This curse could end with positive or negative effect, depending on the story trope inflicted upon the victim.
The curse itself would take effect the very next time they are in a situation where it might be possible. There is no discrimination on the scale of the scenario that triggers the curse.
For example, cursing someone with "Villain monologues" trope would have them spitting out their intentions about some nasty deed they are planning - whether the monologue is over a stolen lunch at their place of business or the intention to rob a bank is up to chance.
No, not "electricity" like in them comic books and them Static Shock TV cartoons. I mean electrons themselves that way I get the powers of "electricity" and the ability to cause chemical reactions (mainly explosions, but not limited to just that) whenever I want.
>>116929920 >the power of seeing into the future for like 2 seconds Wasn't there a movie about a similar concept? The main character could see a couple seconds into the future so the government kidnap him thinking they could use his power to stop some terrorists.
>>116929920 but anon, how would that help me bet on professional video game matches? All that power would allow me to do is predict when I'm about to have a stroke when I bet on iBuyPower to beat Cloud9 in the LAN finals but then they lose to Cloud9
And how that shit is supposed to work on first place?. I mean, that would be like having a window into your mind that shows you what happens in the next two seconds while your eyes see the present?, you'll die because embolism by stress
>>116930465 We're assuming that if you have a power like that you'd have the ability to use it effectively as part of the package. Ideally in the form of, say, the ability to pause, rewind, and fast-forward your time perception like some kind of cosmic Tivo.
Of course, that's a lot of superpower to spend on what is essentially a glorified wallhack/aimbot.
No, I'm serious. If you think about it, even if anime characters have that power nobody in the real world actually has it. I think it might get in the way sometimes, but it'd be very interesting to see a person who really was always like that.
The protagonist power. It doesnt matter what powers other people have, or what plans my enemies have, I always end up the center of attention. I solve the crisis, and create a harem in my wake every single time.
>>116930682 Those powers can be pretty dangerous. >never give up While you are doing something an urgent problem arises but you can't address it because of your power. Or you might learn something that should make give up the best move. I wouldn't be surprised if someone could come up with a scenario where you end up like Suzaku.
>>116931972 She implies that she would rather not fight him given the choice, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't have some sort of plan that involves fighting him and losing (which she knows she can do) anyways. I mean, it's not as if the characters in Medaka Box never subject themselves to undesirable events in order to make some plan or other succeed.
I still don't think she had any plan that point, or at least I don't think there's much in the story to indicate that she did. If anything she probably survived because she auto-resurrected with one of her skills once the Fresh master was destroyed and his ability deactivated.
>>116931928 It's strange, she knew the whole story from the beginning according to their own role. Although she would not find the end, there's a manga scan where it is mentioned clearly.
Medaka Box has many contradictions. There's a part where Ajimu said she couldn't defeat Medaka, but in turn there is another part Medaka said she wouldn't fight against Ajimu claiming she could never defeat her.
>>116932100 Honestly, I want to see it because "never give up" and "believe in your friends" are virtues that are quite often upheld with little or no qualification in anime (or at least certain types of anime).
Part of why I liked Medaka Box was that it had the guts to show the other side of the story (in particular with Naze and her "great things come from hell" ideology), even if it still ultimately upholds those values. But I still wish those two ideals were challenged more.
Another one is "hard work." Medaka Box definitely plays that up, but the reality is that efficiency is more valuable than effort in the real world and spending 100 hours to achieve something is a waste of time if you can obtain the same result in 10 hours.
>>116932241 Anshin'in and Iihiko are meta-characters though. Ajimu knows she can't beat the Main Character because the Main Character always wins in the end and Medaka doesn't know she's the MC and as such, she just sees a strong final boss character who would overpower her.
>>116928789 The ability to transcend the weaknesses of the body and flesh while retaining only the benefits and none of the cons.
Essentially a living ghost that can still interact with the world of the living and still do shit like eating or drinking or sleeping if you feel like it but instead of being forced to do stuff like eating, you can choose if you want to eat or drink but you don't really need to do so in order to continue surviving.
>>116932241 I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. Are you saying she must've had some plan after all?
And to add to what you say about the contradiction in who's undefeatable, remember the part where Medaka tells Kumagawa that he won because he bet on her? By that same logic Ajimu defeated Medaka as well. Unless of course she doesn't consider that victory. I think a fair number of the 'contradictions' in the story can be explained by the fact that the opinions of different characters aren't fact, just opinions.
Anshin'in is a god-being who thinks she's in a manga because she's delusional. And Hitoyoshi beats Medaka even though she is (and continues to be) the "most main" of the main characters. And on top of that, only someone who has read very few stories believes the main character never loses.
>>116932551 >I think a fair number of the 'contradictions' in the story can be explained by the fact that the opinions of different characters aren't fact, just opinions.
Exactly, it all comes down to our interpretation.
>Are you saying she must've had some plan after all?
Well, I rely on what Hanten said when the entire group was coming to the Shiranui's village. "Ajimu is omnipotent and omniscient, but she as a lover of novels never want to read the final" and get spoiled.
>>116932869 Nah man. He's literally the reader's insert. Do you remember the scene where Medaka explains her powers and then tears the book? That's actually pretty much literal. If we don't like how Medaka acts, we can just tear the book and she can't do shit to stop it
>>116932951 >Do you remember the scene where Medaka explains her powers and then tears the book? That's actually pretty much literal. If we don't like how Medaka acts, we can just tear the book and she can't do shit to stop it
Yes it's very interesting. That part I had interpreted it like Lihiko was invulnerable to their powers because he's in 'another dimension'. Kind of the 'Book's dimension' and 'outside of Book's dimension'. And for that reason Lihiko could hurt all irretrievably, as if he broke the paper.
You could probably say she has to ability to be omnipotent, but if anyone actually was omnipotent it would be incredibly boring. I mean, imagine if you knew the result of EVERYTHING you or anyone else around you did before it even happened? So my guess is she didn't use the ability unless there was something she specifically wanted to know. With that in mind, if she only uses the ability to learn information she was curious about, she'd have to know she was curious about that information to begin with, and thus is not truly omnipotent, as if she was truly omnipotent she would already know what information she wanted to know about before she knew about it.
>>116933462 Honestly. I don't see why not. Being an author avatar does technically make you omnipotent. You can have control over the entire universe but if the reader doesn't like your story then you'll end up dead. Even if the reader isn't omnipotent. They are the one with all the powers and that's what the Fresh/Anshin'in relationship is. It's the relationship between a reader who only knows bits and pieces but ultimately holds the authors life in their hands.
>>116928465 The power to make everyone and anyone sexually attracted me for no reason. Like they won't know why but they'll crave me all the time, while still hiding it/acting normal. The trade off will be that if I ever have an orgasm I'll die. I think it would cool.
>>116933500 Depends how one defines world and at what location to other objects it was placed.
It could not move relative to it's surroundings. It could not move relative to the Earth (probably smooth out the surface of the Earth as it rotated). Or it could have an absolute position in the universe, in which case it wouldn't even remain on Earth or in the solar system for long as they'd move away.
And I admit I forgot about "Devil Style" (just call it a brain fart, okay?), but even with that, if Anshin'in is right then now special skill or ability actually makes any character in the story immune to the whims of the author.
>>116933192 It's interesting, because there's a lot of meta stuff in Medaka Box, but that's not really why I liked it. I always cared more about the issues it brings up and plays with regarding strength and weakness, humans connecting with each other, what it means to help or be helped by others, the importance (or lack thereof) of ideology and "rightness," what it means to "win," and the basic values of friendship, hard work, and not giving up. I guess the whole perfection thing falls into that category as well. I also like that it gives answers often enough but still manages to leave the sense that those answers aren't necessarily the correct ones.
>>116933806 But if doesn't move, we shouldn't even see it moving An absolutely unmovable object does not move no matter the reference Which means it's not something that should exist in the first place
Maybe the power to finally start reading MB holy shit I told myself I'd start it after S2 ended but so far I only read up to chapter 12 what the fuck is wrong with me By the way, is there any updated version of this?
>>116933852 >makes any character in the story immune to the whims of the author.
I'd expect that to be within Anshin'in's vaguely defined powers to screw over our reality.
As to the other thing.
There's a shit ton of stuff that gets brought up that I didn't mention. I just thought of Medaka and picked three from her but Zenkichi himself has way more stuff about him that makes him a more interesting topic to talk about. What kind of guy would deliberately remove any semblance of "MC status" from himself and others. I know that evens the playing field a bit but the actual MC are still infinitely stronger than he is as a "zero".
Zenkichi is a way cooler character than Araragi is.
>>116933814 The ability to pull out my dick and transform it into any sword of legend. The condition for this ability is that I have to stay aroused the entire time it's out or else the sword shrinks and can be shattered in its neutered state. It'll take a week for it to regrow if ever it breaks due to this. The powered-up ability is dual wield
>>116934112 >What kind of guy would deliberately remove any semblance of "MC status" from himself and others. I know that evens the playing field a bit but the actual MC are still infinitely stronger than he is as a "zero".
If i recall right, it's because being an MC would bound him to a certain future, whereas being a zero would effectively give them the freedom to do whatever, because the author wouldn't care about what happens to the "zero"
>>116934112 >As to the other thing. >There's a shit ton of stuff that gets brought up that I didn't mention. I just thought of Medaka and picked three from her but Zenkichi himself has way more stuff about him that makes him a more interesting topic to talk about. >What kind of guy would deliberately remove any semblance of "MC status" from himself and others. I know that evens the playing field a bit but the actual MC are still infinitely stronger than he is as a "zero". >Zenkichi is a way cooler character than Araragi is.
The amount of bullshit they survive, even after "devil style" is only really justified by narrative causality. Hell, Medaka's entire existence as a superhuman is a result of her being the main character of a Shonen manga. Hitoyoshi didn't get rid of "MC status," he got rid of the convenient plot twists and whatnot that the author saw fit to remove from the story, and the others remained.
That aside, I haven't read Bakemonogatari but Zenkichi is one of the coolest and most likeable characters I've ever seen. The times when he tells Medaka "don't forget to care about yourself" more than earned him that.
I'd actually say that he is, in a certain sense, the strongest character in the story. Not because he beat Medaka or anything like that, but because he has the guts to chase after her and the ability to keep up with her in spite of lacking superpowers. He's an all-around normal guy who fits the word "normal" like a glove fits a shark's fin.
>>116933989 Am I the only one who really liked the Flask Plan/13 Party Arc? I didn't think it was "awful" at all; it was what made me fall in love with the series. The Minus Arc was better, but it couldn't live up to the hype and didn't exceed my expectations in the same way the fight to destroy the flask plan did.
Also I know what you're getting at with saying Zenkichi is the strongest and I agree but I gotta defend my boy Dj Fresh. Iihiko would wreck everyone's shit. They say McGuyver can solve all problems with a rubber band, some string and some glue? Shishime only needs the rubber band.
Also if you enjoyed Medaka, you'd more than likely enjoy Monogatari.
>>116934893 >Doesn't want to be ultimate side character Kumogawa Misogi instead of Protagonist >Doesn't enjoy being the most popular character to the extent he gets his own spin-off to hold both Protagonist and Side Character titles, giving him the advantages of both
This guy is my second favorite character of any manga in general. It's more of what he represents and not just how based he was the entire time. The villain who gets beaten every time and no matter what he does, he always gets thrown to the ground. He's satire of that trope and I'm happy someone created a character like him. sadly the minus arc will never ever ever be animated
The power to piss cum. I'd have giant cum filled balls that would slosh when I walk and the cum would ooze out in a thick stream when I piss. I could set up traps that cause my enemies to slip in a pool of my cum, then when they're down I hop out and cum all over them. They'll be too slippery to move and will have no choice but to surrender.
>>116934907 Yeah, I'm planning to watch the anime, since it seems like they're continuing to adapt it, unlike with Medaka Box.
About the "strongest" thing, Zenkichi is strong in a different sense, although I think it's a more real form of strength than "look at me, I can beat people up." At one point Medaka tells Kumagawa, "It's not those who win that are strong, it's those who lose and keep going that are strong" (or something similar). The series really seems to support that idea, and Zenkichi is a large part of the reason it does.
And as for the Freshmaker, I actually found him underwhelming after Kumagawa and Anshin'in. Not that he wasn't awesome. This thread has led me to appreciate him a little more, though. I haven't read/watched a whole lot of Shonen so I appreciated Medaka Box more for the "real world" philosophy and character interaction than for the genre critiques that supposedly exist. But the idea that Iihiko represents the reader makes a certain amount of sense and I'm sure when I reread this I'll consider that possibility.
>>116935086 Honestly, I liked him because he laughs in the face of that fate and enjoys living life how he pleases, flipping off the world in glorious fashion. He's a shitty bastard - even when he becomes a "good guy" he does good by being a shitty bastard - but he's a shitty bastard with all his heart.
>>116935305 Oh yeah I know that. I'm just more saying that if you like Medaka and read through all of it then you'll be mentally prepared for the lots of wordplay, dialogue, references etc that you get in a Nisio work like Monogatari.
>>116935212 basically in order to fully appreciate medaka box you need to understand it is essentially what is referred to a "reconstruction" of the shonen genre where it takes all the shitty tropes, ALL OF THEM and proceeds to format them in a way where it applies to the modern audience in a way that still makes them completely relevant and fun. you find the more shonen you have read the more you actually like this series.
>>116935383 I'm curious, since both Mentos and Anshin'in appeal to you but Kumagawa doesn't, is it because of their power? I mean, Fresh and Anshin'in are both insanely powerful whereas Kumagawa nearly always loses.
>>116935464 But I already appreciate Medaka Box more than nearly every anime I've watched and nearly every manga I've read, even without that. There's a lot more to the series than just deconstruction/reconstruction of the genre. And I could sort of tell that's what it was doing anyways - there's some overlap between the tropes it plays with and the ones I'm familiar with, and it definitely has a sense of "tearing something down, but doing it because you love it."
>>116935600 I'm the kind of guy that doesn't like main characters in general. I'm the kind of guy that enjoys characters who are just crazy awesome and they know they are. Which is usually the domain of minor characters and people too cool to live. Oddly enough even with that bias. I will always enjoy characters who only punch and kick shit as their only means of attacking. If everyone else in a show is doing like fancy magic and using guns, then I'm always going to support the dumbass going into battle with their fists. It's the one thing I enjoy enough that will make me ignore my dislike for main characters. For example. Touma Kamijo from Index solves every single problem by talking and punching shit. I can respect that
>>116935740 Interesting - but Anshin'in certainly does far more than "only punch and kick shit," and she felt like a main character to me, even if she wasn't really a protagonist.
I too respect Touma for solving problems by talking and punching stuff. It's a very simple way of life, and while simple isn't always best, sometimes it works quite well.
I'd say I like characters who are just crazy awesome as well, but I'd say that's the reason I like Kumagawa so much. He's fucking nuts (or should I say screws instead?). Other than that I tend to like characters that I see as "good" or admirable people, characters that grow or exhibit a capacity to grow, and characters that are imperfect, make mistakes, and act a little bit wrong or stupid even in spite of all that. I suppose that's why I stuck with this series instead of rejecting Medaka as a boring Mary Sue - even if she's nearly perfect, she's a decent person, and from nearly the beginning there were hints she wasn't as perfect as she seemed.
>>116935698 >implying people could forget the greatness that is this series. literally the only reason why it never hit bestseller lists is because most manga readers are kiddies that cannot comprehend what the shit is in the series so they spout "words words words" and stupid crap of that nature.
>>116935916 This is only tangentially related, but the modified game of Sevens was so incredibly text-heavy that I skimmed most of it, and I still think the explanation of the rules is bullshit. Maybe it was due to the way it was translated, but the rules were exactly the same before and after Kumagawa changed them.
>>116935959 Oh come on, I love Medaka Box, but there's no reason to be ass-pained about the people who don't like it. There's nothing inherently wrong with preferring a text-light story with more action (for example).
>>116936126 read: >>116935959 like i said, its because most manga readers like stupid crap like naruto and SnK so thats essentially why. Literally because it had no reason to fall into the cancer fanbase and because it was a shonen most of the other groups who would normally read it went full on hipster and turned their noses away because of sheer relentless faggotry.
>>116935947 Yeah nah see. That's where the opposites come in. Anshin'in is the Crazy Awesome type I like and she's well aware how awesome she is. I also don't personally think she's a main character but that's always going to be up for debate since then you have to argue whether her role as the force behind most of the events makes her main or antagonistic.
I don't like Kumogawa that much because I'm not a huge fan of watching over-powered people getting beaten down. If you have power then you should be as flashy and fresh as possible with it. He just used it too pragmatically which is fine and 100% understandable but it's not my cup of tea.
As for the "good" thing. I'm not a huge morality person primarily. Let's us a certain onmyoji for example. Their major scene is literally just wrecking a motherfucker while spouting philosophy and it is amazing. That's a situation where I'd look further into morality. Otherwise I just think if you can be crazy awesome, that's morality enough.
>>116936002 Not intentionally hipster but I've never had any compunctions about being an Elitist. It wasn't something I chose to be but it's how it happened
>>116936424 basically the reason is that because it actually has a plot thats not ADD riddled bullshit or decent stuff forever on hiatus shonenfags won't touch it with a ten foot pole, and because of the shonen tag people who like other genres will not touch it with a ten foot pole no matter how good it is.
>>116928465 the power to make anyone drunk or sober with just a thought. including all levels of possible intoxication, as well as biological side effects (such as hangovers when sobering up or the need to pee)... a higher level of affect would be to grant any form of intoxication including that from illegal narcotics use.
I think the ability to make yourself or others drunk/high with a thought would be a fun power.
>>116936234 >I also don't personally think she's a main character but that's always going to be up for debate since then you have to argue whether her role as the force behind most of the events makes her main or antagonistic.
I don't think her being an antagonist prevents her from being a "main character," but maybe you mean something more along the lines of what I'd call "main protagonist."
Also, to defend Kumagawa a little, even though I don't even intend this to convince you to like him, I think he's well aware how awesome he is, in a certain sense at least. Pic related - no matter how often he fails he can't really be kept down because he does what he wants. It's more of a philosophical awesomeness than a physical awesomeness, if that makes any sense, so it seems like it's different than what appeals to you.
And characters I like don't have to be good people, it's just that I tend to like characters like that. I liked Kumagawa when he was a villain, too - in fact, his best moment in the entire series to me is still probably the time when he says to Medaka, "I was the victim" after forcing Hitoyoshi to sacrifice himself. What a glorious bastard - even in defeat he manages to strike his enemies where it hurts most, and that's that "philosophical awesomeness" that I love about him.
I'm not the "you're a hipster" person, but in the spirit of appreciating even your enemies I thought I'd add that I'm almost completely the opposite of an elitist, even if I often find myself enjoying stories that self-proclaimed elitists love. Mars of Destruction does tend to crush any hopes I have of claiming to be completely non-elitist, though.
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