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As you know, I've been developing anti-shill tech. I don't

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As you know, I've been developing anti-shill tech. I don't mean to brag, but my stuff is pretty topnotch.

I've been tearing my mind apart trying to figure out how to stop every shill tactic all at once for awhile but last night I had a breakthrough. Most wisdom suggests that you have to change yourself before you can change the world. Jumping into a pool of sharks on a feeding frenzy doesn't really help end it. Especially if you happen to be a shark yourself.

I've always known I was never part of the problem, but not being part of the problem didn't (contrary to another popular wisdom) make me part of the solution. Moreover, every political faction I came across suffered from the obvious problem of being shills. Being a shill tends to ruin any effectiveness you may have had, so all the purported solutions just seemed like mindless floundering to me.

I figured this floundering must just be the norm. I'd never push someone to flounder the way shills do, but it was mildly interesting to watch. For years I wanderer, seeing through the eyes of a shill. I saw many great and terrible things and many wonders that I'd never have dreamed of, but ultimately I did fall into the trap of thinking the human condition was a terminal plague. It was my hope that shill satire might free our minds from false information, but it was not to be.

Last night it hit me: I am not part of the problem. I don't contribute to the human dilemma. Whenever someone tries to force me to take a side, I defect. I don't have enough solutions to solve humanity's global condition, so what could I do? What should I do about human nature? If humans are weak and easily frightened, what's to come of it?

I realized shills weren't demons: They are human. They cut as we do and they bleed as we do. They live as we do and they die as we do. They meet their maker as much as anyone does. They are mortal and weak, but more than anything, human.
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Shills are just people that force the weaknesses of human nature to resurface. They don't have an army that they can use to kill all dissent, so they seek to halt discussions of peace, to mobilize armies against each other. The strongest weapon for a shill is the ugliness of human endurance: To push us to against each other and make us judge each other. To make us see though their hopeless eyes. If I'd speak about this at length some of you might well begin to question your own shill nature.

I don't need to restore the flow of accurate intel or realign humanity's chakras or anything of the sort, I just need to do what shills never can: Be honest. Tell you the truth. I only need to give you one lead that you can follow or not. The choice was always yours to make: Shilled or regular?

Basically, you don't need to fight against shills or improve the human condition at all. All you need to know is that their most effective weapon is judging each other: Don't let yourself develop a preconceived notion about any group of people. If you already have one, don't act on it. Don't be the one that derails discussions because someone is being a faggot.
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Top notch mate. I'm fairly new to /x/ but have been a b/tard for quite a long time, and even there my philosophy was always this. Why the fuck play games?
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>>16932827
Existential boredom, friend. Existential boredom.
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>>16933905
nope shills are phantom of the opera
are they zombies of god, or zombies of ayylmao?
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>>16933950
Personally, I like to think they're the binding points between dimensions. Desperately trying to hold their world together without understanding its composition. Usually that means reptilians.
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>>16934461
>reptilians.
Aaaand..... imout.
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>>16936501
See you soon.
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Shill here, ama
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>>16936680
How can shills exist if humans don't exist?
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In the practice of getting people to judge each other, the most effective tactic is generally to pose as a member of the faction you wish to be judged. The internet makes it really easy to pretend you're black, white, Norwegian, a cat, or an activist. Even the most autistic among us can lead fake lives on the internet. You can pretend to be part of multiple factions, play for both sides, and feel patriotism for opposing political ideologies.

How can we keep ourselves sane in a world where anyone can pose as anything, you ask? Simple.

Just remember that faggots gonna fag. Judge not your fellow man nor the group he purports to report to; judge only the faggot within him. For I say unto you now: Each of us has within us the potential to act like a faggot whether we be shills or philes.

For ever and ever, pic unrelated.
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>>16938171
If you don't exist, you can be anything you want, nothing at all, or both.
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>>16938179
i am the Ubermensch
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>>16938193
You're also dead.
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Although in terms of tangibility, I've found the route of selflessness gets you farther, faster. And you generally feel better as well.
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>>16938171
I think I love you
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>>16938199
How can death be dead if we aren't with strange aeons?
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>>16938210
No homo, good buddy.
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>>16938213
I see what you did there.
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>>16938236
And here I was beginning to worry.
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>>16938213
Life:Death :: Light:Dark
Death:Life :: Light:Dark
Transmutation ;)
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>>16938247
Don't happen to have any clue as to the Sarmoung would you, brother?
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>>16938252
Nah, different madness.
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>>16932527
Call me when you realize you are a part of the problem just like the rest of us shmucks. There are no shills humans really, that's just an opinion you feel you need to hold to excuse and make rational your own equally confused experience, to make yourself feel a notch above.>>16938171
I think you also validated my point for me right here.
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REMINDER THAT YOU ARE NOT INSANE

FBI admits no major cases cracked with Patriot Act snooping powers:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/21/fbi-admits-patriot-act-snooping-powers-didnt-crack/

How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - The Intercept (by Glen Greenwald, THE Glen Greenwald): https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

Lobbyists Hired Trolls To Attack Net Neutrality Articles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-5vn06r1jM

Fake forum comments are 'eroding' trust in the web - BBC News: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15869683

"Human Resources" (documentary of victims in the flesh of social engineering): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rnJEdDNDsI

NSA recruitment drive goes horribly wrong (NSA admitting they work for some unknown "customer"):
http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/jul/05/national-security-agency-recruitment-drive

Here is the recording:
https://soundcloud.com/madiha-1/students-question-the-nsa-at

Global network of corporate control (scientific paper to prove you right): http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.5728.pdf

The Truth Shall Come
The Truth Shall Come
The Truth Shall Come
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This is kinda interesting, but ultimately it's an old argument restated amid enough incense smoke and mystic hand waving to make /x/ like it (I read the whole thing). The problem is no man is an island. It cannot be restated enough. Regardless of your philosophical bent, you benefit tremendously from ingroup loyalty. Your country especially be even your school or sports teams. In fact, the only reason you have the luxury to sit here and declare it unnecessary is because men you've never met stand ready to do violence on your behalf. Interesting how you can "enlighten" yourself all the way back around to a hopeless beast.
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>>16938965
The CIA sells central and south American cocaine to fund covert MJ-12 ops, Area 51 and similar closed sites.

I am the customer.
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>>16939098
Also, there really isn't much of a difference between insanity and total nervous system disorientation.
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>>16939116
It looks like nonsense, but it isn't ......

:)
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>>16938863
I'm sure you'd say the same thing about any and every character in PUNCH LINE.
>>16938965
Can you try to sound less like the fuckwads that usually learn about that stuff? It's nothing personal I just think you could be less of a faggot with this.
>>16939084
>Regardless of your philosophical bent, you benefit tremendously from ingroup loyalty.
>loyalty
Weird.

I wasn't aware you could be loyal to someone you will never meet.

I'm sorry if you felt like I was worth fighting for this whole time. I swear I never really was.
>>16939098
Personally, I don't doubt the CIA does illegal shit. I just don't know if I care or not. Call 'em the original anarchists.
>>16939116
>association
Ahhhh... The ignorance of the false controllers.
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>>16932552
>I just need to do what shills never can: Be honest. Tell you the truth.
This assumes you know the truth.
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>>16939441
Why would I ever assume I knew anything else?
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>>16939429
That's an odd concept of a counterpoint. But really, your whole statement is based on an exclusionary concept that puts forth that You (the illuminated party) has gained access to an exclusive angle. An angle the rest of us rubes, sheep, shills, etc cannot possibly grasp? So far all you've done is remind us all that the world is filled with pointless anguish and faggotry and that the best course of action is to ride it out, try to not contribute to the misery and make the best of it. Not exactly a hidden secret of the universe. You go on to wax poetic about only judging your own inner faggot and then judge several other people, some of whom agreed with you. Your whole statement is based in judging and exclusionary ideas. All you seem to have started this thread for is to stroke your own ego; but considering this is /x/ that's essentially par for the course.>>16939448
You presume to say you know the truth. None of us know the truth. None of us really know anything but an ornate system of coping strategies.
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>>16940618
Wow, thank you anon. That was amazing. I don't think I've ever seen anyone create such a stunning depiction of a shill. Props anon, you know your stuff.

For those of you that are just now joining us, let's get up-to-date on the context of this discussion:
>MCS writes shill satire
>Pine posts
>MCS acts like a shill
>Pine prepares the
>implications

Remember: When you want to act as a shill, start by deciding what kind of implications you want to cast on the post you're replying to. Also remember that you're replying to someone's posts, NOT the actual person. Shills never respond to the actual person because the actual person has nothing to do with the image the shill wants to cast on a post.

Before I can explain the intricate shill qualities of this post, however, I'll need to explain the state of the entire thread.

>That's an odd concept of a counterpoint.
For the record, this is as far as I've read. I wrote all this based solely on that first sentence. I ran out of time tonight but I'll be back tomorrow. Hopefully my satire hasn't been TOO confusing for non-shills.

>>16932552 >>16938171 >>16938965
These posts are the only actual thread content so far.
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Good thread
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>>16942059
So I'm pretty positive you're a shill at this point, or a skeleton. Any comment?
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>>16938171
True, there is a specific personality disorder that will always be co-morbid with shilling/disinformation both because they rely on trying to make everyone else think like them and also because the only people who would sign on as a disinformation agent are those afflicted with such disorders.
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>>16938965
So what are they even doing with all this snooping? It's been years now and nothing. I think it's just paranoia. They probably expected to find all kinds of secret plots but it turns out everyone would rather just watch TV. Now they have to keep the fear alive in order to secure future funding.
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>>16939429
>Can you try to sound less like the fuckwads that usually learn about that stuff?
I think you have a point, maybe need to be stated more seriously.

>>16945868
Is more than just a few years anon. The counter-intelligence community has been done similar stuff since...well, dates back to british crown.
The purpose is the same as always, control. Security is just an scapegoat, is kind of obvious if you have the statistics comparing what crimes were prevented versus what crimes were committed by the intelligence community (not just the NSA's programs I mean).
Do you know about the meme showing the picture of Marx in which hes says is not the illuminati but the ruling class? Is because is always those who are in power or want to be in power the ones who control the status quo.
What happens here is, the establishment (as I am going to refer for now to these people) realize they can be put down in the next change of authorities, just as it happened on the french revolution. I am based on several things, but when you read Foundation by Isaac Asimov you can understand the wed dreams of the establishment to prevent the fall of their empire. The other part I am based on is the surge of data mining and data analytics, more precisely on predictive analytics. The idea that things can be predicted like Minority Report has a root on the establishment, and major business use it, is no conspiracy theory is just business.
The other part is what to do with all the knowledge at hand, and there is where we have things like memetics and social engineering to use the date they have. Seems like something more obscure, but we have cases (some which I mention) to prove this happens. Microsoft has a big history on dirty business, but the best example is the CIA and the intelligence community, is their sole purpose if you know their history.

I think would be better if I say what might be strategies to cope with this.
My post is way too long and I have to go but I will come back.
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>>16946646
A clarification. Science is so because it can predict things as also explain them in logical steps. Hard science is so because apart from predicting it can also replicate, being falsifiability the step posterior to "projecting" (or also known as "hypothesizing").

Back were I left, we need tools to positively defend ourselves against the effects of social engineering, which is the more shady part of mass surveillance.

For one the technological surveillance is hard to cope. Eavesdropping has a lot of consequences, one is "economical espionage". A company on Brazil suffered that according to the documents revealed on the NSA if you want to dig.

One technological response is supporting open source software. Might not be enough seeing the case on systemD on Linux, the FBI infiltrating OpenBSD, or cases of tampered firmware. But Linux, and specifically the GPL keep its advantages in the face of a cyberpunk-like world. Of course we need open source hardware, like "open source ecology", arduino and 3d printing.

Notice that I haven't covered much the economical part. The explanation is too long and is related to politics, which we obviously need to do something. Politics is pervasive, and even if we don't want to deal with it, it will certainly deal with us. And no, eliminating government will give the opportunity to big corporations to finally make a full takeover. The establishment already has a lot of laws and power and influence to have no other authority than them. We need to incentive participatory politics, and that kind of "lobbying" is done from inside the government.

Is also important share information and form groups. The two are very related for all the compartimentalization that happens which impede us to be aware and act. The strategy of "divide and conquer" stops much of the resistance and we need to start making groups that share information without borders and makes politics, although I admit is hard to coordinate, is a necessary thing.
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>>16947185
Having access to cultural material is definitively a must. Cultural stagnation and information warfare is a thing, researching memetics or just plain (viral) marketing helps understand information warfare. Cultural stagnation is more difficult because is done country-wide, or even continent-wide.

Think of what is told on the novel 1984 about controlling what words are used and you get an idea. But how to know that? Culture has much to do with how we view the world and how we act. Simple things like watching "Salt of the Earth" or a documentary on the war is soemtimes enough to make us form opinions. And I am sorry for those who believe piracy is bad, but sometimes is the only way to have access to information and culture crucial to open our minds. Aaron Swartz put it better https://archive.org/stream/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto/Goamjuly2008_djvu.txt

Now, just one more thing, and this is more itchy. There is something called transhumanism which you should research. A lot of effort is being put into lobbying the cyber part of technological enhancement, which can be hacked or made a license-slavery out of it. Although low level self experimentation is already done by the grinders, the biotechnological part is somewhat done already and by the establishment. Statistics, which I no longer have access, showed how human growth hormone is used to make siblings grow taller by the high class. This is only the beginning and before you say that it should be banned, consider that people exist in this world that can buy a private island, they can easily pay for a lab and specialist doctors. And if a prediction is welcome, 2016 is the year the establishment will hit hard transhumanism for the masses, while keeping it for themselves. The commoner transhumanist branch is already attacked, is happening in wikipedia, and is happening with the Vice media journalist now candidate to presidency.

Sorry if all this requires a lot of time to see if in fact will happen.
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>>16932527
>what could I do?
Improve your own condition.
>What should I do about human nature?
Leave it be; there's no harm in that.
>If humans are weak and easily frightened, what's to come of it?
A drive to protect unlike any other.
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"Be selfish" = to fall and to be divided and conquered.
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>>16932527
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>>16932527
Excuse a non-native english speaker, but what exactly is the definition of a shill? Is it a derogatory term for a jew? I could not find an explanation of the word shill in a google search for dictionary explanations of this word.
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>>16947596
>Excuse a non-native english speaker, but what exactly is the definition of a shill?
i dont mean to make fun of you but i fucking laughed out loud at this.
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>>16947606
oh the part about jews is the part that made me laugh. i failed. gunna go kms now.
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>>16947596
Shill. Could be a marketer selling a product on the internet without telling it. But also an undercover FBI, NSA agent on the forums trying to spread false information and discord.

Like an insult to an indian, many shills from the CIA are targeting indians these days to demoralize anything on a country part of BRICK.

I understand why the confusion, /pol/ often use the term interchangeably (see the pic). Because there is an agency of Israel spreading propaganda, mostly when someone mentions Palestine.
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>>16947804
Thank you for the explanation :^)

Now, /x/ do you believe the antikythera device could be the highly accurate clock needed by the ancients to map the world? We did not have that accurate clocks till the 1800's or so but yet we see the landmass of antarctica mapped out perfectly in the Piri Reis map, something which was not known to us untill after 1950.
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>>16947821
>Now, /x/ do you believe the antikythera device could be the highly accurate clock needed by the ancients to map the world?
It's possible. I think there were technologies left over from a great civilization which people used for a long time until random events like ships sinking made them disappear or break.
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>>16932527
>As you know, I've been developing anti-shill tech. I don't mean to brag, but my stuff is pretty topnotch.

God damn you are retarded.
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>>16950178
Sorry, it's against my religion to brag so I've gotta have that disclaimer there whenever I'm congratulating myself.
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