Is this what passes for a good MC these days? An emotionless drone who happens to be able to figure everything out while others wallow in their own stupidity?
>An emotionless drone
Being neutral is inherently better than being an insufferable crybaby.
>who happens to be able to figure everything out
Every MC does that. That's like a requirement for being a MC, you have to be useful and relevant. Why focus on you if you didn't do anything special like kicking the bad guy's ass when everyone else fails at it?
It's a nice change from the complete opposite. But anyway it's obvious he does have emotions, but with the way his mind works and how his personality is I guess they're kept to himself or else displayed lightly. Apparently this is what /a/ calls autism so lets just go with that. I like my autistic MC.
>Apparently this is what /a/ calls autism so lets just go with that
Nope. Autism here means a fag who's unreasonably fixated on having things his own way. Inaho on the other hand does seem genuinely autistic.
Inaho and his classmates were raised fight this war from the day they were born. He's just a calm, efficient, spacenoid removing machine, doing one of the two things he's knows how to do, the other being cook eggs.
>Also it's a refreshing change of pace from most whiny protags that we get.
I've been reading this way too much these times. It's been people start realizing it's not a new thing anymore and stop using this shitty argument.
Good? No, but he is something different than what we usually get.
People are tired of whiny faggots, lecturing moralfags, and those who keep screaming about "tomodachi" as if his enemies would care.
This MC is different thus refreshing.
More than just mech piloting, they've had training on general preparedness to fight the Martians. It's why Inko could be entrusted with the civilian evacuation and Nina is allowed to pilot the ship. It's why they're so calm under fire and the adults don't bat an eye when they jump into action. They're not just a bunch of random kids playing hero, this is what they have been raised to do and it's all they've ever know. Remove Martian. Remove Martian.
Competent protags are rare in anime. Writers don't know how to do any sort of character growth aside from "protag struggles to tie his shoes grows into ace pilot." They're probably too afraid people wouldn't be able to self-insert if the MC wasn't worthless at first.
Yeah, you're right, I chose my words badly, I didn't mean new. It's not a rare thing anymore. I've seen more shows with ballsy and determined MCs than pussies recently, and I'm obviously only talking about seasonal shows.
From what I remember, most of the soldiers were fairly calm until they were met with imminent death.
I'm sure there will be a scene where one of the kids breaks down and starts sweating profusely while their eyes shake about. Don't worry anon.
But they are actual soldiers. That's what I keep saying. They're an entire generation that knows only the Martian threat and have been brought up to remove it. The only person we've seen so far with any real experience fighting the Martians in Marito.
The other soldiers are dead because they got thrown to the wolves against unknown enemies. Inaho had an entire day to hatch a plan for use against bowlcut, and lightsaber wasn't already on top of him before he could blink.
Marito said they treat it like a game, but I have to interpret that as being because it's so natural for them, not that they don't take it seriously. It's second nature. It's normal. It's what they've been brought up doing. It's just how things are in the world that they live in. Their society has been heavily geared toward their next war, and they are the product of that.
I want to play with nee-san's nee-sans.
I can't help but love Inaho. Yes, I find him to be a great protagonist so far.
He has a combination of being amusing while also being interesting, that I dare say I enjoy.
As it turns out, I like Inaho for pretty much the same reasons I like Kuudere type girls. His calm demeanour in any type of situation is right down my alley. It's as though they just genderflipped a Kuudere FeMC without losing any of the charm. It's interesting for me to realize that I apparently like similar qualities in both men and women. If he was girl, he could've been a waifu contender, in fact.
Which also had a superior emotionless character
From fag to the most interesting man alive.
From psychopath to decent guy to vegetable
While it perhaps doesn't excuse the extent of how most of the military has been shown to act.
Just to be fair, the backstory to the show is that Earth covered up the events from 15 years ago, while lying to everyone making them think that they are prepared and have a chance even though nothing could be further from the truth.
So aside from the towers they dropped, most people on Earth don't even believe Marito when he speaks of the super mechs the Martians have.
It's better than having a beta male lead. Seriously, fuck Gundam, Valvrave and Guilty Crown for ruining that for me. Accel World, too.
Some leads just shit up the screen every time they're on it. I'll take a thousand Inahos/Kiritos/Tatsuyas any day, no joke.
AGE's third protagonist, Kio, is possibly the worst shitstain on the series.
Banagher isn't quite as bad, but he gradually loses more and more brain cells after Episode 3. Episode 4 has him crying a lot over a brown terrorist girl.
I mean, he defeats the final villain by chest-massaging him to death. I miss the old days when the final battle was just a knock-down, drag-out fight.
Reco-G will have a coked out protagonist.
I don't really have high hopes for that one, to be honest. It seems a bit too wacky for me.
I like mecha shows which focus on the 'war' aspect of things. Japan usually doesn't really do war stories, so to speak, but it's what I enjoy.
Actually, the first episode has him defecting to the side he's technically been fighting against.
Because the female pilot of the Gundam (Who's a space pirate) is fucking hot, that's why.
Probably more dumb luck than anything.
Besides, the only reason I'll be watching is for the onesan love. Also the cannibalism.
He's supposes to be an ace pilot.
>A cadet in the Capital Guard Academy, created to advance the protection of the Capital Tower. His prodigious talents carry him upward in the ranks quickly, earning a double promotion.
yeah I give you that but it could be worse ignore that fact and you got a solid stand alone mecha anime I would have really dropped if they literally gave MC or Slain a MAH SUPER OP Mecha by episode 3 or 4 hopefully they don't do this and I still wonder why Gen or Aoki didn't went with production I.G instead
I guess they should have just given MC a super-allpowerfull mech which can move at the speed of light (of course hes the only one capable of piloting it and removing the martian threat) to make him a good protagonist.
But he should also have strong pacifistic convictions and be visibly tormented whenever he's sent out to kill (which he then ironically proceeds to do better and more efficient than any other person alive)
How about a solider who isn't a junior high schooler and trained for years. There's a guy like that in Aldnoah itself, but the only one who can get shit done is a child. It's ridiculous.
>An emotionless drone
I bet you thought Rei was an emotionless drone too, you stupid faggot.
>being buttmad about high schoolers saving the day in anime
No. I want scrambled eggs.
>smarter and more resourceful than every adult involved then yeah.
He has his strengths over most of the cast for sure. But at the same time he falls completely flat in other areas where others have him beat anyday.
Such is the life of our autistic hero.
Couldn't it be a radish?
But even if it's a tomato, it would be one of those cherry tomatoes. They taste very differently from regular tomatoes.
But regular tomato works perfectly fine with eggs.
He isn't emotionless. You'll see, one of those dirty martians will stomp on his newly cooked omelets and then the rage that will come from him will surpass even the gutts watching caska getting raped scene.
You gotta understand that he's basically Lelouch. He's a military genius and won't easily lose his cool. He's like the Napoleon or Alexander of Aldnoah.Zero
That wouldn't be so bad but Inaho also has genius-tier mech skills. At least Lelouch acted more like a general and rarely ever got into combat because he knew he sucked at it.
You can either be good at strategy or good at combat. If you get both people will call you gary.
wud u a princess servant loli?
What Inaho has done so far in the anime is enough to make most girls wet. What has Slaine done? Get his ass kicked like three times and murder a man in cold blood. Bravo Slaine.
Yet, she shows zero interest in him. Even the character designer knows.
>the princess bedchambers has the Earth view too
Oh. So why did she have to bother Slaine so late at night and lost the track of time with a view she can enjoy in her room?
I don't care about that, I'm not so attached to them. But you are seriously stretching to say you know sit about where the story will go from a fucking lyric. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously? This is some tumblr level reasoning.
The song features Slaine and Inaho teaming up against a castle. The princess will die. If you even watch Gen shows, you know her type ALWAYS DIES and is always to bring manpain.
If you look for romance, Rayet and Inko are more feasible.
Yeah because she's not blushing and holding Slaine's memento in the manga cover either. Or features in Slaine's room in the OST cover. Look, I don't want to break your delusion, but so far the official art has pushed her to Slaine's direction in a extremely unsubtle way.
The only way she's not ending up with him is because: 1) she'll die. 2) he'll die. 3) they are siblings. All very likely. Inaho's not a factor.
>Couldn't it be a radish?
Don't you even know what a radish looks like? Even the leaves are wrong.
But putting a tomato on top of scrambled eggs is stupid because A) the tomato will warm up B) the tomato gets dirty which is generally unappealing C) being a hard round object on top of a soft semi-liquid mass it's harder to pick up: if you try to stab it with your fork it will sink into the eggs, if you try to lift it with your fork it will probably roll off your plate, and you can't cut it without moving it somewhere else.
There are better ways to decorate a plate than this nonsense.
He wrote the story. They are changing it as they like, but in case of Asshime's character, she is unchanged and she's described as token peace princess with some quirks (only in a more elaborated way because they are trying to sell her quickly). She's as good as dead. The only thing that can save her is the upset shipperfag fanbase of Slainefags. Because the waiufags are more into Neesan and Inko.
>4 episodes in
>don't even know if Inaho's past will come up on why he is the way he is
>comparing a character from a show that's already finished to one that's 4 episodes in.
Setsuna's past was clear since the first episode. Inaho is just shitty. L-Elf, who was from a shit show, had the stoic genius thing but he actually show more emotional range which made him engaging.
Inaho is pretty insipid and dull. Just admit he's awful and can't carry the show.
Very few gundam protags are beta males. You can argue that some are whiny, but the only ones that are beta males are: Kou, Asemu (for the first half of his arc), Shinn, and Banana
I don't think you know what beta male is. For starters, if Kio is anything, he's a fucking Gary Stu.
Alexander was actually fighting on the front lines.
Napoleon hid and commanded from the backlines, but Alexander fought deep inside the melee. It got him almost killed in a campaign in Persia iirc.
>Every MC does that. That's like a requirement for being a MC, you have to be useful and relevant.
The show is 24 episodes long. We haven't even had an episode dealing with his backstory (assuming we'll have one) and you're already judging the characters backstory.
Usually doesn't mean always, so it doesn't make sense to start complaining about it when we're not even at a point in the show where we can start assuming things in the larger context of the show.
Kio wasn't whiny, he was just a moralfag. 2 different things. Hell, the only reason people started hating Kio was because of the second half of his arc when he started to become an overpowered moralfag, which is as bad as being whiny, but it's not the same thing.
He cowers and whines. Refuses to try to understand others. Stuff a kid would do.
I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. It's certainly human. I don't think he can really be classified in the alpha/beta dichotomy, tbh, but I think the dichotomy itself is a load of baloney.
Also, I'm not arguing whether or not Inaho is a good protagonist or not, just that you're judging a character [on whether or not his backstory will play a part with why he act the way he does] that's 4 episodes into what will be a 24 episode show.
HAve you ever met an any one with actual Autism? this kids a poster child for Assburgers bordering on psychopathic with his complete lack of emotion, Same thing with Nagate from Sidonia
>WAAA WAAAA GARY STU GARY STU WAAAA
Everyone in this thread.
He doesn't succeed all the time (see Bardiel/Toji and Armisael/Rei II's death), but that's not really the point here.
He's just doing what he's told for the majority of the anime, not out of a sense of heroism or anything. He struggles with his reason for why he pilots the Eva at all. It's more human than the trite hero complex bullshit, where they magically summon the courage to do anything.
Also, they don't "hate" him for how he saves them. They're just frustrated with how he acts like a child.
He's a cautionary "everyone has to relate to him by default" blank slate and there's no two ways around it. Unless he genuinely has autism, which I highly doubt this show would push those boundaries, then it's just shitty writing, period.
It's probably haremshit-eaters who are defending him too.
Setsuna was stoic, not emotionless. You clearly see him lose his cool several times in both seasons of 00.
>Ali trying to take the Exia from him
>Graham touching the Exia with his Flag to get evidence on it
This is still the MC we're talking about. Using 00 as a convenient example again the anime opens with his past as a child soldier completely disillusioned with his idea of god. Cue 0 Gundam showing up as a literal deus ex machina and in the first 5 minutes it creates the foundation for his character that rest of the series follows.
That's not to say Setsuna is well written or Inaho isn't, but I think it's completely understandable that people aren't thrilled about being left in the dark. Especially when the MC has the kind of personality that needs context to be believable.
He's a perfect self-insert for all the people who see themselves as a cool stoic tactical genius. Which is a lot of people consisting how many posts I've seen where people say that they themselves would be calm and collected as fuck no matter the situation.
>can't carry the show
His scenes are literally the biggest reason why I'm here.
>aimed at fujoshi
>fujoshi like shitty drama of two guys fighting over a girl princess
And then there's this guy.
Kudos to whoever predicted this series would go to shit the exact episode Urubochi stopped writing it. Going to be really fun having no actual development at all for at least until this season's finale, instead having shitty love triangle bullshit. It literally turned into Gundam Seed.
If anything that makes him less of a stu.
>large ham/inspiring leader
>also got a superpower
>has some science books memorized
So if anything inaho is much less of an overpowered character and his abilities are far more situational.
> original mc with disorder that makes him not display emotions like normal people
> competent but not ubergod-level like Tatsuya or Sora
> people will complain about any mc because that's what people do
Can't imagine Gen wasn't involved at all in the overall plot writing, so he should most likely be blamed just as much. It's like episode 4 took away exactly everything about episode 3 that made it stand out from the pack and tried to make it as generic as possible.
What disorder? We see him living like an average high school student with his sister and having friends. He's not some child soldier who was trained since crib to murder people in cold blood.
He's just a boring Gary Stu.
>is for girls
>The princess is popular among girls in Japan, not among the guys
Pay attention you ignorant buffoon, I'm only going to explain this once. First, if a love triangle with the object of affection is a girl and you want to claim it's aimed at girls, it's called otome and not fujoshi. Fujoshi only like gay shit, otome are the ones who like to self-insert in het romance. So if you say this show is fujoshit all you're saying is that people only watch it for Slaine being fucked by faceless men or Inaho. Second, hime is most popular with the guys who want to fuck her. Just because girls in pixiv draw Slaine with her and there's not pictures with hime sucking socks yet it doesn't mean guys hate her.
Not him, but I like him because he just solves problems with some basic engineering. Sure, he got plot armor on his side, but so do most MCs.
He's pretty much my chuuni self-image. Stroll in, casually look at problem, solve it with ease, save the day
providing rough outlines of what should happen for the sake of the main plot and fleshing out individual episodes is a big difference. The copy-pasting episode 3 onto episode 4 thing and yet being worse is exactly what makes the difference.
I don't get why they don't have gen write all of it.
That's just your opinion though, I think he's pretty interesting.
Much better then having a MC who seeks revenge and yells a lot.
>blank self insert
Maybe if you have autism.
The Hime isn't the most popular with the guys. That guy is full of shit about being a fujoshi show, but he's right about the guys favoring characters like the big sister and Inko over her. Love triangle involving the two male protagonists isn't something the male audience wants at all.
You kidding? Women love Hime. She's perfect for self insert. Like Lieselotte. She has no character at all other than generic quirky princess who wants peace/coexistence.
Lieselotte at least had an offputting TWEEST.
>stoic guy she can melt and who does not do things for anyone else
>faithful emotional follower who would die for her
They are perfect for them.
Guys who watch mecha don't want love triangles involving the protagonists. That's why they always have an assigned different love interest. It's not something they like.
eruefu also had hax-tier CQC skills and prediction abilities that bordered on clairvoyance and his planning could get them out of impossible situations.
Inaho is more limited than that. He has top-notch deductive skills, but he needs luck on his side and people to assit him left and right
L-Elf had a personality since the first episode. He was also a military special agent, with a military rank, member of a special unit. Not a fucking highschool student who was overlooked and suddenly we find out he's a genius better than the army.
Before he pulled the army killing shit, the army of ARUS told he did this crap. Inaho on the other hand didn't get this foreshadowing. Out of nowhere, he starts doing these tricks.
>They'd prefer someone like Inko.
We're talking about Japanese females, not about western landwhales who want girl power. Inko has a popular seiyuu who guys love. Hime doesn't.
They love girls who are fawn at for no reason and princesses.
Because they were shithead dumb terrans that thought they were fighting against a mecha that can't rape a group of them. And they're also using outdated mechs.
Meanwhile, our MC is a goddamn person like Ender (Ender's Game) without the emotional backlash. He's superior because he's using a new mech and he takes everything with an analytical mind.
capcha: versnas and
>Women love Hime
What's your source, Pixiv or some English forum? And never mind the fact you're actually comparing her with Lieselotte when there's no possible comparison. She was paired with L-elf which had an out-of-control popularity and made everyone he had screentime with look popular. As a bottom line, the girls' favorite for Valvrave was actually Saki. Fanart numbers are misleading.
>idiots still think people call him a shitty MC because he's smart
He's a shitty MC because there's barely any personality and that in an effort to make the MC look smart, everyone else is made to look more retarded.
Because the people saying he's autistic are normalfags and in normalfag land if you're not going around fucking girls, drinking beer, making an ass out of yourself, and slap male sports players on their butts in the locker room then you're not normal.
> had an out-of-control popularity
Just because he ranked one time on Otomedia and Newtype it doesn't mean he was popular at all. Which he clearly wasn't because he has no particular merch related to him and the whole franchise now is as dead as corpse.
>Tatsuya from Mahouka he doesn't show much emotions and smart as fuck, and he is a great MC.
You do realize we're talking about people who actually watched the show and not the entire Japanese population, right?
Because Saki wasn't L-elf's love interest and girls weren't interested in Haruto/Saki, genius. If you actually bothered to check Japanese boards, polls and social networks instead of reading Otomedia you'd see that girls liked to see L-elf and Lieselotte together but their favorite female was Saki.
This is the worst thread I've seen in a while. Sasuga, shitposters.
MCs these days are expected to be slightly bland characters with no real outstanding traits outside of generic ones like "Slightly smart but lazy" or "Athletic but lazy" or the worst "Popular for no reason" in order to make them easier for self-inserts.
Oh man this is awesome, thank you very much.
Yes, I realize that and for an anime that managed to have such visibility as Valvrave, L-Elf wasn't that popular as you might think.
> but their favorite female was Saki.
And I should trust the word of some random anon on /a/ that says to know Japanese over the steady number of articles from girls magazines about another character.
>Great love for his sister
>takes out terrorists ring
>beats up chinks
>kicks the shit out of the blooms and slowly gets rid of the prejudiced at the school
>invents new items to help out his friends and school mates in the tournament and every day life
>all of it accomplished using logic, science, facts, and statistics
I guess I shouldn't have expected much from shounenfags who need their power levels and screaming the name of their attacks and being bumbling idiots like their Goku, Luffy, Ichigo, and Narutoes.
Yeah, Urobuchi protags are always such emotionless drones. They're always one-dimensional and NEVER do we ever see any revelations in respect to their backstory that open up the floodgates to a deeply involving and empathetic characterization.
Mah Nigga. I'm watching Aldnoah.Zero both for Kominato Ruuko and Hitoe.
The "what's your source" part was for Aldnoah by the way.
L-elf was the most popular among everyone who watched Valvrave with a very big gap when compared to other characters, so yes, he was as popular as I think.
By "steady number of articles from girls magazines about another character" you actually mean like, one or two that had a dedicated spread, right? Because everything else were the footnotes every now and then which were the regular amount for every anime that has some sort of love story. And yes, you should trust my word over how many articles you think that were printed in a magazine such as Otomedia.
And enough talking about Valvrave in this thread, if you want to discuss character popularity bring post your sources for "Hime is the favorite character among women"
Well I looked it up and Inhao can't be autistic. If anything a shounen MC would be the definition of autistic since they're prone to fits of rage, screaming, concentrate on one thing(Training arcs), oblivious to their surround and the people around them(people's feelings namely the females)
You're right anon. In a thread about a emotionally indifferent protagonist written by Gen Urobuchi, why would some bring up someone like Kerry or Homerun-chan? Obviously Iri or Sayaka would have MUCH more relevant.
Actually I went to pivix to try to see how many artists draw the princess:
Also the triangle shit is limited to the female art. Males have her calling off screen Slaine, posing naked or being yuribait with the maid.
Why don't the martians just hire other humans to fight task force autism instead?
Well yes, very few characters called autistic by /a/ actually have autism. The Pet Girl of Sakurasou or maybe L come to mind.
/a/ uses "autism" by cherrypicking aspects of high functioning autism or aspergers and matching that to any character that is emotionless, asocial, highly intelligent/analytical and/or introverted.
It has very little meaning these days
>that little handlebar on the mech's wrist
Man, the attention to details in this anime is simply amazing.
>/a/ uses "autism" by cherrypicking aspects of high functioning autism or aspergers and matching that to any character that is emotionless, asocial, highly intelligent/analytical and/or introverted.
I wish that was the case more often. I can dismiss that as colloquial hyperbole. Half the time, it's a replacement for "retarded".
That data can't be used to measure any sort of popularity though. As I said, men don't use Pixiv as much as women do these days and not everyone that watches a show draws and posts there.
That means it's common enough to transport humans on the hand of the mechs. Which is silly, because using hands only makes sense when you 1:1 map the pilot's hands to them. And if you do you risk squishing the humans with one thoughtless motion.
I see the shitposters are at it again. You should at least try changing your line of attack.
I dunno about you guys, but I much prefer to see the main character BECOME competent and go from bad to great at what he does. Atleast when it comes to a war drama.
I think in these kind of stories there should be some sort of sacrifice for being able to efficiently take down your enemies. Like how you'll have characters like Yazan who are excellent pilots that mow down everyone but at the cost of being an absolutely insane asshole.
When the character can do all of that from the get go while still being treated like some sort of hero it just feels forced.
Why is a Five Star Stories robot in this anime?
>who are excellent pilots that mow down everyone but at the cost of being an absolutely insane asshole.
And being competent in some fields while being oblivious in others, isn't good enough for you?
I believe it's established quite clearly that Inaho has his strengths and weaknesses.
His autism boner for the Princess made him pull a retarded plan to delay the second knight and it almost got him killed. He would've been dead if the Navy ship hadn't shown up and convinced the knight to retreat. His broken mech and Calm were not going to beat Vlad on their own.
Whoever that animator and his love for legs, I salute thee.
-dere implies they end up in love or are in love at first but don't show it/can't show it
No one from Eva is -dere at all
Any characters that are -dere are likely fucking shitty shallow characters that would be completely uninteresting without their "target" character
There was love in Eva. It was just buried under despair and trauma. But it would be stupid to deny that it wasn't even a thing.
Or at the very least there were people crushing on eachother, if you prefer that term over the term love.
In their own blogs, sites or twitter mostly. It's not a myth and I didn't say there were more females than males, just that females happen to be more active in that site. This only means they post more fanart and therefore influence count numbers. Sure, if you're talking about something targeted mainly at male audience you won't find that many art by females.
So far Slaine's thing is much more interesting than whatever Inaho is going to do.
It still provides a pretense of freedom and leaves room for change by mass public demand. Autocracies grow more corrupt and do so faster than Democracies. Rule by blood or tradition might work in the short term, but in the long term it hurts far more people. For all its flaws, Democracy is still the best form of government.
Until he ultimately finds himself in an early grave just so his selfish and power-abusing successor takes over, leaving you stuck as forced labor with no rights or power.
Right, my bad.
>People complain about whiny, useless Shinji
>Japs make complete opposite no emotions, competent pilot for MC
>People complain about new MC
You can't win this game.
Love doesn't mean they are kuudere, tsundere, yandere, or other types of -dere though. When you define a character by -dere you're basically saying "hey this character has zero organic personality traits and can only be defined by their shallow relationship with another character"
Basically my issue is that you used an NGE character, namely Rei, as a picture supporting the idea of Kuudere. Now while I may not find Rei personally enjoyable, she as a character is very interesting and doesn't actually fall into the kuudere category. None of the characters in NGE are -dere characters.
People like to say Asuka is tsundere but the fact is that she is a bitch to everyone pretty much. Shinji isn't a special case. Asuka can't be defined by her relationship with him, and that's what makes her a good character. Rei has similar interactions.
It's a common misconception to label loving cunts as tsundere, or quiet caring people as kuudere.
It's like, is Senj?gahara from the monogatari series kuudere, tsundere, or yandere? The answer is that she's none, because she's actually a well thought out and self-aware character that, while in a relationship with the main character, isn't defined by this relationship.
In essence, any character that can be labeled as a form of -dere is almost 100% of the time shit. Period.
>Until he ultimately finds himself in an early grave just so his selfish and power-abusing successor takes over, leaving you stuck as forced labor with no rights or power.
It's about as easy to overthrow a king, as it is to change a fucked up democracy for the better.
I was interested in Slaine's plot at first but I prefer watching Inaho's antics for now. I'm not a fan of changing-things-from-the-inside angle, I'd prefer if Slaine did something more reckless and impulsive like when he shot Bowlcut down.
The problem with this is that it assumes that the people making one complaint are the same ones making the next one. That logic is faulty.
Because /a/ has different people with different opinions, everything can and will be bitched at. Just take it in stride.
Viewers these days would rather skip those silly "emotion" parts and just get straight into people getting killed and action.
People just don't have patience these days. They need everything to be like their 2 hour action movies
I'm hoping that happens. I rarely enjoy male protagonists on their own, but when they have foils I really get into it.
Emotionless robot they said.
Gotta love all the people here calling this guy autistic like they never ever seen a distanced social remote person themselves if they aren't one.
But yeah you're right no matter what gets done someone will complain, no exceptions. Its as bad as rule 34.
>In essence, any character that can be labeled as a form of -dere is almost 100% of the time shit. Period.
This is because most anime creates a main characters and then builds out from there, sadly.
If you look at all the actually decent anime, you'll see that each character seems like a self-contained entity interacting with the world and other characters, rather than simply support for the MC
>she's tsundere because she's tsun to Shinji and then warms up
She's not tsun to everyone and only warms up to some people. She would only be tsundere if she warmed up too all characters after being a bitch to all characters. As it stands she isn't tsundere.
Now, some of her relationships with other characters may have tsundere qualities, but this does not label the character as a whole as tsundere.
Why does everybody have to bring meta into stories? Doesn't anyone into suspension of disbelief anymore?
It's always "pandering" this and "urobutcher" that and every anime ever is used to fuel some pessimistic view on the industry.
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You're not going to get someone involved in a world and its characters if they have an emotional wall up. Somehow that person is going to blame the story? Really?
It's like trying to force a five-year-old American girl to eat her broccoli. She already had her mind made up about the food before she ever tasted it. Doesn't mean that the broccoli objectively tastes bad (or that her tastes are objectively bad).
>She would only be tsundere if she warmed up too all characters after being a bitch to all characters. As it stands she isn't tsundere.
What? No. That's completely bullshit.
It's enough that she had that relationship with one character.
She was tsundere for Shinji. And depicted as a tsundere in the story.
>If you look at all the actually decent anime, you'll see that each character seems like a self-contained entity interacting with the world and other characters, rather than simply support for the MC
I think this really separates well written stories from the rest of the garbage that gets made. Then again, the authors don't always remember to uphold it.
He isn't trapped anywhere nor is he a prisoner, he flew his carrier to the Martian ship instead of somewhere else on Earth out of his own will. Changing things from the inside implies a fault in the system that he's trying to correct without going against it directly.
>His weakness doesn't seem to be affecting him in any negative way though.
The show did foreshadow his increasing recklessness though. Wouldn't be surprised to see his plan fail in the near future which will also cost the life of his teammate.
You do realize that all the -dere types are relative archetypes, right? They require a context by definition.
And yes. One relationship is fine. The relationship the character is involved in.
You don't need to fall in love and dere up with your entire social sphere in order to classify as one of the types.
Does that mean the princess is Estelle and Rayet is Rita?
Indeed my brother of African descent.
Just because you don't like the MC doesn't give you the right to shitpost a great show. Just think back to shows with shitty MCs
>Kill la Kill
>Gundam Build Fighter
all shitty MCs but whats important is /a/ gave those shows a chance
>are you fucking kidding me
No I am not. You can be one thing in one context and yet not be that one thing in another context, while people still generalizing and calling you that thing when describing you.
And this is commonly how these terms are used.
It's a little early to say that, isn't it?
But I actually enjoy Aldnoah Zero and try to stop shitposting when I see some, but it's just that I don't like this logic of "people don't like this archetype so they should like the opposite". Fuck archetypes. I only like good characters.
>>Gundam Build Fighter
Anon. Sei was a very lacking character, but the show made up for it by never directing too much of the focus on him in particular at any given moment. Sharing the limelight with Reiji and the rich cast around them.
And from that perspective, Sei really wasn't that bad.
He does what's necessary at the moment, even if it costs him the lives of his teammates, he knows that there is no other way. The usual MC takes much more time to reach this kind of resolve because emotions are at play, but it's easy for Inaho because emotions aren't part of his decision making tree.
>i like how he smiles briefly from time to time that most people don't catch because they aren't watching properly
So far he's a far more compelling protagonist than most recent mecha anime.
Just what in the world are you rambling about?
So you are saying that Yumiko for instance wasn't kuudere?
Anything he does works.
He gives fucks for nothing.
He walks about his life like he knows exactly whats going to happen and he doesn't give a shit regardless.
All he cares about is his goal and how you fit in it.
Defining characters by a single trait is likely a mistake to begin with. But that doesn't mean the traits does not apply.
Why are you going all absolute about it? The world is not in absolutes.
No wonder, that is the same fanbase of VVV, the post are literally the same, just change the name and the subject field of the thread.
Only thing different is that these threads have more autistic people defending every kind of shit and sucking A-1's cock and the shipping is way worse.
So many posts and no mention of Momoka Sonokawa yet. I am disappointed
He's competent and stoic and defending Earth.
His enemies on Mars dug up an ancient god and started worshiping alien technology.
It's basically an alternate universe where humanity woke up the Void Dragon on Mars and the Emperor had to reveal himself early to unify Earth, defeat Mars, and put the Void Dragon back in his bitch coma. Can't wait for him to turn Calm into a Primarch.
>the world is not in absolutes
bad writing is though, that's why it's bad
if it's a good character they shouldn't be able to be defined by one relationship.
It's like saying The Major from GitS is tsundere just because she was a bitch to the tachikomas before warming up (a little too late though, considering they all died. RIP in pieces)
But yeah, my point is only badly written characters can be generalized by relationships with other characters.
Good characters can have -dere relationships, but will never be defined by them
Bad characters are defined by their relationships, because they have nothing else
Depends. The only thing it'll change is your enthusiasm when seeing your favourite robot having a cameo in the show, but that's about it. You could also just watch it right now.
Inaho's calm attitude and execution doesn't both me, but I'd like to see more grimacing and frowning, even to just compliment the very subtle smiles he gives now and then. It doesn't have to be over the top or anything.
I don't feel there's anything inherently bad about him but the lack of range when it comes to his expressions just makes it very hard to feel any sort of connection towards him as a character. He'd really benefit from having even just subtle shifts in facial expressions.
Well, maybe the majority do have feelings, but there is a form of autism where you actually don't have any.
One of my mom's friend's daughter had it. They told her her grandmother ( who was always with her) had died and all she had to say was "Ok." Didn't even cry or anything.
a bad character doesn't have different traits
because of this a bad character can be defined in general to be "one" trait
I don't see what is so hard to understand
Bad writing exists
Fictional characters can be defined by one general trait due to bad writing of that character
Because bad characters can be defined by one or two traits due to bad writing, -dere characters exist
good characters have -dere as a trait in a relationship
bad characters have -dere as a character trait
I can't think of any other way to explain this shit
A character can have -dere as a character trait and still be enjoyable.
And vice versa.
Is a good character one you enjoy or one that is written in a certain way?
Ok, this is actually a good generalization you made, since most "having this as a trait" are not much enjoyable.
I do have to say Slaine I like more simply because of this he does shake and tremble and change opinions right on his face more often. I am assuming Inaho will start showing more emotions over time.
Why you two keep arguing in circles?
Describe the following Aldnoah.Zero character WITHOUT saying what they look like, what kind of costume they wore, or what their profession or role in the anime was. Describe this character like they ain't never seen Aldnoah.Zero before in their lives.
>100% otaku show masked as kids show
because we're trying to completely understand one another
it's rare I know, don't worry about it
Let's not bring up "enjoyable" because it brings subjectivity (opinions) into this and pretty much makes the whole conversation irrelevant
It's possible to enjoy badly written or shallow characters.
It's also possible to not enjoy well written characters.
Quality is different from entertainment, though you can get entertainment from quality.
It's kind of like....
A rectangle can be a square but a square can't be a rectangle.
Socially distant, reserved, worried about friends/schoolmates, decent planner, quite a good observer...
I could go on. This is not proof of character this is proof that I can describe what I saw.
Well, the military is run by adults. And as we know adults are never competent and at best serve as support for highschoolers to save the day.
That's obviously also why the have all highschoolers undergo mecha-training. They don't know which one will be window-seat-guy, but one of them will be and thus he should have training from the start.
That scene had nothing to do with the military being incompetent.
>Teaching some classes in school =/= Actual military preparations.
The military commander at New Orleans said they prepared for 15 years, so they obviously prepared for 15 years and it paid off with nothing. It's just bad writing.
Goddamn I hate you people because it's obvious you didn't watch the show and/or wasn't paying attention.
The drunk solider guy was the only one to know the true strength of the Martians and the only one to live through it, but the fucking UN covered up the truth.
That's why there is such a huge discripscy between the Martians and Terrans after 15 years.
I am not getting all this 'not prepared' thing. The enemy has meteor bombardment and fucking magic mechas.
The evacuation went down very quickly and smooth, coordination seems fine. Except for a couple of the footsoldiers who were probably scared shitless this is the first anime in quite a time where the military isn't stupid as a brick.
Do you remember that earth wanted to make PEACE with this martians and they abused that fact? Watch the episodes again, all of you, then post.
>A rectangle can be a square but a square can't be a rectangle.
I fucked that up, it's actually:
A square is always a rectangle, but not all rectangles are squares
Now disregard it because it doesn't make sense in the context of the original post. My bad.
>Mech is nigh-invincible
>Defeats all the real soldiers that approach it when they go full-retard for no reason despite being trained to handle this for 15 years
>A 15 year old kid in outdated hardware is able to think up a perfect plan that works without a single hitch and defeats the first Martian in history without a single loss
>How the fuck is this kicking ass