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Why doesn't /a/ like shoujo?
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Why doesn't /a/ like shoujo?
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Because most anons are male.
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>>118592243
most shoujos are painfully slow have piss poor romance. I love romance, but I can only watch a girl spilling spaghetti for the five hundredth time if the series offers something else to make up for it.
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Because it's for Japanese fujoshi.
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>>118592243
All the boys are hotter than me.
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because the good stuff doesn't get adapted
or translated
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I actually appreciate a bunch of stuff about shojo, like that everything isn't about being strong or clever. The stories can be a little slower and some of the ways they handle "what women should do" makes me sad but it's definitely a nice change from shonen/seinen
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Josei works are usually a lot better.
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>>118592667

This. It's not often thar doesn't have any of that
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>>118592777

This is definitely true from my experience.
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Shoujo anime are for little girls.
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I like shoujo. It's one of the few genres that tends to, at the very least, get a good kiss in after a potential year's worth of interaction.

It's just when the male love interest is fucking superman that I drop the show.
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>>118592857
>women aren't allowed to dream
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>>118592243
Because the male love interest is always a douche bag asshole, yet the girl still falls in love with him.
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The male lead is almost always insufferable.
just like most harem shows really.

Japan can't write male characters
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>>118593117
That's correct. They should belong in the kitchen, making miso soup.
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The eyes
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>>118593155
>>118593146
Nope they are adorable. Also far more likable than you. Which is why Chads get women and you don't.
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>>118593146
How many women have fallen in love with your beta feminist respectful self anon?
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>>118592243

Because anyone who isn't a prominent named character is a dull stereotype who either acts like a 5 year-old or a shallow whore, often both.
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>>118592735
>fujoshi
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
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>>118593146
>shonen
Because the female love interest is always an abrasive bitch, yet the guy still falls in love with her.
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>>118593304
That can't be, there's no anon in shoujo.
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>>118593352
You mean tsunderes? That's not always true anon.
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>>118593146
I've seen a shoujo starring a raging tomboy and a sensitive guy with girly interests as the main couple, and it was still shit because all it did was focus on the wacky hijinks of their bishie friends

That romance though
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>>118592243
I do. I think it's just that /a hates fun
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>>118592243
I like Shoujo, however that particular anime is fucking garbage.
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>>118595300
Did it give you vietnam flashbacks to highschool?
Well you're too much of an excrement bag for love.
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I like shoujo, what the fuck are you trying to imply?
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>>118592243

Its predictable. the only way to move the plot along is by introducing another boy. Literally every character is an ignorant fuck that doesn't give a shit about the main female characters feelings.
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Sturgeon's law applies to shoujo too. There are some titles that are enjoyable though.
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>>118593146
But that's just the inverse of a shounen/seinen romance.
>guy is a total faggot
>girl falls in love with him for inexplicable reasons
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Why is it that shounen and seinen usually portray women as pure and innocent, but shoujo often have them as slutty as possible? Should it not be the other way round?
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A lot of shoujo/josei anime don't appeal to me, but there's good manga out there.
>>118597015
Hey, that's different. It's pandering to my demographic.
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>>118592243
They often have the same plot
>Ordinary girl
>Alpha prince
>Prince has a dark/troubled past that the girl wants to poke her nose in
etc.
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But I love shoujo. Old shoujo.

>Rose of Versailles
>Utena
>MKR
>Princess Tutu
>CCS
>Onii-sama e
>Sukeban Deka
>etc

I've moved on to Josei though since we don't get this kind of Shoujo anymore.
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Can we talk about Ao Haru Ride and the perfection that is Kou?
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>>118592243
I can't watch shoujo and I'm a girl. It's boring. High School settings are boring. Romance is boring.

The only good anime has pizza, blood, tragedy and violence.
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>>118592243
Dude is an asshole. His saving grace is good looks.
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>>118597312
>not being able to enjoy a wide variety of anime
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>>118592243
Most of it's stupidly innocent. If the cast was full of pre-teens, their behaviour would be somewhat realistic. With late-teens, it's fucking stupid and cringe-worthy.
I want a shoujo series with a female protagonist who isn't a complete fucking wallflower and actually deals with ongoing sexual relationships between her and the rest of her friends/lovers.
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>>118592667
Harems (vaguely disguised as non-harem) are the same shit but ya'll niggas still eat that shit up and put like 15 of those generals up at once.
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Anyone else drop Akatsuki no Yona? I expected a decent fantasy and not a reverse harem with bad comedy moments.
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>>118597540
I do often wonder how retarded the writers think young Japanese girls are. Apparently very much so since they not only present some idealized dream guy, but also the main relationship is ridiculously chaste. You'd be lucky to see them hold hands once every ten chapters, and god forbid they kiss, real couples only do that when Haley's Comet can be seen from Earth.
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>>118597674
Yeah, it's disappointing. Barely any action, boring fantasy world, obvious reverse harem element. Call me when there's another strong female character in the cast.
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>>118592243
same shit over and over, pacing too slow
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>>118597752
Same applies to shounen though. The MC is only allowed to kiss a girl if it's the end of the series and once that is done they're bound together for eternity.
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Because I'm jealous of the boys, and Old shoujo was better.
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>>118597625
You don't watch haremshit for romance, you ignore it for the action.
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>>118597850
Yeah, but at least shounen typically has the dignity of not actually having the main couple be a couple before that point. Shoujo can literally have them declaring their love every other chapter and never physically expressing it.
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>>118597806
>Call me when there's another strong female character in the cast.
You should give this a try.

;_;
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>>118597752
I remember seeing haley's comet when I was a kid. was pretty cool.
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>>118597258
Ao Haru Ride was painfully mediocre. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't good either. Everything about it was boring, the reactions of the characters were boring, the events were boring. I don't really remember much from it, except I know that the guy the main character accidentally groped will be best boy later.
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>>118597625
>watching harem for romance
u wot m8
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Why don't girls and fags enjoy harem and fan service heavy SoL? What a stupid questions. The only remotely decent shoujo are the ones where the couple is already married from the get go, and even then it's hardly a shoujo and more of a SoL comedy featuring a married couple.
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>>118598116
Shoujo is a demographic.
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>>118597370
B-but she can change him! She's special like that and totally not like the other girls he humped and dumped!

I love when people shit on how awful romance is in haremshit and shonen, as if shoujo romance is even remotely decent.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-n-VFA0FAs

I like Sailor Moon though.
The point of shoujo comes down to the story and what age or audience they want.
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>>118598150
Yes, and thus will not feature anything that alienates and displeases that audience. Which means it won't offer anything to anyone who doesn't have the mindset of a tween girl.
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>>118598116
Can you name any of these married couple shoujos? I'm interested in marriage manga but the only one I can think of is Hapi Mari.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmWh7YVXotQ

Then there's Josei. Women like Josei though.
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You're kidding right? We watch a lot more shit aimed at fujos and girls, than they watch shit aimed at us.
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This one is pretty good this season
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>>118592243
Because it has been confirmed by deleted threads with pretty much the same opening post as yours, that a fat hambeast like yourself keeps samefagging and making these threads and filling them with her tumblrshit, OP, so go fuck yourself.
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>>118598225
The original Sailor Moon anime was much, much better.
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>>118598361
True true. I discovered my inner lesbian in that show too.
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>>118598411
Based Ikuhara making the lesbians relevant and interesting
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>>118598467
For the record! I don't like girls. But I would...If it was Haruka. I still melt.
I Had good childhood memories of this show.
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>>118598062
Maybe it's because I'm a pure maiden at heart, but I enjoyed it a lot. It's not really eventful or plot driven, but rather it's about the little moments and feelings you get from watching and having the characters learn and mature. I just love watching pure and clumsy high school romances.
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>>118598356
So where's the tumblrshit ITT then.
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>>118598514
>For the record! I don't like girls.
>I discovered my inner lesbian in that show too.
Whatever you've got to tell you'reself, anon.
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But I like Hana Yori Dango, and I watched the 3DPD dramas
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>>118598598
The actor and actress for Domyouji and Tsukushi supposedly got married this year.
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>>118597115
Men don't like sluts, they want her to be only theirs. Women don't mind sluts because they like to identify with the girl who gets lots of attention from men.
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>>118598723
Men don't like sluts, but they sure do like their bodies. So you have to have a body of a slut, but not be a slut. Guys are complicated, it's all eyes, eyes and yes down. They just go, boobs! And nothing else matters.
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>>118597430
Utena always reminded me of Madonna. Those wild times ya know. Girls just wanna fun and like a virgin, etc.
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>>118598808
Speak for yourself, I'd rather an experienced girl than a pure maiden, so long as she's being exclusive with me.
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>>118598848
>Girls just wanna fun
But that's Cyndi Lauper.
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>>118592464
What does that have to do with anything?
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>>118598891
Oh! I was very high back then either way. I wasn't a "saint" back then either. Then again, I kinda regret a lot of things during those times.
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/a/ loves shoujo. They just don't all know what it is yet.
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>>118592243
I went into this show expecting a Japanese 50 shades of grey.

What a disappointment.
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>>118598723
>Women don't mind sluts
Mate, you obviously know fuck all about women. Almost all the slut-shaming in the west comes from women who don't like having to compete, so they try and shame other women into monogamous relationships.
Casual sex? You're a filthy slut/whore/etc
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I like Onegai Teacher. Initially, it wasn't the kind of stuff one would expect, but it turned out quite good. If you are "into" that sort of stuff. I kinda opened my mind to a broader aspect of relationships. I mean, why shouldn't a woman have a younger husband?
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Stuff you should read. Yes, I am a male.

American Ghost Jack.
Private Prince.
Virgin Hotel.
Vampire Secretary.
Kindan no Koi wo Shiyou
Otoyomegatari
Emma
Shirley
Dorohedoro

For more mature female readers. "Kindan" or "Toriko - Aigan Shoujo" By the female Mangaka OSAKABE Mashin.
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You're terribly small.
You should have baited or made a thread based on FREE!, if you wished to have more people.
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>>118598072
>watching harem for the fanservice
>sex never
>blue balls forever
And that's why I don't even bother with that shit.
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>>118597625
Diabolik Lovers. The only confirmed harem that the female MC has sex with almost all of them. In some situations, more than one at the same time. But at that point, it's Polyandry rather than harem.

Since, they are all brothers.
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>>118596988

Off the top of my head for Shoujo series that aren't typical trash

>Tonari no Kaibutsu
>Ore Monogatari
>Chihayafuru? or is that Josei?
>Kobato
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>>118599967
Can't believe I forgot Lovely Complex
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>>118597540
>>118597752
>>118597841
I am sorry for you being sluts
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>>118599464
>btw i'm a guy
Fuck off.
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>>118592243
Does Douman Saiman's work count as shoujo?
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>>118599464
>Dorohedoro
This is shoujo? Girl comics confirmed for fucking awesome.
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>>118600429
No, but it's written by a woman.
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>implying I don't like shoujo
>implying I don't self-insert as the girl for a better experience
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>>118592243
/a hates everything
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>>118597430
Utena was one of a kind though. OP is probably talking about the generic romance shows nowadays.
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>>118592243
I like it.
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>>118600605
>Utena was one of a kind though
Please don't remind me
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>>118599464
I can feel the tipping from my computer.
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>>118600640
What? You don't like chocolate?
Don't tell me you wouldn't do a nubian beauty.
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>>118592243
But I do.
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>>118599464
>Yes, I am a male.
Nah, nah! You ain't fooling me bitch!
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>>118600697
I thought you were talking about the show, not the character.

I like Utena, but Anthy is undeniably best girl.
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>>118600493
>she doesn't self-insert as a male instead of a female
>she doesn't like cute yaoi

Fucking casual.
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>>118600757
>2014
>Not self-inserting as the cute boy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtzDAmRhD9s
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>>118600757
But males are ugly and hard.
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>>118600799
You can only self-insert as the cute boy if he's being woo'ed by another cute boy.
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>>118600823
>ugly and hard.

Some are big and juicy though. If ya know what am saying.
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>>118600859
I prefer those traits in a grill.
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I always pickup the shoujo anime of the season because they usually have good OPs, and the side character romance sub plots are usually better then the main one. it's also a good reminder that any female charter with out a name is a two faced back stabbing gossiping whore.
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>>118600859
Lewd, anon.
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>>118592243
I kinda prefer shoujo to shonen, actually.
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>>118593146
>>118593352

why arent there more abrasive bitch/douchebag asshole relationships in muh cambodian cartoons
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The only shoujo I have enjoyed reading is Fruit Basket because Horse girl is hot as fuck.
Too bad the author must go full SUFFERING and decided to cut her hair off.
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>>118600859
>juicy
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>>118592243
2Telenovela4me
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>>118597625
it's to my understanding that most of /a/ believe that harems are unanimously poor productions.

they watch them boners, nothing else.
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Older shoujos are nice.
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Neo /a/ don't like shoujo.
Old /a/ fags was all about the shoujo and josei
See D.N.Angel threads for recent example.
or you can go oldschool with Princess Sarah though it's SoL it's still aimed at girls. yeah, I'm that old
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>>118592243
I usually don't like shoujos, because their not aimed at my tastes, duh.
As with all things, there are exceptions, though. I actually like to watch the show of your picture, Ookami Shoujo, for example, because the setup of a naïve, unwittingly masochist girl falling for some douchebag alpha male and submitting to be his loyal dog despite all the shit he puts her through appeals to me. As a matter of fact, I'm kinda surprised it appeals to women as well and was actually written with them in mind, considering how much the premise sounds like your avarage male-targeted hentai.

I guess I should stop conflating "stuff that SJW feminist tumblrtards like" with "stuff normal well-adjusted women" like, or should I? SJW outrage over Ookami Shoujo was a fun thing to behold, at least.
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So many lesbians but most of them look like guys.
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>>118592243
But I do, anon. Once your average anon has posted and watched anime long enough the start to love shoujo/jousei. A good story/drama beats screaming muscleblob soliloquy, any day.
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I like shoujo. I do not like Kuro Ouji.
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>>118603586
Boyish lesbians are the cutest.
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Some of them are really good and some are just really fucking garbage, Ookami shoujo is pretty interesting because the male lead was bit of a "bad boy" but then turned into a softie, But then you get one like Ao Haru Ride which just puts me to sleep.
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>>118604111
>2014
>still using kek la kek reaction faces
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>>118598939
Things aimed at young women are mostly consumed by young women
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>>118597258
>Kou
>perfection
He was perfect only in middle school.
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>>118592243
>Main guy is most of the time a douche with muh sad past
>MC is always a cute bland girl that is always worrying over the littlest thing
>Best boy never wins
>Never ending drama
Why do people like this crap?
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>>118605197
>Love interest isn't the same cookie cutter angsty douchebag on the beginning
>time skip happen and he become a cookie cutter angsty douchenag for the rest of the manga
I hate this shit so much.
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>>118605421
Because women want to fuck the douche with a sad past. Best boy is actually worst boy under a female perspective, he listen to the FeMC and care about her feelings what make him into friend material, not boyfriend material like the douche.

What do you think about women complaining about haremshit?
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>>118603351
>Princess Sarah
nostalgia
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>>118606184
Shoujo has changed. It used to have plots, world-building and variety but then Itazura na kiss and Hana Yori Dango ruined everything
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Josei > Seinen > Shojo >> Shonen
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>>118597625
Harems are watched for cuteness and sex appeal.
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>>118606355
but DAL is shounen and better than any shoujo or josei I know of
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>>118606355
Josei = Seinen > Shojo = Shonen
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>>118606382
Shoujo is watched for cuteness and sex appeal too, except it appeals to a diferent audience
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>>118606605
Pretty much and most /a/nons are not the intended audience for Shojo while they are the intended audience for harem/Shonen.
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>>118606404

Kurumi is great. Everything else in DAL is shit.

Maybe except Yoshino, but she gets 10 minutes of screen time per season.
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>>118606675

And no one gives a fuck. Almost every shonen/harem series is garbage.
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>>118606714
>btw im a grill :)

back to tumblr
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>>118599033
But this isn't Shoujo
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Do shoujo written by men have less boring MCs and less douchebag love interests?
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im not into shoujo but there have been series that surprised me im having a hard time recollecting which ones i liked but host club comes to mind
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>>118592243
Because it's targeted towards young women. I know this may be a difficult thing to understand, but apparently there's a fuck mess of research in fields ranging from math to sociology to psychology to marketing that shows that men and women like different things.

That's all there is to it.
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>>118592243
Because it's gay ass shit.
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>>118606355
>heavily implying
exploratory narrative>expository writing>poetry?strict narrative prose>>>>>actually dying>>>>>>>romance based narrative

Unless there is a heavy dose of comedy involved you can keep your small-minded melodrama to yourself.
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Why watch shoujo when I could be watching Jousei?
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>>118606714
And shoujo is equally shit, just on the other side of the spectrum.
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>>118608618
Because (1) there's almost no Josei to watch and (2) when there is, you get shit like Otona Joshi Anime time about old hags who wish for divorce. Which you might even praise for being realisitc, but why would anyone want to watch that kind of shit?
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>>118608618
Why watch when you can read?
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>>118608618
Why watch Josei when I could be watching Harem?
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>>118606404
So you know of them but havent watched any of them.
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>>118593146
Isn't that just like in real world?
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>>118608739
Otona Joshi Anime Time had only one episode about divorce and that was the worst one of the bunch.
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>>118592243
I can't stand shoujo manga because they all have those cutesy generic backgrounds. Fuck that.
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>>118604242
right
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>>118612196
Are you implying Gugure! Kokkuri-san is aimed at women?
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>>118612238
are you implying it isn't?
The author even mentioned that it's for overworked women to read and relax. A light hearted comedy filled with bishounen
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>>118612196
>mostly

Not that anon, but most faggots here just want to bro with the Tanuki or fuck Female Inugami/Kokkuri. That's not exactly the same thing most female viewers want to do.

They want to fuck Kokkuri, be taken in a manly manner by Tanuki, or for Inugami to stop being creepy.
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>>118612305
That why it runs in a shounen magazine?
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>>118612378
yeah, shonen magazine makes it shonen but clearly the demographic it sells to mostly are females.
You can say the same about the second half of the volumes of D-Gray Man.
Some female mangaka go to shonen magazine publishers because they know it sells more and are more likely to get an anime adaption over a shoujo magazine.
The intended demographic still stands as women
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>>118592243
I do
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I've seen plenty of shoujo where the main love interest isn't a douche, he's just a fabulous guy that likes to tease.
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>>118604111
>Ookami shoujo is pretty interesting because the male lead was bit of a "bad boy" but then turned into a softie

Ohh, you mean like every clichéd shoujo trash written in the last 15 years?
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I do. Like most anons, I have a maiden's heart.
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>>118592243
Could have been fun if there was more of the owner/dog relationship. It's just generic shoujo now.
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>>118592243
I do watch some, I enjoy SoL type stuff but I'm sick of beta asexual MCs. At least in shoujo the guys are relatively normal.
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>you will never know the pleasure of being judged by your abusive hot boyfriend's bitchy onee-san
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>>118605421
>main girl is most of the time a bitch with muh complex
>mc is always a bland guy with no redeeming quality
>best girl never wins
>never ending drama
It is the same with the other demographic.
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Somebody here have read Mars by Fuyumi Soryo?
I thought it was some cliché shoujo or whatever but it turns out it's actually good.
It's not only centered in the romance but it talks about a lot of other stuff like motorcycle races,sociopaths and even rape.
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>>118610227
Otakus watch anime for runaway from the real world
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>>118612558
Also, shounen magazines give more freedom than shoujo manga. If a female author wants to make a manga not about a high school romance between an average girl and a douche, her only choice is to move to a shounen/seinen magazine. It wasn't like that on the past but shoujo editors don't allow variety anymore
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>series is completely romance focused
>main character just wants to make friends
>shuts down all advances and ruins people lives by leading them on
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>>118614867
Rape is common place on shoujo. Girls find it kinky when the rapist is hot
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>>118615915
It's not rape if the girl wants it, it's every girls dream to play hard to get with a hot guy then get fucked hard
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>>118599933
Hell I didn't know that. What a slut. Still doesn't beat Yuki Cross though.
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>>118615915
It was from her stepfather when she was a child.
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>>118613696
>Implying you wouldn't do your sister's hot boyfriend if she was his genderbent twin.

I mean, c'mon! I would.
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>>118613696
Erika so jewish
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Only Shoujo I have ever watched is Utena and I loved it, but I don't think it's representative of the genre
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Nah, Josei is hotter. More smut. Less talk, more action and discussion in the bed rather than going 15 volumes without even a kiss in some shoujo.
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>>118612898
I haven't watched many shoujo but the male lead at least started off different than most but yeah they all turn into softies.

Also the best one I've watched is Sukitte il na yo, That was some good shit.
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Why can't we have an harem route in josei?
Yeah, harem route.
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>>118592243
MC always want Worst Guy who is the main guy.
And MC is more likeable with other people but with worst guy, all the smartness is gone.
Like Tonari
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How do you feel about shoujo archtypes in non-shoujo shit?
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>>118592243
But I do. There are plenty of shoujo I like, and plenty I don't like. The ones I don't like are the generic, melodramatic, cliched trash (as is the same with any demographic). The series in your OP is the kind of shit shoujo I avoid, despite that one having had a promising start.

>>118599007
Angry slut detected.
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>>118616750
It isn't worthy to look for a few decent titles hide in a mountain of shoujoshit
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>>118597312
>The only good anime

So you only like THAT anime? What are you even doing on /a/?
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>>118597752
Quote a lot shoujo deals with sex.
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>>118616750
>Angry slut detected.

You won't get a husband with dat attitude.
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>>118617160
Often the girl is fucked against her will, despite she likes it anyway. Shoujo writers are huge purityfags so their heroines can't enjoy the act of sex, they just want to hold hands but the male lead is too alpha for accept a no
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>>118616750
Don't listen to >>118617224. I'll gay-marry you, anon.
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>>118617066
The same could be said of all media. I think it's worth it.

>>118617224
But I'm not gay, and even if I was, I wouldn't want a 3DPD husband.

>>118617290
No thanks, we shouldn't risk losing our wizard powers.
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>>118615872
Yeah, the days where you'd be able to find shoujo space operas and historical dramas are long gone.
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>lol muh no emotions
>NTR topkek
>implying I care about drawn characters' emotional development
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It all comes down to the japanese mentality. Females don't interact much with men other than their fathers and that's saying much. I don't think they can actually portray, considering they are from a much formal culture, the loosened behavior of a western woman which is closely related to prostitutes and loud and rude behavior from the humble japanese.

It is not due to bad, or lack of experience, but from an native point of view, all shoujo and dating steps are well formalized in the hopes of continuing the sacred traditions of acquiring a proper and honorable husband.

It is not meant for foreign women to understand, for they lack the skills and atributes of the japanese woman and her honorable craft and education.
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>>118618095
please current day japenese girls act like western sluts
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>>118617224
No one on /a/ is looking for a wife or husband. NEET life strong. Also getting married is for chumps, grandma.
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>>118618095
>It all comes down to the japanese mentality.
Please tell me more about how much you've learned about Nip culture and values from those Vietnamese cartoons you watch.
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