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Is Manga seriously still produced in such an old-fashioned way like shown in Nozaki-kun?

You could slap that shit together in like 10min using Photoshop.
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>>115686580
i could slap your shit in 1 min m8
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>>115686580
Why don't you go to photoshop and slap some shit together then show it to us?
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>>115686580
Yes and no, since there are some who scan their drawings and edit them with an image editor.
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>>115686657
...and there are ones who draw completely digitally from start to finish.

Anyway, don't ask /a/ about how manga/anime is produced unless you want to be completely misinformed.
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>>115686580
>You could slap that shit together in like 10min using Photoshop.
Egawa Tatsuya pls
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>digital comics

Absolutelyfuckingdisgusting.jpg
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>>115687248
If you read that shit online, you won't even be able to tell the difference.
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>>115686724
>you want to be completely misinformed
Welcome to 4chan.
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>>115686612
This
Come on faggot
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>>115686580

You don't think anime is slapped together in a couple hours on a computer do you?
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>>115687409
He's already long gone. It's been what? 45 minutes? He's just talking out of his ass thinking drawing manga is some simple job anyone can do.
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>>115687409
>>115686612

Eat my shit, already better than most of the shit you see normally
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It depends on the artist, I think. There are many that still do the line-art on paper and ink it, then do finishing in PS/Comic Studio. But definitely many that have switched over to mostly/all digital.

Wacom has a lot of accelerated videos showing the work process of various artists using their tablet monitors for drawing if you're interested in how pro artists work:

http://tablet.wacom.co.jp/article/drawing-with-wacomtiv#/filter1/all/i_002

(Tiv from Masamune-kun's Revenge, for example)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqpiRc3TN-k
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>>115687589
>Said he could pump out art in 10 minutes
>Produce crap
>Calls it art

Yeah, good job.
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>>115687589
Is that a vagina on the lower left
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I know Ken has mentioned using CG for some of his backgrounds, but that's all i've bothered finding out about.
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>>115687780
Actually, the word you're looking for is vulva. Don't feel bad; everyone does it wrong.
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>40 layers of floor
They already do.
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>>115687589
the lower left panel looks like a view from a guys crotch while taking a dump.
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>>115687589
this is absolute garbage
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>>115687589
7/10 I actually laughed, great 4koma comedy manga.
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>>115687589
20 minutes.
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>>115688284
The guy was killed, there's footprints of the shadowy guy walking away from his corpse.
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>>115688284
He got killed man those are his footprints
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>>115687589
Is this the new conan episode?
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>>115688284
I'm amazed someone went to this effort over my shitty drawing. Thanks I guess. He got killed by the way.
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>>115688314
>>115688329
>>115688430
now with added menacing
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>>115688498
Well done anon.
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was limb legion drawn traditionally or digitally?
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>>115688498
legit impressed

make a webcomic
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Here's a layout example with Comic Studio Pro
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>>115688665
This is also where all of those standard screentones and patterns like "shoujo sparkles" come from/are applied at.

(Although you can get similar screentone packages for PS as well)
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>>115688284
>>115687589
>>115688498
Wahaha! havent laughed this hard at anything /a/'s done for months.
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>>115686580
Prison School and Zetsubou Sensei are drawn with computer
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besides a few convenient factors, there is almost no difference at all between digital and traditional production. anyone who says otherwise is probably just underestimating traditional/digital art.

>>115689485
tsugumomo as well
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>>115688498
I wish we could just iterate on this again and again
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It goes with the artist's preference. Some will use tablet and photoshop, some will do it with traditional tools.
They're free to use whatever they want, so long as they finish it within their deadline.
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>>115690546

And both still take tits loads of time and effort.

Being a mangaka is never not suffering
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manga studio pretty much emulates everything you need to do manga on paper.
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>>115688498
It's better than the manwha people buy.
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>>115688498
Fukumoto is that you?
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Can I read Berserk while playing [email protected]?
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>>115689485
Then more mangaka should do it, Prison School has great art, shame the writing is pure shit
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>>115691097
buytheblurays.png
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Beginner mangakas use ink and paper because ink and paper are cheap.
Established mangaka can use what they want, but they've learnt on ink and paper so some of them still ink.

There's youtube vids of professional mangakas using some of the nicer wacom tablets to draw stuff.
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>>115691173
>shame the writing is pure shit
The writing is the best part of it.
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>>115691288
No.
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>>115691235
Uhm, buying a Cintiq isn't all that much money in the grand scheme of things. Especially when you're using it for your job 50+ hours a week.

A 3rd Gen can be had for $1500, and the 4th Gen HD ones are $2500 or less. People spend that much on a bike, or one trip. Boats or motorcycles are $10k+

And I bet they can make it a business expense anyways.
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I think most of them probably do

I mean using a editing software has to be way cheaper than spending so much money on screentones

Though I think the inking should still be done by hand
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>>115688498
Moar
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>>115691424
Yeah but when they're starting out and living on ramen, they don't have cash. When they get serialised and are working 50 hours a week they don't have time to re-learn how to draw using digital processes.
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>>115689526
If by "a few convenient factors" you mean all those time and money wasted buying drawing tools, screen tones, ink, not to mention space. It's quite a big difference I say.
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>>115691562
Cliche stereotypes much?
I bought one, and I only worked at Pizza Hut at the time.
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>>115691635
And I got a Nostromo shortly after that pic, as it makes a perfect pair to the Cintiq for keystroke shortcuts in PS etc.

I would almost say some sort of numpad for the left is required, otherwise its kinda a pita.
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>>115691562
Mangaka should take a break and start learning draw using Cintiq. I know you could di it Togashi.
Don't give up Togashi!
Give your best effort Togashi!
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>>115691628
Good computer, tablet and monitors plus the software costs can probably get you a shit ton of paper, drawing tools, screen tones and ink I daresay.

And Japan being one of those bizarrolands where not everybody has a computer.
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>>115691628
barely costs a thing.
a tablet costs money too.

bey "convenient factors" i meant things like ctrl-z
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>>115686580

>he doesn't understand quality manga works.

Traditional drawing always superior anon.
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>>115686580
>You could slap that shit together in like 10min using Photoshop.

Buckley pls
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>>115691628
>you mean all those time and money wasted buying drawing tools, screen tones, ink, not to mention space

>drawing tools, screentones, ink, etc
>$15-20
>adobe creative collection
>$1k
>a decent drawing tablet
>$500-1k

Sure is worth it.
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>>115687315

>Reading online
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>>115692981
>Filling your shelves with useless paper
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>>115686580
Fuck you blue ribbons.
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>>115693054

>Not downloading
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>>115691312
>great jokes are somehow bad writing
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>>115686580
actually, several mangakas updated to using computer aid instead of Xeroxing their alphas to manually paint the betas and gluing the gray scale stickers

there was an interview with Araki that he commented how was the change from traditional to digital when he started SBR
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One of the arguments for learning to draw manga traditionally before drawing on a computer, is that the transition from traditional to digital is fairly easy, but the transition from digital to traditional is hard.

Most people who draw digitally can't draw traditional.
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>>115688284
30 minutes.
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>>115696056
>>115691097
Suddenly artists everywhere.
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>>115691635
You may pass.
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>>115693054
We'll see whose laughing when the apocalypse hits and digital devices become useless.

It will be me.
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>>115687589
now you must continue your work

i beg you,please.
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>>115696056
moar
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>>115686580
Ken Akamatsu has gone full digital with UQ.
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>>115696056
This is gold
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Wow, this thread is suddenly more drawfag than the actual drawfag thread.
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>>115698384
That's not really an achievement.
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>>115687589
>>115688498
>>115696056
More.
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>>115696056
>gets shot in the head
>falls over forward
Psht, he'd fall backwards, you idiots.
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>>115698598
He's leaning against the wall when he gets shot.
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>>115698598
If you're such an expert, why don't you shoot yourself in the head so we get a reference shot?
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>>115698598
He got shot in the stomach, fell forward and cracked his forehead.
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went for a postmodernist feel
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>>115698697
Then I think it would be something more like this, with him collapsing and falling backwards along the wall, since he was turned to look to his left and thus had his weight positioned towards his right.
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>>115687248
> Calling Innocent disgusting
Congratulations, anon, you've reached completely new level of pleb.
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THIS IS GOLD
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>>115698834
He carries a brick in his left sleeve, causing gravity to push him into face-down position. Just like you're mum on friday nights.
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>>115687707
Still better than Togashi
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>>115696056
Poor man just wanted some loli to fap to. RIPIP ;_;
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the good threads never take off here
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>>115698871
I didn't know it was done digitally. Fukken sugoi.
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This thread made me smile so much. Thank you, I love you /a/.
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>not reading your manga raw
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>>115698941
Togashi problem is not really with his art, he is a lazyfuck that can't produce under a schedule
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>>115699198
That's some Junji Ito shit right there.
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I always imagine it like this

>manga artist draws his manga at home
>his home is some poor apartment like the one Kurosawa lives in
>doesn't have chairs, he sits at a tiny table on the floor
>has a single assistant who is always a young and pretty girl
>she is in love with him but he doesn't notice
>artist is constantly getting calls from the editors of the magazine his manga is published in
>they always demand more pages than he could ever draw
>somehow he still always makes it a few seconds before the deadline
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>>115691635
I have that same chair, except mine is all fuck up. How do you keep it so nice?
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>>115687589
We should start our own weekly magazine.
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>>115700446
Rest in RIP Hair Dude.
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>>115700446
Why does he sit like that?
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I suck at these games.
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>>115687589
Now make a h-manga.
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>>115700446
He has some shitty ass hair.
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>>115698815
Is that a sassy black woman doing the finger snap in the top left?
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>>115700825
NANDATO YOU SAY SUMTHIN' BOUT MUH HAIR?
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>>115700773
quality shit
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>>115700773
Add one more panel with Rei turning into snow and it's a 10/10
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>>115700446
Okay bruh, let's go.
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>>115702304
Top grade, mate.
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>>115702335
Thanks m8.
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>>115702304
I like it.
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seems a bit weird to buy pattern of acetate, cut it and literally stick it to the page instead of just putting the pattern in digitally afterwards
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>>115702602
It's pretty fun.
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>>115702304
New mene is borne'd!
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>>115699198
averagetorikochapter.png
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>>115702602
I agree with the other anon, it might be p entertaining. Way easier (and faster?) digitally, though.
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>>115703784
>might be p entertaining
>p entertaining
>p

Trieb
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>>115703784
p for penis?
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>>115703922
W-what?
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>>115704746
The only word that starts with p is pretty, you bloody idiot.
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>this thread

I love you /a/
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>>115696056
IT'S THE LEGENDARY LOLICON REAPER
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>>115691635
Is that a fucking A-Channel fig. Do people actually like that show

although tooru was best girl i guess
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>>115702304
end yourself
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>>115700773
asuka looks like a retarded reptile for the first two panels
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>>115700081
That picture is from a while ago, so it's not as good now. It's mechanically fine still, but the surface flaked black shit everywhere. I can't complain that much for a $60 chair though. I'll definitely invest in a nice leather one next time.
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>>115700773
>became tang
perfect
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Amusing thread.
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My 20 minutes.
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>>115709629
I didn't know Michael J. Fox came to /a/.
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>>115696056
>>115700446
Fantastic.
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did i do good
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>>115709629

Nice jaggies.
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Nozaki-kun is set in the past before digital was a viable platform for budding manga artists.
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>>115710599
But they have smartphones?
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>>115710586
thanks do- WAIT I'M NOT EVEN ON /v/
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>>115710693
I just remember them using basic email. Are they really modern smart phones?
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>>115696056

Why did she splat a pie on the back of his head?
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>>115710401
chuckled
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>>115710990
Even with smartphones, that's how most eleven's text.
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>>115710791
We share most of our users with /v/, so it's only logical that /v/ humor is prevalent on /a/.
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Do Japs really email each other instead of using SMS?
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>>115696056
the things people can do with a tablet.
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>No loss edit

I know there's cross boarders here.
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>>115711286
Tablets make no difference. My friend created professional looking work with a mouse. What he had was a decade and a half of experience. As long as you know where lines are suppose to go and put enough time/skill you can create a masterpiece just by peeing in the snow.
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>>115711398
>a decade and a half of experience
Something I don't have, and never will. There's too much on my plate to be able to focus on drawing.
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>>115686580
If I could slap that shit together in 10 minutes I wouldn't even be watching anime. I'd just make my own reaction images until everyone starts begging me for source.
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>>115711426
You'd be surprised how busy he was. I'm been a neet for half a decade and the one thing I can tell you is if you don't do what you want little by little in your free time and aspire to build your talent ten you most likely won't get that much progress even if you had nothing but countless hours of free time for years and years. /blog
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>>115711175
E-mail is a much better and more reliable service.
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>>115711426
Such as posting on /a/.
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>>115711565
Nothing is stopping you if you put in effort.
You say you'd make reaction images if you had the skill, but how much have you dedicated of yourself to actually developing any skill instead of making excuses?
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>>115691173
Kill yourself.
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>>115711650
Exactly.

>>115711685
Some people just don't have the talent for it.
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>>115711967
Talent is just a bad excuse for being lazy.
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>>115711996
>>115712043
I tried. I failed. It's like Onii-sama said, there are those with talent and those without it. No in between.
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>>115711967
>Some people just don't have the talent for it.
Again how much time did you put into it, and what methods/resources did you use? Like anything else in life that means something it takes effort.
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>>115711967
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>>115711967
You'll probably never see what it means not to have talent. I imagine that if you actually did learn anything from the anons here, you'd go try it for 5 minutes, to an hour max for a couple days at best and give up, thinking that's actually what effort means.
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>>115712121
Start from the bottom. Draw shapes, then fruit, then trees, you get the idea.
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>>115710791
>>115711164
Fuck off /v/ermin
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>>115711597
Fax is even more reliable
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>>115712142
Too much time.

>>115712335
You're right, because all I know is what it means to have talent. I could sculpt, and I was damn good at it too. Something about the wiring in my brain is fucked up because the process doesn't happen with drawing. I just stare at the paper and scratch my head.

>>115712402
I can't do any of those.
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>>115712402
Basically this. What people fail to understand often is most anime/manga artists don't get good from drawing cartoons. They build a strong foundation from drawing from life, learning anatomy, form, flow, and other fundamentals from traditional sources. By becoming a good artist in the purest sense of the word, then if it's what they love they apply that skill as they learn the ins and outs of cartoons and develop a their own style.
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>>115712571
As someone who did art for a few years and probably if I had pursued it I'd get somewhere; a blank page is the most frightening thing on the planet.

I was always scared to start a new project. I think that's what made me drop it.
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>>115712121
And how much time did you actually spend doing some LEGITIMATE learning? Just because one doesn't have talent doesn't mean one can't reach a decent level of expertise. In all the conversations I've had with people who frame their ability to do things because they "don't have the talent" failed to realize they never put in enough effort or had an extremely poor learning process.
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>>115712571
Okay I'll work you through the basic progression of an absolute beginner.

Get tracing paper or a light table/create one, then trace. If you actually TRY and put your heart and patience into it a few times you'll get something at least okay, but you'll develop a feeling for how far apart everything is and such. If you look into proportions you'll be amazed as well.

From tracing you move onto copying which is pretty much the same as tracing but you have to focus harder and judge everything by eye to get it much as close as possible, and for tracers copying is a big jump.

After that you use references to create characters you like in original poses/angles by understanding there proportions and designs by heart.

And from there you can expand into many paths of original design and experimentation. You'll build a lot of confidence that way if you don't have it.
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>>115712799
see
>>115712571

>an extremely poor learning process.
Is that some new age tumblr way of saying "fucking retard with no talent and no chance of success"?
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>>115712571
>I can't do any of those.
Bullshit. Don't tell me you can't draw a circle. It doesn't have to be perfect, but its a start.
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>>115712043

But Yui still failed at making the cookies.

Trying only goes so far
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>>115712895
Well fine, I won't tell you.
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>>115712944
It was a learning experience.
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>>115691424
Tablets still can be lacking in the tactile feedback that paper provides though. One argument I've heard made in support of traditional media, at least for training purposes, is that you're forced to deal with and be much more mindful of errors because they're more difficult to fix, as opposed to hitting undo.
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/a/ should make a manga and it will become popular enough to have a show in Japan! We definitely have the potential guys. Unlike the barneyfags and westaboos, we actually have a chance!
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>>115711685
Notice how I started with "If". I was mocking OP because the assertion he makes is asinine.

Don't fucking put words in my mouth, you cunt.
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>>115687935
i cannot breathe
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>>115712857
This with basic anatomical understanding will take you far.

Also what's important is to understand the elements of art... shape, form, value, line, color, space, and texture. Then you go into principles of design.

The internet is the biggest library in the world and this is entry level basics in the art world. My belief is even if logic is your dominant hemisphere, you can still become an amazing artist, because art also has specific formulas. There's countless ways to learn but every one of them means putting in a lot of work and the more efficient you make your learning process the farther you'll get in less time.
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>>115713228
>fucking put words in my mouth, you cunt.
Correcting yourself was fine, but with an outburst like that, who's the real cunt? Hint: Look in the mirror
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>>115712877
>Is that some new age tumblr way of saying "fucking retard with no talent and no chance of success"?
I'm not trying to antagonize you. If all you do is scratch your head when you look at a sheet of paper you should put pencil to paper and draw instead. You're not the only one who feels that way. If you head over to /ic/ you can always find a depressed artist thread of some sort. Though if you're through with learning to draw that's fine, people have different priorities in life.
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>>115686580
>You could slap that shit together in like 10min using Photoshop.
Korea tried this. It looks like trash.
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I don't like it when people tell me to "just start practicing!" when I say I wish I could draw. No, that takes thousands of hours of practice and I don't care enough about learning how to draw to put that much time into it, I have other things to do. I'm just saying it would be nice if I were able to draw, right now, and I could do some cool stuff, but since I can't I probably won't unless I win the lottery and obtain infinite free time.
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>>115713608
>not liking webtoons
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All of you whining about talent are really silly. Because what talent can get you is to create incredibly intricate and detailed pieces.

The level you guys would be satisfied with but don't think you can ever achieve, a chimp with a pencil up his ass could do if he tried long enough.

If I put a gun to someone's head and threatened to torture them with a cheese grater if they didn't comply with me, I'm sure I could break down every wall someone has about talent and teach them a little pride and that they can draw well.
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>>115713397
> If all you do is scratch your head when you look at a sheet of paper you should put pencil to paper and draw instead.
What? This makes no sense. "If you can't draw, then draw" ?

>>115713685
You're an idiot for thinking torture ever works. It just makes them harden up.
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>>115691635
>Godoka wall, Tohru figure
Let me guess, Aoi Yuuki fan?
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>>115713366
But I wasn't correcting myself. I was pointing out that you completely misinterpreted what I was saying, which I find extremely difficult to do because I have no clue how you would interpret what I said the way you did.

I called you a cunt because you make a pretty damn big assumption that I made any excuses in the first place.

On that note, if you could make an exact copy of OP's image in 10 minutes, I would shit up and admit I was wrong, because THAT is the point I was making in my post that was meant to be witty, but you've gone and blown this entire damn thing out of proportion, punk.
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>>115713682
>liking webtoons
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>>115713679
This. Having a full time job tends to eat up most of your day, and mine's not even the worst compared to some of my friends. Then there's familial responsibilities, social obligations, etc.
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>>115713679
>obtain infinite free time
If you spend 15 minutes on it 3 days a week for 5 years that would amount to over 150 hours of practice and you'd be able to draw at a level of a standard draw fag.
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>>115713767
shut up*
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>>115713679
>>115713860
Exactly. Yeah, sure, I COULD learn to draw if I magically gained thousands of hours of time and I could use it without aging a second, but you can say the same of fucking anything at all.

>>115713887
No, you need to spend at least several hours every single day just learning the basics.
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>>115713924
>No, you need to spend at least several hours every single day just learning the basics.
No you don't.
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>>115713767
You have to be baiting. No one could be this baka.
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>>115713976
Riiight. So if somebody has a habit of just doodling because that's all you can do with a piece in fifteen minutes, you think that somehow translates to proper skill?
Are you actually this retarded?
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>>115713735
>If you can't draw, then draw
That's literally how everyone starts.
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>>115713924
This is what people mean by excuse after excuse after excuse. You'll never be a good artist, not because you can't be with a little time every day but because you'll keep making excuses because you're afraid to try.
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>>115714037
One thing is just doodling around, other is actually applying yourself and looking for ways to improve.
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>>115713924
>you can say the same of fucking anything at all

Not really, since most "skill increasing" related tasks coincide with whatever your career is.

If you're a career artist, good for you and best of luck financially, but don't be arrogant enough to think literally anybody can just drop what they're doing career-wise and pick up drawing.
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>>115713978
If I'm so wrong then go ahead and prove it. It'll just take 10 minutes, right?
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>>115714045
That doesn't do anything about his stupid phrasing.

>>115714046
You didn't pay attention to anything I wrote, did you? I tried doing it for YEARS, and failed every single time. These days I've just plain given up.

>>115714077
>>115714087
>If you spend 15 minutes on it 3 days a week for 5 years
Fifteen measly minutes isn't enough to learn.

>>115714114
Woah dude, don't shoot me, I'm on your side!

>don't be arrogant enough to think literally anybody can just drop what they're doing career-wise and pick up drawing.
That's what I've been saying to them.
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>>115714037
No he's right. You can use it to actual learn principles, or study someone elses drawing process in videos, or yes actually doodle. Day by day you will improve, but you have to actual put in that time consistently instead of making excuses even if you're discouraged.
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>>115714087
This guy's right. I doodle all the time and I can't draw for shit.

But, when I spent an hour a day for about a month (before I just kinda stopped caring), I did get mildly better at drawing stuff. I can do shapes that don't look flat on the paper and have perspective.

Also, typical anime/manga style stuff is "easy" as hell, since it doesn't bother with all of the "traditional" rules of art.
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>>115714203
>Woah dude, don't shoot me

Sorry, this entire thing has turned into a clusterfuck. Friendly fire.
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Contributing
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>>115714325
inb4flames
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>>115714325
I chuckled
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>>115714203
>Fifteen measly minutes isn't enough to learn.
It is, though. You're not understanding that.
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>>115714240
No, he's wrong. Again, doodling exclusively does not produce any decent artwork.

>>115714256
He didn't say an HOUR, he said fifteen minutes, which is why I called him out on his bullshit.
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>>115714325
PEPE NO. HE'S YOUR ONLY FRIEND.
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>>115714325
Pepe ;;
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>>115714256
But it does. The fundamentals relate to everything and since cartooning is about simplification and exaggeration its easy to make something that looks ugly and not supporting of the things narrative if you don't know how its supposed to look and work in reality.

I guess this is why you use quotation marks.

Just saying that they aren't as much rules as they are tools passed down from artists that went before us.
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>>115714256
>Also, typical anime/manga style stuff is "easy" as hell, since it doesn't bother with all of the "traditional" rules of art.
Depending on what you mean by that sentence, you are completely wrong. The simplification of subjects in anime/manga usually mislead many on how deeply rooted it is in the fundamentals.
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>tfw want to draw
>bad at it
>lack the attention span to practice on it consistently
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>>115714520
Stop talking out of your ass.
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>>115714578
You don't have the ability for it, don't let the artfags ITT fool you.
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>>115686580
AMERICA IS WORST COUNTRY EVER

NO CULTURE ONLY FAT APE

MANCA IS KEY

MANCA IS HONOR

FUCKYOU
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>>115714395
You're right, fifteen minutes is hardly any time at all. An hour though is a bit more time to get at least something done, and doesn't take your whole day away.

>>115714503
>>115714520
Yeah, it has roots in fundamentals, but in the simplification of certain things, they go around what is generally seen as traditional art.

They take liberties with stuff like proportions and perspective and whatnot, is what I'm trying to say.
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Less bitching more reitterations of that comic!
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>>115692900
>>adobe creative collection
>>$1k
>paying for that
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>>115714203
>That doesn't do anything about his stupid phrasing.
Then what do you even mean? One does not simply know how to draw at first therefore they practice drawing to get better.
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>>115714578
Drawing ability comes down to hand eye coordination and fine motor control. The only talent required is a love for drawing strong enough to motivate you to practice.

There is nothing difficult about drawing.
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I recently drew a character after a long period of not drawing cuz my art sucks. I discovered my skill hasn't changed...thank god it didn't get worse at least but in terms of improvement I think I've hit a brick wall. I seem to have a cartoony style that I can't shake off without tracing another's style. Wat do?
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>>115714689
>Then what do you even mean?
That's what I was asking him.

>>115714707
You forgot about the mind.
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>>115714765
Find an editor/
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>>115714791
>You forgot about the mind.
That's what references are for.
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>>115714595
He's not, let me go find some images.
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>>115714936
Cartoon and highly stylized art is not usually reductionist but symbolic. Cartoonists rarely ever work their way down from fine arts training, they start at the bottom and either stay there or work their way up to more technically difficult understanding of art.
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>>115714936
Perspective
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I'd be happy to just make erotic illustrations.
How do you like this cypress poking at a pussy that I "drew"?

Maybe a real drawfag in this thread can expand on my composition. Just keep the bush, you loliconfags.
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>>115714890
References won't help you if you can't get a picture going in your mind in the first place.
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>>115715060
More on perspective
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>>115715063
Can't see shit captain
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>>115714192
Not that anon but I tried your challenge. I haven't drawn in forever and wasn't that great to begin with. If you practice daily though it makes a huge difference. Believe in yourself.
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>>115715120
Are you a retard?
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>>115715050
If this is true, I wish more people would mention it when talking about learning art. Every time I think about it the time spent drawing shit that I could not give less of a fuck about scares me away.
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>>115715125
Form and anatomy
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>>115715199
Gesture
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>>115715193
If you don't enjoy what you're drawing you will never practice and never get better. Drawing anything is better than not drawing. Just don't pretend your shitty scribbles are good prematurely.
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Light/color
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>>115714325
>>>/r9k/
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>>115715302

Calm down, dude.
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>>115715286
More on perspective
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>>115715131
Here.
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>>115715302
Calm down
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>>115715155
Close enough. I'll keep an open mind about it.
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>>115715330
No I can't. No feels allowed, ever.
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>>115715355
an adventurer with a ponytail and cloak is stepping into a cave?
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>>115715333
More on perspective
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>>115715355
Looks to me like a girl with a ponytail going into a cave
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>>115715373
It's okay to have feels, anon. No one will laugh at you

much
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>>115715396
More on perspective.
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>>115715434
These are great, too bad I can't read whatever they're saying
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>>115715427
No that shitty meme that infests board belongs on /r9k/. You have millions of Anime images to use, there is no need for it here.
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>>115691424


>>115691635
got mine while I was working at a butcher.
1 1/2 years of saving,
mine you I was 17 at the time.
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>>115715434
Simplifying anatomy with forms and also a little perspective.
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>>115715464
Nigga are you even any good at drawing? If not, what a waste.
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>>115715471
Anatomy
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>>115715382
>>115715400
This should be one of those "you're a fag" pics.
Gimme a break, I had to use the trackpad.
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This meme is ebin

I actually really love it.
Better savor it while it's fresh.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODT7L2zxHIU
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>>115715366
Yay.
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>>115715532
Bone Anatomy
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>>115691097
Still need proper backgrounds, it's somewhat ambiguous whether it takes place in a hall, room or alley.
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>>115715583
Is that my nigga Hiramoto? That's Mari.
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>>115714650
15 minutes of theory could still be very good. For example, I read perspective made easy during breaks at school, put it to practice at home (~10 minutes) and finished the book in a few weeks. Point is, an apple a day keeps the idiots who think talent is real away.
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It only takes a few minutes to write a chapter though

BLEACH 854
*unsheathes katana*
nothin personell...kid..
*teleports behind you*
CHAPTER END
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>>115715621
More on anatomy
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>>115715673
Well talent is real. Ask any art teacher who's been doing it long enough and there's very young people way beyond there years.

That said a lot of effort is a talent in itself as well.
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>>115715751
More on anatomy
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>Nothing like this has been posted yet

You're losing your touch, /a/.
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I can sort of understand why anime is still animated on paper but why are the backgrounds done with traditional painters. Many of them are pretty detailed and it just seems like a huge pain in the ass with real paint. Digital is so much more forgiving with inevitable mistakes.
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>>115715783
Those young people ain't magic, son. They all spend 15 minutes drawing every day.
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>>115715799
Perspective
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>>115715814
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>>115714325
Where did it all go wrong, Pepe? When did you stop feeling good man from peeing pants down and start feeling the feels?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LH3ZLXHOJM
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>>115715875
That's foreshortening, not perspective.
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>>115715909
The bald fucker infected him. Don't delay stop feelfags today.
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>>115715933
I consider foreshortening a part of perspective.
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>>115715933
Foreshortening is a result of perspective.
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>>115715865
I know. I'm just saying talent does exist.

But people who say they can't draw because they don't have talent are making excuses. Skill can always be achieved with effort.
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>>115687707
>taking this seriously
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>>115716068
It's like people forgot how to have fun.
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>>115715875
Last picture. I hope that this is enough evidence to people that anime/manga has deep roots in the fundamentals. The evidence is obscured by the simplicity of the presentation. Some might wonder where the artists are constructing the forms for some of the pictures. They do it in their heads because they gained the ability to after practicing for years and years. I'd also like to remind that death/health problems by overworking exists in Japan a lot.
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>>115716326
And I fucking forgot to attach it to the post.
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>>115716372
I guess one more on a work schedule.
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>>115687589
Anime adaption when
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>>115716421
Well we're not trying to prove that manga artists work hard. A lot of the thread was convincing people that they can draw and you don't need to be on that level to produce work at a hobbyist level.
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