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Nothing.
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>>119040294
Nothing.
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It's the culmination of the "tell don’t show" tendencies of LN adaptations.
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>>119040294
Literally nothing.

Tsuki tomorrow
Kizu never
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>>119041143
>Tsuki tomorrow
Miracle of the fucking universe.
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>>119041143
Wait, I forgot.

Tsuki tomorrow
Subs never
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>>119041272
>>119041223
>>119041143
WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME.
I have hope. Horriblesubs will save the day. Surely.

Fuck, I'd even take commie.
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>>119040294
Snake did nothing wrong.
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The vampire loli got in the way.
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>>119041307
By horrible subs you mean crunchyroll. Horriblesubs is a rip group not a subbing group they just release ripped crunchyroll shit.
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>>119041307
Daisuki already announced they'll simulcast Tsuki.
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Best OP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N6IM-L7fLw
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Snake a shit but she had godlike OPs and made for some great arcs in Second Season.
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>>119040294
What are you referring to?

The series? It went right in almost every way.

Nadeko? She has two of the best OPs and is a very entertaining character. Protip: you're not supposed to like her.
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>>119041564
>It went right in almost every way.
Except for Nothing Happens: The Season
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>>119041564
Then why do I like her so much
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>>119041596
I honestly don't know what you're referring to, that could describe the entire series or none of it at all.
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Like in general or snake specifically?
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>>119041452
I realize that. I still have hope.
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>>119041654
Hana
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The victim became the perpetrator or whatever nonsense nisio was pushing.
>character's flaw is her passivity and victim complex
>suddenly she's all about retribution

Usually the only thing anything he writes has is good internally cohesive characters but Snake's shit was out of character long before she ate the tag and completely lost it.
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>>119041642
You have terrible taste in personalities.
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>>119041747
Lot's of things happened in Hana.

Also do CR's subs suck and should I wait for decent ones? I don't mind waiting if they are just going to butcher it.
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>>119041747
Hana was one of the worst arcs overall. Kaiki, Araragi and that last basketball match were the only things worthwhile.
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>>119041818
Hana was terrible.
Monogatari is all about Nisio's 'you're living your life incorrectly' speeches and Hana is all 'experiment and be a kid it's ok don't let them get you down'.
It was literally bizarre to read.
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>>119041753
Not really. Snake is basically the textbook quiet kid who shows up one day and shoots up the school.

She's always had a victim complex because she's too self centered and narcissistic to trust anyone and blames everyone else for her problem while at the same time as attributing it to malice.

She's always dealt with it by ignoring it until it went away but it stopped working in medusa.
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>>119041484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODZE5peUfWQ
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>>119041969
Your powers of interpretation are terrible
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>>119041969
That's... not what hana was about at all.
It was about approaches to interpersonal relationships and how to help other people.

Where the fuck did you get 'experiment and be a kid it's ok don't let them get you down'?

The whole thing was about growing up and leaving your childhood behind. I mean the fucking OP was called that.

Am I being trolled here?
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>>119041775
> implying
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>>119041775
Why is Cat the only girl who's hairstyle actually improved?
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>>119042041
I've never seen a Renai mix that I dislike.

Posting the GOAT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEoMI9BwHp4
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>>119042199
Monkey got ponytail so that's objectively not true.
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>>119042231
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEoMI9BwHp4
How does this have almost 2 million views?
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>>119042309
monkey had great hair throughout the show
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>>119042357
because snake a best
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>>119042583
why?
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>>119042583
Nobody, snake a worst.
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>>119042817
This is just my >opinion, but I personally liked how her problem was different from all the other girls. It dealt with something that you might see in a realistic teenager that doesn't want to face responsibilities i.e. ignoring things and blaming it on everything around her
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>>119043039
what did you think about her in s2
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>>119040294
She was a fucking slut since day 1
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>>119043163
Pretty much what I said in >>119043039 since in S1 there's nothing to learn about her character. Although it's kind of sad that she'll never truly learn to face her problems but instead simply avoid the sources that cause them.
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>>119043212
But she was the pure kind of slut.
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>>119043039
That's why I like her too.

Also, she wants to fuck.
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>>119043269
One of us, one of us, one of us
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>>119043379
AKA the worst kind.
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MasterRace
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cat is worst
cat ruins series
cat does everything wrong
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Do you remember the characters' actual names though?
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>>119041642
>>119042583
>>119043379
>same fucking picture 3 times

How many times are you going to post a shit?
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>>119043624
Only the first one was me
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>>119043523
I normally hate tsunderes, but Crab is the best.
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>>119043624
Snake a cute.
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>>119043624
there's more than one of us
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>>119043523
She's... okay.

I might be tsundere for this tsundere.
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>>119043740
That's because she barely qualifies as a tsundere.
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Snake is made for hate fucking.
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w-where is this dance from, /a/
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>>119043598
Hikani
Haneneko
Saruga
Ushikuji
Senhebi

I'm pretty sure that's close right?
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>Snake knew she wouldn't win
>She just wanted to do something about it
>/a/ hates her for that
;_;
It genuinely make me sad. Why does /a/ only like Mary Sue and doormats?
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>>119043768
>>119043732
>implying I suggested otherwise

You're still fucking doing it.
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>>119043952
>do something about that
>kill everyone

That's why.
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>>119040294
bad parents

i mean how absent you must be to let your daughter turn into a nadeko
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The courage to post best girl
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>>119044005
At least she tried. That makes her better than the whole cast.
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>>119044068
But anon thats not Nadeko
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>>119043915
carameldansen?
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>>119044099
>can't do something right
>do something stupid instead

You don't get participation awards for being an idiot anon.
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>>119044068
I think you flubbed your post.

Here I will fix it for you.
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>>119044189
>The courage to post a slut
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>>119044189
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>>119044189
What a tiny image.

You can almost not tell you posted the wrong girl.
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>>119044298
This nigga knows whats up
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>>119043960
My name is legion for we are many.
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>>119040294
absolutely nothing
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hi
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>>119044549
Is she shedding?
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>>119042231
How about this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp0w346xI28
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>>119043039
>being that slut in that age

typical broken teen-pregnancy girl
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>>119044655
That's more of a fucked up mistranslated abomination of a cover than a mashup.
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>>119044655
That's actually kinda cute except for the horrible 'rapping' part.
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>>119042145
>>119042098
Everything in Hana was about 'it's part of growing up'.
This is a direct contrast to the iron clad judgment passed down in all the other novels. Even her mother gets a pass based on personality differences.
All the other novels are
>x is shit this is why
>y is shit this is why
>z is hypocritical but I don't care and this is why
And suddenly Hana's all
>oh well your mom and you don't get each other but it's ok and either way you dealt with dead dyke would've been alright

You cannot possibly claim that this isn't an extreme contrast with the other novels. It's the duality of the final decision lacking a iron clad Nisio judgment that makes Hana radically different than all the other novels in the series.
And that's where the 'be a kid it's ok it's part of growing up' comes from. It's literally the first time in the series the climax doesn't crush Nisio's intended target. It is frankly bizarre.
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>>119042041
>>119042231
>>119044655

what if tehrie challenged kanahanaon who's the better moeblob VA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he47q6BSoYs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xKfZ-j1CV0

dat dude in the black suit
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>>119044973
Also, sugita circulation ver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EA9iSfVjlk
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>>119043952
if you watched the show, snake never wanted to win the araragi bowl, she just used him as an excuse so that boys wouldnt ask her out.

decides to kill everyone
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>>119045106

Haha never saw that before pretty funny
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>>119044854
That's bullshit. Kanbaru dunked Numachi for not living her death correctly. There was no duality, Kanbaru made the right choice in the end.

It was not ambiguous.
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>>119042231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRQ4cdCM6JU
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What went wrong?
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>>119045501
There's no dunk. There's no indictment. It's an even bigger pity party than Snake's first outing.
You can't dismiss Araragi and Dead Gaen's acceptance of either way was fine either.
Especially the former, her Mom would've been shit all over on by Nisio in any other novel for not conforming to the monogatari's 'you gotta confront stuff' overarching theme. In Hana it's treated as a perfectly valid option by two people, even if it isn't the one selected again.
Nigga that's crazy.
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>>119040294
>What went wrong?

NADEKO DID NOTHING WRONG!
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>>119045471

That's not entirely true. What I took from it was that she was legitimately infatuated with him, like a puppy love on steroids, but not with the real Araragi, just with her idealized version of him, based on her memories from childhood of him being kind and whatever other fantasies she projected onto him. Somewhere in her twisted little mind she knows that the romance she fantasizes about with her idealized Koyomi Onii-chan can never be, both because he does not return her feelings, and ultimately because her feelings are not really for the real him to begin with, but she refuses to consciously accept either of those facts, hoping instead to ignore it just like she ignores all her problems, hoping they will go away eventually.

When she is no longer able to ignore the facts, she decides to instead accept things as they are and becomes adamant that there is nothing wrong in the first place. She loves a false image of Koyomi who doesn't exist, and the real Koyomi, while fond of her on some level, will never love her. But isn't that fine, (she thinks)? In fact it's convenient that way. She can tell other boys she likes someone else, she can enjoy the (false) feeling of being in love, and she never has to risk rejection or heartache of any kind, nor does she have to deal with the trials and tribulations and messy parts of making a real relationship work. It's better than a real relationship in her mind. Loving idealized Koyomi is ideal. Better than actual love with another person.

Nadeko is a waifufag. She has the EXACT same psychological viewpoint as a waifufag.

When she eats the Golden Ticket and becomes the Snake God, she decides to kill Koyomi and the others in order to prevent the real Araragi and his friends/girlfriend from ruining her imaginary Koyomi by existing and possibly forcing her to see them doing things her ideal Koyomi wouldn't do, so it's better to kill the real one and love the imaginary one forever.
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>>119045861
How is it treated as a valid opinion? And how is Araragi wishy washy about it? He specifically tells her she needs to do what she thinks is right. The lesson here was not to ignore your own feelings in the hope you will just become accustomed to reality without changing anything. It's to go and fix the things in your life that bother you.

Her mom's philosophy is the same, do something and not just be stagnant water.
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This reminds me, I need to figure out the other shows that spawned off of Bakemonogatari.

Can anyone provide me a list of the various -monogatari shows in release order? Gets confusing to try to follow...
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>>119045949
The fact that snake is basically the average anon is undeniable.
So how are there still snakefags? Do you want to go to a 4chan meetup? Would you want to meet other people like that?

Snake is the worst. People defending her are in denial about themselves.
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>>119046184
Watch sure to watch Kizu and then Katanagatari.
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>>119046184
>being this bait
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>>119046232
Alright, and I think I'm all set now. Just found a wiki page with the list of episodes showing the series by release. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Monogatari_episodes
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>>119046200
It's hard to dismiss Snake's distrust of people when her class, her friends, her teacher, her parents, and bat are actually confederated against her. Literally the only person just looking out for her is onii-chan.
It's like doing a show about the stupidity of paranoia whilst the MC is actually being tracked by aliens the whole time.

Could Snake have dealt with it better? Of course. Is she actually wrong about what's making her angry? Nope.
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>>119045949
i think i need to rewatch the show or something becasue im pretty sure its more heavily implied that nadeko was just using her crush on kyomi as an excuse to get out of responsibilities

i think she even said it would be easier to have an unrequited love if the other person was dead

this being her justification for killing araragi
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>>119046200

Nadeko was fine with the way things were, it was the bullying from bathag and fake sister that got her to snap!!
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>>119046083
It is because he says 'do what you think' instead of 'this is right this is wrong' that it's different.
Her Mom's the antithesis to monogatari's theme and she's just treated as a different but not outright wrong opinion.
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>>119046422
>implying any of that is true
>implying snake is not an unreliable narrator
>implying she's not actually paranoid

If you believe snake's narrative you're a bigger idiot than she is.
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>>119046684
He's speech in the car was about what's right for her. Doing what she thinks is right is the right thing for her .

How is her mom the antithesis? Do you not even understand what she said?
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Are you fuckers platinum ready for AOTY on the last day of the year?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX9Jb_vbFGw
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>>119046566

Those things are true, as my post you are replying to says, it's just also a bit more complex than that. She does "love" Araragi, but it's not real love, it's an obsessive infatuation with her idealized version of him. Being able to use that infatuation as an excuse for things is just a side benefit for her.

The last part is basically true though. Having the person she is infatuated with dead means that the real Araragi can't fuck up her relationship with the imagined one. It's also romantic to be in love with someone who's dead in her infantile mind. (Ignoring the fact that it would be her who killed him if she had her way.)

That's why I say she is just like a waifufag. She feels like an unrequited love with an imaginary person is far preferable to the messiness and potential hearbreak of a real life relationship with another person.
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>>119046704
>the class being fuckwits because of Kaiki's visit never happened
>her parents coddling her as illustrated by never opening the closet never happened
>phoenix turning on her never happened
>bat being bat never happened
>the teacher's malaise after watching kaiki's handywork wreck his class never happened
Sure anonymous it's all in her head.
Literally the only thing I listed not perceived by a third party is the teacher, but it fits with the objectively observed decline of her classmates.
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>>119047155
>phoenix turning on her never happened
>bat being bat never happened

Where did you see this? During snake's narration? During snake's narration of a time she clearly lost it?

Do you even know what unreliable narrator means?

The only part that can be seen as somewhat accurate is her parent's coddling of her because that was seen from Kaiki's point of view.
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>>119047287
Phoenix is questioned by Araragi and she confirms their conversation via the phone.
Bat confirms their conversation right before she eats the tag by calling back to it.

If she's just an unreliable narrator then she'd have to literally be retconning Nise.
The only thing not referred back to by a third party is the Teacher. That's it.
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Posting best girl
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>>119047481
I'm not saying the conversations never happened but how you see them is through the eyes of snake.

Everyone being overly confrontational and antagonistic is all in snake's head because that's how she sees the world.
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>>119047681
>cat herself is refuting you in the pic
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>>119047681
Posting best girl
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>>119046893
i just cant remember anything that implied what you are saying as true
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>>119047694
Except we objectively know her class is falling apart from Nise.
Her theme of self inflicted tragedy breaks down if her class being in its state of collapse isn't true. It has to be true for her lying to Araragi on the phone when she's so close to confronting an issue directly to be tragic.
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>>119047999

Then it's time for a rewatch.
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>>119046422
Anon, Nadeko herself wouldn't agree with your view of events.
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>>119047681
>Posting most boring girl

fixed it
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>>119048049
We know there is a problem in her class but what state it's in, how the rest of the class sees her and what the teacher asked her to do are all things we see from her perspective. All the narrators in monogatari are unreliable to a certain extent but with snake it's taken to an extreme. So much so that most of what happens is shown to be downright false. You are supposed to question everything snake says and shows you.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here
>Her theme of self inflicted tragedy breaks down if her class being in its state of collapse isn't true. It has to be true for her lying to Araragi on the phone when she's so close to confronting an issue directly to be tragic.
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>>119048176
No, she would say it's right on the money.

Which why it's terribly wrong.
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>>119048334
>So much so that most of what happens is shown to be downright false.
For example?
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>>119048654
the snake that was following her was never there, she was just delusional for that whole part
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>>119046200
>Not enjoying Snake because she's flawed in the same way as you.
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>>119048712
Other than the snake, which was called out in the show, what are other examples of her being unreliable? What points to her talks with Phoenix and Bat not going the she showed them?
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>>119048654
The snake pretending to be a scrunchy was actually a scrunchy, her conversation with Ougi she pretended to forget she remembered which shaped the rest of the arc, the real reason she snuck out of her house and dug a bunch of holes in the sand pit and what she was really doing in Araragi's house when he took her there and how it was actually just part of her plan to steal the talisman.

So... pretty much most of it.
With that in mind, showing how much of the story was bent, twisted or outright fabricated, the question left is why you believe any of it at all?
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>>119048334
How can you not get it? Not confronting and dealing with your own issues is the whole theme of the series (or half of it but whatever).
It's tragic that she realizes she needs help but then backs out and doubles down on her delusions at the last possible moment.

Nothing is downright false about what she claims except for the Snake talking to her.
Her hair getting cut and her being told to man up by Phoenix are confirmed by Tsukihi and her Brother. Bat trolling the piss out of her is referred back to by Bat herself and nowhere near outside of her character I'm sure even you'll agree. We know her class is on the ropes because of the events in Nise. We know her parents are checked out.

It's hard for me to take Nisio's especially harsh smackdown of Snake when she's literally just doing what everyone else did in their first arcs: making a bad situation worse.
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>>119048881
You can assume that lots of what happened is based on actual events, but twisted so as to make Nadeko look good. Picking out where the lies are is not too difficult if you've seen the ending.
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>>119049051
First of all
>Not confronting and dealing with your own issues is the whole theme of the series (or half of it but whatever).
is the main problem with snake, she never does the other half. Is it unfair for niso to not have her go through it? Maybe, but it is what it is. She never goes through the growth the other characters do.

Secondly lots of things are downright false about her narration. If you don't remember go rewatch the last medusa episode.
The question becomes what is true, what is mostly true what is twisted by her perception and what is just false.

The only sure thing is trusting her narration at false value is just stupid.
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>>119049130
This is the point I'm trying to make here. Everything shown in medusa is shown through a snake filter. Taking it at face value is naive.
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>>119041827
I still get sad when I see his beard. It's nice that he's alive still, but his perfect face has been soiled.

Tsuki will be easy to stream online somewhere without an account anywhere, or will I have to download to get the subbed version?
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>>119044068
>the courage to post dead girl
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>>119049298
I take nothing at face value from her and never have which is why I repeatedly have brought up things that are confirmed by other characters and even other novels.
Again I say the only thing without a third party reference are her accusations toward her teacher.
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>>119049703
You're missing the point. The existence of the events is not the only thing in question. How they actually happened has to be questioned too. Just because you get confirmation that Nadeko and Tsukihi/Shinobu talked doesn't mean it went down exactly how Nadeko showed it.
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>>119040294
It was haremshit so it was bound to go wrong from the start.
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>>119049927
Shinobu's conversation with Nadeko seems pretty legit considering her personality.
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>>119049927
If you think Bat's conversation and it's three wheel direct continuation didn't happen you're willfully bending the narrative.
What's shown to be false are her talking to the Snake and her redactions from one conversation.
Applying unreliable narrator to anything else except for what was explicitly refuted is non-sequitur. For this novel or any of the others.
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Jesus fuck, will we ever stop having to explain Medusa to retarded snakefags?

Shit that was directly stated:
-Nadeko was planning on stealing the talisman from Araragi and killing him ever since she talked to Ougi.
-Kuchinawa never existed. She pretended that he existed in order to get Araragi to worry about her and let her into his house.

If you're not a moron you can extrapolate these facts:
-Tsukihi was holding an intervention for Nadeko. No, Nadeko didn't like it, but it was done out of concern for Nadeko herself.
-Shinobu could tell Nadeko was taking advantage of Araragi and plotting something, and chewed her out for it.

There's not really much that's interesting to discuss about Medusa other than to what degree did Nadeko actually love Araragi.
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>>119050381
So what? She's cute.
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>>119050381
>-Tsukihi was holding an intervention for Nadeko. No, Nadeko didn't like it, but it was done out of concern for Nadeko herself.
>implying she wasn't removing a romantic rival
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>>119049927
>Just because you get confirmation that Nadeko and Tsukihi/Shinobu talked doesn't mean it went down exactly how Nadeko showed it.
Are there proofs to the contrary? Because the way the conversations go doesn't seem like something out of Nadeko's delusions. First, both Tsukihi and Shinobu's characterizations are spot on, and while she does know Tsukihi, she has never met Shinobu before. Second, they directly bring up her issues, which she avoids; why would she portray her own issues exactly how they are if she's deliberately twisting the narration?
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>>119050516
The only thing she twists is her reaction not being her own fault.
Everything else happened because it's not relevant to her phony escape clause that her reaction wasn't her own.

It's like you people think me saying the school shooter was bullied is absolution for the shooting. It isn't.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvIEztK_gwQ

best subs
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>>119043598
After watching three seasons of it you'd fucking better.
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>>119046200
No, but I would fuck anon if he was a cute 2d girl.
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>>119050331
I'm not saying the conversations didn't happen. I'm saying trusting Nadeko to tell us the way it really happened is stupid. I've been saying this for a few posts now but you're not fucking listening.

I'm willfully bending the narrative? The medusa narrative is a pretzel.
Go watch it again. When Nadeko ran into Ougi Ougi told her about the talisman and Nadeko decided to steal it then. She made up the snake to get Koyomi to worry about her, snuck out of the house and went somewhere he would find her so she could get into his house. She then stole the key so she could sneak back into his house later when there was nobody home so she could search the house.

This is fucking fact. Nadeko confirms this. The entire fucking arc is one giant lie until it's reviled at the end. Nadeko's conversations with Shinbo and Tsukihi are part of this narrative. While they probably actually happened because they are confirmed by outside sources they most likely went down nothing like what you saw.

Try and extrapolate a bit anon.
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>>119050737
Man commie is shit, but these subs are god tier
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>>119049446
but anon, everyone changed their hair, even Arararagi.

Kaiki realized his hair was so cool that there was nothing he could do to change it, but he didn't want to be left out of the hair-change==character change everyone else was going though
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I just have to say, I am not normally one for amvs

that said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZfFAPii2gE
amazing
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>>119050905
Literally tsundere.
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>>119050860
Her delusions are for the abscondment of her own reaction. These are explicitly stated.
The delusions are not for inventing the situation, they're for excusing her reaction to it.

It is not extrapolation to go beyond this, it's non sequitur.
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The OP was so damn good.
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too many seasons, I don't feel like the quality of writing or animation went down. I just got burnt out of watching monogatari and it spirals out of control after you delay on watching one season
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>>119051045
I don't like the subs.

The kanji filled hardsubbed karaoke lyrics are permanently an 80's throwback. They don't morph. So the English subs shouldn't morph either they should stay piss yellow.
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>>119051144
What was the deal with piss yellow colored subs?
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>>119050993
>dubstep
>shitloads of filters
>completely incoherent
This is Reddit-tier bullshit.
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