Rosa or Hilda?

>>22821754
All of them.

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>>22821782

>>22821754
Hilda is the best designed protagonist
Rosa is the worst designed protagonist
It's not up for debate

>>22821844
Yeah rosa wins

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>>22821754
Rosa all day erry day. She is the qtest pokegrill to date, shes got it all, bewbs, cute hair style, leggings, dem bewbs, nice ass, milk

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Hilda for sure. Rosa's eyes look weird to me.

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>>22821754
Is there even a choice here?
Rosa!

>>22821754
Rosa. Hilda looks like a whore.

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>>22821754
Do you even need to choose?

>>22821754
Rosa. She is definitely the prettiest of the two and I love it.

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>>22821998
She doesn't look bad in her original artwork, but I'm >>22821992, so I am still with Rosa

>>22821754
http://strawpoll.me/3654905
Let's decide this once and for all
(I prefer Leaf, though)

Anyone who wears a visor should immediately be dumped into a blender

Hilda a best

Top two girls but I have to go with Rosa. I actually like the "stars in eyes" aesthetic.

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I like rosa better but hilda is pretty great too

>>22821844
>having a wrong opinion
>"not up for debate"

kek

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any other answer is wrong

>>22821844
No, you're just a faggot with complete shit taste.

>>22821754
Rosa. Only retarded shitposting hipsters will hate her perfection.

Hilda all the way! Ponytail > Pigtails

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Rosa, hands down.

>>22821754
Goddamn, Pokegirls need more messy hair. Leaf, May and Hilda are driving my cock crazy and not just because of those tits.

Hilda is more wild.
Rosa is more lewd.

They're both hot as fuck. Let's not argue.

>>22821754
Rosa's design is just embarrassing

>>22825160
You sound like a faggot.

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I choose GARY

I really just cannot get into Rosa's design at all. It looks slapped together.

Hilda is the best player design of either gender. Everything about her works.

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>>22821754
Lyra

>>22821754
Hilda > Serena > Rosa > May > Leaf > Dawn > Lyra

Hilbert > Red > Ethan > Brendan > Calem > Lucas > Nate

>>22825923
>anyone worse than Brendan
>Serena better than everyone but Hilda

>>22821754
Rosa may have good tits, but nothin' beats Hilda's ass game.

Plus, she's got a much better sense of fashion than rosa, who's wardrobe is only ok if you are a fetishist.

More Hilda. More Rosa.

>My waifu Tier
Leaf
>High Tier
Hilda
Serena
>Mid Tier
May
Dawn
>Low Tier
Kris
Rosa
>Your waifu a shit Tier
Lyra

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>>22826935
>mai waifu is better than everyone else
>Rosa that low
>Dawn higher
>May not specified as ORAS

Wait, how the hell is possible Hilda is leading the survey while almost everyone here said Rosa is better?

>>22821754
Kris

>>22821754
Hilda is realistic.

Rosa is ideal.

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>>22821844
> Hilda
> best designed protagonist

>>22825923
>Brendan not dead last for boys
>Lyra being dead last for girls

>>22829828
>Lyra is dead last
As would be expected of a correct list.

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>>22825131
Rosa sounds like she'd be more fun. Hilda seems like the type that would freeze in awkward silence if you ask her to do half the shit Rosa would try for you.

>>22825923
>Lyra
>worst
Holy shit, /vp/ is full of faggots today.

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>>22825923
>Ethan not top dog.
>Brendan not last
>Lyra lower than Ms. No-Canon and Diamond Dandruff.

While I agree Rosa is better, making me choose between the two is cruel.

They're both the best girls as far as the protagonist designs go. Dunno what made Black/White have the best designs, but whatever.

Except Nate.

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>>22821754
>Marry Rosa
>Fuck Hilda

>>22829859
It is the worst, you faggot. It's so obvious.

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Cute (while wierd) hairstyle, that genuine happy smile, nice ass and dem leggings.

Although the leggings themselves make her the best.

Best protag yet

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Whenever I see rosa's innocent smile, it makes want to ravage her pussy while in missionary position, staring at her blushing, hot face moaning as she desperately squirms around trying to take the relentless penetration I cause her, only to then ejaculate inside her, take my penis out and watch all the cum spill out of her pussy as she tries to hide her embarassing state.

Proving that only shitposters and plebeians hate Rosa.

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>>22832710
lmao

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uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Rosa

Milk

>>22834061
>top pulled up

Are you trying to piss me off?

>>22834267
Wanna post some more while you're already inevitably going to be b&?

>>22821754
Hilda

More Rosa.

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>>22823318
What if Rosa with Ponytail.
Will you change your opinion ?

>>22835530
>Rosa with anything but buntails

No.

>>22834061
>>22834267
At like what? 14? Just, how

Not that Im complaining

>>22821754
Why not both?

>>22821754
Rosa fucking sucks.

Team Hilda 25/8 366

So much shit taste. You faggots can like both.

>>22834267
20 hours ago. kek

>36 Rosa
>23 Hilda
Welp

Hilda imo, rosa looks like one of those spoiled bitches with shit for brains.

>>22843596
It's a normal shirt and a skirt with stockings and more colorful hair. Stop being retarded.

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Hilda is the best female protagonist. I used to hate Rosa but all of you dipshits' posting of her has made me like her a bit more.

Leaf

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i think i like both but look at that rosa

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>>22843466
Well, the truth speaks for itself

>>22845933
No pantyhose no deal

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Reviving dead thread since I went through the trouble of making this

>>22852964
um the text on the right gets cut off

>>22853186
fuck I probly should've checked on that... I don't know if i can fix it give me a bit to try

>>22829859
Lyra best grill

>>22852964
>>22853186
nope nothing I could do to fix it didn't save original text files and I can't recover it either. The jist of it is the pictures and lists though

>>22845933
Where the fuck are the pantyhose?

>>22854269
Spats>>>>>>>>>>pantyhose

>>22832679
>>22832680
>>22832699
>>22832724
>>22832770
>>22832834
Something happened. I don't know what it was, but something happened.

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I like Rosa when her size is exaggerated, but most other cases Hilda is best.

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>>22857331
as well as when she overwhelms Roxie.

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>>22857355
HNNNGGG

>>22857355
>Hilda
>no breasts

>>22848623
>>22854269
Guys, relax, spats are awesome.

>>22857721
I will consider this.

>>22826935
This is the best list I've ever seen on this board.

>>22857331
Why is there so much fanart?

>>22829823
Well put.

>>22852964
I love this.

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Wes.

>>22862191
We're talking about 2 girls specifically, you fuck.

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>>22862253
Do I know that?
Yes.
Do I care?
No.

>you will never breastfeed off Rosa as a newly hatched Pokemon

>>22862280
good for you homo lust.
hoped i didn't triggered you tumblr fag :^)

>>22862280
dat wes

>>22862895
i know that feel

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>>22857355

What would their milk taste like?

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Can Hilda do this?

>>22865068
She's perfect.

>>22852964
Autism speaks volumes

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Don't know why I love these pics so much.

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>>22821754

Mom

May has best lingerie. Hilda close second.

>>22867091
II and IV had the worst moms. V is good. I and III, holy fucking shit.

>>22865688
Because they're cute.

>>22862280
Fuck it. Wes was the best, but it's not for this thread.

>>22867091
>Grace will be worked in this picture
How excited are you?

>>22825923
>dawn that low
Nah nigga, you wrong

>>22825598
Only wearing a skirt with pantyhose looks out of place. Stop making shit up. If it weren't there, there wouldn't be any argument.

>>22825923
>Leaf that low
It's like you don't even Pokémon, anon-kun

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>You will never hear Rosa arguing with her mom in broken Chinese about you when she takes you home.

It hurts to live.

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>>22821754
you forgot the obvious choice.

Hilda all the way.
You can't make me change my mind.

>>22872999
Only thing she was good for was starting female trainers and they would have done that by Gen V anyways.

>>22872991
Don't do this to me, man.

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>>22874538
You could have been a Mareep instead of a crappy human and enjoy a paralyzed Mei...

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Hilda, nignogs.

>>22875168
Over the line.

People found out how long ago how to make Misty, May and Dawn one. I know there is a way to successfully fuse Hilda with Rosa.

>>22879345
Meiko
Toumei
Hilsa
Rosilda/Rosalda
WhiFai

Can't say I'm particular on any of those. Then again, Dismay barely sounds like a name in on itself.

Shouldn't we add [rival] Serena into the mix? Y'know for stability?

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By the way, can someone tell me where Roxana/rosa pairing come from.
I know both coming as new character from B/W 2, but thats it. I saw no chemistry on them
Or did I miss something ?

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>>22882155
Roxanne and Rosa are a couple? When did this happen?

>>22882327
>tfw no Roxanne and Rosa yuri
>tfw the two best girls in pokemon will never be together
hold me /vp/

>>22880236
No. This is explicitly a fusion of Hilda and Rosa, 2 different shades of perfection.

Maybe Rosa's buntails and pantyhose combined with Hilda's ponytail and jacket.

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>>22882155
You mean Roxie.

And it's just because opposites attract and such. The characters were announced alongside each other, and people thought that they complimented each other well.

>flat, punk, rebellious, stylized bright hair
>squishy bewbs, has a frilly skirt, looks bubbly, long brown hair

>>22852964
>Lyra a best confirmed

>>22821754
ORASMay=AnimeSerena>Hilda>May>Rosa>Serena>Dawn>Leaf>Crystal

>>22882439
Ah, right Roxie.
Now that's you mention it, both have opposite body.
Thanks anon.

>>22882502
>that defeat pose

FUCK.

>>22882394
>pantyhose
You mean leggings.

>>22882502
>Anime Serena on the list
>No Lyra
>2 Mays

Get out.

>>22882583
Leggings then.

>Rosa's buntails with Hilda's messier longer hair
>Rosa's shirt cut down to short sleeves to fit with Hilda's jacket
>Hilda's shorts with Rosa's leggings

It sounds as good as it could get. It takes the best things from each of them and carefully blends them together.

Hilda the best ass and face

Hilda is amazing
rosa a shit, seems like those try hard cute girls who speaks horrible weaboo

hilda seems more down to earth

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>>22883036
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>>22883043
commence hilda take over

submit to the ass anons

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>>22883056
only beta faggots don't like hilda because they remind them of girls who would never date them

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>>22883094
w-why don't you like me anon?

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>>22883101
would you like me if I wore pigtails?

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>>22883120
Hilda wears other clothes the best tho

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>>22883128

>>22883111
>>22883115
You have neither the face nor the image for that hairstyle.

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>>22883135
I just want you to like me anon..

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>>22883142
>wanting to like some beta faggots
Come on son

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>>22883164

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>>22883165
your right anon..
i should definitely look to find a real man who can handle me..
someone who can appreciate my assets

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>>22883188

pacing myself before i dump some of the more lewder art

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>>22883208
I think it's time

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>>22883266

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>>22883272

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>>22883274

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>>22883277
s-such a perv anon

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>>22883283

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>>22883286

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>>22883292

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>>22883298
I think that's all for tonight anons

I hope you all enjoyed all I could give

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>>22883301
please remember touko/hilda is love

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>>22883307
g-goodnight anons

>>22829807
maybe because hilda fans are less lousy faggots ?

>>22829823
ideal ? sorry luke, this is your sister... btw, 70's called, they wanted their haircut back

well, rosa's cloth are a mess, her hairstye is ridiculous and the thing she wears on her head is not sold since more than 15 years. she is litteraly B2/W2's worst dawnside.

>>22883304
triggered
faggot

>>22883347
You do know that Star Wars lifted that hairstyle from Asian culture? Google "Ox Horns"

>>22883495
well... and ? the game is supposedly taking place in manhattan, that's kind of far from asian culture.
anyway, it's outdated, childish and ridiculous.

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>>22821754
Both of them are massive cum sluts, I'll take my pure, virging waifu thanks.

>>22883036
I love Hilda and Rosa. Fuck off and kill yourself.

>hurr sluts
>tryhard
>they're both shit, this girl is better

Faggots and retards with shit taste everywhere. I should have just let this shitty thread die the moment it became about shitting on the other.

>>22883036
>buns are tryhard and weeaboo

Only the skirt is wrong with her. This thread only proves the only faggots who hate Rosa are shitposting or outright retarded and making pathetic excuses to be contrarian.

>>22867091
V>III>I>>IV>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>II

>>22885246
>V is the best just because Gen V was best

No one can compete with Delia.

>>22885026
Every Girl vs Girl thread ever.

Leaf's still better than both though.

>>22867091

II looks so trashy

>>22883161
Get that shit out of here.

I don't even want to look at the not shitty Hilda images just because that poster was such a fucking faggot.

Are we still posting Rosa?

>>22883586
>What is Immigration?
>What is "The Melting Pot"
>What is Chinatown?
Yeah, okay.

>>22885306
Hilda's mom and Grace sure can.

I don't know if I should replay BW2 or not.

I forgot how much the starters suck.

>>22885840
Don't argue with retards who don't know what they're talking about.

More Rosa. Shitposters who can't appreciate both won't ruin this thread.

Why can't we just have a nice thread about both?

>>22888056
I've got some Rosa, going to post as soon I get to my laptop

Quit bumping this shitty thread

>>22891766
fuck off hija de puta

>>22891723
damn anon, I wanted to post that...my laptop is finally accessible

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>>22891811
And here we go!

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>>22891850

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>>22891879
Should be enough for now, but I have moar.

post more hilda pls

>>22891944
Why the starters look injured?

>>22883347
Your posting reeks of faggot and there's not even the slightest ounce of quality in it. I don't even care how old this is. Get the fuck out and kill yourself, you retarded piece of shit.

Tell me not all Hildafags are like that retard. I want to kill them as painfully as possible just for their shitty posts. They had a bit of shitty images as well that just made Hilda look slutty. Disgusting.

>>22821782
THIS!

>>22821782
THIS!!
no more doubts

>>22892173
who are you talking exactly ? I am the one you are pointing at and I did not post those pics...

I'm just saying that I don't like rosa's haircut, cloth and accessories mainly because the whole thing is retarded.

the only thing the pics are showing is how people fantasize about those fictional characters...

by the way kid, be more polite when you speak to people you don't know, you might actually end up beeing the retarded one...

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>>22891723
Better quality

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>>22892687
Shit, she's already so damn cute in her normal form, this chibi made my moe sensors overheat

>>22892629
>be more polite

I have absolutely no obligation to and I won't. I'm done tolerating retarded faggots and their shitty opinions like that Hildafag from earlier.