/vgcg/ - VGC General - Hype Edition

ToTT: I've used a few niche picks but my favorite one as of this moment has to be safety goggles scizor. I might sound weird as hell at first but it allows you to punish amoonguss+most partners like gardivoir or kangaskhan by setting up swords dance and hitting hard with bullet punch. Also having a pokemon that doesn't instantly die to kangaskhan is incredibly good.

ToTT: Sableye for sure. Really underrated, priority WoWs shut down any physical attacker.

dead until new rules come out tbqh

How often do really bad players make it into worlds? Does that happen?

Anyone care rate my team and possibly suggest a sixth member? I feel like ferrothorn and other grass types have been giving me a little trouble be gentle

http://pastebin.com/p7CKg0xv

ToTT: Mixed Greninja.

Scarf Lando is less common now, so a mixed Narutoad with Ice Beam, Gunk Shot and Low Kick gets super effective coverage against lots of goodstuffs teams.

Besides, the rise of Defiant Thundy and Sheer Force Lando-I in battle spot makes it easier to snipe stuff.

>>24580338
a lot of bad players make it in from random tiny countries like south africa or wherever. and a lot of players who aren't necessarily shit-tier but probably don't belong on the world stage make it in even in places like the U.S. you see it every year, dudes who do well at the regional/national level then get BTFO at worlds, read: pretty much every nigger bridge user kek

>>24578171

Slowbro, with a safety goggles he is guaranteed to set up trickroom, bar the double target in some cases.

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Just when I thought they couldn't get more autistic niggerbridge comes out with this jewel.

>>24581448
>I got a lot of questions about why I used Porygon2 over Cresselia so here it is: I needed more power and the ability to remove genies quickly
He shares our goals. We should ally with him, not shun him. Embrace your fellow autists.

>>24581799
>our goals
>we're leejun amirite?

Also Porygon2 has been getting loadsa use lately.

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r8 my hairline

>>24582051
hueg/10

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CLAIM YOUR VGCFU BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE DOES (FAGS CAN PLAY TOO, CHOOSE A BOY!!!!)

PIC RELATED, CLAIMED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3b6azj7PAk

>aaron calls gourgeist simply pumpkin

cute

>>24584561
tfw no snarky ryuzaki gf

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>>24584561
Alex is mine.

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>>24585235
nice choice
>>24584985
ikr, she knows about 4chan and internet lore and shit. literally the ultimate waifu. big shouts out to maski, runner up waifu

>>tfw going to start a playthough of black but have literally no idea on how battling works

I get what physical walls, sweepers etc are and roughly how EVs work but I don't understand when to switch to another pokemon in battle. So my problem isn't so much in the set-up of the game, but in actually playing the game itself.

Any tips?

>>24578171
Vivillon and moltres

>>24585960
>Black
I'd wait until playing gen 6 before you worry about online battling

>>24586001
It's one of my mates, we'll be battling as we each play the game but he actually knows what he is doing

>>24585235
Not fair I want Alex too. I'd dress him up in cute clothes.

>page 10
The hell...why are we so dead?

>>24590345
new ruleset drops in december, no big events until then

>>24591896
"rototiye"

>>24592659
How is it pronounced? I assumed it was French and somewhat similar to how he pronounced it.

>>24592679
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rototiller

>>24592679
It's a tiller that rotates, figure it out

>>24590727
Really? I'm new to VGC but it's my understanding that they already started the VGC '16 series. Is there still a chance they will change the format? I'd be so stoaked.

>>24592949
Yeah the first few regionals of the season are played in the old format. We don't know that they'll actually change the format, but they usually do around december.

I just hope they won't allow non-pentagon. ;~;

So Safety Goggles CM Cress is a trend now? I just faced it twice in a row, they were all Rocky Helmet last time I laddered

it's annoying as fuck

I never learned how to look at speed tiers; it looks so fucking cluttered and confusing. How much speed EVs do you guys think I can take off an AV Adamant Lando without getting outsped by treats? I kinda want a bit more bulk, but I don't want to reduce its power.

>>24592949
yeah, there was already a run of regionals in october but between then and december there's not much. personally I'd be surprised if they changed the ruleset but anything's possible

sidenote: did you pick up your sludge bomb zoroark mystery gift? it's level 50, use it at your local regional :)

>>24593401
Kee Berry is another one to look out for. SG was never too uncommon though.
Toxic Aegislash on BS is a total god against CM Cress + Kang.

>>24593412
Depends on what you want to outpseed, you could drop to 135 and still be faster than positive base 70s (Breloom). I wouldn't go slower than this personally, but I only have experience using Jolly AV Lando-T with the extra bulk coming out of attack, the damage is still good.

>>24584561
Wolfe.

>>24593412
Just take note of the most important Pokemon and decide if it's important for something to outspeed it or not. There are some significant milestones though which I'd say are 106, 122, 135, 140, 152, 170 and then all the sanic stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa2PYkMOOiw

new road to ranked

>>24593600
Sorry for the dumb question, it's late here: what are some notable pokemon that hit each of those speed benchmarks?

>>24578171
>>24596902
>http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/vgc-15-pokemon-speed-tiers/
>106:
rotom-A with no speed and 1 point faster than suicune/cresselia with no investment
>122:
neutral nature max base 70 (bisharp),
>135:
1 point faster than positive nature max base 70 (breloom)
>140:
1 point faster than max speed smeargle (positive nature base 75)
>152:
neutral nature max speed base 100 (kanga, charizard, etc) 1 point faster than positive max speed rotom-a
>170:
1 point faster than positive max base 102 (garchomp)
and may I add
>177:
1 point faster than positive max speed terrakion/infernape (base 108)
>179:
positive max speed thundurus incarnate (base 111) and 1 point faster than positive max speed base 110 (latios, raichu, gengar)
>189:
positive max speed mega salamence(base 120), 3 points faster than max speed scarf tyranitar, 5 point slower than weavile (base 125), 2 points slower than max speed greninja
>198:
scarf neutral nature max speed base 80 (mamoswine, blaziken)
>200:
positive max speed base 130 (mega gengar, aerodactyl)
>215:
1 point faster than scarf neutral max speed landorus therian(+1 speed base 91), 1 point slower than positive max speed mega sceptile/beedril, 2 points slower than positive nature max speed blaziken after a speed boost

>>24597058
Adding timid heatran at 141

>>24585355
Who is she?

>>24597058
add 57 too, which is 1 point slower than min speed aegislash

>>24597058
>>24597141
>>24598128

These are really nice to have. I'll put them into a pastebin (that we could add to the OP?) later on today for easy access unless someone else beats me to it

>>24597058
It's probably because I just woke up but

>rotom-a

What's that?

>>24598191
might as well add these, though they're not very common
225, scarf modest hydreigon
244, modest ludicolo/megaswampert in rain
258, adamant mega salamence after a dragon dance
264, modest venusaur in sun
274, modest kingdra in rain
280, adamant excadrill in sand

>>24598471
is the convention for every non-ghost rotom form, like rotom-h, rotom-w, etc. they all have the exact same stats.

>>24598471
Rotom-Appliance
Just refers to the non-base forms.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-290069293

Make sure your team isn't weak to Intimidate and if it is, make sure you bring a Milotic or some shit.

cyberstream

twi tch tv / cybertronvgc

Got a bit late but managed to watch the game against the 1500s shitter.

>>24579323
What spreads do people use for sableye?

>>24604124
I just use a standard 252 hp / 252 spdef careful nature spread

>>24604124
252 hp / 20 def / 236 spdef Calm/Careful

The defence is to survive LO Brave Bird from Talonflame.

>>24605732
But how common is Talonflame anymore? Plus, you could always have an intimidate user on your team

>>24597145
ryuzaki

How do you all feel about M Charizard X? I don't like the DD version, I prefer the Wolfe Glick style W-o-W version. I'm running the team he used at worlds (the same Pokemon) and it's doing fairly well.

hey I'm trying to get back into vgc
what has changed since the launch of ORAS?
(^:

>>24606672
That's not a picture of her, she is the other one with red hair

>>24607154
it's bretty good, i've been wanting to use it, but got distracted with other mons. if a team relies on wow to deal with physical attackers, you can do some good damage without much attack investment

>>24608256
>>24597145
it's natalie k-something, some weird polish name. goes by maski

Has anyone had success using m-venusaur lately? Or is the meta too offensive for it to still be effective?

>>24611829
Accccg to https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wWlc2pD_F19DMn6m2kzhdzvz-e1ed_1Pqy356eGqMjo/edit#gid=391351908
It's the second most popular mega (Kang obviously number 1) in UK PC Top Cuts. Mostly thanks to two players having pretty consitent results.
It also had two 5-2 finishes at worlds.
I think it's really good especially when paired with Aegi (to handle Cress/Gardevoir) and Intimidators to keep Kang at bay.

>>24612984
>Accccg
Is meant to be 'According'; I hate this keyboard.

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I love gengar but I hate how frail he is, is he really that frail or my expectations are to high ? Since I usually play with bulky pkmns and all

>>24613207

Too

Fuck

>>24605987
It's not much investment so you might a well put the 20 in defence just in case you come across a brave bird

>>24613207
I doubles it needs focus sash as it's OHKO'd by more or less anything relevamt that's Super Effective and doesn't take strong neutral hits well either.

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Tell me your toughts about Mega Ampharos.

It has a unique typing and can hit 99% of everything for at least neutral damage (give it HP Fire and Ferrothorn is not a problem anymore). Has the same special attack of Mega Garde but lacks a super stronk spread move to spam.

It's quite slow but still above TR common mons, but yeah TR helps it a lot. It has 90/105/110 bulk and 4 weaknesses (Dragon is uncommon, Ice is indeed everywhere and so are Fairy and Ground, these last two are mostly spread moves though) but also gains many resistances (most notable Flying and Fire). Depending on how you play it you can delay going mega to avoid certain moves from one-shotting it and turning things around (think Ice Beams and the like).

It's very limited in movepool and Mold Breaker isn't useful 100% of the time but at least you don't have to worry about Lightningrod or any other ability for that matter.

The biggests threats to it are Earthquake and Fairy Hyper Voice spam (also Kang but who doesnt have problems with that cunt) but it fares great against CharY and MegaMence (beware of Draco Meteors otherwise you win most of the time) and depending on how you play it also Rain.

It's a great bulky special attacker that is sure to put a dent on you opponents team most of the time. Maybe not a centerpiece for a team but it's not as bad as you might think.

>>24597058
Surely 167 (one point faster than M-Kangaskhan, Charizard, Zapdos, Entei, M-Gardevoir, Salamence Volcarona) is more notable than 170 (One point faster than Garchomp)?

>>24614292
Literally every time I've played against Mega Ampharos it's been absolutely useless. It shouldn't be that much worse than Abomasnow, Camerupt and Slowbro, but it seems to only be used by idiots who can never even set trick room up successfully.

>>24614292
its bad. don't handicap yourself by using it
>>24613207
gengar is decent. but sash gengar is only really popular in like, Germany. it is versatile, it was WoW for mega kangaskhan, icy wind for salamence, sludge bomb for mega gardevoir. but when I use it I prefer a simple set of sludge bomb/shadow ball/wow/protect, you can catch a lot of people trying to cheeky fake out your gengar turn 1. goggles gengar is fun. it also gets taunt, disable, destiny bond.

>>24614292
it severely lacks the standard of power set by other megas, 90bp moves aren't good enough

>>24614292
I wish it had a better ability.

>>24614292
Electric terrain is a cool move to use in the 3rd slot. Prevents sleep spam (amoonguss) against you in TR and gives you the 50% boost to TBolt.

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Charizard @ Charizardite X
Blaze/Jolly
244 HP / 108 Atk / 40 Def/ 108 Spe
-Flare Blitz
-Will-o-Wisp
-Roost
-Protect

108 Speed EVs outspeed max speed M-Gyarados, Adamant Assault Vest Landorus-T, and max speed Kangaskhan before it goes Mega.

108 Atk EVs 1HKO's 252 HP Aegislash while in Shield Form, 4 HP Thundurus, and ALL Amoonguss %100 of the time. Has a good chance to 1HKO specially defensive Thundurus. 1HKO's M-Kangaskhan after Double-Edge recoil.

252 HP and the remaining EVs dumped into Def for bulk allow it to survive just about anythting, especially after an Intimidate. Add in Burn Atk reduction from W-o-W and chip damage and you have a moderately fast, bulky, offensive powerhouse with the ability to rest HP.

Support it with Intimidate, I run Scrafty AND Labdorus, as did Wolfe Glick in Worlds 201t. He placed 12th and his team stuck out like a sore thumb. I believe this is the set he used, if not very close to it. He also ran specially defensive Pomemon such as Zapdos and Milotic to support Zard-X.

A team as such does INCREDIBLY well vs. CHALK and cripples any teams with an emphasis on physically offensive attackers. Can deal with other threats moderately well. I've been running this team with Aegislash on Showdown an peaked around 1400, amd I'm Not Great.

What are your thoughts?

>>24615161
252 HP *

>>24615161
I just go full zerg with 252 atk / 252 speed / 4 def
Flare Blitz, Dragon Claw, Dragon Dance and Protect.
Though I should probably move the EVs, but it's fun to one shot a lot of things with Flare Blitz +1.

>>24615161
I used 172 HP / 20 Atk / 92 Def / 108 SpDef / 116 Speed with Careful Nature.
Protect / Flare Blitz / Will-O-Wisp / Roost
The speed it's to screw Breloom and I forgot the rest, it worked but I liked Azumarill+Amoonguss more, and sent CharX to the thrash as it didn't net me any good result.

Also, I made Top 8 in the PC of my country after a 6-0 in swiss but lost to a stupid Rock Slide Hawlucha that flinched me three times in a row. Ironically enough it flinched three times my Landorus.
Thoughts?

>>24615161
Do you have any replays?

>>24616470
I've been at work all weekend, I'll get some and post tomorrow.

>>24616260
I feel like thats a more bulky, specially defensive variant. You're honestly probably a much better player than I am, and I haven't been to any events, but I respect Wolfe as a player and I think he found a good way to make it playable which is why I used his Worlds team.

The strategy I use each match is to identify their big threats and if they are mostly special or physical. Physical, I bring CharX and Scrafty or Lando. If they don't have a Bisharp or Milotic and are full of physical threats I'll bring both.

If they are specially offensive, I bring Zapdos and Scrafty for sure. I've given my Scrafty Assault Vest and Snarl over Protect.

Weather, I've found, gives me the most trouble. Zapdos and Scrafty help in rain and Scrafty does well in sand.

Scrafty and Milo work well under Trick Room but I can typically cripple their big hitters anyway.