I was trying to avoid to say that until now, but episode 11 consolidated it, Yuuki Yuuna.
Ping Pong has been my AOTY since it aired, but YuYuYu became my AOTS with the latest episode.
I feel like I'll be okay with any kind of ending now.
This. Second-rate Madoka ripoffs need not apply.
It doesn't matter how 12 is going to be like. Ep 11 just sealed the deal.
/a/ actually having good taste
i'm so happy right now
You mean it actually kept some equilibrium between SoL, action and suffering instead of being a sufferfest from the beginning to the end?
I'm not even going to comment on the ripoff part. This has been repeated so many times that it's boring already.
>complains about Madoka being edgefest
>last few episodes of YuYuYu clearly out-edged Madoka
Stay deluded, faggot.
YuYuYu exists only for the edge.
Madoka at least properly developed their characters.
>one show cannot have more than one theme
Also, there has been pretty strong foreshadowing that the fun times aren't going to last for too long. The lingering uneasiness was one of the best parts of the show.
>Madoka at least properly developed their characters.
The only character that was developed at all was fucking Homura, and it was a pile of stinking shit. None of the other characters got even an inch of development. They stayed exactly the same from beginning to end.
Sayaka too, a little. Still, saying that someone like Madoka was a properly developed character or that the main series actually fleshed out Mami or Kyouko is pretty delusional.
I'd say Sayaka and her development are actually super important to that show, since she more than anyone is meant to show the full arc of what a magical girl goes through from beginning to end.
And Madoka's probably the least fleshed out character in the series, though I'm not sure she was meant to be complex... kinda simple... the simplest, even.
>everyone only cares about girls suffering
i liked yuki yuuna myself but i don't think it's that fucking good, mind you i haven't seen ep 11 yet, but when a show has that mild fanservice and stupid cartoony expressions while at the same time having all the suffering and shit i just can't take it seriously.
by /a/ standards it is, and neither of my objections to the show are wrong.
altough there might be that ONE shot from one scene i don't remember Eva or Madoka doing much of this, and for a show that takes itself seriously it is shit, it breaks immersion. And fanservice is just stupid for a show that takes itself seriously too, what am i here for? a story about 5 girls or a story about 10 boobs?
I'm ashamed that a fellow Shirobako fan is calling Zankyou no Terror AOTY.
>They stayed exactly the same from beginning to end.
Sayaka, Homura, Madoka, and Kyouko all changed. Kyouko's was rushed but the others were not.
Mami kind of didn't because she was too busy being dead.
>i don't remember Eva or Madoka doing much of this
Faggots like you wrote Madoka off as a children's cartoon based on the art style alone, and Eva had a lot more fanservice than Yuuki Yuuna. Newsflash: any time you have 5 girls, you also have 10 boobs, even in real life.
If you're trolling, 5/10 for getting me to reply.
I think he's just saying that needless fanservice does a disservice to the show itself.
I myself haven't watched Yuki Yuna yet, but I do feel the same way. When a show throws tons of tits and ass shots into your face when it's supposed to be a serious story, it sort of takes me out of the show and makes me take it less seriously as a result.
>When a show throws tons of tits and ass shots into your face when it's supposed to be a serious story
This. The same thing if it tries to be comedic. Comedy is the opposite of seriousness. I also experience this when the character designs are too cutesy, because, again, this creates a "non-serious" atmosphere. I think the worst thing though is when a show that's supposed to be serious has lighthearted moments in it - pick one and stay away from the other entirely.
On the other hand, you have to have some light moments otherwise the darker, more serious moments just won't have the impact they would otherwise have.
Lets take Madoka. If you jumped straight from Mami's death to Sayaka despairing about Kyouske without the lighter stuff inbetween the viewer wouldn't have had the chance to cope with Mami's death and think about what it really means.
>I think the worst thing though is when a show that's supposed to be serious has lighthearted moments in it
Soldiers who are going off to die IRL often spend the night before having fun. You're not going to have any time to laugh after you're dead.
>needless comedy does a disservice to the show itself.
>needless special effects do a disservice to the show itself.
>needless side story arcs do a disservice to the show itself.
>needless OPs and EDs do a disservice to the show itself.
>needless fanservice does a disservice to the show itself.
Do you agree with all of these statements?
It's more likely you're only picking on fanservice because you were traumatized by puritans and feminists into thinking sex is bad. You might think it's great to think of Game of Thrones as trashy and non-serious since the mainstream takes it so seriously, but even Shakespeare put lots of lewd lines in.
If you do agree with all of those variations above, stripping all the fluff out of a show makes it plain and boring. A work is less enjoyable if it only does the bare minimum. This is especially true for Yuuki Yuuna where the main fanservice scenes have an actual function in the story.
Hoozuki no Reitetsu
Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun
Joke's on you, I watched Kaiji for the moe.
Nevertheless, it would've been better if Kaiji were a cute middle school girl locked up in an underground prison with all those men.
I only really think fanservice is bad when it's too overt such as copious zoom ins on characters' crotches or breasts, or excessive jiggle, or whatever.
I think OPs and EDs can are very important for either setting a tone for the show or subverting the viewers expectations on what the show will be.
Comedy has it's place, and if it's an appropriately light section of the show, then it's fine. However, if the show is trying to be super serious, then it has to have some restraint as to how much comedy the writers will let in before the tone of the show is tainted.
>This is especially true for Yuuki Yuuna where the main fanservice scenes have an actual function in the story.
I hope you are not referring to the rope bondage boob jiggle transformation scene or the massive ass shot at the swimming pool.
I really disliked the first few Yuuna episodes, mostly for other reasons, but fanservice was a big part of it. My mind was changed quite a bit around 6, and then even more so at 8.
7 did have some very not needed fanservice at the onsen but it didn't annoy me as much as the previous two examples.
>when it's too overt such as copious zoom ins on characters' crotches or breasts, or excessive jiggle, or whatever.
Then the complaint is that it's badly executed fanservice, not just that it's fanservice? It sounds like you're thinking of those generic harem BOINNGGG shots that aren't even erotic.
I'm referring to the beach and onsen sequence after they got their disabilities, which served as character development for all the girls and Taisha (if you count Taisha as a character) and grounded them as ordinary girls banding together to deal with frightening circumstances, rather than simply combat heroes. Disney world isn't as popular in Japan as a place to go after saving the world as a resort, and it's so realistic to show skin at a vacation resort that it would be immersion-breaking if they didn't.
The rope bondage and ass shot may just be visual fluff, but I don't see how they're any worse than other complicated transformation scenes or scenery pillow shots showing foliage around a pool.
Sayaka may criticize herself, but she doesn't change. She's quite stubborn until the end. It's part of her character, really. Kyouko too had already developed a nuanced perspective from past experience. It's just revealed later on to explain her actions.
Again, the main character is Madoka. She's the one who goes through plenty of development, since it's her story. Anyone who complains about lack of development in Madoka Magica while ignoring Madoka herself is probably trolling you.
>The rope bondage and ass shot may just be visual fluff, but I don't see how they're any worse than other complicated transformation scenes or scenery pillow shots showing foliage around a pool.
Bullshit. You know those two things are different.
One is a scene with a few plants as decoration and the other turns a character into a sex object to pander to and titillate the viewer.
It interrupts the story for a brief moment to stop and remind you that you are watching something designed in a way to make you get a boner when instead it could have done literally anything else.
In the case of Yuki Yuna it feels extremely out of place since that is obviously not the purpose of the show.
One is a scene that turns a few plants into scenery porn objects to pander to the viewer. The scenery shot interrupts the story for a brief moment to stop and remind you that you are watching something designed in a way to make you get off on the imagery when instead it could have done literally anything else. In the case of Yuuki Yuuna it feels extremely out of place since that is obviously not the purpose of the show.
Why did you put a ">" before the post in which you admitted you don't know what fanservice is?
Since you don't know, I'll be generous and point out that fanservice does not mean "tits and ass" but also covers subjects like mecha focusing on elaborate transformation scenes that reflect how model kits are constructed, cameos from popular characters, info dumps full of in-series technical jargon that only appeals to obsessive nerds, real world guns being drawn accurately, references to other works or events/memes in the anime community, crossovers, and so on. Anything that panders to fans. Scenery porn is obviously pandering to fans who like scenery.
The same goes for the food scene, which disruptively zoomed in on the food and spent a significant amount of time having characters beat off over the food, just like /a/ does in "post anime food" threads.
None of those things interrupt the story to remind you that you are in fact watching an anime. (except memes I suppose).
Most of those things also actually belong in the anime they are in. If you have guns in the anime and draw/animate them correctly then that is nothing but an improvement over not animating them correctly. Having an elaborate and beautiful background is the same. Tech jargon/info dumps explains the setting and how things work and exist for an actual reason.
Transformation sequences are something a little different since they take up time (oftentimes the only reason they exist is to take up time) and don't really do anything, but are still a part of the Mahou Shoujo genre and at least in Yuki they only show each sequence once.
If a character has a breast or ass and exists on screen there is no reason or need to suddenly zoom in up on that body part and have it jiggle. It doesn't add anything other than titillation. If the entire reason the show exists is to titillate the viewer then fine, but that is obviously not the point in Yuki so it feels jarring when they do it. It doesn't matter when it's food since it's just a background object that is easily ignored, or in this case when it zoomed in on empty bowls of food it shows a bit of Fuu's character as she is a bit of a glutton.
With the tits and ass variant of fanservice it's like reading a book and at the end of every page it says "turn the page to find out more". It interrupts the flow of the scene and sucks you out of the moment because they thought the viewers wanted to see someone's ass.
And if you didn't want me to treat you like a moron then you should not have compared a plant in the background to massive jiggling breasts with rope bondage.
Scenery porn interrupts the story. That's all it does, interrupt. If seeing an ass reminds you that you're watching anime, seeing anime style plants will, too.
>Most of those things also actually belong in the anime they are in.
And a girl's ass belongs in an anime about an athletic, outdoorsy girl. Having a detailed, well-drawn ass is better than not animating it correctly.
>empty bowls of food it shows a bit of Fuu's character as she is a bit of a glutton.
Ass, it shows a bit of Karin's character as she is a bit of a workout freak.
>there is no reason or need to suddenly zoom in up on that body part and have it jiggle
And there's no reason for zooming in on the elaborate and beautiful background. It doesn't add anything other than titillation, so it feels jarring when they do it.
>With the tits and ass variant of fanservice it's like reading a book and at the end of every page it says "turn the page to find out more".
There's no similarities between these two whatsoever.
>it's just a background object that is easily ignored
Here's what I was waiting for. You, personally, ignore all the other kinds of pandering but get irrationally upset about sexual stuff. You've been brainwashed by society into thinking you're supposed to be upset about sex, so you reflexively get upset about it.
Your complaints have nothing to do with the work itself, and everything to do with your personal issues with sex. You might as well be getting upset if an anime character happens to have your name.