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In one simple sentence, explain to me why Shinji is choking Asuka.
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>>112976176
To make you ask questions.
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>>112976176
For fun
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>>112976176
Because she's a bitch.
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>one simple sentence

Haha, no.
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>>112976176
Hes even got his thumbs on pressure points. What the hell?
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The Japanese Psyche.
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>>112976176
to see if she is tang
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>>112976176
You're welcome.
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>>112976176
He wants to be accepted.
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Are you real?
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>>112976176
To see if she is real and not part of some tang dream.
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>>112976514
This.
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>>112976176
Necrophilia: Shinji wants to kill Asuka before fucking her.
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>>112976176
He was looking for rejection, got caressed instead.
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>>112976176
Tang.
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>>112976676
/thread
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>>112976622
This is correct. Don't listen to other theories.
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>>112976176
he went full hedgehog
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>>112976176
3DEEP5U
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Wanted to see if she was real.
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>>112976514
>>112976567
This is the concrete answer.

Fucking retards.
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>>112976176
>While recording the scene in which Shinji strangles Asuka, Ogata Megumi (Shinji) became so frustrated and agitated that she actually pushed Miyamura Yuko (Asuka) to the floor and strangled her. Because of this, Miyamura had difficulty speaking her lines for a while.

>Asuka's voice actress, Yuko Miyamura, mentioned in an interview that Asuka's final line in the movie was her own idea. The original script called for the line "An'ta nanka ni korosareru no wa mappira yo!" ("I'd hate to be killed by a bastard like you!"), but Miyamura, Megumi Ogata (the voice actress who played Shinji) and director Hideaki Anno were at a loss over how the line should have been delivered; Ogata even attempted to strangle Miyamura in frustration. Finally, Anno told Miyamura to imagine a stranger masturbating over her while she was sleeping; he also asked her what she would think or say upon waking and realizing what had happened. Miyamura's reply: "Kimochi warui" ("I feel disgusting").
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>>112976853
That's not a single sentence, faggot.
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shinji = post WW2 japan
asuka = America
choking = what japan wants to do to america
but in reality they masturbate to us (ie become consumers of our culture)
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>>112976878
americareadingisforfaggots.jpg
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>>112976176
NGE is one of those shows that if just some specific characters where to just fuck or just have some hate-sex everything vould had turned better
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>>112976176
autism
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>>112976622
This. Shinji loved Asuka so much that he didn't want her to fall in love with him because he was a total loser.
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>>112976907
I think you went too deep son.
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>>112976932
>i dun geddit
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>>112976176
Cuz Anno is fucking stupid.
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I'll have Shinji explain it to you instead, OP.
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>>112976176
Because why not?
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>>112976176
He was trippin balls on Tang.
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This a very deep and complex show and you are certainly not the first person that wonder why is Shinki choking Azuca but the answer is in fact very simple.

She is a bitch and she getting what she deserves.
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>>112976962
ur stupid
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>>112976176
Witnessed the end of the world, only person alive for a long time, hallucinates, doesn't know if Asuka is real or a hallucination, gauges for a reaction out of her, gets affection instead of rejection, cries now that he's no longer alone and someone showed some affection.
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>>112976176
He just came back from quite possibly the next best thing to heaven, in order to "save the world" and the first thing he sees is the bitch that kicks him and talks shit about everything he does

tl;dr she bitch he mad
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>>112977282
That's not what happens at all.
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>>112976176
To proove that they're both human.
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He choked to her to see if he would get a response because in tang dream she would just die and since she resisted, he knew she wasn't tang or something.
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>>112977249
Was it confirmed how long he was on that beach? I know about the rusted cross and Curse of Eva stuff, but did Anno say anything about it?
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He felt guilty that she saw everything in the tang and needed to knock her off. No one must know. Bitch couldn't do it
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>>112976176
Asuka is into some weird shit.
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>>112977364
I don't think so. I think it's just intended to be a long enough time that Shinji lost track of it. Not sure if Anno said anything about it. Read up on Evageeks, it'll be there if he did.
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>Anno
>confirming anything
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>>112977358
or because she didn't resist and instead showed empathy is why shinji let go, holy crap revalation
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My guess is that he still swasn't ready to get close to another person, especially when they're the only two people left in a post-apocalyptic wasteland and especially when it's Asuka, but her kindness made reverse his decision.
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>>112977551
Shinji was never ready to be close with someone. He purposely always shoved people away because he was afraid of rejection and bad judgment.
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>>112976176
Because she is only attractive when she is quite.
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>>112977606
So why was he looking for rejection in the end?
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>>112977551
Imagine how much better everything would have been if Shinji and Asuka had just fucked.
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>>112976176
He was choking her to find out if they were still in the tang.
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>>112977420
She's German, it comes with the territory.
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>>112977630
I don't think he was. I think he was just looking for some sort of reaction from her to see if she was real. And because she showed affection, he let her go and cried. Its all he really wanted.
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>>112977651
It's not so much the act of having sex would solve the issue, but them finally getting over their respective hedgehog dilemmas and coming to an understanding.
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>>112976176

>In one simple sentence, explain to me why Shinji is choking Asuka.

Because he just had his mind raped by everyone on Earth collectively and he is attacking the last remaining person on Earth in a desperate act to retain his sanity as well as confirmation of her existence.

>simple

Oh sorry.

He h8 dat bitch because she sexually fustrate him.
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>>112976176

He's choking the chicken
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>>112977748
Leave the bird alone.
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Shinji is choking Asuka for the same reason he was choking her in this scene.
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>>112976176
Because she's a cunt that treats like shit and Shinji finally snapped after dying the moon red with humanity's blood. I don't get what's so hard to understand
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>>112977696
Just fucking without connecting on that deeper emotional level would've left the two of them far more fucked up than when they'd started, in all likelihood.
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>>112977818
That was what happened the other time he choked her.
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>>112976176
LASfags getting B T F O
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>>112977862
Yeah, that's what I meant. The two of them just fucking wouldn't automatically solve everything since sexual frustration was just one aspect of the problem.
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>>112977651

That's like saying 'Imagine how much better Love Hina would have been if Keitaro and Naru just fucked.

The point is, the show would have ended at that point. The entire point of Eva was not the Mecha fighting, Angels and Steele. The point was the fucked up lives of the main characters. And how Shinji, Asuka (and Misato) all pretty much had the same issues.
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>>112977940
I know. I meant in their lives and for everyone else involved.
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>>112977940
Pretty much this. They all served as different perspectives of the same basic human dilemma: Loneliness
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>>112976176
To ensure you get replies
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>>112977993
Miscommunication would have been my personal interpretation, but loneliness does tie a lot into that.
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>>112977940
>The point is, the show would have ended at that point.
I hate this. Who says you have to end a show once its initial dilemma resolved. REC starts with the couple fucking. Half of Rainbow jail bros was about their integration back into normal life.
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>>112978048
I think eva presented them as inexorably linked.
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>>112977940

I'm not sure Eva had a point, to be honest.

I think it was supposed to be about mecha fighting and ended up being a documentary of one man's spiral into depression and madness.
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To represent the hedgehog's dilemma. Asuka's caress is the answer to it.
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>>112978095
The mecha fighting was supposed to show how far the characters fell during their descent to depression in the latter half.
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>>112978064
Eva would've been an entirely different show if Asuka and Shinji miraculously managed to not treat each other like shit and get together.
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>>112976176
its his fetish
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>>112978095
Eva is a show that explicitly spells out its point to the audience multiple times
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>>112978048
I recall at the end of ep 26 them all coming to the same conclusion, that they are afraid to be alone. That all the things they do (Misato having sex, Asuka looking for praise from everyone, Shinji looking for being of worth to someone) they do to fill the feeling of loneliness that sinks a hole in their hearts. That's why I said loneliness.
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>>112978140
Yes? Your point being?
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>>112978187
That was his point. It wouldn't be Eva if the characters got over the main point of the show halfway through.
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>>112978095

These are Anno's words describing the series when it began. It was always very character focused, and always pretty depressing and personal.

>This is roughly the worldview for Neon Genesis Evangelion. This is a worldview drenched in a vision of pessimism. A worldview where the story starts only after any traces of optimism have been removed. And in that world, a 14-year-old boy shrinks from human contact. And he tries to live in a closed world where his behavior dooms him, and he has abandoned the attempt to understand himself. A cowardly young man who feels that his father has abandoned him, and so he has convinced himself that he is a completely unnecessary person, so much so that he cannot even commit suicide.

>And there is a 29-year-old woman who lives life so lightly as to barely allow the possibility of a human touch. She protects herself by having surface level relationships, and running away. Both are extremely afraid of being hurt. Both are unsuitable - lacking the positive attitude - for what people call heroes of an adventure. But in any case, they are the heroes of this story.

>They say, "To live is to change." I started this production with the wish that once the production complete, the world, and the heroes would change. That was my "true" desire. I tried to include everything of myself in Neon Genesis Evangelion-myself, a broken man who could do nothing for four years. A man who ran away for four years, one who was simply not dead. Then one thought. "You can't run away," came to me, and I restarted this production. It is a production where my only thought was to burn my feelings into film.
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I'll ignore the one simple sentence rule, but the whole point of Shinji's instrumentality was that he learned to accept humanity despite it's hedgehog dilema. People will hurt each other, but only by accepting that can anyone find happiness or the warmth of others. After his interaction with the illusion of Asuka inside Instrumentality before Komm Susser Todd starts, he needs to make sure that this is the real world and not still inside Instrumentality. So he chokes Asuka to get a reaction, to prove that she'll actually react to him, and he expects her to react in a typical Asuka way; abrasively. But even better for him, she responds with a loving caress. She accepted him for all that he is, which is what he risked returning humanity to all its imperfections for.
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>>112978152
That would require people to actually pay attention.
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>>112976176
To make sure if he returned or still in rei-juice & because he has issues
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>>112978064

Trust me, I agree with you. I wish more shows had actual relationships and positive themes. But I was just pointing out how Eva is one show where that wouldn't have worked.
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here you go OP
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>>112976176
Disgusting.
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The aging of his possessions suggest he's been alone with himself for quite some time.
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>>112978239
If she accepts him how do you explain the hole, you disgust me part
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>>112978345
What does she find disgusting?
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>>112978332
I'd argue Eva had positive themes
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>>112978390
She accepts that he's a sad, fucked up, disgusting loser
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>>112978390
>>112978394
The whole Shinji fapping to her in the hospital scene.
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>>112978390
Presumably she is aware that Shinji jerked off to her from instrumentality.
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>>112978390
She's disgusted with Shinji/herself/everything/Instrumentality or it's a mistranslation. Take your pick.
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Shinji is choking Asuka because they're both disgusted with each other.
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>>112978477
I like this one too.
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All I got from this thread was that Shinji was checking to see if Asuka was real and then stopped because Asuka was finally being nice to him. Is that right?
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>>112978437
>>112978470
>>112978476
>>112978477

SASUGA ANON
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>>112978503
No.

Or at least I think no, mostly because End of Eva is not about the triumph of positive feelings.
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>>112978503
the checking what's real explanation is really totally unsubstantiated in the film itself, it makes much more sense to think of it as a continuation of the previous choking scene
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>>112976176
Anno.
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>>112978503
It's mostly up to your own interpretation because Anno is a bastard who likes to see everyone suffer.
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>>112976261

/thread

in fact this is the whole and sum of Eva and Japan post war.

Fuck...the combo of those two bombs and surrendering really did a number, didn't it?
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>>112978593
He literally hallucinates seeing Rei moments before Asuka shows up. I'm pretty sure he was having a hard time gauging what real and what's not. Also, ep 26, when he is alone in that white mist, he loses his sense of reality, who he is, and feels himself becoming nothing without human interaction. He had a very fragile view on reality while he was alone.
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>>112976907

Right on target
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>>112978503
It's a little more than that. Yes, Shinji was rattled by the events of instrumentality and he could have mistaken Asuka as an illusion on the beach. However, he still had unresolved tensions with Asuka, largely stemming from her unwillingness to show affection, and he acts out on it when she emerges from Tang. When she caresses him, Shinji realizes he has been accepted and begins crying in reaction to this.
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>>112978735
>>112978773
Everything Anno does is actually a metaphor for post war Japan. When he makes breakfast he makes it in a way that resembles post war Japan.
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>>112978735
Not to turn this into a legit Eva thread, but I disagree. Eva's not just about postwar Japan (although that can certainly be a fair read, with everybody being named after WWII-era ships). I think Eva's about the discontent and social unease of being an otaku (or being a fuck of a person).
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>>112977420
>>112977676

...German, uh, shouldn't she be swimming in shit?
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>>112978821
She swims in blood, close enough.
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>>112978821
There's a video for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrUf-QBBngY
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>>112978816

Why is he so butthurt? Is this why he is so praised by the community, because he's been the only one with the balls to say whats really on all of Japans mind?
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>>112978821
have I got some doujins for you
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>>112978905
EVA is not about Anno crying that Japan lost WWII. It could have attributed to his depression, but the product that came out of that had nothing to do with it.
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>>112978820
Anno's statements on the matter seem to indicate he thinks the two are linked in some way. Not that I think it's really the focus of eva or even a theme among others, but it does seem to bleed in.
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>>112978948

Ok, so he's angry and frustrated at the world, who with angst isn't? And you gotta admit, Japan is kinda a default slave state to America...or was.

>>112978843
Uh...Female blood? If so...thats worse.
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>>112978948
It's a subconscious instinct. Anno can't help himself from indulging in it.
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>>112978390
the original was meant to say i am sick/feeling sick or you sicken me.
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>>112978958
I think the postwar attitude and the disillusionment most Japanese felt towards the Imperial-era does play something of a role in Eva, but that merely restricting that to "Eva's influenced by the fact that Japan lost WWII" misses the mark a little.

To wit: Shinji's inability to display traditional masculine qualities (especially in contrast to Gundam pilots who are reluctant-yet-competent soldiers) mirrors the feelings of unease or dislocation echoed by postwar authors such as Yukio Mishima.

I don't know anon, I just don't know it's probably why Eva's still my favorite anime.
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>>112979021
I'm saying that isn't the reason why EVA became so successful. EVA isn't popular here because of the WWII messages and themes, right?
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To prove that she's real.
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>>112976176
To ensure that Anno had jewed enough japbux out of the ending to fund the Rebuilds.

This is the only answer.
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>>112979125
People interpret just about everything from that period as a postwar Japan allegory. I really just ignore it these days.
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>>112979125
I think if you had to focus it down to any one point of influence, it would be the way it portrays the gap between the pre- and post-2nd impact generations. I haven't really read much of anything on the subject so I could be completely off the mark, but it felt like an echo of a pre- and post-war divide. The children's sort of oblivious acceptance of what is basically a post apocalyptic scenario. I dunno, I think you're right in saying it's an influence but ultimately not the point in any real way.
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>>112979090
Still raises the same questions as the translation though. How disgusting can refer to just about everything that happens to them in that movie.
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>>112979153

No, it's because 95% of the males that have seen it identify with Shinji. And all of us females think he needs to have a good fuck.
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>>112976176
FOR THE SAME REASON HE WAS CHOKING HER 20 MINUTES EARLIER IN THE FILM

Evengelion isn't deep, you people are just fucking dumb and try too hard
>hurr to prove he exists XD
kill yourself.
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>>112979306
Which has nothing to do with Anno's opinion on WWII, okay. As said earlier, Shinji getting a good fuck isn't going to solve all of his problems.

>>112979366
>being this mad
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Gain your own capacity for reasoning and interpretation, you useless cunt.
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>>112979125

Well anon, when you had a culture that existed somewhat homogeneously for 1400 odd years unchallenged, thinking to itself it could take on the world, lose that gamble...lost it HARD, then have to rebuild and conform to a world view and pathos that is, and still is, diametrically opposed to the "tradition" of your people...yeah, you'd have some problems too.

>>112979282

Human nature to Move On.
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>>112979435
Then the nips should listen to your suggestion and "move on"
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>>112979413

Oh you...just laugh for once!
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>>112979306
>95% of the males that have seen it identify with Shinji
I think you're right, and I also think that's why most people who watch Eva say they like it but they can't stand Shinji.

>>112979282
In regards to national trauma, that might be a point. The pre-war Imperial attitude and post-war/post-Hiroshima/Nagasaki attitudes are very different.

Anno would have grown up during an economic boom in Japan, and by the time Eva was released Japan itself was in an economic recession wasn't it?

I don't want to say that the generational gap isn't an influence, but at the same time the analogy isn't a 1 to 1 point.
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>>112979465

Nukes kinda really fuck with your head anon. Losing a war...yeah, it sucks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuBCPkvaa5A
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>>112979505
Yeah, the bubble would've burst right about the start of the 90s
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>>112979505

Anon...the economic recession was essentially Japan losing again. Almost worse. This, another failed gambit due to corporate cronyism.
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>>112979516
So what. Everyone who's Japanese should just lie around, escape into their anime fantasies, and gradually commit suicide as their population increasingly shrinks just because of an awful event that happened in their history? Sounds like a certain segment of the Eva fanbase here on /a/.
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>>112978168
>(Misato having sex, Asuka looking for praise from everyone, Shinji looking for being of worth to someone)

Another point of the series is that all of those actions are expressions of their self-hate and only hurt and dehumanize others, perpetuating the cycle. It turns everyone into distant objects for their own self-satisfaction, which is why he fapped to Asuka. It represented the hedgehog's ideal relationship - distant, abusive, and with no communication, only pleasant images for fleeting base satisfaction.

When he begs Asuka to support him in the coffee scene, she rightly points out that he doesn't give a shit who it's from, he'll just become dependent on them as his self-esteem doll, to replace his own individuality that he rejects. And when they leave, hedgehogs become broken like Gendo was without Yui. He desires his dad's love, someone he doesn't understand as a person (as Rei points out). He gets Kaworu's love, without bothering to try to understand him at all (or else he would've found out he was an angel). His desire for "love" causes him to become dependent and making his whole world revolve around it, refusing to grow as a person. Because he'll still hate himself all the same.

Asuka's mother becomes a doll with her individuality forcibly removed, and then, of course, can only see her daughter as a doll too. Which causes Asuka to only use herself and others as dolls to support her self-esteem, which only drives everyone away from her. Rei was a representation of that "dolled" individual, someone created and used by others to achieve their own self-satisfying goals, which Asuka was terrified of being and why she hated Rei. And she especially hated being a doll that's thrown away, like Ritsuko and her mother was to Gendo.

Instrumentality was also essentially "everybody hates themselves > rejects their individuality > fills themselves with everybody else who also hate themselves", which is what they've all been doing already. So fucked up.
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>>112979435
Although I'm not going to discount the idea that Japanese people think they're culture is homogeneous (that narrative has been pretty reinforced since the Meiji/Taisho era), I don't think that's the major focus of Evangelion's story.

Despite being attached to a homogeneous Japan, Japan also thought of itself as "more Western" than a lot of other Asian states. This isn't really a major topic in Eva, but it's reflected by Eva's reliance on Lacan (Hedgehog's Dilemma) and other existentialist/angsty rhetoric.

If there is an element of national identity in Eva, it comes out in the interactions between Asuka and Shinji (specifically when Asuka uses national heritage to distance herself from Shinji).

>>112979670
It's a very different sort of "failure" however: as an economic crisis it didn't effect every Japanese citizen in the same way. Japan remains one of the world's largest economies, Japanese companies are some of the world's most affluent.
The discontent felt by the recession is less about becoming disillusioned with a certain sense of Japanese tradition and more coming to grips with the downfalls and hazards of aggressive capitalist modernity.
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>>112976176
I can't.
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>>112979021
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>>112979716
Congratulations! You discovered why Anno hates Reifags.
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>>112978771
>He literally hallucinates seeing Rei moments before Asuka shows up.

That wasn't a hallucination. Rei's become god, and god can appear everywhere. It's why she appeared in episode 1.
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>>112976176
>Bochan_bird, Drama card D-88; "Kimochi warui":
>"Shinji renounced the world where all hearts had melted into one and accepted each other unconditionally. His desire... to live with 'others' -- other hearts that would sometimes reject him, even deny him. That is why the first thing he did after coming to his senses was to place his hands around Asuka's neck. To feel the existence of an 'other'. To confirm (make sure of) rejection and denial."

>Card H-11
>Regular side, picture description: "What we see is the aftermath of Third Impact, like in the ending sequence, there is Shinji standing (dressed in his school uniform), his hand, palm up, in front of him, and he's looking at (and casting his shadow upon) an unconscious Asuka, laying of the ground in an unconscious-but-also-inviting-and-somewhat-surrendering pose, her home attire messed up so that all what was visible of her in the original scene is there for Shinji and the viewer to see." Bochan_bird translation:
>"In the sea of LCL, Shinji wished for a world with other people. He desired to meet them again, even if it meant he would be hurt and betrayed. And just as he had hoped/wanted, Asuka was present in the new world. Only Asuka was there beside him. The girl who he had hurt, and by whom he had been hurt. But even so, she was the one he had hoped/wished for...."

>Reverse side:"3rd Children Ikari Shinji":
>"Neither Yui, Rei nor Misato could do as a woman for Shinji. Asuka alone was the only girl on equal footing with him. So, Shinji desired/sought after Asuka. "I'm afraid of Misato and Ayanami." However, Shinji's crude affection only hurt her. In the end, he used her as an object of lust/desire to soothe/ console himself..."
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>>112979874
Took you long enough, I was wondering when this would get posted.
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>>112979874

Yeah, but who wrote that card? Some fanfiction writer?
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>>112979716

Anon...they know they lost and can never rise to that prestige again.

They have nothing left to pride themselves for but cheep electronics and cartoons that were originally inspired by a guy that hated Jews and drew a fucking mouse.
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It's Anno talking about the subject matter and themes the movie series has dealt with, and his final feelings about it all.
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>>112979021
>Uh...Female blood? If so...thats worse.

She slit her wrists, didn't she? I can't remember.
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>>112979021
what, you never had a vampire shake before?
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>>112979756
This actually hit the nail on the head for me. I interpreted it in a similar way, but couldn't articulate my thoughts like you just did.
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>>112976394
But why would seals attack nerv if they both want the sirdo impactu? How was what Rei did different to what G-unit wanted?
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>>112979959
>Neon Genesis Evangelion: The Card Game (??????????? ??????) is a collectible card game that was first released by Bandai in 1998, with two main decks based on the original TV series and on the two movies (Evangelion: Death and Rebirth and The End of Evangelion) respectively. Both starter decks and supplemental packs could be purchased. Cards are divided into the categories Angel, Battle, Character, Drama, Instrumentality (??; incorrectly rendered "Consummation" in the English fan translation), and Put.

>Nearly all cards contain a quote from the show/movie and a small blurb of text pertaining to the Evangelion universe, related to the image on the card (usually a screenshot). The special Instrumentality cards have two sides, one of which features an original illustration by an artist from Gainax (Toshi Ishizaki, Shoji Saeki, Yusuke Yoshigaki, et al.).

>released by Bandai in 1998
>all cards contain a quote from the show/movie and a small blurb of text pertaining to the Evangelion universe
>original illustration by an artist from Gainax
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>>112979871
I thought she would have become a "god like being", but died because Shinji inevitably rejected instrumentality
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When people ask me to describe Eva, I usually say something along the lines that it's a universe where Freudian-Jungian psychoanalysis have replaced the physical laws of the universe.
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>>112980182
Powertrippin mod ho!
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He's frustrated.
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>>112980125
>all this shit just to get to illustrations

That doesn't answer WHO WROTE THE FUCKING TEXT.
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He does it for free.
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He's fed up with her and her anta bakas
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>>112980294
Gainax, who else?
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>>112980294
some intern at bandai probably
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>>112980294
Anno's third cousin twice removed.
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>>112980380
>>112980399
>Frustra fit per plura quod potest fieri per pauciora
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>>112980433
Trust me, my uncle works for Khara.
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>>112980433
I think we broke him
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>all these LAS fags

I thought you guys would hide in evageeks
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>>112976176
Fetishes.
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>>112980445
My otosan is Anno himself.
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>>112980294
It's fanwank.
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>>112980469
Technically it is a LAS ending as they get over their hedgehog dilemma and are the focus of the final scene. Don't worry though, I'm sure Asuka will spare Shinji's boypussy for a future iteration of Kaworu to fuck his asshole.
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>>112980073
I feel it's a bit scatterbrained because I kept running out of space. But basically I love the series for having all those connections of it's major themes to the characters and even plot elements like instrumentality/AT fields/Tumbling Down and making it feel like a whole, despite all the circumstances surrounding the production. It's almost like it's a miracle it managed to come out in mostly one piece at all.

>>112980219
That's a good way to look at it, basically everything in the universe happens because of their psychological problems. I wonder how you'd describe Utena?
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>>112980490
Can you mail me a strand of hair from his pube beard?
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>>112980351

But it specifically says gainax only did the illustrations. If it was the text too it would definitely say that, to advertise itself better.
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>>112977199
>Azuca

Goddammit i am mad
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>>112980533
I'd need to see Utena (been putting that shit off for years), but one answer I've seen is:
"Michel Foucault writes a yuri series" (what with the power dynamic between student council members and all.
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>>112980580
You stupid, what the reson to make illustration and not text?
It's not freakin' Robotech, Voltron or StarBlazers, it's EVA.
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>>112976176
She a noisy bitch
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>>112980565
Seriously, why doesn't Anno just shave that thing off? He's a billionaire for fucks sake, it's not like you need a personal barber or anything.
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>>112980533
>Tumbling Down
Can't. Stop. Listening. To. It.
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>>112980688
It's iconic
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>>112980662
Eva's been merched out to oblivion and beyond, if there's an object it probably has an official Evangelion version (which would make everything slightly meta if there was an Eva-themed therapy book).

There's something about the series blatantly whoring itself out for cash that's oddly fitting, however.
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>>112980688
Because then he'll look like any other chink
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>>112980729
Anno was depressed, not stupid. He's not going to walk away from a billion dollars.
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>>112980637
All I know about Utena is that dumb shit about cars being a metaphor for lesbian sex.
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>>112980527
But it's not a shipping ending nor does it contain any romance at all. Asuka happens to be there because she has the same problems as Shinji, yet doesn't deal with them the same way.
She had the will to live and happened to be there. If Rei wanted to live she'd be there too. That Asuka and Shinji would end together romantically has never been implied. It's the same ending as episodes 25 and 26.
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>>112980527
Truly Shinji's anus spans the dimensions of the universe.
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>>112980761
>cars being a metaphor for lesbian sex.
Picked up.
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>>112980729
>This level of denial
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>>112980825
It's insanely dumb.
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>>112980827
They have Eva buckets for christ's sake. Fucking buckets.
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>>112980859
And official Shick razors.
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>>112980895
>Keep your cheeks as bare as your social life!
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>>112980858
I'm still going to watch it.
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>>112980637

I was going to say "the universe becomes a wacky Dezaki theater production"

>>112980761

Cars are a metaphor for adulthood. The school represents a closed space of youth and immaturity. Etc etc
I recommend any Eva fan to watch utena. I mean really now, what faggot hasn't watched it already?
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>>112976579
>>112976567
>>112976514
>>112976834
Wait, people actually believe that shit?
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>>112980915
Dohohoh
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>>112980950
I've watched it but I don't understand it.
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>>112980951
What do you believe?
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>>112980986

You're pretty stupid, then. You just have to think hard about all the visual cues and metaphors.
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>>112976176
Asuka is a slut.
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>>112981030
She doesn't even get laid when she tries to.
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>>112981026
I think the problem with Utena is that all the metaphors are just dumb.
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>>112980950
dis faggot, but this thread convinced me to see it.

Of course, nyaa had to be DDoS'd right now.

I'm also told that Serial Experiments Lain tackles some of the same themes.
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>>112981026
I'm not stupid I just don't understand it
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>>112981067
No you're stupid.
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>>112980858
I just watched a forehead sprout a vagina. I think I can handle a bad car metaphor.
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Shinji choked her to represent the universal pain of communication.

Asuka caressed him to represent the solution to the hedgehog's dilemma.
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>>112981047
Should have tried with someone who isn't an asexual underage boy.
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>>112981082
No I am not. You're just a fag who doesn't know me.
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>>112981146
You're on /a/ talking with me. That tells me enough.
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>>112981137
>asexual

He wanted her body, her love and her friendship but didn't want to give anything in return. That's the problem.
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>>112981162
I'm bored.
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>>112981224
What are you wearing right now, anon?
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>>112981137
>>112981186

Shinji's about as aesexual as any nervous, anxious, overly self-aware, and psychologically troubled 14-year old with an Oedipus Complex.
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>>112981251
Don't forget about all the PTSD.
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>>112981246
Shirt and panties
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>>112981058

You haven't even seen SEL? These are standard titles man.
And bakabt is still up
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>>112981302
You're a dirty little slut aren't you? Rewatch Utena, it's not hard to get.
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>>112981306
It's what comes of being a Jojo-fag and /co/mrade.

There's too much shit to do, anon, and I want to do all of it.
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>>112981058
nyaa is up as of right this second
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>>112981334
Sure, Master.
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>>112981186

They were both doing the same thing to each other. So she threw her body around because it's the only thing she knew how to do. She never really opened up to him about who she really is, because she hates herself. Although I think she later started to try to open up more out of loneliness, with that stepmom confession.
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>>112981351
fuck yeah
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>>112981348
>admitting you're not form /a/ and doesn't know shit

Lurk more and watch more anime faggot
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>>112981389
She's better off with Mari.
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Same reason as before.
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>>112976853
>Staff strangling eachother

What the fuck Japan?

Gainax is starting to sound like NERV. Was Anno also fucking all of his female staff?
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>>112981497
Ritsuko for sure.
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>>112976394
Lots of people sat it's cuz Shinji masturbated to her, but how does she know that?
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>>112981563
Instrumentality.
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>>112981646
I bet you haven't even watched 50 anime.
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>>112981659
Nope, I bet you haven't read more than 10 books.

/a/ is the best board because it's hte most hostile, again, just like Eva

Actually, I think 4chan in general bears out Anno's point that otaku-minded people grasp at straws to be seen as elite and just end up being dicks.
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>>112976176
It's just one gigantic metaphor for how human interaction is painful but is worthwhile compared to a fantasy where everyone gets along.
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>>112976853
>A stranger

This is where they fucked up.

Shinji isn't a stranger to Asuka, and sure as shit wouldn't be if she had instrumentality knowledge of him.
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>>112981646
>shit meme

Fuck off you fucking cancer.

>>112981704
>using spoiler tags incorrectly.

Anno never said anything about that.
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>>112981704
/a/ is actually made up of tsundere little girls. It explains a lot if you think of it that way.
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>>112981712
I thin that was the point anon, that despite knowing each other Shinji and Asuka and having literally broken down the barriers between humanity, they ultimately treated each other like objects and strangers.
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>>112981755
I don't think that's what would really happen though.

It's not like Shinji and Asuka didn't have feelings they wanted to convey to eachother in the past.
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>>112981796
I'm sure, but they were too afraid of each other to do anything about it back then.
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>>112981796
It might be true for Asuka but Shinji doesn't have feelings for her.
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>>112981815
Which means they could have in the instrumentality.

Or rather they did, without any real effort or choice in the matter.
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>>112976255
I came to this thread to post this exact line. Thank you.
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>>112981849
They didn't have a choice in instrumentality. It's what happens after they pop back out is what matters, and for a brief moment they did.
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>>112981848
The TV series says otherwise.

They got along really well before shit started spiraling out of control.
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>>112981911
Not to mention Asuka's death was the final tipping point for Shinji to break down and rescind control to instrumentality.
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>>112980789
>shinji's anus
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>>112981849
They didn't have a choice. Everyone becomes one in instrumentality.
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>>112981911
I wouldn't say really well, and it's never been confirmed Shinji felt anything more for her than friendship. Of course he wants to bang her and he wants to bang Rei too, but he doesn't have any plans to start a relationship with her.
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>>112976176
To make sure she's real
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>>112982048
Does anyone have the DO IT FAGGOT from this image?
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>>112981911
>They got along really well before shit started spiraling out of control.

Not really. That whole "the character's are slowly starting to get along! happy house family!" part of the show was all a sham because they were still only interacting based on their flaws (Shinji needing Gendo's love and piloting the eva, Asuka throwing her sexuality around and still blowing her own horn, etc) and still didn't really know anything about each other, Misato too.
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Why do they start pushing this "you only pilot for yourself" shit at the end of the series?

I'm pretty sure when Shinji came back the second time, it was because literally everything began to fall apart the moment he left. Rei got fucked, Asuka got fucked, the dummy plug wouldn't work, and humanity was about to end because Gendo is too incompetent to understand the importance of workforce morale.

The only choices Shinji had was to pilot EVA again or sit back and watch the whole world end. Technically you could accuse him for being selfish either way, but come on.
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>>112982142
Is it time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ
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>>112982158
>Technically you could accuse him for being selfish either way, but come on.
That's pretty much it. You also have to remember that Shinji doesn't actually care that much about the rest of the world as an end in itself.
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He thought she was his hallucination since he had spent quite a while alone before Asuka came back.
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>>112982250
I don't think he got into the cockpit thinking "maybe if I save their asses this time Dad will finally praise me" though.

It's about as redundant as saying all humans are selfish because they are incapable of acting without the will to do so.
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>>112982283
>I don't think he got into the cockpit thinking "maybe if I save their asses this time Dad will finally praise me" though.
Actually, kind of. I think it was at least as big a motivation as not wanting everything to die, because Shinji himself kind of wanted to die.

Anno was just trying to create a character that didn't want to save the world just because it was the right thing to do. That's why he pushed it.
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>>112982283
That's exactly what he was thinking until maybe that last time. Shinji only piloted it because of the praise he got.
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>>112982283
> "maybe if I save their asses this time Dad will finally praise me"

But that is what he thought, mostly. It became his central identity. And not all humans, just people like Shinji. Look at Asuka for another example of someone who becomes dependent on praise of others.
It's just a metaphor for when people get complacent and begin to stagnate in a certain life situation due to fear of change and a desire to fit in with what others want, in hope you might get loved.
Also remember that Eva = Moms, and Anno was critical of young people being dependent on overprotective mothers, which also creates that same lazy stagnant situation.
Another interpretation I have is that "being an eva pilot" was a metaphor for Anno's job, and his crisis that might've followed after leaving the Nadia project when the filler episode projects got ordered. But that's just my speculation.
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Is Adeptus Evangelion fun to play? I played Dark Heresy a couple times.
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>>112982768
The symbolism here is that to Shinji, love is like strangulation.

When he kissed Asuka, he wasn't allowed to breathe, and nearly suffocated trying to continue kissing her.

From that point onward he created an association between the two, and in trying to convey his confused feelings to Asuka, strangles her instead, trying to return the kiss she originally gave him.
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>>112982928
2deep4me
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>>112982928
I'm pretty sure it was because he got mad when, even in his subconscious, his version of Asuka called him out for being emotionally selfish.
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>>112983011
It makes sense though, that someone with horrible anxiety issues like Shinji would feel choked by romantic emotions.
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>>112982928
>Asuka/Shinji
>love

Pick one.
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>>112983328
It never worked that way with Rei and Kaworu.
Only with Asuka.
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>>112983328
It would draw up an interesting parallel back when Asuka kissed him in episode 15, but it's far more likely that Shinji was enraged after being rejected rather than trying to return a kiss in his mind.
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>>112983328
>>112976176

I don't think it's anything like that. I think he chokes her both times because he doesn't want to hear her say the word "No". It's about silencing them.

Asuka kissing him was still an immature misguided thing for her to do, though, but she was desperate, so she showed off her 'adult love tricks' to a scared virgin. She then basically got rejected by both Shinji (who "wouldn't even hold her") and Kaji too. And even by her caretaker Misato who stole him from her. Basically, it was disaster all around.
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>>112983640
Yeah, the parallel works on a symbolic level but not as a motivation. It's an interesting way to frame the strangulation motif too
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>>112981251
Why do they call it an Oedipus Complex when Oedipus never banged his mother intentionally?

He was horrified when he found out who she was.
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>>112983938
Freud said that the supposed desire to bang your mother is unconscious
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>>112983770

Symbolically yeah. I mean they go out of their way to get the same clothes and room, it's an obvious allusion.

As for motivation, I think I can stretch some connections. Asuka kissed Shinji because she knew Kaji had rejected her for Misato while she sat there with Shinji in the flat, so she wanted some "intimacy" to feel wanted and loved again. Her whole mature act was an expression of her not wanting to be a doll who relies on others, which she has because of her self-doubt and distrust of others (thanks mom), and dependence on praise. So she suffocates him for more or less the same reasons he does, insecurity.
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>>112980101
Control of instrumentality.

Rei ultimately deferred it to Shinji, who decided that he'd rather live as an individual.

Now everyone else can leave too, if they want.

If SEELE had had the control, no one would leave.

If Gendo did, he wouldn't really give a fuck as long as he was with Yui.
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>>112984271
And what about the angels?

No Instrumentality, just human extinction?
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>>112976176
Who wouldn't?
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>>112984625
Basically.
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>>112984062
Freud said a lot of things, it's only in America where his shit is still taken seriously.
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>>112983938
Yeah, they should call it the Mad Roman Emperor Condition or M-REC.

But now that you mention it, wasn't Shinji also horrified when he found out the nature of Evas?
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>>112976176
To kill her.
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>>112984874
But she already died. And got better.
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>>112984093
At their core, Shinji and Asuka suffered from the same problem, they just went about it in different ways. Asuka using aggression (pinching Shinji's nose shut) and Shinji being generally avoidant. So yes, you could say that they were suffocating each other out of their insecurities.

However, this is where I would point out a discrepancy in your parallelism. When Asuka kissed Shinji, it was another extension of her usual aggressive cover up for her insecurity. When Shinji chokes Asuka, it was not done out of insecurity, it was done because he was forced to realize the harsh truth that he was being selfish. That he had as much share in the blame, and he didn't like that one bit. So he breaks out of his passive routine and attacks her, in an effort to force the truth away.
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>>112985208
I CAN'T CONTROL IT, DARK ASUKA RISES!
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>>112976176
My post is one compound sentence, but the explanation lies within pic related.
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>>112986134
Damn, I'd been thinking about it the wrong way. I didn't see the hope before.
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>>112986134
Saved.

I like this better than the eva4idiots infographic
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>>112986277
The infographic actually has some errors.
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>>112986134
nah this one works better
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>>112986327
>implying
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>>112986309
Like what?
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/r/ing the pic where a fat neckbeard just closes his curtains when he sees giant naked rei outside his window. i seem to have lost it
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>>112986134
holy shit
I'm saving this
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>>112986464
It's a troll. The description of instrumentality being a personal matrix isn't correct, but everything else is fine.
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>>112981497
>fucking all of his female staff
>not jacking off to their sleeping bodies
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>>112986659
there you go m80, sorry if this somehow isn't the right one
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>>112986821
that's the one, thank you kindly!
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>tfw no more blue Unit 00
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>>112986659
>that pic
It's not.
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>>112976176
Because that"s a reference to Aldnoah
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>>112987264
...
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>>112986821
>>112986920
Here's a better one.
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>>112986926
Schizophrenia is a serious illness.
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>>112982250
Which is bullshit, by that same logic we can annotate everything as selfish. Everything.

Look up Game Theory if you don't believe me.

This part is a retarded part about Evangelion.
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>>112987312
thanks buddy
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>>112976176
Erotic Asphyxiation
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>>112987345
The way you address xir headmates is very ableist and problemtaic.
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>>112987157
Anno should rot and die for what he's done with Rei.
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This show might make 0 sense or might be 2deep4me but at least it looked good
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>Let's go to Evageeks
>I bet they have a lot interesting information!
Never again
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>>112988721
Jesus Christ, the autism runs strong
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>>112988721
EVA is pretty dead.
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>>112976176
Nobody cared who I was until I choked the Asuka.
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So, I now finally get what the show's about.

What a shit show.
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>>112977651
Imagine how much better everything would have been if Gendo and Fuyutsuki had just piloted the Evas themselves.
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>>112987157
I like her style.
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>>112989660
better? how? for whom?
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>>112977865
Well, Miyamura sunk the LAS ship long ago.

Aaaand seeing as how Shinji just got confirmed as a gay slut wth daddy issues who craves Kaji, wouldn't blame them if they need something to cling to.
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This shit again
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>>112976176
He's turned on.
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>>112990536
You even remembered to put her neck in the center of the image. Sasuga.
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>>112990536
We can still have more canon cockslut Shinji right?

Lusts after men like Kaji cause his immature heart craves the affection of older men.
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>>112990783
>Kaji shin confirmed for canon
>Shin-chan confirmed for Asuka's romantic rival
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I want to choke asuka while she caresses me if you catch my drift
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>>112990864
I want Asuka to choke me while I caress myself if you catch my drift
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>Spares Asuka
>Does not spare Kaworu
What's this tell you about who Shinji loves more?
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>>112991377
Angels not welcome, nerd.
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>>112991377
Are you serious? He requested it you know. Shinji only went through it because he thought 'angels are bad' and then realized he was wrong. But I guess 'he deserved to live' and 'I loved him' flew right above your head somehow
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>>112990369
Ogata sunk the Kawoshin ship.

They're just friends.
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>>112976176
He's gone fucking crazy.
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>>112976176
?????
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>>112977865
Kaworu = Dead forgotten faggot.
Asuka = there, alive.

Ogata on Kaworu and Shinji's relationship: "They are just friends."
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>>112976200
/Thread
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>>112991842
I guess you'd feel like strangling the next person you saw if you had the day that Shinji just had.
The hot tsundere bitch he'd been having issues with constantly suddenly deciding to show him some compassion and maybe even affection just made him break down
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Frustration after spending most of the series getting blueballed by Asuka and being too beta to do anything.
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>>112976176
Because he had to choke a bitch.
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>>112979836
the worst kind of person is a abnormalfag who wants to be a normalfag. Hate anno now. fuck him and his show.
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To create drama and hype so people will buy their figures and shit.
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>>112992315
The one frustrated by this was Asuka, not Shinji
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>>112977788
>3th
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>>112977788
>asuka longing for meat
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>>112993075
Being a man who does nothing but watch anime and barely has any social connections is not exactly a person anyone should be proud of being.
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>>112976176
because he loves her and she wanted to see if she was real
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>>112981563
Merged consciousnesses, merged memories
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