from a cloning facility.
Not only can Rei and Kaworu have synced up with any Eva they want to now, but now it looks like Shinji and Asuka can as well. Mari's been able to switch around which eva she wants to pilot on a whim too (especially Eva 02)
>mfw Asuka calling people Lilin now makes sense
>Kaworu's piano lessons is the Rebuild's equivalent of the DDR practice
>Shinji was able to get the hang of it almost immediately in the Rebuild version
My biggest hate towards 3.33 is that nothing fucking happened, and it ended in such a way that made me want more, because Shinji Asuka and Rei wondering around a desert is way more interesting then anything that happened before it.
I don't dislike Kaworu, but fucking nothing happened.
>Not only can Rei and Kaworu have synced up with any Eva they want to now, but now it looks like Shinji and Asuka can as well.
Nah, Asuka is still piloting unit 02 despite all of the the near-irreparable damage it has been through for a very clear reason. It really is the only Eva she can pilot, even with her newfound angel abilities.
Shinji can only apparently pilot and awakening evas that were once the four Adams. Unit 1 and Eva 13 are two of those Adams. The same may apply to Kaworu as well, who we've only seen piloting eva 13 and Mark 6 (also a confirmed Adam) so far.
On the other hand, Mari, Rei and Rei Q are complete enigmas. While unit 02's core had to be removed and replaced in order for Mari to pilot it, that doesn't explain how IPEA managed to create a new core for her when her initial piloting core from unit 5 was apparently completely destroyed after that battle with the third angel. Meanwhile we don't know the deal behind Rei's eva unit 0, or how Rei Q was able to board mark 09 (confirmed to be a vessel of Adams; completely different from the 4 Adams of second impact) despite not being synched with it at all.
Jesus Christ are you fucking retarded, shinji is being taught by fucking Adam a transcendant godlike being, and you spergs are pointing out that he learned piano too quickly smh
Re-take doesn't even feature Asuka and Shinji. It features two completely different characters that are just called Asuka and Shinji and look mildly like them because the art is so fucking horrendously bad.
Calling Re-take better than anything means you need to kill yourself.
Gainax, Anno, Khara, and the whole fucking Evangelion team shipped Shinji with Kaworu since fucking '96. Bandai tried to make Shinji straight with girlfriend of steel, but it didn't even work.
>Re-take doesn't even feature Asuka and Shinji. It features two completely different characters that are just called Asuka and Shinji and look mildly like them because the art is so fucking horrendously bad.
Exactly like 3.0 then.
Supposedly. Assuming that mark 09 isn't an Adam, given the different terminology.
So far, the confirmed Adams are
>1. unit 01. Piloted by Shinji. Awakening triggered by Shinji. Does not initiate an impact until the unit absorbs the combination of Rei's soul and Zeruels LCL+core material. Confirmed to be an Adam by Kaji, who notes that it was "the first unit to be triggered before the others were ready."
>2. Eva 13. Piloted by Shinji and Kaworu. Awakening triggered by Shinji as he disconnects Kaworu's synchronization tempo from the control system. Does not initiate an impact until it absorbs the remnants of the twelfth angel. Confirmed to be an Adam by Mari and its ability to ascend into a giant of light to initiate an impact
>3. mark 06. Piloted by Kaworu and later designated as an autonomous unit. Awakening triggered by unknown forces during the time skip. Partly responsible for triggering the time skip's third impact. Confirmed to be and Adam due the effects it had on Lilith and impact mechanics. Also due to its unusual construction cycle as it wasn't an artificially-created being, but one of mysterious origin that was found and excavated off of the moon.
It is possible that Mark 09 could've been an Adam despite the different terminology. Some believe that the fourth Adam is actually the Key of Nebuchadnezzar, as Kaji calls it "the missing number" and Gendo says that it's "used to open the door to human instrumentality." Not to mention that Gendo always has it at his side for safe keeping.
>Shinji kinda got more feminine looking
He always looked feminine, even in NGE. But now he has a big ass too.
Honda's style may be a little wonky, but at least it doesn't incite diarrhea like the fucking chicken scratch drawings of Re-take.
Nah, they definitely amped his femininity to 10 in 3.0.
What is the general consensus on Shinji's sexuality anyway.
Gay as fuck
Straight but with a side of Kaworusexual
Just straight up confused because of being crazy.
I never read the manga, but everyone says he was confirmed to be at his gayest in that, but he did blush at Asuka in the last chapter.
I just always assumed Shinji would go want to be with who ever is nice to him.
That's not a 10 feminine ass. It's not even the best ass in the movie.
It's still pretty fucking high by Evangelion's standards. It's far from normal for a male protagonist in today's mecha anime, that much is sure.
Does 3+1 have the same art director as 3.33?
I wonder if they are going to tone down Shinji a bit now that Kaworu is out of the picture, and Fujo' don't care about Shinji by himself.
bisexual in NGE.
Closet-case homosexual in denial for the manga.
Rebuild is still open-ended for now, but leaning towards bisexual or homosexual depending on whether or not he's romantically interested in Rei, Kaworu, or both.
In the rebuild he felt like he had more sexual chemistry with Rei then Kaworu.
In the rebuilds his relationship with Kaworu came off more ambiguous compared to 24.
It really felt more pandering then anything sexual.
Then again the Rei stuff didn't feel that sexual either.
>tfw Eva 3.0 is my 2nd Eva favorite Eva movie and I've seen it 7 times
I also liked Death and Rebirth more than EoE
I wonder why they toned down the Kawoshin shit, then again the only reason episode 24 was allowed on air was because they sent it to the TV station 5 minutes before air or something.
Rebuild toned down every relationship, it feels like. Did Ritsuko even have a thing with Gendo in these movies?
He blushed more with Kaworu than he did with Rei. The only time he genuinely blushed for her that wasn't out of embarrassment for walking in on her naked was when broke through her entry plug to check on her well-being in 1.0.
All of the sexuality and sexual chemistry from NGE is being downplayed by a longshot in Rebuild. We aren't even getting anything on Misato and Kaji's sexual escapades and college fun times, just some ambiguous mentions of them being together in the past and going out to dinner once because of it.
>I also liked Death and Rebirth more than EoE
It kinda sucks that 3.33 is so bad it tainted Kaworu for everyone.
Even as someone who sorta ships Shinji with a chick, I liked Kaworu in NGE and thought he was a crucial piece of development for Shinji.
>Twist is that Mari is actually Poochie reborn and thus remembers she died on the way back to her home planet as Poochie, thus, has to return home once more.
The perfect opening 5 minutes for 4.0, then we can actually have a good film.
I blame tumblr. Before the Generals, it was common for people to say "Everyone's gay for Kaworu" and everyone would just laugh it off as a joke and move on. Now, that would cause a shitstorm. Tumblr infested the generals with kaworufaggotry and general gay, and when they died, they burst out over the rest of /a/.
The sad result is that Kaworufags have gone from basically unnoticeable to complete shit.
Probably at least Bi curious in all installments.
He always blushes for naked/teasing Asuka/Rei and near Kaworu.
Well we got Shinji seeing Asuka naked and the crotch shot during a bed room scene.
This. Even as a Reifag myself I find this anti-Kaworu shit is getting annoying. Remember the friday night Kaworu threads several years ago? Now we can't even bring up his name without derailing a thread.
Can someone give me reasons to LIKE 3.33?
I just want to find something good in it, other than the landscapes. Or someone tell me that it's not all asspulls and answers can actually be found in it.
Well Kaworu shouldn't have much screen time in 3+1, so there shouldn't be any reasons for tumblr to go crazy about him again.
So it should die down eventually. Maybe.
Especially if the movie ends with Shinji chilling with Asuka and some variation of Rei.
>You should try using your brain and thinking about things on your own, you very well may find a fairly good answer
A lot of the questions have no answer yet. 'Using your brain' is not going to help if we don't have the necessary information.
>A lot of the questions have no answer yet.
And that's something you'll have to live with. We're not at the end of the series and we had a timeskip, after all.
You also need to evaluate the questions you're asking themselves. Some things just plain aren't important or simply aren't possible to know. A lot of people ask questions that amount to - in importance - "What did Asuka have for breakfast on the 3rd of September?" It's completely idiotic.
This is what I've been saying all along. All of the complaints I see are
>I don't understand!
>Why are the characters acting this way?
>Where's the plot going?
And instead of trying to FIGURE IT OUT, you just bitch and moan about how it's not the original series. Well it's something new, and what you're experiencing now is what everyone else experienced back when the series first aired in 95-96. The answers are not just handed to you, you have to speculate and interpret things in a way that makes sense.
Do you think that maybe there's a logical REASON Misato and the crew of the Wunder were hostile towards Shinji? Instead of bitching about why they're acting like that, try to figure it out. Just because you don't have all the answers right away, it doesn't mean it's bad.
I've been saying >>119136188 forever now, because it's been foreshadowed for the past three movies, and it explains nearly everything.
Tumblr shitters ruin every anime they touch. They're like a flock of ravenous locusts that move on from on anime to next when they latch onto the new popular thing or an anime with shipping shit that tickles their fancy. SnK, Yowamushi Pedal, dangan Ronpa, Free, recently Tokyo Ghoul and so on. Granted more than half of those were listed were already shitty or pandering crap from the start, but their presence in threads makes shit that much worse.
Even /cm/ doesn't fucking like them or accept them. Sure there are few notable exceptions where they'll accept some fan art or analyses from competent blogs from that site, but most of the time they'll tell them to fuck off once they start bringing in their degenerate lingo and SJW practices and shit. Because they know they're responsible for tainting their image and ruining the eva generals.
Thankfully most of them left /a/ and /cm/ a long while ago when the after hype died down and they went on the search for the next new thing.
Wait and See is the best approach right now. You can speculate and form best guesses with decent foundation or a good base to back it up, but at the end of the day it's hard to find 100% confirmation of a lot of things.
However, turning to instantly hating it simply because you don't have answers for everything is also pretty dumb. Asking for everyone to assure you that it's okay or otherwise turning to the popular opinion of /a/ for assurance of how you should form your own is also no good.
At the end of the day, you need to take the time to think about it on your own. Form your own opinions and ideas about it. If you find that you still don't like it, that's completely fine, but don't just decide you hate it solely because everyone else on /a/ has had a hateboner raging for 3 fucking years now.
:3.0+1.0 links to http://evangelion.co.jp/final.html with just this image on it.
I'm willing to give the movie the benefit of the doubt, but didn't it feel a little hasty to you?
Sort of like UBW movie?
And I just wanna mention your example, because I have the most issues with that - of course there must be a reason for them acting the way they do, but it lead to everything fucking up. Shouldn't they logic this out better and come up with a better plan to keep Shinji in check and pacified? Rather than making him confused and volatile? There's too many 'shoulds' in this sentence already.
The worst thing is that we let them in with open arms. At the start we were desperate for translations, so then they came along and offered to help with the translation project. We were even accepting help from Evageeks at the time, after all. Once that was done, they needed to prove they still had a reason to stick around, so they started translating some interviews. Then it moved on to comics, and then finally kawoshin doujins.
The whole time they were posting their shitty tumblr gifs and images, and later linking to tumblr itself. When people told them to fuck off, they were even defended because they were contributing to the translation projects, after all! By the time all the relevant translations were done, they had latched themselves in firmly. Not only were they posting gay doujins and constantly talking about shipping, they even talked about what was the best fanfiction, linking to their favorites.
We nurtured that cancer, and then we spread it with the death of the Generals.
Anno did say that the final act was cut from 3.0 to make it a reasonable length.
Also, I figured that the reason they didn't tell him was that they were afraid of how he would react. To them, he's a ticking time bomb that could end the world at any moment. To Misato, he's representative of the losses she's suffered, while he's also still Shinji. They want him to stay out of an Eva, as they're afraid it could cause another Impact and end humanity.
I can understand that they must be feeling a wide range of emotions. The way 3.33 played it, it seemed that bringing him back was an unwanted consequence of retrieving Unit-01 as a battery. So Misato puts the Angel-Sealing choker on him just in case he does anything rash, but she can't bring herself to kill Shinji.
Look at what Kaworu and Fuyutsuki told him, and see how he reacted there. As soon as he was told that there was a method to undo what he did, he jumped at it and wouldn't even listen to Kaworu when he was telling Shinji to stop. Telling him the entire truth is the last thing they should have done.
Yeah, sure. I'm sure that one anon will bring up his controversial "Redo is the best because it reintroduces that atmosphere of confusion" topic again in another thread like he did last night.
I wonder if they are going to explain why and how Shinji suddenly appeared.
If they even tried before.
It kinda felt silly that after all that time, it only took Asuka to cry for help to get him to come back.
But maybe he just had a lot of pent up guilt for not saving her the first time.
I have a question, since you seem to understand a lot - how understandable the movie is to you now?
All the events and motivations, what happens and why - do you have it clear in your mind at this point?
The ones translating the interviews and official works were often the rare case of sane, intellectual ones; and anons who probably already frequently browsed /a/ from the start.
The ones linking shitty self-promoted tumblr fan art, gifs, doujins and horrible inside jokes with their immature lingo were the cancer. And the exact type of cancer that ruined the threads and generals of so many other anime on /a/.
Of course, now the ones spreading all of the cancer and meta are a handful of particularly autistic Reifags attempting to derail every Eva thread they can get their hands on, and let's not forget about Evageeks and their past favoritism for Asuka in blacklisted canon articles and information. It seems that every waifufag group has their batch of bad apples, and the spread of tumblr cancer was the fault of Kaworufags.
It all depends on who or what the next movie will favor.
If Kaworu gets plenty of screen time again, then tumblr. If Asuka gets more focus, then reddit and evageeks. If Rei returns or Rei Q is developed, then things will largely stay the same with /a/'s Reifags continuing to shitpost in every thread.
I'm sure we'll see a reemergence of the Generals whether we want them or not. No idea how those will play out at this point though, what with the majority of Eva threads now being filled just with hate.
It'll be interesting, I guess.
You're missing his point. It's all about speculation, there's no definite answers. This is like how NGE was when it was first airing, there was no easy-access source of information with every minute detail explained.
For the last couple of months, there's been a lot of good Q threads. Well, there's been actual discussion about why people need to form their own opinions instead of parroting what they see other people say. I can't imagine how bad they'll be when 3.0+1.0 comes out.
2015 or 2016? Don't be a retared OP most places are already on 2015.
Also I don't think they are going to kill nothing. EVA will still be around and Anno will announce another movie saga this time of 26 movies, each one for every TV chapter of the original series..
Shin Evangelion Theatrical Edition
Things to note
>Shin is written in Katakana, which hides its meaning, while also giving it the potential to have multiple meanings. God, True, and New are the most likely meanings.
>Evangelion is written as エヴァンゲリオン (Evangerion) instead of ヱヴァンゲリヲン (Wevangeriwon; the Ws are silent), the latter of which was used for the first three Rebuilds, the former of which was used for the original series.
>The music sign at the end means repeat. It's the end of the section to repeat, though.
You can interpret this in many ways.
>True Evangelion could reference the original series, meaning the movie could be the bridge between EoE and the Rebuilds
>New Evangelion could reference the Rebuilds
>It's an end repeat, so this means that they're at the end, and they're either to repeat (True Evangelion) or done repeating (New Evangelion)
>>The plans to get Rei and Shinji to bond with each other in order to trigger an unexpected impact were outlined by Gendo as early as 15 years ago, before Shinji and Rei were even born - as stated in 1.11 and 2.22.
I don't remember this part.
>they introduced it, and it's garbage.
Introduced how, when, is any of this confirmed?
>The ones translating the interviews and official works were often the rare case of sane, intellectual ones
Which is why we accepted them at all. With things like translating the actual movie or some of the interviews, it makes sense to take in all the help we can to get those translated since they're certainly not going to translate themselves. The issue is that it brought in with it all the cancer that refused to leave after they had finished their job. At least Reichu stopped coming to the generals or at least wearing a trip once she was finished.
>It seems that every waifufag group has their batch of bad apples
Absolutely. Too many threads get wound up with pointing fingers and trying to blame everything on a single group, but everyone has their fair share of faggots.
I hope Asuka and Rei get nice developments and happy ending, and they throw Kaworu a bone.
Asuka as a disney girlfriend, Rei as a sister, Kaworu as a gay guardian angel.
I want a good story first, but I don't know if I can take watching everyone try and kill each other over chinese cartoons anymore.
I THINK I understand a decent amount. Obviously, some stuff can't be resolved until the final movie, but whenever I come across something I don't understand initially, I assume it's either yet to be explained, or I can deduce it based on previous events. Of course, it won't be confirmed until the very end, but it gives you an idea of what's to come. It's just a matter of understanding characters and remembering minor plot points.
I just don't understand why they made unit 0 yellow. It was so much better-looking when it was blue.
Purple is the color combo of red and blue and the color most associated with mommies in Evangelion (Misato's hair, Yui's shirt, Lilith's mask and so on.)
It signifies that Shinji is a momma's boy and a manchild through and through.
It is not repeat; there is absolutely no reason to believe that the colon is part of it as it's never been part of it before. It's Evangelion: final, not Evangelionrepeat.
This is super old, and has been stupid from the first post it was suggested.
So what's your idea for the origins of the giant eye and teeth?
Bear in mind I'm not looking for 100% true answer, just something to think about. I love those things so I'm curious.
unit 00 was always yellow, it became blue when they upgraded it
This is the kind of tumblr bullshit I hate. People come here without knowing a fucking thing and want to hear the dub.
Funimation fucked it up big time by changing the script and Khara is forcing them to redo it under their supervision
>not liking Re-Take better than the original
>not realizing the truth that Asuka is best girl and Shinji deserves her shit for being such a little faglord
Plus, badass Shinji from the future crushing all the Angels effortlessly is pretty sweet, you gotta admit
I haven't put a lot of thought into that, but I'm guessing that the area of earth beneath Third Impact started transforming into an Angel or something. It's also possible that the ground itself beneath Third Impact also started turning into a massive Failure of Infinity (AKA like Unit-01).
I'll have to rewatch the movie sometime for a better interpretation, though. It could also be something that's going to be resolved in the next movie.
>It could also be something that's going to be resolved in the next movie.
Rebuild is not the reconstruction.
If anything they deconstructed it further by
deconstructing Evangelion's own characters. 2.22 has Rei and Asuka develop into happier people than they were in NGE, but then 3.33 turns Rei into a submissive doll and turns Asuka into an angry bitch with no dere side. In 2.22 Shinji finally gets in the robot, and in 3.33 it turns out that every time he gets in the robot he's actually screwed things up even more.
Rebuild started as a reconstruction but turned into the same grimdark emo depression that Eva is known for.
>>confirmed that Gendo and Fuyutsuki have been periodically brainwashing throughout his life since he was born, in an effort to manipulate him and prevent him from recalling certain memories - in both 1.11 and 3.33
I haven't seen rebuilds in a while now, refresh my memory on this, please?
It didn't confirm it. Fuyutsuki said, "Or maybe your memories have been wiped," or something like that. It raises it as something that potentially could have happened, but nothing even close to as specific as that anon said.
People like to overreach with their theories way too far and pretend things are 100% confirmed when they have shaky evidence at best.
Who else just doesn't care anymore?
I want the movie to come out simply so I can watch it at it's full length and put down Eva for good. The last movie tried to be as surprising and crazy as possible but the only thing I saw was "stupid characters making stupid mistakes for the sake of plot" and nothing felt natural, and I end up hating even Misato who was my favourite character until recently. I think she needs a mercy death for being a cunt.
Let it be over. I can't put into words how much I hated the last movie.
Asuka: Lost her eye in Bardiel fight, eye is contaminated and glows angel-blue when she reaches high sync ratios.
Rei: Re-merged with Lilith, Lilith began to turn into giant naked rei, Kaworu descended from the moon in Mark 6 Eva and put second spear into Lilith to stop impact. Soul left Lilith making it a corpse, entered core of Eva 01. Rei's soul is now misplaced so her new body is mentally and emotionally blank.
Shinji: Got tanged. Retrieved from space so that Eva 01 could power the Wunder. Eva 01 berserks in space when attacked by angel drones(mass produced Eva Mark 4s iirc). Otherwise Shinji can't re-synchronize with 01 because of Rei's presence in Eva not wanting him to suffer again.
Mari: Is a "favorite"/has "connections", is a family friend of Gendo, who turned to working for WILLE. Either her mother or her(depends on theory of who/what she is) is in the picture showing Shinji as a baby.
Wunder crew: Don't have time to explain things to Shinji right away. Hold extreme grudges against him for what he did, though Asuka may still have feelings for him. Misato wants to keep him alive out of maternal instinct, but doesn't want him to continue impact so gives him an explosive collar that will kill him if his eva goes berserk, and keeps him out of unit 01. Shinji has no idea what's going on because Misato is busy and hasn't taken the time to explain everything to him. He is irrelevant to the current battle: Misato is distant from Shinji like his father is now, because he's no longer a major part of her plan and things have gotten a lot more bleak since the previous movie.
Curse of the Eva: LCL is a primodial fluid of life, so sync'ing with an Eva causes one's body to not age.
The new Rei shows up and grabs Shinji, he escapes because Misato is reluctant to kill him.
Kaworu and Fuyutsuki reveal to Shinji everything that happened.
>Curse of the Eva: LCL is a primodial fluid of life, so sync'ing with an Eva causes one's body to not age.
Everyone keeps sticking to LCL even though there is a much better explanation: Plug depth. If it were LCL, everyone would've just been bathing in it. Seele for sure would just be taking baths in the stuff all the time and never even bother with turning themselves into monoliths. The fact that they had to make themselves part machine is proof enough on its own that LCL isn't the cause.
The one thing everyone has in common who's now permanently young is that they all reached a dangerous plug depth while piloting, which bridge bunnies yelled about being dangerous, and Ritsuko said would cause them to "lose their humanity."
Why does that make them not age though?
>turn into monoliths
...somehow I always thought these are just representations of them. Like avatars online.
Never thought they actually turned into a Kubrick.
Kaworu: SEELE agent, initial motives unclear but befriends Shinji and promises to help him. Is Adam incarnate, but is also the Thirteenth Angel because SEELE wants him to initiate Fourth Impact.
Goes with Shinji using Eva 13, whose AT fields are spread from flying defense pods rather than from the hull proper for some reason. Followed by Rei in an Eva that contains another part of the soul of Adam and is one big surpressed angel core.
Shinji no longer recognizes blank Rei as the real Rei, causing her to question who she is. She questions this further when she finds out that Lilith's corpse is a giant naked rei. Kaworu mentions how the current Rei is artificial and has a misplaced soul. Mari also talks about how she basically was one of the first clones made and is flawed, hence her slow personality development.
The descend into Central Dogma to remove the lances to undo Third Impact, but the lances have reset to both being Longinus(angel deactivation) lances, rather than a Longinus and a Cassius. Shinji tries to remove them both anyway, Asuka and Mari try to stop him, he removes them. GNR explodes into LCL revealing Kaworu's old eva's wreck. Out of Kaworu's eva's wreck springs an angel which Kaworu and Shinji fight. This is the twelfth angel, meaning that once it is destroyed Kaworu's true power will awaken because of the order of angels written in the dead sea scrolls. Shinji tries to undo third impact but instead continues it and achieves a divine form, because he removed two longinus spears re-activating lilith's corpse and the pieces of third impact. Wunder shows up to try to stop him, gets attacked by Rei but she starts to develop her personality again, ejects so that Asuka can safely destroy her regenerating Eva.
Because it does. We'll never know the actual sciencey explanation for why exactly they don't age, just an idea of what causes them to not age.
Plug Depth could basically be akin to bathing in comic-book tier radioactive goo, thereby giving them the special ability of never aging. The fact that it's the one thing all the pilots except Rei - who just has backup clones anyway - have in common that isn't available to anyone else to exploit makes me believe that it is the far more likely cause of the Curse of Eva.
Kaworu impales Eva 13 with the spears to stop the impact, because he realizes he's been manipulated by SEELE: his angel powers are being used to make him the thirteenth angel, to make him a threat to mankind that will initiate instrumentality. It's all according to keikaku. So he impales himself and allows his choker to trigger so he dies. Then Mari pulls Shinji's entry plug out so the impact will stop.
But this is actually all according to Gendo's keikaku, he wanted SEELE to lose at the last moment and had also shut down all the computers that SEELE's members had transferred their souls into. He wants an impact, but an impact where he can re-unite with Yui.
Then the pilots go to "where the Lilim are", presumably to re-unite with Wunder.
So basically, it can be figured out. 3.33 is not an indecipherable puzzle, though it is confusing, but 3+1 will hopefully resolve the more confusing parts of it.
Basically things work slightly differently than in the original NGE tv show but you can still figure out whats going on. There's specific emphasis on the fact that the angels have to work in a specific order, to have the power to cause an impact: Kaworu doesn't have the clearance to cause an impact until the angel before him(the glowing smoke wisp thing) is destroyed.
Also everyone's favorite character is ruined but hopefully 3+1 will fix this.
>but the lances have reset to both being Longinus(angel deactivation) lances, rather than a Longinus and a Cassius.
What does that mean? Nature of the lances (especially Cassius) is very unclear to me
Not that anon you're responding to, but the giant eyes, teeth, and earth-turned core are referred to as Gaia in the script and the storyboards.
My current assumption is that this "Gaia" either has a strong association with Lilith, that weird angel fetus thing that was eaten by Eva 13, or both. Gaia appears to be directly connected to all lilin, acting as an evolutionary medium for humanity so that they can manifest both fruits of life and knowledge and ascend as a new race of superior life forms. These are what the failures of infinity were supposed to be, but the process was either halted or went completely haywire during the time skip.
I also liked the theory that none of the kids were human from the start of the rebuild.
Time loop shenanagans made Asuka, Mari, and Shinji into something else because they were the only ones not tanged when it happened.
And the time loop didn't really loop time, but reset the angels and people back to the start of the series to retry the events.
Yes, you have to actually sync properly or the LCL won't have its rejuvenating effect.
The failures of infinity seem to have been people who got caught up in the near-instrumentality of third impact, but didn't quite make it because Kaworu stopped it. So they ended up as Eva-shaped corpses.
The new spear is a tool meant to control Third Impact, but it turned back into the old spear when the impact stopped? There's two spears in Lilith, Kaworu's and the original?, did the original morph into the spear of cassius or did Kaworu morph his spear into it to help turn impact off 14 years before? Either way it turned back into a spear of longinus, hence "you can not redo"
The moon? The moon is Kaworu's base, where his coffins were and a previous lilith corpse from a previous timeline could be found. When Kaworu showed up to fix things at the end of 2.22 it had the side effect of pulling the moon closer to the earth so he could use his powers properly? That's the best I got...
>3.0 + 1.0
I know this is anno we're talking about here but would it really have fucking killed him to call it 4.0?
But why, it's not like synching changes the LCL or anything. If anything, they're just running some electric currents into it, which anyone can do. It's not like they're synching to the LCL either; they synch to the robot.
I just don't see any reason to believe in LCL when we're given Plug Depth, which is always paired with people yelling and making a big deal out of how it's SUCH A BAD THING that they're increasing their plug depth. Curse of Eva being the direct result of going in too deep makes far more sense than "Whoops, you bathed in the LCL a little too long, now you're immortal!"
That name is really killed me.
If it was like some people thought as an extension to 3, and 4 will be something else, then fine.
But that doesn't seem to be the case since they didn't update the japanese name.
Yes, SEELE did this.
Also they talk about being responsible for civilization, in other words they're confirmed for ancient illuminati who have known about the angels for centuries and have been manipulating world politics to set up a situation where instrumentality would be possible.
But Gendo foils their plans, they need him to shut down their soul-jar computers so that they can ascend to rule the world via instrumentality, but Gendo never intended for Kaworu to succeed: he basically kills SEELE so he can have his own instrumentality where he can bring back Yui.
What's with all the girls having Nami in their name?
Rei Ayanami/Asuka Shikinami/Mari Makinami
They're all clones now? Maybe that's curse of the eva. They don't age because they just get replaced. Except Shinji or someshit.
If you don't like the timeloop theory that's fine, but you'll need to come up with a better reason for why the seven-eyed lilith is on the moon and the lilith with an adamic angel mask is the one in central dogma.
Seriously. I have connected and cared for the characters from the original series and EoE so much, that anything that happens to them, for better or for worst, I will need to see it.
I don't have the movie on my laptop so I can't provide any direct screenshots. Unfortunately I had to pull off some translated script lines from evageeks' wiki.
>Fuyutsuki: This means what they are trying to create is not a false God, but a true God at last?
>Gendo: We must hasten the awakening of Unit-01.
>Fuyutsuki: As we thought, with those two the awakening of Unit-01 is complete.
>Gendo: Indeed. Soon we will consummate our covenant.
They don't have a translation on 1.0's script, so I'll have to screencap the proof from that movie once I'm done torrenting it.
>you'll need to come up with a better reason for why the seven-eyed lilith is on the moon
One of the Adams, launched from the explosion of Second Impact. It also launched one of them to Japan, where you see that big red crater and chalk outline.
>the lilith with an adamic angel mask is the one in central dogma.
No need to explain it; it just has that mask now.
And that just goes back to plug depth, not LCL. Asuka had increased plug depth, not from synch, but angel contamination. Mari had increased plug depth not from synch, but from removing the Eva's limiters.
>the title consists of nothing else but the titles of previous movies, a hint of it being based in the past while still referring itself as the fourth movie
>3.33 was the last movie in the timeline, with 3.0+1.0 covering what happened in between 2.22 and 3.33
>the last we'll ever see of the pilots is them walking over the horizon, as if saying that everything is going to turn out okay
>right after Asuka acted like her old tsun self again when pulling Shinji out of his entry plug
>right after Rei Q pulled an old Rei by picking up Shinji's tape player, which has meant to symbolize Rei and Shinji's relationship in the Rebuilds
>the trailer at the end of 3.33 and the expo video was an epilogue
>implying Anno doesn't have the gall do pull something this
>4.0 is mix of scenes from 1.0-3.0 with komm susser tod playing in the background.
>movie ends with instrumentality and eva 01 going into space
>bumps into a group of eva 01's
To be perfectly honest the EoE and most of the Eva TV series was so convoluted with religious jargon the reboots don't even bother me. When the reboots are over I won't care either though because for some reason I don't care about any of the characters. If I want Eva I'll just reread the mangos
It's not really explained what Lance of Cassius does.
To stop an impact you need a lance of longinus, which Kaworu did: he had to stop it, he wasn't the major player in the impact so he couldn't control it to reverse its own effects. This means that the lance in Lilith, when Third Impact triggered, probably turned into the Lance of Cassius which would be used for controlling the impact. When Kaworu ended the impact, the lance of cassius reverted to a second longinus.
Removing Longinus + Cassius would result in the impact being undone, because removing the Longinus causes an impact to continue but removing the Cassius reverses its effects. So the world could be controlled and be rebuilt.
Removing two Longinus leads to the impact continuing, [instrumentality intensifies].
That's honestly the only logical explanation to it all that I can come up with. Hopefully 3+1 will fill in the gaps.
Weird how no one has brought up the sequel theory that the rebuilds are just sequels.
I don't know ever detail on it but it's strong and can be backed up. Hopefully the final installment gives us the answer we all want.
Unknown, considering Kaworu came out of the one and that 4 were already open, coresponding with the first four angels that had attacked up the that point, people think it's where the angels are coming from before attacking, which doesn't make sense considering the size of them being about the size of a person
The only way the theory works out is if it's like the Sandalphon in the original series in that they all start off small before evolving into their final forms.
The best part is that it isn't strong and only really has Kaworu going for it.
You're catching on.
Honestly I hope anno isn't just putting shit in the rebuilds to make us hype for a false hope. There better be a clear explanation for why blood is on the moon and kaworou not stopping the third impact
He keeps hurting me and I keep coming back.
>Eva both confuses and frightens me. When people talk about it and remember every detail.
>Maybe Kaworu is just fucking insane
Kaworu is one of the most insane characters in Rebuild. He waits 14 years to see Shinji and gets jealous when he talks about his other friends.
Looked it up, you're right.
That makes it a lot more confusing, actually.
Lilith was re-awakened as Giant Naked Rei to cause Third Impact. Lance of Cassius stopped it, as a second spear. Then it transformed into a Lance of Longinus. To suppress Lilith, it had to turn into second suppression lance. So removing two suppression lances in 3.33 only continued the impact, Lilith's power was unleashed and combined with Kaworu's essence as Adam reborn.
But removing the lance of cassius and lance of longinus, could be wielded to undo it, if it were still a lance of cassius? Lilith's power would still be unleashed, but the Lance that actually stopped the impact would have been removed. So all the factors of the impact and its failure would be in the hands of the eva: the Eva would be able to initiate an instrumentality of sorts, that would undo Third Impact: an anti-instrumentality. It would have control over all the aspects of Third Impact present in 2.22 and so would perhaps be able to stop it if the lances were returned into Lilith in a different order.
Can someone tell me what this is?
Also, if kaworu "got it" during this scene, why didn't he just straight up tell shinji "don't pull them out, it'll destroy everything" .
Well I don't know of any animes like it.
It's really the first where the viewer has to piece everything together.
For the casuals it can be fun and for hardcore Eva geeks it's a blast to learn about stuff behind the HIP
We do not know how things transformed, if they can transform at all, or what was used where on whom.
We can assume that the Lance of Longinus is still Lilith's lance, so Cassius would be Adam's. I would assume that 2 Lilith = impact and 2 Adam = impact. 1 of each, however, may be able to reverse the effects of an impact.
Low. It's far more symbolic than anything else.
>cores are synonymous with sexual organs
>the planet surface is covered in core material, with Failures of Infinity sprouting out of the ground
>the Failures look like Eva 01
>Third Impact was Eva 01 "fertilizing" the Earth
But in the series both Adam and Lilith had the same spear, right? One was just lost.
Or are we to assume that the lost spear was completely different from the Longinus one and more akin to Cassius?
Thanks. I just realized I am a filthy casual. Is this why no matter how many animes I want to watch I drop them after the 4th episode then don't go back and watch them till a year later?
Thinking about this some more.
Lilith: suppressed by Longinus
Third Impact: stopped by Cassius
If Cassius hadn't morphed after Third Impact was delayed, they could have removed Longinus, then Cassius, which would have unleashed Lilith's power without Third Impact occurring and then unleashed the Third Impact's power. Then they could have re-inserted Cassius to make the impact suppressor also lock into Lilith, then put in Longinus again to completely reverse the order of the spears in suppressing different things. This would stop Third Impact.
But since Cassius was no more, and it was a Longinus stopping the impact from continuing now, all removing Longinus did was cause an impact right away.
3.33 is as close as it gets to real Eva.
What would make you enjoy this movie? For me it would be:
Starts off with a fast-paced telling of what happened in the 15 year timeskip with full but indirect explanations of how all the impact/instrumentality/pseudo evolved state/adam vessels and whatever else in rebulid universe. That part would last for around 40 mins it would also have these black slides with white writing on them to help the story-telling like in episode 25 and 26 and Death movie.
Then i would want a 20 min quiet part, with amazing instrumental soundtrack and atmosphere, bringing in that sense of isolation on Shinji, but also show his bonding with Rei, which shows him how much he loves here never mind that she is a clone and she becomes warmer and more active, and they find their peace of heart in each others lives.
All according to Gendo's Keikaku. He then invades the wunder, takes control of it, sends millions of mark-06s to kill Eva 08+02.
Then there is a huge action scene with most of Wunder crew gone for good, Shinji and Rei still fighting against Mark-06s and the nerv hq which turns out to be a huge ship. Asuka is kill protecting Shinji, while he can't get his shit together, Rei is also kill. Mari uses the situation to get to Nerv hq and reveals her true identity (insert huge plot twist here) as gendo initiates the final impact using Eva-01. Then EoE complementation happens while 2013 version of Kumm susser todd plays as he does all that over again, and is then explained by Kaworu and others that it wasn't enough last time for him obvsly and that it's a story untill Shinji gets it right and faces the reality. He can't because he doesn't want to live in reality where Rei doesn't live in so he gives into instrumentality.
First 10 mins of 1.0 play.
Credits Song: http://youtu.be/Utx_F09EnUY
>>cores are synonymous with sexual organs
>Sachiel's core started to glow when it saw Eva 01
That probably makes the most sense, there's a duality in the lances. Lilith turns the Cassius lance into a Longinus after being pierced by it, because Longinus is what deactivates her.
Both can break AT fields, but when together Cassius acts favorably to Lilith and Longinus acts favorably to Adam. So reversing the order of the Lances, if both were in Lilith at the same time, would have the effect of making Lilith ruled by Lilith's lance rather than Adam's lance, and thereby undo the work of that Adam's lance had done and restore the Lilim.
But because they had both become Longinus, removing them simply stopped the impact from being delayed but didn't actually undo it.
Can't believe people actually care about the shitty rebuilds, EOE was and always will be the true ending to evangelion, the rebuilds are non canon fanservice and that's all they ever will be, stop applying logic from the series to rebuilds and stop trying to say shit from the rebuilds makes things in the original different, fuck off with that bullshit you are ruining evangelion.
Here is stuff detailing how Shinji and Rei's bond with each other was all a part of some grand inevitable plan that was predetermined 14 years ago. This was from 1.0, by the way.
Will post the very first mention of brainwashing from the movies next.
Remember that scene in EoE where everyone is getting tangified and Seele seems pleased, yet it doesn't seem to go according to their plan?
What if that plan is going to come into fruition now, in 3+1? They wanted Shinji to make the decision during Complementation, they wanted the world to loop because that'd create some extra piece that they need the 2nd time around.
I'm fanwanking, but that'd be pretty
but seriously, if people genuinely like it or are interested in it, why do you feel compelled to make such comments? Nobody is forcing you to watch the rebuilds, and nobody is forcing you to participate in the discussion. NGE+EoE will always been the same, it can never be ruined by a separate work independent of it's integral work.
I feel like I'm the only person that doesn't want a super crazy plot for 3+1.
After EoE, I kinda just want a more straight forward plot, no time loops, no instrumentality, no more impacts. Just stopping all this shit before it actually happens, or in the middle of it happening.
Have some weird, but more controlled weird, and some crazy visuals.
After the first 3 rebuilds, I don't really trust Anno or Khara to go down the EoE path.
a butt ton of metaphors.
...aside from my assumption that Eva is one giant metaphor for a weak child struggling to grow up, theres probably a lot of stuff thrown in there to make the show interesting. I doubt he piloted a Giant Robots either.
>seele seems pleased, yet it doesn't seem to go according to their plan?
because in the end it would still have roughly the same outcome, people were gonna get tanged anyway, but then shinji changed that
If it does actually end there, then yes.
Evangelion is my favorite franchise of all time and incredibly dear to me, I'll probably shed a few tears for based Anno.
>I doubt he piloted a Giant Robots either.
It's more like Seele's initial plans was to ascend humanity into a race of godlike beings, but the process was halted with everyone remaining in the tang stage because of Shinji's terrible decisions.
Guys what if its a genuine happy ending for once. Its the only way to do any WTF smoke weedeverday ending after EoE. If they try to do another EoE type ending it always will be in the shadow of EoE no matter what crazy shit they show.
Friends don't go inside the core of a giant fucking robot that is also your mum and pull you out of there, while killing everyone else in the process.
If he did that just because of emotional connection... that'd be pretty fucking gay.
Idk. My take is that Kaworu wasn't sure about the spears when he noticed something was off. In a few minutes Asuka was going to resume her attack, Mari was sniping them, etc. Everything was in the heat of the moment. Kaworu was obviously scared, and the best he could say is "I have a bad feeling about this".
Or it's all just poor and forced writing.
Because I'm tired of rebuildfags saying shit in eva discussions
the other day I was discussing the series and I forget what but someone asked a question and another person responded with "Well there's a theory based on what happened in the rebuilds..."
No, fuck you and fuck that, the rebuilds have nothing to do with the original series and are non canon, keep that out of the discussion, it is completely non canon.
Imaginary I think
What proof is there that it is not canon? There is plenty of evidence that it is a continuation of the original series in some way, and therefore, is canon
People have a really hard time keeping things separate between NGE, the manga, and Rebuild. They really want to force the bullshit theories no matter whether it actually applies or holds any water at all.
Just the other day I was in a thread where someone was trying to use the manga as justification for things that happened in EoE.
what if the real point is that there isnt a plot or lore at all and its all random shit anno made up. anno was just doing a mass experiment on how people create conclusions out of nothing for 20 years.
>"Kimochi warui" which could be interpreted as "I feel sick", ala morning sickness.
Not true. And that interview with Miyamura about the last line proved it.
Everyone technically was one with each other in Instrumentality. Not really sex, but legitimately merged.
Can someone explain the relationship shinji and asuka have.
I just can't pinpoint how they feel about eachother. Does shinji feel guilty for what happened to her, does he still like her, did he ever like her.
Why does asuka wanna give shinji's brain his teeth. What's asuka mad about.
3.33 gave us hope. Char development may not be as deep, but plot sure got complicated as fuck. Gives me that feel like after finding out the whole Lilith's soul was in Rei, Adam's soul was in Kaworu and how Evas come into this and how all the impact shit works. I was fucking mind-blasted. Same shit here
I believe it's the other way around. Gendo said he wanted to rewrite the Dead Sea Scrolls thus the Seele's scenario.
I believe the key element why everything went so wrong is that Gendo's plan isn't reuniting with Yui anymore, it's something better.
Seriously what is it with Reifags and Rebulid? I'm a Reifag and i fucking loved Rei Q. At least it's better than blushing rei at the end of 2.0
No, the overall plot and major plot points are consistent and actually stated in the show. That's why it's brilliant; most of the details are obviously intended, while only a few things are truly up for interpretation.
Asuka loves Shinji still because shes crazy and he is the only friend she ever had, and never made any new ones in 14 years because shes a mega bitch and a a weird mutant angel freak.
To Shinji she is a close friend, he might feel guilty about what happened, but they were still close. Probably closer then they were in NGE, since in 2.0 she wasn't such a cunt that pushed people away.
Asuka is mad because he died, and destroyed the world, and he won't shut up about Ayanami.
She doesn't actually want to hurt him, she wouldn't have punched him if there wasn't glass in the way.
>What proof is there that it is not canon?
>Prove a negative
>There is plenty of evidence that it is a continuation of the original series in some way
No, there is one shaky piece of evidence relying on Kaworu that, at the end of the day, does not provide proof of any connection.
The problem is that people use a theory that is not even close to confirmed but treat it like it is.
>Gendo's plan isn't reuniting with Yui anymore
On that, is there even confirmation that Yui is in Shogoki at all?
I'm just wondering why they changed the whole autonomous action not being a thing in Rebuilds, like Shogoki moving her arm to protect Shinji.
That and the role of Pic related.
Them having sex would explain why Shinji became so obsessed with Asuka after ep 23/24, though. Misato was still around and fully mentally functional, yet he alienated her and relied on broken Asuka for some reason.
Well it's nice to see a one of these threads that isn't all 3.0 bashing and waifu wars.
>On that, is there even confirmation that Yui is in Shogoki at all?
Yes. There was also that flashback in 3.33
>What proof is there that it is not canon?
Please tell me you're joking
>There is plenty of evidence that it is a continuation of the original series in some way, and therefore, is canon
No there isn't, there is literally no proof and the only theory that it is would be a single fucking line spoken in a post credit scene that could mean fucking anything and even if it WAS supposed to be a sequal that does not immediatly mean it's canon, plenty of games and stories have had "what if" sequals or prequals where things go differently but are still considered non canon because they didn't actually happen, if rebuild is a sequal it's the same thing here. You cannot use some stupid theory based on non canon material to explain something in the regular series.
That would simply mean they downgraded Eva to meguca-tier or even steins;gate-tier (especially 2.22 up untill the ending) which is ultimately the garbage tier.
I don't mind the loops, but i hope Anno can do better than this.
Then you don't fully understand Rei and what her whole point was.
thats why the experiment is so great. you're so desperate for a cohesive narrative that your mind has convinced you that there really is one. sasuga anno
That's why they're theories. The rebuilds haven't ended yet. You even quoted someone saying "well there's theories".
No one can claim that the rebuilds are connected to NGE but you can't can't say that they aren't either.
>that'd be pretty fucking gay
That's the point. Shinji is gay as hell in Rebuild. He has serious mommy issues too, that's the basis for his connection with Rei.
Just as planned.
He stayed away from Misato because she tried ot have sex with him.
And he saw her as a mother, and that freaked him out.
He went after Asuka because she was the only person left, and was the desire of his sexual frustration.
I don't think they actually fucked in real life, if they did, I don't think Asuka would have kileld herself, or maybe they had the most loveless and awkward sex imaginable and it traumatized both of them so much. But probably not.
Canonically Rei because mother symbolism.
>but you can't can't say that they aren't either
Yes you can actually, why can people say the manga is non canon but you can't with the rebuilds? Both are non canon spin off material and in no way affect or are related to the original, Evangelion ended with EOE.
Literall slut pretending to be a good mom.
I hope someone beheads this bitch in Rebulid
Well then you're not a reifag which kills the point of this argument, because i like her in original NGE, and i hate that they made her a shitty-ass plot device like in rebulid.
Everyone in Rebulid is a plot device for maybe except Shinji.
>That's why they're theories
That's not what's being argued here, anon. The point is that you cannot apply Rebuild or the manga to NGE and expect it to mean jack shit just because of a fucking theory.
And you CAN say that they aren't. A theory that cannot prove the connection means that they are not connected. It is up to you to prove that connection, and until then there is no reason to believe otherwise.
I'd sync with her Unit-0's if you know what I mean
And? That doesn't change anything, you could say the manga is still canon regardless of who worked on it, Psycho pass 2 is canon and is a direct sequal to Psycho Pass 1 despite being worked on and directed by completely different people, yet you can't say the same here?
Face it, it's non canon.
'Until You Come To Me' - 5 min slideshow released for animator expo with some beautiful soundtrack
yeah but you know what i mean. She was a real Kudere in the series, not a shitty ass Tsundere parody of one like in 2.22
An example that I hate to use, but seemingly must, is the Star Wars/George Lucas example.
Plenty of shit in the prequel trilogy was inconsistent and didn't make sense with the original trilogy/extended universe, yet it is considered canon. Just bc you don't like something, and because it interferes with your "canon" doesn't mean you can throw something out the window indefinitely. Whether you like it or not, the state of the Evangelion canon is unknown until the final rebuild movie comes out.
Earliest case of brainwashing was in 1.0, not 3.0.
Along with the confirmation of Shinji's childhood memories of his mother being erased in 3.0, it can be concluded that Nerv has been doing this to him for quite a while, if not throughout his entire life.
I don't think you can compare the manga to the rebuilds.
>A theory that cannot prove the connection means that they are not connected
But there are heavy implications of a connection, that's why there's so much speculation. No one's saying they are, but you can't see all the evidence and tell people they're wrong. Especially if the rebuilds haven't even finished yet.
And guess what anon, the Star Wars prequels were stated, outright, from the very beginning to be prequels to the original trilogy. That did not happen with Rebuild, so the comparison is moot. It is only the fans trying to force their theories, hanging onto old disproven evidence even to this day, claiming that it's a sequel.
>But there are heavy implications of a connection
No, there isn't.
>you can't see all the evidence and tell people they're wrong
Yes, I can.
You believe that there is so much more going for the theory it's not even funny. Do you still believe everything on the sequel chart is true?
Basically every piece of dialog she has in that movie is about her being tsundere for Shinji.
They don't really have the same kind of sexual frustrating relationship they had in the original, so it all comes off as kinda weird and one sided on Asukas part.
They even go out of their way with it in some parts about Shinji not projecting her, and even having Mari comment on it.
They just didn't really have much for Asuka to do in the rebuilds
> example is moot even though it is a perfect comparison
> Disproven evidence
> final movie isn't even out yet
You keep grasping at straws. What part of "Canon is unknown at this point until final movie is released" is so hard for you to accept?
There has been plenty of examples of evidence posted in this thread, there isnt just one unified sequel theory.
>No, there isn't
Can you explain why? I'd like you invalidate all the evidence that has been posted everywhere for the past couple of years.
I'm not saying that the rebuilds are connected, but you shouldn't squash everyone's fun by saying they aren't without proof.
Many things that you people use as evidence has been disproven, like the reason for the sea being red; it's stated outright in the movies that it was caused by Second Impact.
>there isnt just one unified sequel theory.
And many people like to use that to justify switching from one to another all willy nilly when one doesn't work out. Pick one and defend it.
i'm not lying doe
Kaji vs watermelons fight ended in watermelons entering their pseudo evolved state and awakening the spirit of detroit
>All the evidence
Oh yes, all that evidence of vague visuals or single lines of dialogue that are getting taken way out of context, the delusion here is baffling. You likewise shouldn't say they are connected without proof, it's a two way street.
> I'd like you invalidate all the evidence that has been posted everywhere for the past couple of years.
That's an absurd task for many reasons, both due to quantity and the fact that many people like to come up with theories that cannot be disproven and pretend like that makes it absolute fact.
Pick a theory and I'll tell what's wrong with it. Post or link to images where you can.
>but you shouldn't squash everyone's fun by saying they aren't without proof.
My issue is not with speculating or coming up with theories and shit, but with using outdated, disproven evidence as if it holds any meaning what-so-ever. People have been holding onto the same shit for at least half a decade now even though much of it has been obsolete even from the second it was first proposed.
IS THERE AN EXCUSE WHY YOUR CHRISTMAS TREE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THIS YET?
You are being an asshole and derailing discussion bc something does not settle nicely with you about things being "up in the air"
That is your argument? " choose a theory and stick to it"
We are all free thinking individuals anon, how can we agree on something that hasn't been confirmed or denied yet?
>lines of dialogue that are getting taken way out of context
Oh, yeah sure. Because there are SO many other ways Kaworu's lines can be taken. Just shut the fuck up. You anti-sequel fags are worse than sequelfags.
>"But you can't disprove it!"
I don't think you know how this works, anon.
It's not about others calling out to disprove the works. It's about being able to come up with interesting answers to the rebuilds and waiting to see if they hold true. We can all come up with whether we think the rebuilds are connect or not but non of it matters until anno puts out the last movie. Until then, you shouldn't squander other people's fun just because you don't want NGE to be ruined.
> how can we agree on something that hasn't been confirmed or denied yet?
I don't know, how can people pretend it's 100% confirmed or act like it's 100% a sequel when it has not been confirmed yet?
If you're just going to go all wishy washy, jumping back and forth between one theory or another it makes any conversation on the topic fucking stupid. With all the myriad different versions I have to ask every single individual anon what their preferred version of the theory is, and then if someone joins in half way through, they may subscribe to a different version and that's a huge waste of time.
guys, the rebuilds are just milking the series success and packaging it up for normalfags. Eva ended with EoE. "rebuilds" are just that. They aren't psychologically inspired. The manga ended after EoE. It's over. It's literally over.
I watched one rebuild and it was devoid of the themes that were in eva. The crisis ended on EoE. You can watch anno's work and be a fan, but he's not inspired anymore. He's done his work of genius and now it's about paying the bills.
The problem is not with coming up with theories or not. The problem is with applying things from one series to another because you have some headcanon that they're a sequel even though there is no confirmation on that at all.
Do not lose track of where this conversation started anon.