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>Starter guide
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10886965/smtstarterguide.png

>Tips and tricks
http://pastebin.com/qqxkrWFh

>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads
http://pastebin.com/fgVp423S

OST need re-up apparently

>Misc. Translations
http://pastebin.com/LHKVLNQB

>Booru
http://smtg.booru.org/

>Recommended Reading
http://pastebin.com/YppqPPjf

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>KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!
>KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!
>KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!
>KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!
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Accidentally posted in old thread.
In DDS, do hunt skills give you extra atma points, or is it the same amount as killing them normally except it all goes on a single character?
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>>94220746
Yes, Hunt skills grant extra AP to the party member who killed the target with the Hunt skill. Later on you can get a passive skill that shares the AP one person gains for devouring enemies, with the rest of the aprty.
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>>94221089
There's no way I can beat this. I give up. Fusing Yoshua when?
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>>94218035
>KMT and SMT1+2
>waiting for if... to get translated
>old style

Learn Japanese while waiting, or have fun never playing another game.
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>>94218273
When you do a fusion, it looks like it's referring to when Nakajima summons his sword. There was some other small things I remember catching, but fuck if I could tell you WHAT those things were.
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>>94220650
How worthwhile I find talking to NPCs really depends on the game. With newer games, it can be annoying, due to just how many people they can mash in an area. Another issue can be how fast the text boxes are.

Using Persona 2 as an example, I'd like to think I talk to a lot of NPCs, but I don't visit every single location to see every dialogue. I do make an effort to talk to everyone every time I enter an area where I can.
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Is Soul Hackers good or not?
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Why don't any of you upload the OST again?
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>>94222028
What OST?
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>>94222028
Lazy or don't even have it.
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>>94222053
I don't know but it's been part of your OP for a while.

>>94222098
Someone should fix that.
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>>94222131
>I don't know but it's been part of your OP for a while.

You don't know? What?
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>>94221926
It's decent if you actually take two seconds to flip through the manual. Just don't be that guy who complains about the game not stopping you every two seconds to explain every little thing like a modern game would.

The atmosphere and demon negotiations are some of the best in the series.
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Man, Devil Survivor is a lot harder than I recall. Damn civilians, stop dying.
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>>94222146
I'm not going to look through them all but DDS and Nocturne are down.
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>>94222249
I have every soundtrack of SMT, if you want it uploaded I can do it. Which is why I asked which ones were missing.
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>>94222292
Honestly, someone or someones would need to check like... every link.
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>>94222292
I don't want em, i'm just saying should fix it.
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>>94222164
I don't get why a lot of "casuals" are here in this general. They must hate most of the games. What do they see in this series when they complain about most of it as being dated.

>>94222313
Are you that much of a lazy fuck?
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>>94222375
I'm lazy because I don't want to check links for stuff I don't have to upload and replace said dead links?

I guess I am, then.
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>>94222164
Despite what some people were saying, it had a lot of good characters. You just can't expect a Devil Summoner game to have a Persona level character focus. Also, Nemissa might have the most well written character arc in a non-Digital Devil Saga SMT game. She isn't best girl for nothing.
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SMT I Law and Chaos
SJ
P1
P1P
P2 IS/EP everything
P3 everything
P4 everything
Raidou games
Debisama
DDS
OC
DeSu 2 Special Soundtrack
Nine
Imagine

>>94222525
And? I don't have them either, the guy offering asked for the broken ones so he can replace them, is it that much of work to click a link?
You are a lazy fuck.
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>>94222546
Not even taking into account what happens at the end, Spooky is a fascinating dude.
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>>94222292
>DDS MT
OST Part 1&2
>SMT I
Law&Chaos
>Nocturne
OST
Maniacs + Incence
>Strange Journey
OST
>Persona 1
OST part 1&2
P1P
>Persona 2 IS
OST
P2P w bonus disk
The Errors of their youth
>Persona 2 EP
OST Batsu
PSP

I'll keep checking in a bit
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I want to fuck Mirai
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>>94222292
>Persona 3
OST
FES
PSP
Reincarnation
>Persona 4
OST
Reincarnation Animation OST 1&2
Animation Vol 1/1-3/4 Bonus disks
P4G
>Devil Summoner vs Soulless army
OST
>Devil Summoner vs King Abaddon
OST
>DDS
Integral
>Devil Survivor
Overclocked OST
>Devil Survivor 2
Special Soundtrack
>Nine
OST
>Imagine
OST

And all the compilation albums
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>>94223198
I want to fuck you, i like your determination to post this in every thread
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>>94223198

I want to fuck Burroughs.
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>>94223247
>>94222934

The green ones are missing I assume?
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>>94223564
The green ones are the games, the black thing is what is missing from that game
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>>94223610
Alright, let me try uploading one OST, and see where that gets us on repairing that mess.
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http://www.mediafire.com/?54a78znlco5el

This has plenty of OSTs, try checking here for the missing ones before we get any Anons uploading stuff that might already be on there.
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>>94223883
Ok, someone should might as well add this to the op's pastebin
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>>94223883
Is it just me or is SJ not in there?
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>>94223883
>>94224045
Wait, I found it, there seems to be every OST in there.
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>>94224045
Neither is IV. I'm guessing it's a somewhat old bunch of files and the guy hasn't bothered updating them. Still, I added it to favorites for a reason so maybe it an be of help.
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>>94224098
Apart from newer ones, it seems to have a lot. I wonder what's missing from it though.
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>>94224138
Just looking at it P4 reincarnation is missing.
USHOST is missing.
The golden anime OST is missing.
Persona Q.
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>>94223323
I think I started doing this every thread around 1 year ago, was either Feb 2014 or March 2014.
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>>94224397
Are you proud or something?
Are you even posting here normally anymore or just shitposting out of a feeling of obligation?
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>>94224738
I think the more important question is not that, but why anon has not killed themselves yet.
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/pg/ is making fun of us
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>>94225541
So what? Why are you trying to start thread wars?
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>>94225541
They only ever do it when we're out of earshot because /pg/ is the upstart younger brother that knows /smtg/ would beat the shit out of them if they were heard being smart-asses.
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>>94224224
Let me upload PQ then, though I'm pretty sure /pg/ has a link to that, not even sure I should bother.
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>>94225718
We just have a link to nyaa, you should put up a DDL.
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>trying to find an angel in SMT3
>the internet tells me 3 different places where I can find them
>haven't seen them in any of these places

p-pls help /smtg/
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Well I was out grinding and getting to a decent level for the Matador battle in Nocturne, playing it safe and keeping hp bars topped of and a wild angel hit my main character with Hama so I lost a lot of progress. Well that's no good. Takes so long to get on level.
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>>94225972

They're all in and around Ginza
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>>94226057
Serves you fight for grinding, asshole.
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>>94225972
>>94226149

Honestly all I get is Jack Frost, Apsaras, Chattering Skull, That little fire one and the dudes that spawn with the chattering skulls

>>94226184

>not grinding for Matador
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>>94226212
>>94226149

I even went over the rainbow bridge and ended up fighting Power/Archangel combos but I can't recruit them at level 15
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>>94226184

I had to, I couldn't hit him.
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>>94226281

Try right around Harumi warehouse or walk around inside ginza mall. I'm fighting an angel right now, directly outside the warehouse entrance
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>>94226212
>being casual
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>>94226418

>got one straight away

cheers breh
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Break Record is out.
Do we have any spoilers yet for that epilogue?
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>>94227143
You are one slow slowpoke.
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Bored drawfriend here, post your most favorite demon and I'll draw them.

Other requests are also fine but they might take awhile.
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>>94227208
I haven't visited /smtg/ for weeks...
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>there is someone who thought Hama and Mudo were good ideas to add to games
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>>94227217
Pascal as a normal doggy
http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Pascal
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How long is SMT 2?
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>>94227217
Pisaca
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>>94227398
It will feel like forever.
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>>94227217
Aniel or Mother Harlot, please.
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>>94227217
Please. He has no fanart.
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>>94224224
>>94225793
Not even sure if this shit is right, it keeps bugging out, but here is a DL to Persona Q OST.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/m9lawt7h3xkfhs5/Persona+Q+OST.rar
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>>94228220
What Personas would the NWA have?
Alternatively, what would their alignment(s) be?
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Is only the SNES version of 2 translated?
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>>94228461
Yeah
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anyone got a clear render of walter's face?
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>>94228862
Is this clear enough?
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Wait a minute SMTG. We're going to play Persona?
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>>94229434
We're going to play Persona, and we're going to start with the best, which is 3
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>>94229467
When you do something, do it from the start!
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>>94228862
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>>94229434
>SMTG
I'm too autistic for this please stop triggering me. I've tried hard to not sperg out for however long you've been posting, but this is legitimately fucking with me anon.
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>>94229060
>>94229674
Post more chaos meme man.
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>>94229693
It's short for suck my Tatsuya gonads.

>>94229674
>OC of walter
Most lucky for me.
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oc
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>>94229693
You know that used to be the standard, right? You're sperging about it but there used to be a time where people would sperg if someone said "/smtg/" because it's an acronym, not a board name.
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>>94220776
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>>94231012
Why doesn't it loop?
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>>94230864
The issue for me is consistency in usage. If SMTG were used by the majority then I'd be fine with it. Since it isn't it triggers my autism. I know it's not a reasonable reaction.
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>>94231138
At least you know. Hopefully you'll be able to control yourself and not bother people with your brain problems most of the time.
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>>94231056
Loops normally here. Since it doesn't for you, have a slightly different substitute
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>>94230325
tfw no one comments on your oc
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>>94231605
I thought it was neat, Anon.
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>>94227217
Draw Jack Frost and Black frost as human girls.
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>>94231605
I don't get it anon.
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>>94231605
I know how you feel.
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Look at the situation they got me facin'
I can't live a Law life, I was raised by the streets
So I gotta be down with the demon team
Too much kagutsuchi watching got me chasing candelabras
I'm an educated Fiend with Macca on my mind
Got my Magatama in my hand and a gleam in my eye
I'm a loc'd out Fiend set trippin' banger
And my party is down so don't arouse my anger, fool
Death ain't nothing but a heartbeat away,
I'm living life, do or die, what can I say
I'm 123 now, but will I live to see 124
The way things are going I don't know

Tell me why are we so bind to see
That the ones we hurt are you and me

Been spending most their lives, living in the Mantra's paradise
Been spending most their lives, living in the Mantra's paradise
Keep spending most our lives, living in the Mantra's paradise
Keep spending most our lives, living in the Mantra's paradise

Power and the Macca, Macca and the power
kagutsuchi after kagutsuchi, hour after hour
Everybody's running, but half of them ain't looking
What's going on in ikebukuro, but I don't know what's cookin'
They say I gotta learn pierce, but nobody's here to teach me
If they can't understand japanese, how can they play me
I guess they can't, I guess they won't
I guess they front, that's why I know my stats is out of luck, fool

Been spending most their lives, living in the Mantra's paradise
Been spending most their lives, living in the Mantra's paradise
Keep spending most our lives, living in the Mantra's paradise
Keep spending most our lives, living in the Mantra's paradise

Tell me why are we so bind to see
That the one's we hurt are you and me
Tell me why are we so bind to see
That the one's we hurt are you and me
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Pixie > Lilim > Moh Shuvuu > Dryad > Lilith > Angel > Succubus
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>>94232326
Pretty good taste.
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>>94232326
>Lilim
She's worse than dryad.
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>>94232326
SJ Angel > The rest.
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>>94232634
Which one's that? The Devil Summoner no-panties one?
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>>94232326
Also, pixie ain't that good.
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>>94232748
Of course.
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>>94232795
She's objectively the best the best demonfu
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>>94232842
According to what? Your taste?
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>>94220658
Props for Megami Ibunroku Persona: Be Your True Mind OP, you my nigga
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>>94233392
FUCK OFF TRIPFAG
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Turning into Personas deconfirmed
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>>94235757
What the fuck is this?
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>>94235801
perusona
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Would a completely new player have a harder time playing Nocturne(or the other harder games), or MT1/2/SMT1/2?
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>>94236185
>those environments
I WANT TO BELIEVE
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>>94236185
>character portraits are obscured when they're sneaking around and out of combat
nice
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>>94236263
of those five, Nocturne is the easiest IMO, the old games need much more patience... and walkthroughs
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>>94236530
well that was what I was thinking, Nocturne can be more complex and difficult, but the first games have aged so poorly they're probably harder for someone with no experience on the series
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TELL ME ABOUT ARSENE, WHY DOES HE WEAR THE HAT
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>>94236632
because thats what thieves do in japan
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>>94236632
Great, now I'm gonna need a "tips top hat" picture.
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Based on the stories of a writer? Ok, this can work out.
>http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Arsène
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Leblanc
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What's with all the P5 shills lately?
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>>94236898
faggots trying to stifle actual game discussion like SJ with waifu bullshit they need to leave
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>>94236898
Fighting demons confirmed.

Red/Black everywhere. Seeking freedom.
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>>94236939
>New information about a MegaTen game
>Surprised when people coming to a MegaTen general want to talk about that info
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>>94236898
It's something new to talk about, calm your tits.
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>>94237017
New Persona isn't SMT you fucking newfag
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>>94237050
I said MegaTen, not SMT. Persona is very much MegaTen.
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>>94236987
>>94237017
>>94237036
Why even respond?
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>>94236185
>April 20th
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>>94237168
I don't know man, I just don't fucking know.
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>>94237109
And this is SMT general, fuck off
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>>94236898
I don't get the hype for it. Looks like the same old shit for edgy teens, maybe even worse.
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>>94237374
>Looks like the same old shit for edgy teens
Welcome to SMTG, how you doing kettle
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>>94237374
And SMT isn't?
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>>94237374
>Looks like the same old shit for edgy teens
You're saying this in the edgiest general around.
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>>94237357
>What is DDS and Devil Survivor
Are you intentionally retarded, or only accidentally?
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>>94237357
Guess we can't talk about DDS or DeSu now.
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>>94237428
>>94237435
>>94237475
Air is completely different.
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>>94237435
it doesn't have the same underage weeb bait.
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>>94237564
>>94237710
>>>/v/
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>>94237710
It panders to fujoshi instead of waifufags. Big deal. So long as people don't go into waifufaggotry it's fine.
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>>94237710
>it doesn't have the same underage weeb bait
You're hilarious, anon.
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>>94237821
That's not SMT.
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>>94237821
Much like Nintendo, it's okay when SMT does it
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>>94237847
What is SMT?
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>>94237881
Shin Megami Tensei.
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>>94237821
Not SMT.

You can say it is when Triangulum or Septentriones show up as demons/personas in other games and not as aliens.
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>>94237932
And Devil Summoner 1. And Demikids. And NINE.
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>>94236530
SMT1 and 2 are easier gameplay wise, but yeah the problem would be needing a guide to learn what the spells do since they don't really say it
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>>94237808
>>94237821
I'm talking about faggotry like Teddie, that cat, and emphasis on teen life.

I don't give a shit about nudity or whatever.
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Was the 'fake guns' thing a hoax? It's not mentioned in the scans at all.
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>>94237961
And Trading Card: Card Summoner.

It's time to d-d-d-duel toilet ghosts!
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>>94237941
What is this?
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>>94238206
>literally retarded
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>>94238206
An alien/human hybrid.

That's what happens when you have this ruling the universe.
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>>94238269
>>94237941
These look pretty rad.
Can you play the new story mode before finishing the main story? I wanna play DeSu2:BR without having to play through the main story again.
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>>94238384
Yes.
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>>94238384
Lurk more you stupid faggot.
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>>94235757
>>94236185
Where did you get those screens? Famitsu scans? Any translation of the interview?
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>>94238432
Check Gematsu
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>Hashino is choosing to remain quiet about why Personas are appearing as actual enemies and where the protagonist has his fights. There are reasons behind those details, though.
This enraged me.
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>>94238767
Most of the persona fanbase has no idea what demons are
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>>94238767
You've already posted about this before.
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>>94238828
I haven't been to /smtg/ for days, so I doubt whoever posted it before was me.
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>>94238767
Why? At best it's something cool, at worst it's irrelevant.
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>>94238767
>demons are back as enemies
>bitch because of wording
This is why Atlus never wants to pander to us
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>>94238943
>>94239013
No, no, I meant how they are surely not Personas but demons, but the reviewer didn't realize it.
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>>94238047
Jack Frost.
Frost Ace.
Deemonee-Ho.
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If you can't negotiate with demons it's not a real SMT game
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>>94239350
None of those are even remotely as bad or retarded.
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for me I can't take SMT seriously because of the hideous characters and art, so I don't have much interest. I wonder if they'll actually get Soejima to do the characters on the next SMT game
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>>94239439
Soejima lost his touch P4 and up
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>>94239439
Why are you even here? Go back to /pg/
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>>94239423
That's a matter of opinion. What you should have said is none of those are even as close to as prevalent.
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>>94239439
/smtg/ will never not take the bait
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>>94239545
Why are you even here? Shouldn't you be on reddit or something? Why are you taking bait this easily?

The fucker probably copy pasted a Youtube comment.
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>>94239596
That would go under "as bad".
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New cut-ins.
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>>94239814
how many times has this image been downloaded jesus christ the artifacting
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>>94239870
Got it from here.
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>Soul Hackers New Game+
>Damage taken from enemies is increased by 50%
>No fusion limit
Shit. Would this make the ultimate bosses easier or harder?
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>>94239983
>That hand gesture
Lelouch/Zero the persona.
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>Koharu's drawing of bunny
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>>94241012
Where are you guys getting all these screenshots?
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>>94241174
from japs in exchange for human smuggling.
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>>94241012
>One of her most treasured memories is her bottom landing on bunnys dick.
Geez Otome.
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>>94241979
>people actually expecting vaporware
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>>94241012
Is there a requirement to get these?
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>>94241979
2 years and a little less than a month ago, to be more accurate.
>>
>>94241979
>Expecting any news on a game that likely started production as soon as the trailer was made.

Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker showed more than that trailer did and people were stupid enough to believe it was cancelled, which will be the same with SMT x FE because you pitiful sons of man let your desires overcome reasoning.
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So why was so much Soul Hacker art pulled for IV?
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Wow, this is actually kind of better. Though it's the only example of such.
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>>94243850
I liked Minotaur and Dullahan, granted I don't think they had art past MT1/2
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>>94244074
Minotaur I can understand liking it, but I'm not a fan. Dullahan, I didn't like the neck part and the fact Tokisada is better kind of made me not care.
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>>94243850
It always looks like an anthropomorphic brain to me.

>>94244258
I like the way the artist designed the head to be more like a helmet with a human face.
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>>94244623
Yeah, and that's kind of why I like it better than just a tentacle brain.

Yeah, I got that, and like the idea, but the design just didn't work for me.
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>>94244721
At least they put more thought into those designs than say the Four Archangels.

>Let's put a bunch of robot eyes everywhere with human faces and scrapmetal.
>Look how terrifying ugly these things are!
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>>94244863
Raphael and maybe Michael are okay as "look at this art" in my opinion. They just have no place in the game, and really not much of a place as being angel art.

But yeah, a lot of the other designs certainly had more of a concept to them, like Minotaur for instance. Hell even Medusa had some decent concept work, but that fucking face...
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Why are people so autistic about Persona 5, a clear SMT game being posted on SMTG? Persona has and always will be accepted here.
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>>94245186
>this post
>complaining about autism
That's some intense irony, and I have no problem with P5 discussion. You really need to stop being so easy to spot.
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>>94245186
>SMTG
stop
>>
aeon genesis never finish his project
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>>94242020
Call me a retard in denial, but I'm convinced that they're delaying SMT x FE so that they can incorporate the characters from the new FE game.
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tfw smt if...... will never be transalated
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>>94245628
It was probably delayed for the same reason BR was delayed. SEGA acquisition causing problems.
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Persona 5 is SMTV since knives/guns are back, you fight demons and it's in Tokyo
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Re: Progress News ~ SMT if... - First of Three
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2015, 03:09:02 PM » by Gideon Zhi Devil Summoner
Quote from: AbyssKing222 on January 30, 2015, 09:26:07 PM
You have an idea when it'll get a release??? The suspense is killing me :(

Someone either didn't read the rules or willfully ignored them.

http://agtp.romhack.net/pantheon/index.php?topic=694.msg11611#new
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>>94246162
But guns aren't back, and those probably aren't demons.
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main smt game still not in english:
smt if
smt nine
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>>94246892
NINE is a better game than IV and nobody will ever play it to realize why
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>>94246935
Do you actually dislike IV or are you trying to be a hipster?

I actually think IV is a mediocre at best, overall lacking game. I'd still never claim NINE was better.
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>>94247082
NINE at least has the SMT spirit which IV completely lacks, it is a joke sellout game and should not be taken seriously

sorry if my English is poor I'm foreign
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>>94246892
Stop spamming, mentally ill piece of shit. End your worthless life.
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>>94245628
I'm convinced that they're delaying SMT x FE so that they can incorporate the demon models from P5.
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>The enemy icon from the Shin Megami Tensei Super Nintendo games appears at the top of screen during dances.

That's neat. I wonder what they're for.
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>>94247167
And NINE was only made because Microsoft wanted games for the Xbox in Nippon
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>>94247335
Some kind of combo meter, maybe.
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>>94247394
Still has more soul than IV, that game just doesn't feel right
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>>94247335
Not a waifufag, but that butt.
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>>94247564
What butt?
>>
I'm actually kind of excited for DAN since I like rhythm games and I like Meguro music. I wonder if they'll branch out of just Persona music with the DLC and do Nocturne or SMTIV stuff.

Mark DLC when? I want to have Mark and Black Mark dancing crazy together.

>>94247564

Yeah, that's quite a pose.
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>>94247289
This is also what I'm thinking.
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Is giten a main smt game?
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>>94248052
Question-kun please go.
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>>94247883
Oh wait, now that I look at it it's her front legs. Still, those hamstrings.
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>>94247894
Knowing Atlus, they won't.

Square Enix might not be the best company, but Theatrhythm Final Fantasy DLC has since stretched out to include songs from Legend of Mana, The World Ends with You, Chrono Trigger and various other Square franchises.

A shame that DAN will be wasting an opportunity like that.
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>>94247335
It kinda looks like her right leg is growing out of the back of her left.
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>>94247432
>The game has no soul

This is one of the most retarded complaints. You're basically saying "I don't like this game but I can't explain why"
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>>94248052
Yes, Giten still has the SMT heart and spirit even if it's clunky and untranslated, much better than newer games
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>>94248491
>Giten Megami Tensei: Tokyo Mokushiroku ( lit. False Reincarnation of the Goddess: Tokyo Revelation)
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When you guys will merge with /pg/?
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>>94248491
Is this a new meme
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