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Can anyone help me find ANY anime that's EITHER a SHOUNEN anime or just any kind of FIGHTING-oriented anime in general, where they have any OPENLY GAY MALE character (does not need to be a main character, and does not need to have a romance) in it who is NOT a Japanese stereotype of what a gay man looks or acts like?
What a Japanese stereotype of a gay man is like?
In shounen and fighting-oriented anime, they are typically depicted with strongly masculine physical features, and as unattractive, and as creepy perverts trying to hit on any straight guy they see (and always with the straight guys being disgusted by them), and acting flamboyant, and usually are seen wearing awkward make-up (I don't mind them wearing make-up, but they usually look like clowns or creepy drag queens).
Or in short, they are depicted to appear to be as little of how a typical shounen (or fighting-oriented) anime protagonist OR deuteragonist is like as humanly possible.
I am NOT looking for yaoi, and I am NOT looking for shounen-ai, and I am NOT looking for mangas, and I am NOT looking for lesbian stuff, and I am NOT looking for transgender stuff. And please do not bother commenting if you're not comfortable with male gay stuff - this post is not for you.
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Bulat from Akame ga Kill
>>381427
Bulat is really masculine in physical traits, clothes, and hair. Far more so than the male character he trains and keeps hitting on. Sorry, doesn't count.
There's Sensui and Itsuki from Yu Yu Hakusho.
>>381429
Yeah but being gay isn't his reason for that. Do you want the character to check off on all your stupid arbitrary rules?
>>381431
Isn't that just mostly implied, never outright made clear? Sort of like with Haku and Zabuza in Naruto? Plus, implying that the girly one of them has a wish of literally becoming a woman?
>>381435
We won't get anywhere if you're going to act hostile. But do you really think it's a coincidence he's depicted as really masculine? They always do that with openly gay male characters in action-oriented anime like this.
>>381437
You won't even accept one small deviation with reason though.
You're not going to find a black person who doesn't fall into at least one stereotype.
>>381442
Small deviation? "I'm looking for an attractive feminine gay male character." - "Here's an attractive masculine gay male character."
Uhm... how is that a "small deviation"? I'm fine with them acting flamboyant or being weird, I really am not superpicky.
Heck, if Grell in Black Butler wasn't stated by the fanbase to be a transgender female but being a gay male character instead, I'd be satisfied with that.
Jesus christ you're still on this crusade?
How long has it been like nine months of trying to find an arbitrary anime character that you will never find because you constantly find reasons as to why characters don't count.
>>381455
It has more to do with that most people are just like you who respond to me - giving me knee-jerk reactions and be whiny about me posting stuff. Guess what? If my posts bother you, you can ignore them. I know, crazy idea, right?
>>381456
I tried helping you months ago and you went on an autistic rant. "knee jerk" my ass.
>>381457
The irony of someone first going "durrr, you went into an autistic rant" and then going like "knee-jerk my ass".
It must be so fun and easy to act like fifth-grader bully online just because you get to be anonymous, huh? It's almost as if it requires very few braincells.
>>381462
>can't even read site rules properly
>is offered help and answers
>attacks anyone who tries
okay dude
why are you even here?
ur pretty toxic tobecompletelyhonestwithyoufamily
https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/162226580/#162226796
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
/s anime sucks and you won't find what you're looking for. pick up a book, buddy.
No one is going to read this thread and give you what you want. Mostly because it doesn't exist, but outside of that, you're just a shitty person in general.
>>381485
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure has no actual gay inclusion. It's all subtext.
Pick up a book? Sorry, not my thing. I'm a visual person - I love movies and shows.
I'm kind of tired of seeing false "request" threads that are thinly disguises for rants and/or something trying to prove a point. Stop wasting everyone's time and fuck off.
>>381488
Telling someone they are a shitty person by acting like a shitty person themselves? Irony.
>>381490
no kidding, you struck me as a non-reader, just by the insufferable way you type. read some western comics then. there's probably Stuff.
>>381462
I don't know why you're acting surprised over people being hostile to you when you behave in such an antagonistic manner, especially toward those who try to help you. It's also pretty evident that these threads are not actionable requests, they cannot be fulfilled because the premise is inherently impossible for various reasons, and you are only making these threads for attention.
Unfortunately /wsr/'s moderation is not really savvy enough to detect shit threads like this and reporting it will likely do no good.
>>381491
Wasting everyone's time? Bitch, you're the only one having any control over what you're wasting time on doing. I'm not forcing you to read my posts and leave a comment.
>>381493
That has more to do with English not being my first language, Mr Pretentious Snob.
>>381494
Acting surprised? Whenever did I say something like, "Oh gee golly jizz-whiss gumdrop, why are people so mean on 4chan? 4chan tends to be such a friendly place!"?
And your argument is a logical fallacy. You have no evidence of it being impossible to find this - you're just saying that because you're mad at me. If you don't want me to act antagonistic, don't act antagonist yourself. Fucking hypocrite.
>>381426
you should watch One Punch Man OP, it has a gay guy in it
>>381485
There isn't even a single gay character in JoJo
>>381612
That is literally the opposite of what I'm asking for. I literally used that offensive gay character as a picture with a red cross over him here. And he fits with every single criteria of what I do not look for. Are you trolling?
Because, god forbid depicting someone like Speed-O-Sound Sonic as gay there, because he's attractive and androgynous, huh?
>>381612
Puri-Puri Prisoner is indeed openly gay. I snorted my coffee all over my keyboard when I saw a cellphone ringtone coming out of his ass.
Also, Poison as a transgender person from Street Fighter is a classic subject of debate. There are however people who simply won't accept that particular plot twist, ever. Kek.
>>381615
The whole story is so macho it's almost gay entirely. The same with Toriko.
>>381426
I'm quite sure this guy was gay. From Tengen toppa gurren lagann.
Might be too flamboyant for your tastes though.
>>381426
It's not anime but manga, Saber Marionette J has a male character who is attracted to MC. Not shonen, however fighting element is strong.
The universe in that story is however very much twisted off the bat already. There are no real women, only male population. All the female characters are advanced android technology.
>>381426
Vandread anime. Subtle implications, but what a commitment from a character. However if I describe it, it would be a massive major spoiler. Your call.
>>381494
>Unfortunately /wsr/'s moderation is not really savvy enough to detect shit threads like this
Disagreed. We recently had a purely informative discussion thread about presentation of female genitalia in anime and manga. This one went well, borrowing the accepted rules of both social and mainstream media about how does one comment the topic in public discussion.
>>381426
>shonen male gay
Could be a tough call. Shonen is oriented to adolescent/teen male audience and depicting openly gay characters in that demographics is a quite strict no-no in Japanese manga and anime. Japanese manga and anime. Japanese.
Japanese culture tends to wipe it's ass with wishes coming from American culture. However if you find one, you should keep on bombing the author/artist continuously with your personal wishes, plus you should hand over some cash to make your personal fetish realized in manga or anime. Cash makes fetishes greenlighted even in Japan, ok?
Non-shonen, fighting oriented manga/anime with homotic character or more should be easier task regarding formal demographics. Haven't seen any of those in mainstream either.
>>381448
What does the fanbase have to do with anything? And what is this thread's purpose? This is one of the most arbitrary requests I've seen on here.
>>381748
OP's personal fetish, ofc. What else.
>>381732
I said I'm not looking for transgenders.
>>381733
Bullshit. There is no ACTUAL gay stuff in JoJo's.
>>381735
He fits into all the criterias of what I am NOT looking for. Why would you even bring him up?
>>381740
If it's subtle implications, it doesn't count.
>>381747
Logical fallacy. Plenty of shounen anime have openly gay characters. But they are always offensive stereotypes.
Not sure how "open" it was as my memory about that particular series is a bit hazy, but I recall tons upon tons of gayness in X 1999.
>>381774
None which was open, just CLAMP gay subtext.
>>381771
Prove it.
Would Felix from Re:Zero count?
>>381771
And those are..?
>>381800
Oh? Gladly. Puri-Puri Prisoner in One-Punch Man. Leeron Littner in Gurren Lagann. General Blue AND Otokosuki in Dragonball, Garfiel in Fullmetal Alchemist, Bentham AND Emporio Ivankov in One Piece, Bulat in Akame Ga Kill... do you want me to continue? I can do this all day.
Problem though for me with these ones and many others is that they fit into the stereotypes described I do not wish for them to be like.
>>381805
I refer to the comment I made right above this one.
>>381803
Is he openly gay? Like, is he shown to be attracted to other dudes?
>>381931
>OH MY GOD THEY SLIGHTLY RESEMBLE THIS ONE ARBITRARY RULE, I HATE THEM THEY AREN'T WHAT I LIKE
you're a real weirdo
>>381989
Arbitrary
Adjective
1.
based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
"an arbitrary decision"
synonyms: capricious, whimsical, random, chance, erratic, unpredictable, inconsistent, wild, hit-or-miss, haphazard, casual; Mer
2.
(of power or a ruling body) unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority.
"a country under arbitrary government"
synonyms: despotic, tyrannical, tyrannous, peremptory, summary, autocratic, dictatorial, authoritarian, draconian, autarchic, anti-democratic;
What I bring up is not arbitrary. I know exactly what I want, and I have very specific rules for it. And it's personal - I'm not telling ALL gay characters should be like this. I am just asking IF there is any such character out there I'm looking for. In no sense of the word is what I said "arbitrary".
Also, I never said I hate the characters. You're strawmanning me to make me easier for you to antagonize.
>>381931
>Bulat in Akame Ga Kill
How? Unlike all the other characters you mentioned, there is no reason to believe only by appearance that he is gay.
>>382030
Never said you can always tell by their appearances they are gay. But he is clearly depicted as really masculine in how he looks like. Especially compared to the male character he trains. They'd never depict a gay dude like the dude he trains. There isn't an ounce of attractive femininity nor androgyny with Bulat.
Nagito from Dangit Ronpaul? I guess it isn't really a shounen anime.
>>381426
I can tell you that, despite having seen anime in the thousands, that your request barely has any matches, if any at all. Try and be more flexible if you want something recommended, if not, then nobody can help you.
>>382257
Is there anything in Danganronpa confirming that Nagito is gay?
>>382266
You're a straight guy who's aloof to it and don't care IF you ever recall seeing it anywhere, so that doesn't count,
>>382285
Not him, but I'd say he's right. You need to chill out a bit and be more flexible about the recommendations. I completely get what you want because I'm bi myself and I'm into more feminine guys as well. I'm gonna tell you straight up - you're not gonna find what you're looking for in the shonen genre. Shonen is primarily targeted towards young, highly impressionable boys, therefore it can't contain anything that strays too far from conservative, traditional social norms. Open gay relationships and feminine/twink gay guys are something that sort of does stray from conservative social norms.
I'm not saying that it's a lost cause because I'm sure you could probably find some obscure action anime that has that sort of character. However, I'd assume my pickings as "slim" at best if I were you and started looking in genres more tailored towards that, such as slice of life, romance, drama etc. Either that or just watch a yaoi hentai with some cutie femboys in it and get my fix that way.
>>381959
No
Evangelion
Devilman
>>382306
Logical fallacy. They already have gay inclusion in shounen anime. It's just that it's with them having offensive stereotypes. But it's not part of traditional social norms. Also, I never said a thing about romances.
I'm not INTO feminine gay guys - I happen to BE one, and feeling alienated. And don't tell me to watch boring shit that isn't my cup of tea. Don't you think I've tried? It doesn't work for me. I love stuff with action and fighting in it, I love stuff not grounded in reality.
>>382310
Then why bring it up?
>>382284
"I'll tell you now, I have no intention of going swimming. Oh, but if you just want to see me naked, that's fine with me."
>>381426
This is going to grind your gears right up, but Future Diary
>>381426
watch Rainbow, it's a good prison anime
>>381426
and Evangelion were both published in Shounen Ace.
>b-but they're not real shounen because I get to decide what "real" shounen is.
Bon Clay sama from one piece Alabasta arc is my favourite. Don't know if he's gay.
>>382443
>They already have gay inclusion in shounen anime. It's just that it's with them having offensive stereotypes.
Exactly. It's just making fun of gay guys for not being "normal". Gays portrayed in a (relatively) positive light are pretty much non-existent in shonen.
>>382446
These are nothing but really vague implications that could mean anything.
>>382448
Mirai Nikki? Isn't that the really depressing demented gay depiction? Uhm... but, I mean, sure, I guess that counts. Fair enough, I'll give you a cookie.
>>382449
I can't find any evidence of this Rainbow anime having any actual gay inclusion though?
>>382450
Never ever did I try to dictate what a shounen is and isn't, Captain Strawman. But from what I know, the gay stuff is only proper in the manga of Evangelion - but in the anime, it's only implied and kept ambigious. But feel free to correct me if I am wrong on that.
>>382457
Bon Clay literally fits into everything I described to be the offensive gay stereotypes I do not wish to see.
>>382460
Glad to see SOMEONE here who gets my point.
>>382555
I'm not sure I dare to correct you, Gaylox, High-Arbiter of all things Gay.
>>382559
So, because you have a shot of a guy getting awkwardly close to another guy, that's evidence for there being gay inclusion? Sai does the same shit in Naruto, yet he eventually ends up with a girl.
>>382562
Whatever you say, Gaylox.
>>382626
Knee-jerk reaction is knee-jerk reaction. You're too stupid to find any ACTUAL gay inclusion, and you choose to blame ME for that by pretending to be clever with "Gaylox".
>>382558
Now you say I get your point, but when I said it earlier in >>382306, you called my argumentation a "logical fallacy". This whole thread seems like one giant troll and it seems you're not actually looking for help in terms of the thing you requested, but rather for an excuse to get angry at random people on the internet for spending their own free time, out of their own will to help you. Just go fucking die in a fire, will ya?
>>382641
First of all, how the fuck would I know you're the same person? Second, how does it make me a troll to be able to agree on something you say and disagree on something else you say? Are you seriously that stupid and childish? Then again, I'm asking this to the person who goes like: "Wueh wueh, go and die!"
>>382644
>how does it make me a troll to be able to agree on something you say and disagree on something else you say?
Because you both agreed and disagreed on the same argument at the same time? It really makes you come off as either a troll or a person with split personality, among other psychological problems.
>>382644
You're not supposed to.
You're supposed to consider the statement, unchained by the baggage of thinking about who said it.
>>382627
See, here's the thing:
I'm talking about a show I've seen.
You're speculating about a show you've not seen.
Yet you're talking like you're not guessing, which is why I get to mock you, despite your position of High Arbiter of what Is Gay and Isn't Gay.
>>382641
I think his biggest problem is he refuses to accept an answer unless the member literally fucks a dude on screen.
Someone recommended IBO to him months ago because one of the side characters is a dick dongler but he outright said because the character doesn't actually kiss anyone it doesn't count.
He fucking disregards everything unless the character awkwardly goes "I AM GAY, I LOVE DICK", but then that discredits the character because all of a sudden he's a joke character for making a statement that no one in their right mind would say.
>>382645
Except, we didn't? I agreed with him that shounen anime in general is shit at depicting gays. I do not agree with there existing no exception. It's a negative, it can't therefor be proven right. But by proxy, there HAS to be ANY exception out there.
>>382646
Which is exactly what I am doing.
>>382649
I'm not guessing about a show I haven't seen. I'm just telling you why your evidence is shit. I've done the mistake before to take someone's word an anime has proper gay inclusion in it, and then payed the price by being disappointed. I have no reason to waste my time on this anime if your "proof" of gay inclusion there is shit.
>>382714
I have literally stated tons of times I'm not looking for porn or to see two dudes fuck. You're strawmanning me to an insane extent.
You even yourself said here in the same message I ask for two guys to kiss on-screen. Apparently, you're too retarded to know the difference between kissing and fucking.
Also, it's yet another strawman to say I want them to literally go "I am gay, I love dick". You can know a character is gay by them having an obvious crush on another male character, or if they talk about finding another dude sexy or such.
Heterosexuals make it obvious in 99% of all movies and shows ever made they are heterosexual without it being awkward. You're just dismissing what I say because you refuse to see things from my point of view - because you're clearly just yet another narrowminded 4chan user here resorting to knee-jerk reactions like a 5th-grader.
>>382775
What about X TV or Tsubasa Chronicle? Clamp runs on gay characters basically.
>>382443
What do you mean feeling alienated?
Do you not realize Japanese anime is made for a Japanese demographic and therefore society and how things are treated will be different from your normal view?
It isn't made to pander to westerners or Western faggots.
>>381431
Kurama and Hiei were also supposed to be a couple, but editors nixed that.
>>382774
Well tough shit.
There's no need for "evidence", because the show exists and it is the evidence. Anyone that wants to know which of us is right can, instead of guessing about a show that's foundational to the entire medium, just fucking watch Evangelion like you already should have.
>>382775
>Also, it's yet another strawman to say I want them to literally go "I am gay, I love dick". You can know a character is gay by them having an obvious crush on another male character, or if they talk about finding another dude sexy or such.
>>382562
>So, because you have a shot of a guy getting awkwardly close to another guy, that's evidence for there being gay inclusion? Sai does the same shit in Naruto, yet he eventually ends up with a girl.
>>382546
>These are nothing but really vague implications that could mean anything.
>>381798
>just CLAMP gay subtext.
>>381768
>If it's subtle implications, it doesn't count
Clearly it's not.
>>382821
I know nothing of those two. I googled them, but couldn't find any evidence of gay inclusion there. Sure, I could watch it myself - but if I tried watching all recommendations I get, I'd have time for nothing else.
>>382824
It's not just Japanese. I always feel alienated for identifying as a feminine gay dude who isn't pompous or flamboyant.
>>382838
By your logic, I should watch every single anime ever recommended to me because idiots like you lack the capability of showing me evidence of any gay inclusion.
>>382849
I would just like to point out that the second last of those things you respond to wasn't me (OP here). I won't other than that bother to say anything to you, because you're not being constructive nor saying anything with a point.
>>382865
>asks for advice from people who know better
>doesn't actually take advice from people who know better
So yes, if you start a fucking rec thread, you don't then turn round and say "no, I know better, this show I haven't watched doesn't count because I've speculated it doesn't".
And further, it's fucking Evangelion. There's no excuse for not having seen it, it's fucking Evangelion.
>>381426
Akito Kobayashi from Tokyo Revelations OVA is gay. It's an important plot point. Too bad the OVA isn't good
>>382875
I bet the OPs gonna say it's not gay enough for him, call your post a logical fallacy and then complain some more...
OP should just accept they made this thread for the wrong reasons.
>>382879
I didn't read a single post of this thread, not even OPs fully. I just want to share best boy.
>>382871
Yes, because if there is one thing 4chan is known for, it's for better "knowing better than you". I only come here for advice as a last resort because I know it's filled with whiny assholes like you focusing on nothing but personal attacks against me.
And ever since Bennett reviewed Evangelion and talked about how bad he thinks it is, I just haven't been interested in it.
>>382875
Oh? Well, thanks for the suggestion. Though, if it as you say isn't good, that's a shame. :/
>>382879
Logical fallacy? That is literally what YOU are doing NOW, idiot. He on the other hand? He gave me a recommendation. Even if it wouldn't work for me, it wouldn't be a logical fallacy. Do you even know what a logical fallacy is? You have now indirectly confirmed to me that you and probably several others here are just kids who vent by attacking me like... well, kids.
>>382886
What's that from?
>>381501
>your argument is a logical fallacy
>>381771
>Logical fallacy.
>>382443
>Logical fallacy.
>>382892
>Do you even know what a logical fallacy is? You have now indirectly confirmed to me that you and probably several others here are just kids
You clearly don't. You are hereby banned from using this word until you can tell us the specific fallacy in >>381501, >>381771, and >>382443 . I contend that there isn't one, and you're just abusing the word "fallacy" to mean "some statement I don't like".
Go read https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/, and identify which fallacy each poster committed. I assert that they did not in fact commit any formal or informal fallacy, and you don't know what "fallacy" means.
>>382892
Well, I'm obviously mocking you at this point because I've already given you a few recs and explanations in this thread and your response always boiled pretty much to that, so I determined you're not worth helping at this point.
>>382890
You don't get to have a debate about what is and isn't in Evangelion, because what's in Evangelion is a matter of fact, and can be verified by watching Evangelion.
You don't get to boast about not having seen Evangelion; if you've not seen it, then literally everyone in this thread does, in fact, know better than you.
>>382861
Why didn't you Google your recommendations as well then, fucking retard.
>>383040
What are you talking about? I HAVE googled them all.
It's so pathetic how people here can barely bother to do more than a half-assed attempt at recommending stuff, then when I say in a friendly manner why it doesn't work for me people just resort to knee-jerk reactions and throw out insults like kids.
>>383060
He meant "google yourself up some of your own", seeing as the only incentive in helping you appears to be ingratitude and whinging.
>>383073
Yeah, because these responses on 4chan would totally be all friendly and respectful if I was more grateful. Right? Yeah, I don't think so.
I wasn't rude, at least not at first. I just explained why the recommendations I recieved don't work. How does that warrant ad hominem knee-jerk reactions?
Also, I DO google shit myself. All the damn time.
>>381455
Well, looking up the MAL poster from this thread
>>381469
>https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/162226580/#162226796
it seems it's been at least two years. He's also managed to watch 24 series to completion in that span, so it's understandable that he's not inclined to waste his time watching many more. Clearly, spending months debating which series most perfectly fits his criteria is a more fulfilling activity.
>>383348
>Yeah, because these responses on 4chan would totally be all friendly and respectful if I was more grateful. Right? Yeah, I don't think so.
Take a look at literally any other anime recommendation thread on this board. Here I'll even help you out:
>>382822
>>382377
>>383325
Whoa look at that, people act reasonably polite toward the people helping them and there's no flame war. It's almost like having basic fucking manners is really conducive to your goal or something. But nah, keep being an utter twat, I'm sure it'll work eventually.