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>Mega Swampert is going to be so good on Rain teams! Every

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>Mega Swampert is going to be so good on Rain teams! Every rain team will use it, it just brings so much
>Kingdra and Kabutops are better

>Mega Audino will be THE support pokemon in doubles!
>complete waste of a mega slot in singles and doubles

>Inner Focus might make Mega Gallade bad in singles, but it'll still be useful in doubles!
>significantly better in singles than it is in doubles

>Prankster is a much better ability than Magic Bounce, Mega Sableye is pointless
>single-handedly saved stall teams

>Lopunny will be shit
>it's good

What else were we wrong on? Pic only marginally related.
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>>22400428
Does anyone have any replays of M-Sableye doing work?
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I don't think anyone was trashing cardio rabbit to be honest.

They said it would be terrific against smogon sword until it was proven it would be another 50/50 due to king's shield. And then Aegislash got slashed from ou. So nobody really had any idea how both an Aegislash - less tier would do and even less clue how cardio rabbit would do in a tier without the one match-up everyone was talking about
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people said Megagross was bad.
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>>22400576
People said Metagross was bad AFTER it was released.

Like how wrong can you be.
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>adding dragon and making sceptile's ability lightning rod will make it bad
>turns out to be fantastic, fuck ice, and lightning rod means it rarely ever gets paralyzed

>metagross has been shat on since gen 5 nerfed explosion and Gen 6 gave it two extra weaknesses, the mega won't be good
>ha

>mega Slowbro is gonna be shit if it loses regenerator for shell armor and can't hold leftovers

I feel like people also said Pidgeot might be good with no guard hurricane but I don't think I really heard that enough to say "we" were exactly wrong on that
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>>22400459
bumping for this
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>>22400543
>cardio rabbit
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>>22400611
My phone kept trying to auto correct various forms of Mega Lopunny so I just gave up and started typing that
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>>22400459
>>22400600
Whenever I try to find replays of a specific Pokemon being good, I just go to https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com and then start searching Tourney players hoping to find one.

I really wish there was a search by pokemon function.
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>>22400543
>>22400611
>>22400652
https://www.google.com/search?q=cardio+bunny

Plenty of people thought Mega Loppuny was going to be good, but I doubt most people thought it would be borderline S-rank good.
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mega swampert brings the bulk

so does mega audino

I haven't seen any mega sableyes, 50 HP was pretty bad to try to make him bulky out of.
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>>22400685
Gen 6 Rain has always been about spamming super powerful, super fast water attacks. For bulk they use Ferrothorn and Latias. Swampert is less powerful than Kabutops, not by much though, but significantly less powerful than Specs Kingdra which is still the best Swift Swimmer by a big margin. Swampert's bulk is also somewhat offset by the fact that it has to take a hit when mega evolving.

Mega Audino doesn't really do anything Clefable doesn't. Slowbro, Altaria, Sableye, and even Venusaur are all better defensive megas.

Mega Sableye is super common on the high ladder because, while it's not particularly bulky, it only has one weakness and it gives tons of hazard control to stall teams, which has always been their issue.
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Everyone thought Mega Steelix was bad, even people who liked Steelix.

And they weren't wrong

;_;
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>>22400827
I'm talking about doubles, bulk's a lot more important when you know you have to take a hit even if you can OHKO. You also generally run protect on mega swamp to mega evolve.

Audino has fun support with simple beam, with way higher bulk than clefable, higher than mega altaria as well. It also only has one weakness, which its stab is super effective against. People underestimating 103/126/126 defenses.
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>>22400871
>your bro is shit
>gets mega
>its still shit
>tfw
Th-thanks GF?
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>>22400585
>>22400576
It's bad if you compare it to salamance
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>>22400942
whoops, was thinking of normal audino, mega does get more weaknesses
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>>22400942
In doubles, yeah I agree, Swampert is good for Rain teams.

Mega Audino is absolute trash though. Like sure it sounds okay on paper as a support pokemon, until you realize that the most support-worthy pokemon are OTHER MEGAS. No Follow Me also severely hurts it as a doubles support pokemon, and doubles is also really unkind to passive pokemon that don't have redirect moves. Its best use is a gimmick with Simple Beam but normal Audino can do that anyway.
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>>22400998
>no follow me severely hurts it
you make it sound like that's a support requirement.
its pretty dangerous with calm mind drain kiss set. simple beam can also put a big hamper on sylveon and megamence in this meta. Healer ability has also helped me a lot dealing with all the t-wavers. normal audino doesn't have nearly the bulk, its mega got 40 points each in both defenses.
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>>22401032
>>you make it sound like that's a support requirement.
It is when you're too passive. Even Cresselia's usage has plummeted compared to last gen, it only gets away with it due to having actually some offensive presence and being the best TR setter.

>calm mind
A lot of things can do this without taking mega slot
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>>22400428
>Mega Swampert is going to be so good on Rain teams! Every rain team will use it, it just brings so much
>Kingdra and Kabutops are better
Why is op so bad at pokemon
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>>22400428
Aegislash won't be banned
Charizard X and Y won't make Charizard rise in usage
ORAS will have a deep replayable post game.
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>>22401056
cresselia is common as hell, and mega audino has higher special attack. I don't see how other things having calm mind means mega audino cant use it.
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>>22400673

I fucking called that shit.

I also knew Gallade would get mad high stats to go with its shitty ability.

What you said matches my expectations of Metagross. Didn't think it would be S rank.
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>>22400428

>Shell armor is a dreadful ability for Mega Slowbro
>Becomes an unkillable tank after two calm
minds

>Mega Metagross will be UU, at most
>Most competitive players think the next Smogon suspect for OU will be Mega Metagross

>With the genVI weather nerf all weather teams will become obsolete
>More rain teams than ever

btw OP you're right about Mega-Sableye being a strong stall poke but I would hardly call it the "savior" of stall.
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>>22401060
It sucks bro. Kingdra and Kabutops are stronger, don't take up a mega slot and don't waste an extra rain turn like Mega Swampert does.
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>>22401060
The number of things that Swampert can only 3HKO is fairly high. Very, very few things can avoid 2HKO or OHKO from Kingdra. Swampert is bulkier but it was to take hits Kingdra doesn't. Kabu and Swampert are about the same level though, I disagree with OP there. But "every rain team" is definitely untrue, the fighting-type megas are still more common and it's Kingdra that's compulsory for Rain.

Swampert is good in doubles though, but because Ludicolo was the only good Swift Swimmer to begin with.
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>>22401127
Kingdra fills a different role and you can't exactly replace it with a physical attacker like m-swampert. Trying to make the argument that it's better doesn't make sense since you wouldn't get rid of it anyway.

Mega Swampert, stat wise is far stronger than kabutops. The only downside to running it is the first turn speed before swift-swim activates.

The majority of rain teams I've played recently have had mega swampert with preference over kabutops.
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I actually thought Mega Audino was going to be great.

I had used regular Audino in doubles in XY and it worked good, so I thought mega Audino was going to be THE shit.

I was so wrong.
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>>22401175
Another example of gamefreak being lazy and giving something a mega evolution rather than what would have been better, just a normal evolution.
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>>22401164
>Mega Swampert, stat wise is far stronger than kabutops.
Kabutops outdamages Swampert because it can hold a Life Orb. And if you want to pull the LO recoil or muh bulk cards, Swampert is still forced to eat a hit every time it mega evolves.
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Mega Leavanny when
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>>22401230
protect
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I don't think anybody said m-audino would be good.
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>>22401247
>wasting a turn of rain
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>>22400543
You're forgetting you would be playing games with kings shield if you wanted to use to against aegi.

I think it'll see most attention once megagross is gone and "maybe" mega slowbro.
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>>22401254
oh no, not a turn of rain. I take it back, I'll take the unscouted grass hit
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>>22401247
>wasting a turn of rain
>losing coverage
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>>22401127
Kingdra and Swampert/Kabutops aren't comparable. One is a special sweeper the other is physical they aim to take out different targets. anyways most teams use all 3 or they sub out kabutops because swampert has the bulk to take a hit when the team really needs it. Due to how fucking weak rain tends to be to bisharp, like almost all ho/balance teams are also most swampert sets run manual rain in order to have another reliable setter once toed goes down, it's nice to be able to get some breathing room by sacking toed instead of letting something necessary take extra dmg.
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>>22401230
>Implying kabutops isn't a glass cannon and can take more than two neutral hits.

Also forgetting mega swampert has stab access to eq as well as ice punch.

The only real perks of kabutops over swampert over than the first turn speed different with mega evolution, is the access it has to stone miss and aqua jet.

Outside the rain kabutops is nearly useless where mega swampert is still a legitimate threat.
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>>22401277
>unscouted grass hit
>anything runs grass coverage outside of grass types and greninja
wh-what game are you playing again?
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>>22401331
why the stutter
giga drain volcarona for one
its also stopping will o wisps and t-waves
its also wasting the opponents attacks if they wanna double up on me to get rid of my mega.
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>>22401319
> he didn't even mention the main reason it's used and probably doesn't know.
You can just drop the argument instead of fanboying over swampert.
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>>22400428
>People were confidently saying swampert will be OU
> UU
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>>22401390
Not that anon, but is it for Rapid Spin?
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>>22401390
Do you even play competitive Pokemon above shit tier kid?
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>>22401423
Rapid spin kabutops
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>>22401423
Yeah
>>22401425
I'm asking you buddy. I'm doubting you ran a rain team to any success.
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>>22401390
please enlighten us anon
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>>22401439
It's basically a staple unless you are running a SD cleaning set.
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>>22401462
>Spin support main perk of having kabutops

Nice b8
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>>22400428
>we
OP, some of us WEREN'T retarded.
I know there were a few not-stupid people backing me up on Mega-Sableye being good.
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>>22401484
No, you're just bad. You spin and then die to whatever hits you.

If you weren't shit tier you'd run an alternate defogger/spinner
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>>22401465
>What is first copypaste smogon set for kabutops
> look at moveset stats
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>>22401493
> spin then die
That's sounds more like your problem
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this is why we cant discuss things
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>>22401495
>Implying Smogon sets are all really good now..

Anon pls try less. Good luck topping to OU ladder with your smogon copasta
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>>22401505
Kabutops = definition of tanky spinner, amright?
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>>22401528
> reading comprehension
How are you so dense. Look at moveset stats. Don't talk of topping ladder as if you are going to pull one off with a rain team with protect swampert
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>>22401555
Different person anon.
You're probably some bad who has never surpassed 1400 on the ladder, not going to hold that against you though. Good luck with your smogon approved sets.

Oh and nice numbers
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>>22401539
Never said it was tanky.
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>>22401576
>>22401555
>>22401495


If this is samefag please stop talking.
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>>22401568
I guess you lost then. Ad hominem and such. Good look watching YouTube and thinking you're some expert.
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>>22401555
>Look at moveset stats.
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>>22401604
Anon, what makes you think you're not shit?
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>>22400428
>kingdra and kabutops are better
HAHAHAHAHA
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>>22401610
Did you just jump in without reading the thread. This started about OU singles. better start scrolling for it now
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>>22401636
>Typical smogonfag doesn't think outside of their own meta.

Where does OP state that these only applies to Smogon tiers?
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>>22401618
What makes you think I am? Because I hazard support my kabutops?
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>>22401654
yeah hazard support on a sweeper....

I'll leave you to figure this one out anon, you'll get there eventually
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>>22401636
>This started about OU singles
wasnt mentioned anywhere, several posts talking about swampert being better in doubles though.
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>>22401653
In doubles yeah swampert is great. But I told you to look up moveset stats for kabutops and you completely back pedaled out of the argument.
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>>22400428
>>it's good
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>>22401672
different anon, anon

be less new
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>>22401665
Pretty much a rain version of sand rush exa.
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>>22401693
yeah rapid spin wasn't the choice move if you wanted to sweep a team with sr drill

sd/eq/rock slide/iron head

rapid spin allowed opponent to make a switch into a check/counter or hit you for some good damage.
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>>22401717
I said earlier >>22401484
You'd run RS unless it's a SD cleaning set.
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>>22401717
has a point

>>22401693
kinda counterproductive to the entire idea of a sweeper
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>>22401738
I said unless you are running SD set its the preferred move but anon can't read today.
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>>22400971
M-salamence is bad compared to M-Ray

M-salamence should be in UU because of this
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>>22401752
yep kabutops = rain exca

keep riding on that thought and link me your reddit account so I can pass some gold
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>>22401755
this was verlisify only. I'm psure most people saw mence was broken before it was even released on ps
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>>22401763
Sorry I don't browse reddit but I understand where you were from now.
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>>22401788
is this samefag just trying to defend his shitty kabutops set?

>Thinking mega pidgeot would get some sweet coverage moves
>Nope
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>>22401804
no guard hurricane is nice
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>>22401804
If the standard set is shitty yes. mega pidgeot is a lost cause though.
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>>22401815
True

But would have been nice with something like focus blast and/or blizzard.

Think this is probably what's holding it back from being UU viable.
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>>22400543
It checks megamom fairly well, low kick 1 shots her
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>>22400428
What megas do rain teams usually run over Pert?
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>>22401965
There is no other mega that really benefits greatly from the rain in the same way pert does.
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>>22400428
we dont need a dail y reminder that 4chan is a retarded shitplace for noobs who dont have any clue about competitive, OP.
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>>22401983
How about those that help the better rain sweepers do their jobs?
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>>22400428
>mfw there are Swampertfags who legit thought Swift Swim would make Pert Uber
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>>22401965
Heracross is very popular on rain.

M-Scizor is really hard to deal with when a stray HP Fire can't kill it.

M-Metagross too, because again Ferro+benefits from Fire reduction, but Megagross fits on pretty much any offensive team.
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i like that the more megas get banished to uber, the more megas people start figuring out are good.

i think a lot of people were wrong about pinsir and heracross. and IRC people were even wrong about kanghaskhan and predicted UU initially.
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>>22402081
Oh way back when we didn't understand how those abilities work. I do remember someone saying yveltal was going to be high UU at best.
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>>22402116
And heracross didn't really shine pre Aegislash.
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>>22401231
Bug/Fairy
Pure Power
Gets Play Rough
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>>22401112
>more rain teams than ever
>more than ever
You obviously didn't play gen 5, where 8/10 teams were rain teams, and the other two were sand and sun teams.

Rain teams are still good, I won't deny that, but it'll never be as good or as common as it was in gen 5.
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>>22400597
Bruh who knew Metagross would get 110 base speed. That shit came from left field.
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>>22402178
The site description says it gets a huge boost in speed. Wasn't really a surprising outcome.
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Mega Sableye was real shit on paper though. It was not just /vp/ being retarded, everyone and their mom thought it would be ass.

No one thought it would be good, much less the savior of stall.
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>>22400597
>adding dragon and making sceptile's ability lightning rod will make it bad
>turns out to be fantastic, fuck ice, and lightning rod means it rarely ever gets paralyzed

Bruh, feels gud Sceptile actually turned out to be great, especially when it seemed so bad on paper.

Could use better Special moves as to not rely on Hidden Power for coverage, but Sub + 3 attacks and Mixed with EQ are doing pretty well for me.
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>>22402293
yee
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>>22402134
i haven't really played much OU in the last week or two, what are the common rain teams relying on for rain? or is it closer to the gen 4 multiple rain-dance users/damp rock electrode lead type teams?
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So glad Lopunny is fucking awesome.
She is so much fun to use and is one of my favorite Pokemon... and I'm not even a furfag.
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>>22401381
>t-wave on swampert
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>>22402293
Yee
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>>22400428
>Kingdra and Kabutops are better
>Kabutops
Gee, the Mon with a worse movepool, lower stats and worse typing. Totally better.
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>Dragon only makes it weaker!
>Lightningrod is pointless on a mon that 4x resists Electric!
>Scrotomwash will just run HPice, you'll never get to switch into electric moves after you Mega!
>its movepool can't support a sweeper build!

How does it feel to be wrong, doubters? Personally, I never felt so good
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>>22402541
I was a skeptical Sceptilefag so Im glad I was wrong

>People keep saying Sceptile would be better in doubles because of Lightning Rod
>Turns out to be better in singles

Ok
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>>22402541
I just bred a 5IV Treecko (only Leech Seed as an egg move). What's a good moveset for it?
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>>22402132

>tfw my shiny is modest nature
>fully evolved in bw
>sticky web is added
>prevo only
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>beedrill will be good it is minmaxed to heck
>it's shit above 1400
>has no moves
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>Lopunny will be shit
Besides the usual shitposters most of /vp/ agreed M-Lopunny would be good.
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>>22402585
Sub with Giga Drain/Focus Blast or Hidden Power/Dragon Pulse
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>>22402293

yee
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Eh sceptile is still terrible
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>>22401965
Most rain teams don't even carry Swampert. Metagross, Scizor and Mawile are all better megas for rain.
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>>22402865
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>>22402884
Sorry I should have worded that better.
Most people past 1700 in battle spot (or at least the 4 rain teams I encountered at that rank) don't even carry mega Swampert on their rain teams.
Mega swampert is a fad and is bound to disappear once people realize how mediocre it actually is.
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>>22402909
wish there was a way to see teams of high ranks

of course as soon as I stop using my own mega swampert team and try out scarf sylveon like all the cool kids are doing, swift swim swampert with helping hand politoed of course outspeeds and KO's both of my guys with earthquake.
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>>22402817
Could use a bit more power, but it does its role just fine for the most part.
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>>22401610
What web site is that
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>>22401804

Why the fuck are you so salty? I'm not even the guy you're arguing against but the Kabutops/Sand Rush Excadrill comparisons were apt. They're both physical Swords Dance weather sweepers, what the fuck is the huge difference between the two that you keep nitpicking like this?
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>>22404239
difference

exca = viable outside of weather and stat wise, good

kabutops = c- rank poke that is near useless outside the rain

anon don't try and act like you know the first thing about competitive, you're clearly bad
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>>22400428
>>Mega Swampert is going to be so good on Rain teams! Every rain team will use it, it just brings so much
>>Kingdra and Kabutops are better
And thats why the top Rain team on the whole ladder never runs M-Swampert!

Oh wait. It does.

You're shit OP.
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>>22404417

He clearly indicated Sand Rush Excadrill, no other variant. And in that respect their almost identical besides sweeping under different weathers. I'm not saying you're exactly bad, but you might have to work on reading comprehension. Also I would bet my life that I'm better at competitive than you.
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>>22401755
M-Salamence actually wins 1vs1 M-Ray, except if Ray has an intact focus sash.
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What happened to Politioed?
>irrelevant for first 4 gens
>drizzle
>suddenly OU
>something in Gen 6 made it irrelevant again
How
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>>22404486
Topping the ladder doesn't mean much. There are much better megas for rain.

>>22404615
It probably had nothing to do with Drizzle getting nerfed

Also it's far from irrelevant
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I'm going to sound like a fag here but all the people hopping on the Rain Train just because Swampert don't know what they're doing.

I disagree with Kabutops being better, but Kingdra is definitely better. There's almost no reason to ever not use it on a Rain team, it's just too good, while there's a good case for using several other megas (Heracross, Altaria, Metagross, etc.) instead of Swampert.

You CAN make a successful Rain team with only Swampert but it will be improved always by using Kingdra.
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>>22403625

u wut m8
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>>22401175
It goes much farther if you have another pokemon supporting it and making it near undefeatable. Anything helps it a lot; sceens, follow me, acupressure, simple beam, trick room, etc. In return, it provides temporary solace with Healer and offensive and defensive power when fully set up. 103/126/126 on top of 2 immunities and 2 semi-common weaknesses makes it a good bet.
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>>22402081
yeah I like when you take away options you need to use what little else you got left!
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>>22402230
>Mega Sableye was real shit on paper though.
How?
People were even theorymonning the CM set that would make it so great.
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>>22404688
what website is that
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>>22404486
Link for the team ? I need it to learn more about rain teams and git gud with them.
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>>22404417
>kabutops = c- rank poke

Actually it's B+ rank

you're just trolling at this point.
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>>22400428
I first thought MSceptile would be bad, but in the monotype format it's exactly what Grass needed.

Thanks, GF.
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>Mega Swampert is going to be so good on Rain teams! Every rain team will use it, it just brings so much
>Kingdra and Kabutops are better
Eh, that electric immunity is pretty helpful on rain teams, but I see what you're saying. It didn't make as big of a splash as expected.

>Mega Audino will be THE support pokemon in doubles!
Nobody said this.

>Inner Focus might make Mega Gallade bad in singles, but it'll still be useful in doubles!
>significantly better in singles than it is in doubles
Gallade is still pretty good in doubles. Wide guard, quick guard, taunt, healing pulse, he's got all sorts of crazy shit to play around with.

>Prankster is a much better ability than Magic Bounce, Mega Sableye is pointless
>single-handedly saved stall teams
This one you got right, and it still makes me laugh. It's up there with people saying mega-Metagross would be UU.

>Lopunny will be shit
Again, I'm not sure anyone said this.
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>>22405017
pokemon-gl isn't it?
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>>22405813
Why is Mega Lopunny good? It doesn't seem as overbearing as some of the other megas. Is it just because of STAB Scrappy?
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>>22405838
Perfect coverage with its 2 STABs, high BP moves (Return, HJK), so it leaves it with a lot of other options like Ice Punch, Fake Out, Encore, Healing Wish, Thunder Wave
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>>22405838
It smashes the shit out of M-Sableye, as well as his common partners, which are often Chansey/Blissey or steel types (to deal with fairies). Beyond that, it's just really fast and can get perfect coverage out of its two STAB attacks. Plus fake out to turn 2HKOs into OHKOs, and then it gets a fourth moveslot to mess around with (encore, healing wish, ice punch, etc.). It's not terribly strong, but it is really useful. Think of it like M-Manectric.
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>>22400428
Mega Swampert-centred team recently won some prestigious japanese tournament so it isn't all that bad.
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>>22405872
The difference is that it can do so much more than Mega-Manectric.
Mega-Manectric pretty much just runs one set.
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>>22405838
it has the opposite of 4MSS

after the mandatory HJK and Return you're left with 2 free moveslots you can customize however you fucking wish, and Lopunny's support movepool is HUGE
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>>22405872
How to M-Manectric?
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>>22407060
thunderbolt, flamethrower, hidden power ice, volt switch

if it's on a rain team, use thunder instead of t-bolt
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>>22400428
Swampert -> Kabutops
What's 10 more damage compared to 150 more bulk?
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>>22400428
Mega Sableye has helped stall just as much as its fucked it over, its a weird balance.
>can make a stall team
>can break an opposing stall team
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>>22405099
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/downpour-peaked-1.3524071/

It's a pretty solid team which topped the ladder when everyone was saying M-pert was shit. Also recently a major Japanese VGC tournament was won by a M-Pert rain team as well.

Rain has always been overpowered as hell and only reason people have jumped off the bandwagon now is because it actually requires practice to use now unliked last gen.
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>>22407131
Are there no options?
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>>22401755
One is a legendary. We're comparing Pseudo legendary Pokemon Megas. Both are still a 100x better than Garchomps, though
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>>22407879
hp grass to kill ground/water types
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