The Truth

>>19599849
Hi fellow seer, how have you felt since you saw it?
Which ascended master is closest to your heart?

>>19599849
When you die, do we have several chances to reach enlightenment. Some Gnostics disagree on hell, some think hell is reincarnation to a less intelligent animal and having to toil for survival until we migrate back to a human form but others are staunch believers of a metaphysical hell. I seem to remember reincarnating once before but my parents didn't take me seriously and now the details have become blurry. I don't think I'll reach it this lifetime

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>>19599849
I'm just going to be the one to say it: an awakened person never really talks about being awakened with others, let alone make threads professing it on 4chan.

Their "being" or melting into the reality/universe is truly an ineffable experience. Sociologist or Religious Studies scholars normally refer to these experiences as mystical, or numinous, but the symptom is usually the same; humility, endless patience, quietness, sensitivity, and compassion for all things. The latter usually comes from seeing themselves in all things and all things in them, in other words, the mystic sees the separate as an illusion, the measurable as immeasurable.

So even something as silly as language and words, that are nothing but conditioned thoughts and sounds created by the mind and body, are measurements, communication is in of itself measurable, and their ethos, or world view perspective from becoming awakened is immeasurable, therefore, the awakened person does waste much time on words. They are not proselytizing, they don't even feel responsible for creating more awakened individuals. They are simply, "being" and through their actions, not words, is what will draw people closer to understanding the inter-connectiveness of all things.

In other words OP, I have doubts that you are really awakened, and are more than likely just some lonely dude who dabbles in mysticism and is just seeking a conversation. Which if that's the case, that's all cool, lets discuss mysticism, but don't self proclaim. The awakened don't really do this.

My source: Lived as a Theravada monk for 3 years before returning to the states. I learned a lot, but no, I'm not awakened, and would never profess to be; and I lived a very disciplined life probably among those who were, but again, they would never "say" it, like you are doing now.

>>19600224
>I'm just going to be the one to say it: an awakened person never really talks about being awakened with others, let alone make threads professing it on 4chan.
I'm not OP, but I feel as if you're speaking to me as well. I'm here to save those who want to be saved. I'm here because it's home to many lost souls and people who sin against their higher selves. I'm here for those who have eyes that see and ears that hear, for those who have not seen and believe.
I know what I have seen. You are here to test me, and that's fine, you are like Thomas, who said "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe."
If you do not believe, if you do not know, you doubt.
I looked inward and I found it. Those who knock will have the door opened to them.
The ego is what separates us from the Divine.

>>19600253
I'm genuinely not here to test anyone. I think it's very nice to find people who wake up every day and try to be kinder and more compassionate human beings.

I once heard a monk say, "there are many paths that lead to the mountain top, the only person wasting their time is the one running around the base of the mountain yelling at everyone they are going the wrong way"

Honestly, if you are kind, respectful, and compassionate to others, I don't really care what helped or got you to that state of mind. I don't care what ethos you hold true, I'm much focused on the actions than the words. And that is something I was simply trying to convey to the OP.

I'll judge you moment by moment, not by some post on 4chan. I hope others would do the same for me in return.

>>19600266
I see what you mean. Indeed, words are not actions.
When Jesus used words to teach, he spoke in parables.
But words are not all that Jesus did, he traveled and performed miraculous actions and healed people where he was able.
Words, as well as actions, can be used to heal as well as hurt.

>>19600292
Yep, putting those words into action made him legit. His disciples loved him for he was genuine and honest about what he said. It wasn't ever enough to say it, he had to show them. Jesus had unconditional love for all things. I love him; he rode into town on a donkey and not some luxurious steed; he fed and helped the poor; he cared about Magdalene (women), promoted sharing and generosity, and was willing to die for all that he so loved.

Not a bad guy at all. It's understandable why so many love and worship him and his father.

If it's not obvious by now, I'm very pluralistic when it comes to religion/faith. I find the good in all of it, promote the best parts, and am thankful for it.

I love religious people who really deeply follow their faith. I personally don't care what faith it is one follows, just that their faith puts them on a path of love for themselves and love/compassion for all. I won't be the judge.

I'm much in love with the effect rather than the cause.

>>19600307
Very well said, and I agree. I've learned a lot from branching out and studying more about different religions and spiritual practices.

My religious background is that of a former Catholic who became disillusioned with the church due to seeing certain actions and beliefs being practiced and preached by the priests and their higher-ups, beliefs that were leading much of the congregation to crucify certain groups that they disagreed with. So I left the church to find my own way. I understand that not all Christians are like this - the true Christians are very much like you and I, but I decided I'd no longer support the church authorities as long as they continue to hold those beliefs.

I do very much love Jesus too. It's very sad that people have spilled and will continue to spill blood in his name.

>>19599849
Thanks for this post. I'm an not awakened, but I'm definitely waking up more and more each day. I can tell you are on the path because you simply offer the truth that each individual must do this for themselves. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear see 'you'.

How much have you shared about your awakening with those close to you? Partner, family, friends, etc.

Enlightenment is a delusion of the subtle ego -- Trying to control and define rather than simply accepting. It is disharmonious.

We come from nothing, we know nothing, we are nothing, we return to nothing.

>>19600224
just want to say you seem very cool anon

>>19600613
How does this perspective leave you feeling each day? I accept this as your valid truth and wonder what it would be like to live from a place of believing that everything is nothing. Freeing? Empty?

>>19599849
>I consider myself an enlightened person
You're still clouded in the illusion of I and as such you can't be enlightened, your wording makes it obvious.

>>19600645
He has certainly seen it.
Unless you're suggesting that enlightened people only ever communicate without making any reference to the self?
Even Jesus says "I". We are humans, so we have egos. Those who are enlightened can see past the veil. It's not about word choice.
Can you see past the veil?

>>19600628

It is. Remember your first Christmas (or birthday) and you were genuinely excited to see what you got, when everything was magical and new and mysterious? That is every moment of every day for me. Once the preconceived notions, the expectations, the memories of the past, the dreams of the future, the fear of loss are gone -- Every sensation and experience is an unrivaled miracle whether "good" or "bad".

>>19600668
Thank you. When I operate is this kind of way it feels so different from everything else. It is new for me to I sway back and forth, but I realize I'm the one holding myself back from 'nothing'.

>>19600169
I used to suffer from major depression. The seeing was the end of the depression and now I just kind of be. I love Jiddu Krishnamurti.

>>19600186
I believe the truth is 'shown' to us when we die, and after returning to the eternal I have no clue what happens after that. The only thing with seeing the truth through physical death is you don't have a living body to return to anymore. There's no need to wait until you die, you don't have to wait at all to see truth because the truth is not of time. The truth is also with you right now.

>>19600224
I agree with what you have said, that words and languages are silly when trying to convey the truth. You can't give form to the formless. I don't think 4chan is a good medium to talk about enlightenment but at this time it's all I have. Though the enlightened do not take their ego seriously as they see it as an illusion, it is not possible to function as a human being without a personality. Doubt is good though. I don't expect anything to believe what I say. I'm not here to spread any propaganda or ideas.

>>19600253
> The ego is what separates us from the divine
Indeed. I feel that while enlightenment is an 'action' only the individual can 'perform' that I can still lay down signs so people don't get caught in illusions. It may never work, but I still want to try. The ending of suffering is a truly beautiful thing.

>>19600598
I told my parents I knew the truth and they sent me to a psychiatrist. I don't discuss it with them, they're happy in their egocentric lives and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

I've brought it up to any friends who will listen to me, some of them discuss it with me and others are just content to listen. Whether they believe me or not I don't know, it also doesn't matter.

>>19600613
I agree with all that you have said about coming from nothing, being nothing, etc. But why do you think we are trying to control something? I'm not here to control anything.

>>19600645
What this anon said >>19600649

Words and languages are built around the ego. They're put together by thought. I can't communicate properly without using egotistical words. It's about the conveyance behind the words as language is finicky. All talk is cheap, true. But what harm could I be doing in having a civil discussion on an image board?

>>19600776
You think the greatest obstacle to seeing truth is yourself, then when you finally uncover the truth you see that this obstacle was also an illusion. And that there are actually no obstacles. Because there are no pieces to fit together.

>>19602235
>I believe...
>I feel that ...

so you dont KNOW shit...

>>19599849
Are traps really gay?

God is comming back

>>19602272
Not OP
Nobody 'knows shit' relax
As long as we don't know everything, we don't know anything
A single tiny detail could change everything you know
Even you should know this, do you really expect to find the truth asking someone online? What's wrong with you
Change the WAY you think instead of looking for 'the truth'

>>19602272
If I claimed that I know, someones counter argument would of been "How do you know?" and my counter argument to that is something like what >>19602334 said.

"How do you know that I know? Find out for yourself."

I could tell you what I do know. That eternity exists as everything and nothing. It is the existence of non existence. But then I'm saying a bunch of meaningless stuff to you and it doesn't wipe away any illusions at all.

Though I came bearing truth, don't take me so seriously. I can't do a single thing to make you see truth. You can only see it for yourself. Even if after talking to me you fully understood where the door to truth is, it would be entirely up to you to open it. And that's part of the trick, because the solution is not to open it, but let it open itself. Which only happens when you stop trying to open it.

>>19599849
so how was rick and morty, anon?

>>19602379
Why do you have a "need" to say anything?
You seem very young maybe late teens or early 20s. I know, because you remind me of me at that age. Don't take this the wrong way, but when you lived awhile, you will look back at this "need" to talk about truth and find it very pointless, and just another part of your ego that you hadn't weeded out just yet.

In time, you won't make threads like this.
You are not awakened yet, but you are more than likely starting to wake up. Your ego is kind of blocking you from that last stride into full interconnectiveness.

>>19600224
>I'm just going to be the one to say it: an awakened person never really talks about being awakened with others, let alone make threads professing it on 4chan.
Fucking thank you

>>19602742
Why would you not post how awakened you are.....

>>19602235
The truth is for those who seek it, who aren't happy with their egocentric lives. I've tried guiding people out of the illusion but they can't fathom leaving a comfort zone. To the point they try arguing with me. Muslims have to die, gays are abominations, money leads to happiness, etc. I've realized they have lessons to learn and I can't force it on them if they wish to hold on to hate. Even if that comfort zone was what's holding them back, it's still a comfort zone. People will be attracted to your light who wish to know more. Let your fruits do the talking

>>19602798
You're right. I'm going to stop fapping to cuck porn and make some Aryan babies now.

>>19600224
My guru who is an enlightened master says we live around many realized beings but they do not say anything about it or identify themselves as such unless it's necessary. From my understanding of his teachings, he says enlightenment is just a realization, not an attainment of knowledge or powers. Those enlightened have no particular interest in knowing things because they realize there's nothing to really know and no need to know anything because it's all right here. The only truth in their experience is that "all is one and I am that." They realized what they thought was "myself" was just a make-believe projection of their mind, and when this realization comes into one's experience, there's just a flood of ecstasy with everything as the entire consciousness of the whole cosmos slowly opens up to you like a flower in bloom. The game of the identity is up and the karmic information left finishes its final play in the dance of life, dissolving back into nothing.

These words and thoughts cannot describe or capture it though because it's beyond the duality of logic, time, and space. These are just signposts to push us towards realizing it for ourselves.

I have had glimpses in meditation where what is me is simply everywhere, but this body cannot contain it without breaking apart and I come back down in tears of unexplainable ecstasy. There's no way to even describe the little tastes I've had. It's too immense, too beautiful, and far beyond anything we could ever imagine or hope for in our wildest dreams, that everything we need is really right here, right now, staring at us in the face in every moment of our life in plain sight, that everything can happen perfectly, better than we could ever imagine, if we just let go of our imaginary nonsense and surrender into the rhythm of life.

>>19603799
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